From *********.com
By Jason "J-Gon" Gonzalez

Former WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko spoke to *********.com yesterday from his training camp in the Poconos. "This is the fight where I will regain my stature," promised Wladimir. "Samuel Peter is a young and stong fighter. A very exciting fighter. I am excited to be fighting him. When we found out we were fighting him I was very happy." Regarding the perception that he has a suspect chin, Wladimir stated, "They're basing that on just two fights, the fight with Corey Sanders and Lamon Brewster. It was never a problem before up until those two fights." He also said he plans to continue training in the Poconos. "The Poconos is a perfect place for relaxation and the best place to get into the proper frame of mind for a big fight."

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Klitschko's trainer, Emanuel Steward said Wladimir has sparred about 120 rounds with fighters who are 6'3 or 6'4 between 230 and 240. "Wladimir has fought better opposition than Samuel Peter," commented Steward. "I remember vividly how he knocked out Charles Shufford with a short right hook, someone who Samuel Peter had trouble with. For someone with very long arms, his power is on the top of the punch, not on the end and he fights particularly well on the inside. It's not going to go the distance....the time is going to come that it's just going to be Wladimir and Vitali as the two best heavyweights." (Photo: Ed Mulholland)
Thursday, September 15 2005

Anyone knows where in Poconos he's training?

Anyone knows where in Poconos he's training?


dont; know

Call me a sackrider if you want, but I just cant say enough good things about the Klitschko brothers. They are intelligent, good natured gentlemen in a sport of loudmouthed thugs who speak about themselves in the third person.

I think both Wlad & Samuel deserve a lot of credit for fighting each other.

I knock the heavyweight divison any chance I get....but I can't knock this matchup. It's very intriguing. Could go a variety of ways.

Call me a sackrider if you want, but I just cant say enough good things about the Klitschko brothers. They are intelligent, good natured gentlemen in a sport of loudmouthed thugs who speak about themselves in the third person.


What the **** do you think this is? This is boxing, this isnt a ****in sport where you need to be humble, the objective is to destroy your opponent, not suck his **** in a sportsmanlike manner. You refer to "loudmouthed thugs who speak in a 3rd person manner", like i said, if your in the ring, and you dont believe your one of the best in the ring, then you dont need to be in that ring in the first place. This is a sport where you impose your physicial will on someone else. I could easily turn this in a race issue, since 99 percent of these "loudmouthed thugs speaking in 3rd person" are black. But to keep it civil, ill just tell you that the these guys are good for the sport in offering a contrast in personality, on the other hand, being the good gentleman that they are has earned them hardly any fans in america.


Inactivity from the older brother as well as blatntly ducking Hasim Rahman, a man he should be able to beat rather easily. And then a unique display of lack of heart from the younger brother. These guys are not the truth in the HW division.

What the **** do you think this is? This is boxing, this isnt a ****in sport where you need to be humble, the objective is to destroy your opponent, not suck his **** in a sportsmanlike manner. You refer to "loudmouthed thugs who speak in a 3rd person manner", like i said, if your in the ring, and you dont believe your one of the best in the ring, then you dont need to be in that ring in the first place. This is a sport where you impose your physicial will on someone else. I could easily turn this in a race issue, since 99 percent of these "loudmouthed thugs speaking in 3rd person" are black. But to keep it civil, ill just tell you that the these guys are good for the sport in offering a contrast in personality, on the other hand, being the good gentleman that they are has earned them hardly any fans in america.


Inactivity from the older brother as well as blatntly ducking Hasim Rahman, a man he should be able to beat rather easily. And then a unique display of lack of heart from the younger brother. These guys are not the truth in the HW division.
your name gives you away dude. keep up the hate as long as it keeps you warm

your name gives you away dude. keep up the hate as long as it keeps you warm


i dont hate them, i said theyre personalities are good for the sport, but when you attack these loudmouthed thugs whom i actually like, then i have to say something. I accept all fighters and all personalities, i dont need my boxer to behave a certain way outside the ring, from wife beaters, to charity donors, a fighter to me is judged by his performance in the ring.

Who you guys think HBO will nuthug? Pete or Wlad? LOL. Maybe they'll diss ta shyt outa Pete cuz he reppin fo Showtime. Interesting.

note to everyone: Don't listen to HBO commentation!

I dont mind HBO commentation. I like Merchant, Lampley can be a bit gay sometimes, but I loved when Roy commentated. Always states the right things, and he never goes back on his word.

I dont mind HBO commentation. I like Merchant, Lampley can be a bit gay sometimes, but I loved when Roy commentated. Always states the right things, and he never goes back on his word.

Lampley is gay errrrtime man. LOL.

Roy is ight. Merchant is ta funniest outa em.


Lampley's observation ****in sucks. When sumone lands a right hand, he'll say "What a perfect jab from Cotto". When sumone lands straight right, he goes " He jest staggered him wit a left hook". WTF is wrong wit that doo? lol!

I dont like them. Theyre nothing but cable tv hypes. I mean Wlad hasnt looked good in four years and hes still on cable tv. Beyond me totally. Vitali is fighting cupcakes since he got the title and he gets his own PPV. Both can thank the cable TV industry for their air time cause nobody likes them here as evident by the abhorrent PPV sales of the Vitali fight.

Meanwhile, Mosley looses twice to a very good fighter in Forrest and hes on ESPN PPV. Something aint right.
Call me a sackrider if you want, but I just cant say enough good things about the Klitschko brothers. They are intelligent, good natured gentlemen in a sport of loudmouthed thugs who speak about themselves in the third person.

I dont mind HBO commentary. I can't stand the Showtime commentary though, that ****'s just BRUTAL!

Wlad is an animal when it comes to the gym. He aint going to get "overtrained" and even if he does, he's an elite athlete. You think elite athletes can't cope, and have no stamina? Pleeeease.

I think both Wlad & Samuel deserve a lot of credit for fighting each other.

I knock the heavyweight divison any chance I get....but I can't knock this matchup. It's very intriguing. Could go a variety of ways.

Wlad took this fight because Manny believes Peter is green and beating Peter will lead directly to a Chris Byrd title fight. Wlad has NO business fighting the much smaller Byrd but like all balls-less people hes going the easiest route to the top. Thats why I hope Wlad gets KOd and it serves as the nail in the coffin. They broadcasts are lowly rated and the PPV Vitali did didnt even get 50,000 buys. They lost money. If they were subjected to the laws of supply and demand like every other fighter, we wouldnt be seeing them. But they have friends at HBO and Showtime so we see them fight unfortunately.

Im not looking for a good samaritan, Im looking for a good boxer who wants to fight the best. This aint the Klitsckos by any stretch of the imagination.

Like Greg Leon says, Vitalis biggest win is his loss to Lewis. Sad.
your name gives you away dude. keep up the hate as long as it keeps you warm

HBO wont nuthug Peter, hes a showtime fighter.
Who you guys think HBO will nuthug? Pete or Wlad? LOL. Maybe they'll diss ta shyt outa Pete cuz he reppin fo Showtime. Interesting.

note to everyone: Don't listen to HBO commentation!

This Wlad "overtraining" talk sounds like a ready made excuse to me.

When Wlad gets KOd his friends at the cable channels will propell that lie.

This Wlad "overtraining" talk sounds like a ready made excuse to me.


you got Nautilus to thank fo that. LOL.

What the **** do you think this is? This is boxing, this isnt a ****in sport where you need to be humble, the objective is to destroy your opponent, not suck his **** in a sportsmanlike manner. You refer to "loudmouthed thugs who speak in a 3rd person manner", like i said, if your in the ring, and you dont believe your one of the best in the ring, then you dont need to be in that ring in the first place. This is a sport where you impose your physicial will on someone else. I could easily turn this in a race issue, since 99 percent of these "loudmouthed thugs speaking in 3rd person" are black. But to keep it civil, ill just tell you that the these guys are good for the sport in offering a contrast in personality, on the other hand, being the good gentleman that they are has earned them hardly any fans in america.


Inactivity from the older brother as well as blatntly ducking Hasim Rahman, a man he should be able to beat rather easily. And then a unique display of lack of heart from the younger brother. These guys are not the truth in the HW division.

Wow. With so much ignorance and hostility in that post, I can only assume I have somehow offended you. Either that or you are looking for a little e-fight.

Good.

I appreciate your ahem..attempt.. at keeping it civil. Perhaps the next time you try, you'll be successful. You certainly weren't this time.

There are so many things wrong with your frame of mind (that I fear can only be treated with a few choice psycho-therapeutic meds) I really dont know where to start tearing your post apart. So I'll just start from the beginning.


"What the **** do you think this is?"

Ah, intelligent thought, right from the start.

"This is boxing, this isnt a ****in sport where you need to be humble, the objective is to destroy your opponent"

You're correct, certainly you should not be humble...in the ring. You should be a cold and calculating hunter who looks for the chance to put down the opposition with extreme prejudice at the slightest opportunity. But Im not talking about how one boxes. Im talking about an individual being classy. Im talking about being a gentleman who doesn't have to bad-mouth someone at press conferences and act like a moron to try to get attention. Im talking about someone who prefers to let their fists do the talking inside the ring.

"if your in the ring, and you dont believe your one of the best in the ring, then you dont need to be in that ring in the first place"

Again, I completely agree. But if I understand you correctly, you are implying that one must behave like a twelve year old child in order to instill that belief in themselves. Because you apparently equate that kind of attitude and behaviour with believing in yourself. Im curious, do you act this way yourself? Is your speech laden with profanities and do you speak in the third person? If you say yes, I cant say that I would be surprised. As most people know, heavy use of profanity is a good indicator of a poor intellect. Too bad. Maybe you could try reading a book?

"I could easily turn this in a race issue, since 99 percent of these "loudmouthed thugs speaking in 3rd person" are black"

First, Im sure you are exactly the kind of person who loves to play the race card every chance they get. The fact that you even mention race tells me, and everyone else who reads this post that you are that type of person. My comment was about behaviour and not once did I mention race.

And secondly, in regards to you saying that "99 percent of these "loudmouthed thugs speaking in 3rd person" are black" well, you said it, not me. You must be so proud of that.

" on the other hand, being the good gentleman that they are has earned them hardly any fans in america."

Well, I guess you must be a boxing statistician to be able to say that. I for one, am not a statistician, so I have to draw from what I have seen and read on the net and in various boxing publications that I read from time to time. And from what I have read, the Klitschkos are more popular now than they have ever been. In fact, judging by the volume of positive things I read about them, I can only assume that their american fanbase is quite large, and continually growing.

"Inactivity from the older brother as well as blatntly ducking Hasim Rahman, a man he should be able to beat rather easily."

First, basic grammar, chief. That is a fragment sentence. But anyway...how exactly has he been ducking Rachman? As I understand it, Vitali has had back surgery recently, and as most human beings do, he requires time to heal and recuperate. Do you think he's an ultra-fast healer who doesnt need the normal recuperative time a normal human would? If you think that, your just as stupid as you make yourself out to be. Or do you believe that he never had surgery in the first place and was just lying about it? If so, I assume you have some proof of this? Perhaps something you can share with the rest of us? Something besides an uninformed, hate laden opinion? I'd love to see any tangible proof you might have.

"unique display of lack of heart from the younger brother"

Exactly what display are you referring to? You mean the time he was getting kd'd repeatedly by Sanders and kept getting up to fight on until the ref stopped it? Oh yea, that's a real show of cowardice. Seems to me that someone with a lack of heart would have just lain there and not gotten up. Funny, I dont recall Wlad doing that. Maybe you can show me.

Maybe youre talking about the Brewster fight, where he fought on as hard as he could until he was too exhausted to defend himself. Lack of hear there? No. Lack of experience, maybe, but lack of heart? How exactly?

"These guys are not the truth in the HW division"

No, thank god, they are not. They have risen above the stature of most of the HW out there. Now dont get me wrong, there are other classy gentlemen boxers out there like the Klitschkos, but we're not discussing them for this thread's purposes.

I will futiley await your intelligent, articulate reply.

Damn dude, get off Wlad and Vitali the Frankenstein brother's nuts.

Lampley is gay errrrtime man. LOL.

Roy is ight. Merchant is ta funniest outa em.


Lampley's observation ****in sucks. When sumone lands a right hand, he'll say "What a perfect jab from Cotto". When sumone lands straight right, he goes " He jest staggered him wit a left hook". WTF is wrong wit that doo? lol!

Do you speak english?

Im not looking for a good samaritan, Im looking for a good boxer who wants to fight the best. This aint the Klitsckos by any stretch of the imagination.

Like Greg Leon says, Vitalis biggest win is his loss to Lewis. Sad.
you like boxers who wanna fightt the best? is this sam peter? LOL

Damn dude, get off Wlad and Vitali the Frankenstein brother's nuts.
lmao. another intelligent classy poster. go back to your crackhouse

Wow. With so much ignorance and hostility in that post, I can only assume I have somehow offended you. Either that or you are looking for a little e-fight.

Good.

I appreciate your ahem..attempt.. at keeping it civil. Perhaps the next time you try, you'll be successful. You certainly weren't this time.

There are so many things wrong with your frame of mind (that I fear can only be treated with a few choice psycho-therapeutic meds) I really dont know where to start tearing your post apart. So I'll just start from the beginning.


"What the **** do you think this is?"

Ah, intelligent thought, right from the start.

"This is boxing, this isnt a ****in sport where you need to be humble, the objective is to destroy your opponent"

You're correct, certainly you should not be humble...in the ring. You should be a cold and calculating hunter who looks for the chance to put down the opposition with extreme prejudice at the slightest opportunity. But Im not talking about how one boxes. Im talking about an individual being classy. Im talking about being a gentleman who doesn't have to bad-mouth someone at press conferences and act like a moron to try to get attention. Im talking about someone who prefers to let their fists do the talking inside the ring.

"if your in the ring, and you dont believe your one of the best in the ring, then you dont need to be in that ring in the first place"

Again, I completely agree. But if I understand you correctly, you are implying that one must behave like a twelve year old child in order to instill that belief in themselves. Because you apparently equate that kind of attitude and behaviour with believing in yourself. Im curious, do you act this way yourself? Is your speech laden with profanities and do you speak in the third person? If you say yes, I cant say that I would be surprised. As most people know, heavy use of profanity is a good indicator of a poor intellect. Too bad. Maybe you could try reading a book?

"I could easily turn this in a race issue, since 99 percent of these "loudmouthed thugs speaking in 3rd person" are black"

First, Im sure you are exactly the kind of person who loves to play the race card every chance they get. The fact that you even mention race tells me, and everyone else who reads this post that you are that type of person. My comment was about behaviour and not once did I mention race.

And secondly, in regards to you saying that "99 percent of these "loudmouthed thugs speaking in 3rd person" are black" well, you said it, not me. You must be so proud of that.

" on the other hand, being the good gentleman that they are has earned them hardly any fans in america."

Well, I guess you must be a boxing statistician to be able to say that. I for one, am not a statistician, so I have to draw from what I have seen and read on the net and in various boxing publications that I read from time to time. And from what I have read, the Klitschkos are more popular now than they have ever been. In fact, judging by the volume of positive things I read about them, I can only assume that their american fanbase is quite large, and continually growing.

"Inactivity from the older brother as well as blatntly ducking Hasim Rahman, a man he should be able to beat rather easily."

First, basic grammar, chief. That is a fragment sentence. But anyway...how exactly has he been ducking Rachman? As I understand it, Vitali has had back surgery recently, and as most human beings do, he requires time to heal and recuperate. Do you think he's an ultra-fast healer who doesnt need the normal recuperative time a normal human would? If you think that, your just as stupid as you make yourself out to be. Or do you believe that he never had surgery in the first place and was just lying about it? If so, I assume you have some proof of this? Perhaps something you can share with the rest of us? Something besides an uninformed, hate laden opinion? I'd love to see any tangible proof you might have.

"unique display of lack of heart from the younger brother"

Exactly what display are you referring to? You mean the time he was getting kd'd repeatedly by Sanders and kept getting up to fight on until the ref stopped it? Oh yea, that's a real show of cowardice. Seems to me that someone with a lack of heart would have just lain there and not gotten up. Funny, I dont recall Wlad doing that. Maybe you can show me.

Maybe youre talking about the Brewster fight, where he fought on as hard as he could until he was too exhausted to defend himself. Lack of hear there? No. Lack of experience, maybe, but lack of heart? How exactly?

"These guys are not the truth in the HW division"

No, thank god, they are not. They have risen above the stature of most of the HW out there. Now dont get me wrong, there are other classy gentlemen boxers out there like the Klitschkos, but we're not discussing them for this thread's purposes.

I will futiley await your intelligent, articulate reply.
All that work?

Hardly worth ANY effort

Wow. With so much ignorance and hostility in that post, I can only assume I have somehow offended you. Either that or you are looking for a little e-fight.

Good.

I appreciate your ahem..attempt.. at keeping it civil. Perhaps the next time you try, you'll be successful. You certainly weren't this time.

There are so many things wrong with your frame of mind (that I fear can only be treated with a few choice psycho-therapeutic meds) I really dont know where to start tearing your post apart. So I'll just start from the beginning.

i know your tryin to be ****in witty, and insulting, but i didnt insult you, so its unwarranted, nobody is looking for any fight, which is why i said id keep it civil, and i plan on keepin it that.







You're correct, certainly you should not be humble...in the ring. You should be a cold and calculating hunter who looks for the chance to put down the opposition with extreme prejudice at the slightest opportunity. But Im not talking about how one boxes. Im talking about an individual being classy. Im talking about being a gentleman who doesn't have to bad-mouth someone at press conferences and act like a moron to try to get attention. Im talking about someone who prefers to let their fists do the talking inside the ring.


Doing that kind of **** sells fights, something your boys couldnt do unless they are in the ring with someone whos already a big name. They are good people, but they lack personality, you can get away with that **** when you look spectacular and consistent in the ring, which neither of them are in my opinion.



Again, I completely agree. But if I understand you correctly, you are implying that one must behave like a twelve year old child in order to instill that belief in themselves. Because you apparently equate that kind of attitude and behaviour with believing in yourself. Im curious, do you act this way yourself? Is your speech laden with profanities and do you speak in the third person? If you say yes, I cant say that I would be surprised. As most people know, heavy use of profanity is a good indicator of a poor intellect. Too bad. Maybe you could try reading a book?

This is exactly the way i talk in real life, im not gonna sit there and pretend like i speak like ****in dan rather to impress you. Read what im saying, dont try to attack my intellect based on me cursing alot, im free to speak how i feel comfortable, and this is how i speak, deal with it. Nobody is making you talk to me, you can have me on ignore if its that much of an issue. Im not gonna go into a dick measuring contest on how much education i have because that doesnt mean ****, im here to talk boxing.


First, Im sure you are exactly the kind of person who loves to play the race card every chance they get. The fact that you even mention race tells me, and everyone else who reads this post that you are that type of person. My comment was about behaviour and not once did I mention race.

And secondly, in regards to you saying that "99 percent of these "loudmouthed thugs speaking in 3rd person" are black" well, you said it, not me. You must be so proud of that.[/quote

Yes, i am proud of people who talk **** and back it up, its apart of the build up of a fight, its apart of what seperates a Wlad from a James Toney. Its what seperates a Hatton from a Mayweather. These are seperate personalities, and when they clash, its intresting because there is some kind of build up to a fight, it brings anticipation, frankly, nobody wants to see 2 ****in humble gentlemen go at it.

If you dont like loud black folks, then thats on you, and im playing the race card because its ****in true, we talk the loudest. And i am proud of that, because black fighters are some of the most respected on the planet. Think what you want, very few humble fighters stand at the top of the fight game.

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Well, I guess you must be a boxing statistician to be able to say that. I for one, am not a statistician, so I have to draw from what I have seen and read on the net and in various boxing publications that I read from time to time. And from what I have read, the Klitschkos are more popular now than they have ever been. In fact, judging by the volume of positive things I read about them, I can only assume that their american fanbase is quite large, and continually growing.

They arent **** here, and the PPV that Vitali had speaks volumes, im not even gonna argue that **** because i live here, and i know its true.



First, basic grammar, chief. That is a fragment sentence. But anyway...how exactly has he been ducking Rachman? As I understand it, Vitali has had back surgery recently, and as most human beings do, he requires time to heal and recuperate. Do you think he's an ultra-fast healer who doesnt need the normal recuperative time a normal human would? If you think that, your just as stupid as you make yourself out to be. Or do you believe that he never had surgery in the first place and was just lying about it? If so, I assume you have some proof of this? Perhaps something you can share with the rest of us? Something besides an uninformed, hate laden opinion? I'd love to see any tangible proof you might have.

Attacking my grammar is ****in retarded, were speakin english, but were not in an english class, as long as you can read and understand what im sayin, get the **** off that **** please. He ducked Rahman by attempting to get another opponent, rather than taking on his mandatory, trying to get a lesser opponent (Brock and another European whos name escapes me) rather than Rahman was viewed as ducking by most other boxing anaylsys, including Ring mag. I didint say he didint have no surgery, your on the wrong track, hes inactive, even if its due to injury, hes inactive, period.


Exactly what display are you referring to? You mean the time he was getting kd'd repeatedly by Sanders and kept getting up to fight on until the ref stopped it? Oh yea, that's a real show of cowardice. Seems to me that someone with a lack of heart would have just lain there and not gotten up. Funny, I dont recall Wlad doing that. Maybe you can show me.

Maybe youre talking about the Brewster fight, where he fought on as hard as he could until he was too exhausted to defend himself. Lack of hear there? No. Lack of experience, maybe, but lack of heart? How exactly?

Hes heartless to me because he can overcome hardship during a fight, tiring out and getting rattled isnt ****in heart. Even my favorite fighter ever Mike Tyson had this same problem, of course Tyson is 20x times the fighter Wlad was in his prime (85-91), its still evident that Tyson lacked heart to overcome things when they got hard. Its the same with Wlad, Experiance my ass, Wlad had how many fights before Sanders and Brewster? Thats a line of ****.


No, thank god, they are not. They have risen above the stature of most of the HW out there. Now dont get me wrong, there are other classy gentlemen boxers out there like the Klitschkos, but we're not discussing them for this thread's purposes.

I will futiley await your intelligent, articulate reply.


One thing i will say is that attacking me and the way i speak is the wrong route, the insults i made were strictly to do with boxing and the fighters in question. You think somehow your smarter or more intelligent than me because of grammar errors? You got the game sewn all wrong, the mark of intelligence isnt measured on internet arguing, but how you can construct a legit argument with legit points and stayin on the subject, or in this case, it was a matter of my opinion on yours. I dont have no desire to attack your character, or try to lay you down with petty insults, i stay on the subject. If i think what you have to say is bull****, then ill tell you, but im not gonna sit here and attack your intelligence or who you are because of the **** that you say like your tryin to do me. I told you i keep it civil and on topic, and if you wanna maintain the integrity of the topic, which is about Wlad, then ****in stay on topic and get the **** off me please. If you disagree with my opinion, thats fine, argue that ****, but dont even try to ****in attack me, because this thread will be torn apart and that aint how i do it.

Wlad looks mean in the photo. Wlad the philosopher is gone. Wlad the fighter is back.

Wlad looks mean in the photo. Wlad the philosopher is gone. Wlad the fighter is back.


Too bad we can't see into his mind, which is that of a tortured fighter.

Too bad we can't see into his mind, which is that of a tortured fighter.

that's true, we can't read his mind; but the in the photo he seems mean, lean, and hungry

In my opinion the Klitschkos don't lack personality at all. You don't have to be rude and crude to have "personality". They are smart doctors with PhD's and they speak many languages. To me, that is interesting.

Roy Jones didn't diss his opponents, which is why I liked him. Everyone tried to diss him but he didn't get into that. To me, that's class. He talked himself up instead of talking others down.

People like FMJ just annoy the hell out of me with their fakeness and trash-talking. I don't like the way he, Toney, or Mayorga talk but I like to watch them all fight for sure.

Wlad looks mean in the photo. Wlad the philosopher is gone. Wlad the fighter is back.


<img src=http://www.*********.com/klitschko_poconos2.jpg>

LOL!

This looks mean to you? :rolleyes:

That's almost as funny as you creating 3 more threads about this.

<img src=http://www.*********.com/klitschko_poconos2.jpg>

LOL!

This looks mean to you? :rolleyes:

That's almost as funny as you creating 3 more threads about this.


What is up, Rolleyes?


The next thread is going to be about whether Wlad looks heavier than he did in his previous fights. (Of course, the thread will also be based on this photo.)

I'm with Bozo on this one. If that looks mean to you, then you must **** your pants when a good fighter stands in that pose like he's on a ****ing nature walk.

Wlad took this fight because Manny believes Peter is green and beating Peter will lead directly to a Chris Byrd title fight. Wlad has NO business fighting the much smaller Byrd but like all balls-less people hes going the easiest route to the top.


this is funny, by fighting peter wlad is taking the easy way...
:rolleyes:

like i always say, the haters are just as illogical as the nut huggers

this is funny, by fighting peter wlad is taking the easy way...
:rolleyes:

like i always say, the haters are just as illogical as the nut huggers


fighting sam peter is a ****ing nightmare for Wlad, anyone who thinks this is gonna be an easy fight has to be out of their ****in mind.

fighting sam peter is a ****ing nightmare for Wlad, anyone who thinks this is gonna be an easy fight has to be out of their ****in mind.


i agree, peter is about the worse type of guy for wlad to fight... if he beats peter, he deserves a title shot...

I'm with Bozo on this one. If that looks mean to you, then you must **** your pants when a good fighter stands in that pose like he's on a ****ing nature walk.


and you do not have a sense of humor, do you?

and you do not have a sense of humor, do you?

I'll take that to mean you meant your post in sarcasm. And I'll respond quite simply: With you Klitschko lovers it's hard to tell when you're actually joking when stroking their testicles or atually mean it.

I'll take that to mean you meant your post in sarcasm. And I'll respond quite simply: With you Klitschko lovers it's hard to tell when you're actually joking when stroking their testicles or atually mean it.


Gomos...

no sarcasm was meant ...

Wlad does look like having fun preparing for the fight

Wlad took this fight because Manny believes Peter is green and beating Peter will lead directly to a Chris Byrd title fight. Wlad has NO business fighting the much smaller Byrd but like all balls-less people hes going the easiest route to the top. Thats why I hope Wlad gets KOd and it serves as the nail in the coffin. They broadcasts are lowly rated and the PPV Vitali did didnt even get 50,000 buys. They lost money. If they were subjected to the laws of supply and demand like every other fighter, we wouldnt be seeing them. But they have friends at HBO and Showtime so we see them fight unfortunately.

Fighting Peter is the easiest rout to the top? Am I missing something, but didn't Wlad state that he wanted Brewster over Byrd in the steakhouse interview? And if you don't know your numbers dont list them. Vitali vs Williams had 125,000 buys. Your thinking of Don King's fighters which all have to be on the same card in order to sell 75,000 buys.

Fighting Peter is the easiest rout to the top? Am I missing something, but didn't Wlad state that he wanted Brewster over Byrd in the steakhouse interview? And if you don't know your numbers dont list them. Vitali vs Williams had 125,000 buys. Your thinking of Don King's fighters which all have to be on the same card in order to sell 75,000 buys.


pay per view numbers i read from espn.com were much lower than that.

Inactivity from the older brother as well as blatntly ducking Hasim Rahman, a man he should be able to beat rather easily. And then a unique display of lack of heart from the younger brother. These guys are not the truth in the HW division.


obviously this may be a race issue with you anyways since you are exaggerating on both points to intentionally make them sound bad. hmmmmmm black jesus, i wonder if maybe youre black?

steward is right, the time has come for the klitschkos to rule the heavyweight division. when theyre on top and continue to be hated it will show the true reason why a lot of people dislike them.

obviously this may be a race issue with you anyways since you are exaggerating on both points to intentionally make them sound bad. hmmmmmm black jesus, i wonder if maybe youre black?

steward is right, the time has come for the klitschkos to rule the heavyweight division. when theyre on top and continue to be hated it will show the true reason why a lot of people dislike them.


Im half black half white. When you say something along the lines of what was said, it can turn into a defensive race issue, but i know i shouldnt turn it into that, and i finished saying what i had to say in my last reply, but i wasnt going to walk away without saying something.

The younger brother will never be at the top of the heavyweight division because i firmly think he just cannot take a big punch period. The older brother can do that, i would stake my stock in him in the longshot of either of them ruling the HW division.

I dont like them. Theyre nothing but cable tv hypes. I mean Wlad hasnt looked good in four years and hes still on cable tv. Beyond me totally. Vitali is fighting cupcakes since he got the title and he gets his own PPV. Both can thank the cable TV industry for their air time cause nobody likes them here as evident by the abhorrent PPV sales of the Vitali fight.

Meanwhile, Mosley looses twice to a very good fighter in Forrest and hes on ESPN PPV. Something aint right.


if youre saying mosley should be on pay per view ahead of vitali cause he lost twice and vitali hasnt been knocking out the don king guys who wont fight him, then you are truly a retard.

vitali may not lose for years, much less to the same guy twice

everything you say is pretty much bull**** from what i can tell.

the arizona cardinals suck. klitschkos rule.

"i know your tryin to be ****in witty, and insulting, but i didnt insult you, so its unwarranted, nobody is looking for any fight, which is why i said id keep it civil, and i plan on keepin it that."

You're right. My bad.

"Doing that kind of **** sells fights"

Not to me it doesn't. All it does is prove that the loudmouth is a dumbass.

"something your boys couldnt do unless they are in the ring with someone whos already a big name. They are good people, but they lack personality, you can get away with that **** when you look spectacular and consistent in the ring, which neither of them are in my opinion"

I understand that's your opinion, and I can respect that. But you're wrong. The Klitschkos are far more popular than you think. They themselves ARE the big names that the other heavies keep calling out. That wouldn't be happening if doing so wouldnt glorify one's career.

"This is exactly the way i talk in real life"

For god's sake, why? Why in the hell would an intelligent individual, which you clearly are, purposefully speak like an idiot? I just can't understand that.

"Yes, i am proud of people who talk **** and back it up, its apart of the build up of a fight, its apart of what seperates a Wlad from a James Toney. Its what seperates a Hatton from a Mayweather. These are seperate personalities, and when they clash, its intresting because there is some kind of build up to a fight, it brings anticipation, frankly, nobody wants to see 2 ****in humble gentlemen go at it."

Sorry, wrong again. I dont watch a fight because of the prefight insult slinging. I watch a fight because of the quality of each fighter. I could give a **** less about what goes on in the press conference.

And secondly, if I understand what you're saying, this behaviour is just all part of the show, and that these people dont act this way in real life. Is that what you're saying? If so, I can see the reason for acting that way on someone's part in the interest of generating interest in the fight. But a real fight fan, like you and I, will watch the fight regardless.

"If you dont like loud black folksm then thats on you, and im playing the race card because its ****in true, we talk the loudest. And i am proud of that"

Why? What possible reason could you have for "talking loud"? What purpose could it possibly serve? Do you do it to try to make yourself sound/look tough? If so, it doesnt work. Do you do it to draw attention to yourself? If so, that's something a child would do, not a grown man. Only a child or a childish person talks loudly just to get attention. In my opinion, being proud of the idiotic things that your race does is just absolutely assinine. I'm a guy who's 6'6" and about 335lbs and powerlifts. So logic would dictate that I could pretty much pummel anyone out there. But I dont go around yelling about how tough I am and trying to sell my insecurities to others as toughness. I just go about my way, and leave you to your business. See, that's being a grown, mature man. Not a child who basically yells "Look At Me!" by being obnoxious.

"They arent **** here, and the PPV that Vitali had speaks volumes, im not even gonna argue that **** because i live here, and i know its true."

Apparently, you dont. Did it ever occur to you that maybe that poor PPV showing was more to do with people not knowing who Williams was rather than not being interested in seeing Vitali fight? Vitali is an exciting fighter. The Kirk Johnson fight never gets old. I loved it. Vitali makes every fight he's in exciting. Hell, he kayo's almost everryone he gets into the ring with. Its wrong of you to blame the PPV sales on Vitali.


"He ducked Rahman by attempting to get another opponent, rather than taking on his mandatory, trying to get a lesser opponent (Brock and another European whos name escapes me) rather than Rahman was viewed as ducking by most other boxing anaylsys, including Ring mag."

I honestly dont recall him doing that. But if you can get a link or something, I'll stand corrected.

"I didint say he didint have no surgery, your on the wrong track, hes inactive, even if its due to injury, hes inactive, period."

Yes, this is true.

"Hes heartless to me because he can overcome hardship during a fight"

Well if he can, then what's heartless about that?

wlad looks in honsty tremendous condition, he looks focused... this fight gona be huge

Too bad we can't see into his mind, which is that of a tortured fighter.


How do you know what he's thinking?

Kids, Kids

Settle Down!!!

pay per view numbers i read from espn.com were much lower than that.

I got my source from *********.com

fighting sam peter is a ****ing nightmare for Wlad, anyone who thinks this is gonna be an easy fight has to be out of their ****in mind.


Definitely. Both fighters had damn well better be focused or it's lights out.

Sam Peter is 24 and barely starting. Wlad is trying to fight Peter which says how small his balls are. Theyre prolly the size of raisins.
you like boxers who wanna fightt the best? is this sam peter? LOL

Hitman, you re a dumbass and when Wlad is KOd hopefully people like you will go away and stop supporting cable hyped fighters.
if youre saying mosley should be on pay per view ahead of vitali cause he lost twice and vitali hasnt been knocking out the don king guys who wont fight him, then you are truly a retard.

vitali may not lose for years, much less to the same guy twice

everything you say is pretty much bull**** from what i can tell.

the arizona cardinals suck. klitschkos rule.

Sam Peter is 24 and barely starting. Wlad is trying to fight Peter which says how small his balls are. Theyre prolly the size of raisins.


So, are you now saying that Wlad is trying to pick on a lesser fighter? Is this an excuse in the making? :confused:

Yep, thats exactly what Im saying. And whats funny is that the very green Peter is still going to KO Wlad. Wlad is purely a cable tv hyped fighter. And he will be exposed like other hyped fighters in Gatti and Ouma.

PS: Hopefully cable tv execs dont pull do a Gatti on Wlad and give his career 9 lives.
So, are you now saying that Wlad is trying to pick on a lesser fighter? Is this an excuse in the making? :confused:

Sam Peter is 24 and barely starting. Wlad is trying to fight Peter which says how small his balls are. Theyre prolly the size of raisins.Man.... don't mean it to sound insulting, but you're an idiot.

Wlad's always been trying to nail big fights.. problem is when he had the wbo, he was having the same problem Vitali is having now: DKP does not want to put a Klitschko in front of other title holders.

After he lost the title, none of the top 10 fighters are giving him a chance... As everyone is saying... "A fight with Wlad is High Risk, Low Reward"

How can he have no balls when other people are avoiding him?
And have you forgot that he is an underdog for the Peter fight?

Yep, thats exactly what Im saying. And whats funny is that the very green Peter is still going to KO Wlad. Wlad is purely a cable tv hyped fighter. And he will be exposed like other hyped fighters in Gatti and Ouma.


We will see.

Dumbass... HOW THE **** IS IT A BIG FIGHT WHEN PETERS HASN'T BEATEN ONE RANKED FIGHTER. ANSWER THAT?
Man.... don't mean it to sound insulting, but you're an idiot.

Wlad's been always trying to nail big fights.. problem is when he had the wbo, he had the same problem Vitali is having.. DKP does not want to put him in fron of other title holders.

After he lost the title, none of the top 10 fighters were giving him a chance... As everyone was saying... "A fight with Wlad is High Risk, Low Reward"

How does he not have balls when other people are avoiding him?
and he is going in as an underdog for the Peter fight

From *********.com
By Jason "J-Gon" Gonzalez

Former WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko spoke to *********.com yesterday from his training camp in the Poconos. "This is the fight where I will regain my stature," promised Wladimir. "Samuel Peter is a young and stong fighter. A very exciting fighter. I am excited to be fighting him. When we found out we were fighting him I was very happy." Regarding the perception that he has a suspect chin, Wladimir stated, "They're basing that on just two fights, the fight with Corey Sanders and Lamon Brewster. It was never a problem before up until those two fights." He also said he plans to continue training in the Poconos. "The Poconos is a perfect place for relaxation and the best place to get into the proper frame of mind for a big fight."

http://www.*********.com/klitschko_poconos2.jpg

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Klitschko's trainer, Emanuel Steward said Wladimir has sparred about 120 rounds with fighters who are 6'3 or 6'4 between 230 and 240. "Wladimir has fought better opposition than Samuel Peter," commented Steward. "I remember vividly how he knocked out Charles Shufford with a short right hook, someone who Samuel Peter had trouble with. For someone with very long arms, his power is on the top of the punch, not on the end and he fights particularly well on the inside. It's not going to go the distance....the time is going to come that it's just going to be Wladimir and Vitali as the two best heavyweights." (Photo: Ed Mulholland)
Thursday, September 15 2005





wlad is gonna kick some ass alright.
hes gonna kick his own ass in disappointment
after he gets knocked out silly by Sam Peter.

PS: Hopefully cable tv execs dont pull do a Gatti on Wlad and give his career 9 lives.

This Peter fight is just for the HBO execs to say Wlad beat a "great fighter" when Peter isn't great now. He's 24 years old! In the heavy division, 30s are the optimal age.

When Peter KOs Wlad, he is still going to be a very green fighter in my eyes.

Whats funny but tells the truth is that Las Vegas bet wagers put Peter as the favorite. They don't play. They're talking about their own money so they wont buy into the hype around Wlad like people on this board that take the HBO-Showtime hype being given at them.

Wagers know to cut the bull**** and the hype cause they dont want to lose their money.

Let me add, two people that beat Wlad, Sanders and Brewster have gone on to do NOTHING! NOTHING! He wasn't beaten by good fighters. Just think about it.
Dumbass... HOW THE **** IS IT A BIG FIGHT WHEN PETERS HASN'T BEATEN ONE RANKED FIGHTER. ANSWER THAT?

Dumbass... HOW THE **** IS IT A BIG FIGHT WHEN PETERS HASN'T BEATEN ONE RANKED FIGHTER. ANSWER THAT?
You’re dumber that I had you perceived!

Why don’t you start a new thread stating your opinion that Wlad’s fight with Peter is not a big fight.. and become a public humiliation.

P.S. Drop the screaming…. No one can hear you!
You’re only show how weak and easily bothered you are.

DONT RUN. How the hell is this a big fight when Peter hasnt beaten anyone noteworthy?
You’re dumber that I had you perceived!

Why don’t you start a new thread stating your opinion that Wlad’s fight with Peter is not a big fight.. and become a public humiliation.

P.S. Drop the screaming…. No one can hear you!
You’re only show how weak and easily bothered you are.

DONT RUN. How the hell is this a big fight when Peter hasnt beaten anyone noteworthy?
I'll give you some mental treats to answer your own question:
Why is Wlad an underdog?
Why is this being regarded as the biggest HW fight if the century?

That proved it. You couldnt answer who Peter has beaten noteworthy.

if youre saying mosley should be on pay per view ahead of vitali cause he lost twice and vitali hasnt been knocking out the don king guys who wont fight him, then you are truly a retard.

vitali may not lose for years, much less to the same guy twice

everything you say is pretty much bull**** from what i can tell.

the arizona cardinals suck. klitschkos rule.


...Nash's take on just about everything he opens his mouth on is just like this. I have never seen any other poster stick their foot in their mouth more, get owned more, or be proven wrong more. Dude just never learns his lesson and continues to say stupid ****. Sometimes I think he is intentionaly tryng to be a retard.

I was retarded to when I picked Raheem over Morales.

you are klit nuthugger and I hope by the grace of God Wlad is knocked the **** out.

I was retarded to when I picked Raheem over Morales.

you are klit nuthugger and I hope by the grace of God Wlad is knocked the **** out.


....I think this is a 50/50 fight BTW. Praying to God that someone is knocked the **** out is interesting.

That proved it. You couldnt answer who Peter has beaten noteworthy.
Oh-Boy...

Your question was:
"How the hell is this a big fight when Peter hasnt beaten anyone noteworthy?"
So you ask me how this is a big fight and after I respond, your follow up is:
"That proved it. You couldnt answer who Peter has beaten noteworthy."

With every post you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper..

I say you're getting to the diego's levels :rolleyes:

Sam Peter is 24 and barely starting. Wlad is trying to fight Peter which says how small his balls are. Theyre prolly the size of raisins.
lmao. you make your hatred toward wlad more obvious and laughable by the day. he picked this fight because its an eliminator for the ibf title, the winner gets a title shot. so that makes him a coward by taking it? roflmao

This Peter fight is just for the HBO execs to say Wlad beat a "great fighter" when Peter isn't great now. He's 24 years old! In the heavy division, 30s are the optimal age.

When Peter KOs Wlad, he is still going to be a very green fighter in my eyes.

Whats funny but tells the truth is that Las Vegas bet wagers put Peter as the favorite. They don't play. They're talking about their own money so they wont buy into the hype around Wlad like people on this board that take the HBO-Showtime hype being given at them.

Wagers know to cut the bull**** and the hype cause they dont want to lose their money.

Let me add, two people that beat Wlad, Sanders and Brewster have gone on to do NOTHING! NOTHING! He wasn't beaten by good fighters. Just think about it.
now let me guess,,,,your skin color is black? duh

I was retarded to when I picked Raheem over Morales.

you are klit nuthugger and I hope by the grace of God Wlad is knocked the **** out.
will he get knocked down 3 times from one punch like judah? rofl

We shall see but I doubt it ,should be entertaining no matter what the outcome.

Sam Peter is 24 and barely starting. Wlad is trying to fight Peter which says how small his balls are. Theyre prolly the size of raisins.


Your an idiot, I cant say it no other way.

Doesn't matter who Peter has or hasn't beaten, this will be the best selling HW fight of the year. Fans don't really care who beat who and what fighters are looked on as "the goods" by boxing insiders. They know Peter is a big, strong scary looking guy and they know (or will know) Wlad with the handsome smile, physique, and great punch of his own.

I guarantee you that if not for the career setbacks Wladimir has seen, he would be the most popular heavyweight in the world. Best looking heavyweight in some time (spare me the flames, this is coming from a heterosexual) with a great punch, more than solid technique, and who seems like a genuinely nice guy.

As for Peter, if you can't see money there than you'd better get yourself checked out.

It'll sell out whatever venue it's at, and a LOT of people will be watching on HBO.

Doesn't matter who Peter has or hasn't beaten, this will be the best selling HW fight of the year. Fans don't really care who beat who and what fighters are looked on as "the goods" by boxing insiders. They know Peter is a big, strong scary looking guy and they know (or will know) Wlad with the handsome smile, physique, and great punch of his own.

I guarantee you that if not for the career setbacks Wladimir has seen, he would be the most popular heavyweight in the world. Best looking heavyweight in some time (spare me the flames, this is coming from a heterosexual) with a great punch, more than solid technique, and who seems like a genuinely nice guy.

As for Peter, if you can't see money there than you'd better get yourself checked out.

It'll sell out whatever venue it's at, and a LOT of people will be watching on HBO.


....Fantastic quality post!!!!

Wlad says too many things then. LOL. Nautilus stop wit ta "Wlad says" threads.

wat the **** is with ppl and hating on hte other fighter
u like a fighter thts fine, support him by talking abot him, itsn ot supporting him when ur badmouthing the opponent

I dont like them. Theyre nothing but cable tv hypes. I mean Wlad hasnt looked good in four years and hes still on cable tv. Beyond me totally. Vitali is fighting cupcakes since he got the title and he gets his own PPV. Both can thank the cable TV industry for their air time cause nobody likes them here as evident by the abhorrent PPV sales of the Vitali fight.

Meanwhile, Mosley looses twice to a very good fighter in Forrest and hes on ESPN PPV. Something aint right.
atleast Vitali Wiiliams did 120,000 buys Rahman Barret did 40,000, keep ur damn mouth shut u stupid ass u dont know nothing...

Hitman, you re a dumbass and when Wlad is KOd hopefully people like you will go away and stop supporting cable hyped fighters.
what if wlad wins, where do u go from there????

Vitali williams did NOT do 120,000 buys. Get your lies straight.
atleast Vitali Wiiliams did 120,000 buys Rahman Barret did 40,000, keep ur damn mouth shut u stupid ass u dont know nothing...

If Wlad wins, he beat a green fighter. But if there is a god, Wlad would get his ass handed to him for being hyped by HBO/Showtime execs.
what if wlad wins, where do u go from there????

If Wlad wins, he beat a green fighter. But if there is a god, Wlad would get his ass handed to him for being hyped by HBO/Showtime execs.


....This is where you once again lose all credibility. Peter may be green and I say he still hasn't proven himself, but this is the exact kind of fight that people think Wlad is crazy for taking. Even the knowledgeable Wlad haters on this site are giving him heavy props for taking this fight and they will give him respect for winning. Peter is limited skill wise but posseses the one thing that people knock Wlad for not being able to handle. Wlad is stepping up and maning up big time. If you can't see that then your so lost son.

I dont like them. Theyre nothing but cable tv hypes. I mean Wlad hasnt looked good in four years and hes still on cable tv. Beyond me totally. Vitali is fighting cupcakes since he got the title and he gets his own PPV. Both can thank the cable TV industry for their air time cause nobody likes them here as evident by the abhorrent PPV sales of the Vitali fight.

Meanwhile, Mosley looses twice to a very good fighter in Forrest and hes on ESPN PPV. Something aint right.

C'mon man, you don't this fight deserves to be on cable TV? This is an excellent fight.

If Wlad wins, he beat a green fighter. But if there is a god, Wlad would get his ass handed to him for being hyped by HBO/Showtime execs.
lol,,,,lay out the wlad hating map out in front of our eyes. in case he pulls the upset and wins he beat a green fighter. lol,,,,you haters are a joke

You're going to give Wlad credit for beating a fighter you yourself called "green". Did you just say you'd give the veteran credit for beating a green fighter?
....This is where you once again lose all credibility. Peter may be green and I say he still hasn't proven himself, but this is the exact kind of fight that people think Wlad is crazy for taking. Even the knowledgeable Wlad haters on this site are giving him heavy props for taking this fight and they will give him respect for winning. Peter is limited skill wise but posseses the one thing that people knock Wlad for not being able to handle. Wlad is stepping up and maning up big time. If you can't see that then your so lost son.

He's going to fight a green fighter. Why are you getting all giddy?
lol,,,,lay out the wlad hating map out in front of our eyes. in case he pulls the upset and wins he beat a green fighter. lol,,,,you haters are a joke

If Wlad wins, he beat a green fighter. But if there is a god, Wlad would get his ass handed to him for being hyped by HBO/Showtime execs.


If there is a god? just goes to show you how much you are actually praying for a miracle sam peter victory.

not gonna happen, and i probably will be avoiding this board for a while after this fight cause ill be busy counting all the money i won when i bet on wlad at 3.25-1. you couldve been rich if you werent so dumb.......

I dont like them. Theyre nothing but cable tv hypes. I mean Wlad hasnt looked good in four years and hes still on cable tv. Beyond me totally. Vitali is fighting cupcakes since he got the title and he gets his own PPV. Both can thank the cable TV industry for their air time cause nobody likes them here as evident by the abhorrent PPV sales of the Vitali fight.

Meanwhile, Mosley looses twice to a very good fighter in Forrest and hes on ESPN PPV. Something aint right.

Lost to DLH too, just not on paper.

Still a great fighter.

Don't feel sorry for these guys, they are way

better off than we are.

This Peter fight is just for the HBO execs to say Wlad beat a "great fighter" when Peter isn't great now. He's 24 years old! In the heavy division, 30s are the optimal age.

When Peter KOs Wlad, he is still going to be a very green fighter in my eyes.

Whats funny but tells the truth is that Las Vegas bet wagers put Peter as the favorite. They don't play. They're talking about their own money so they wont buy into the hype around Wlad like people on this board that take the HBO-Showtime hype being given at them.

Wagers know to cut the bull**** and the hype cause they dont want to lose their money.

Let me add, two people that beat Wlad, Sanders and Brewster have gone on to do NOTHING! NOTHING! He wasn't beaten by good fighters. Just think about it.

Wait a ****ing minute!

I'd understand if you said Heavies can still be great in their 30's, but to say they won't be any good untill their 30's, that's a ****ing joke lol

There is a reason why people keep mentioning how young Tyson was when he won the title. 20s is very young for the heavy division.

Like I was saying, the people that beat Wlad aren't great and haven't done anything since. I think Peters would KO, Sanders, Brewster and Williamson (who knocked Vitali flat on his ass). Peter is hungry and its going to be great when he knocks Wlad out.