What do you think was the best style to do well against Roy Jones Jr in the 1990's?

Nunn in his prime would have been the most trouble for RJ. He had EXACTLY what was needed against RJ. Back then going to Jones aggressively was a huge mistake

I have to agree with that, Manny Steward has said that a young Nunn was a guy who would of beaten Jones at 160. Pre-Kalambay before drugs got him, Nunn seemed even more slicker than Sugar Ray Leonard.

A tall, rangy southpaw who boxed and was very close to Jones quickness
= nightmare for Jones.

Nunn in his prime would have been the most trouble for RJ. He had EXACTLY what was needed against RJ. Back then going to Jones aggressively was a huge mistake

Hopkins did okay going straight at Jones at 160. The only problem is that he not do it enough. And he started his attack only late in the fight.

Also I dont think Jones would be able to fight off or survive Gerald McClellan's early round relentless agression.

McClellan did not have the stamina or skill he would need.

Put it blankly...Roy and G-man had a toe-to-toe WAR just before Roy went pro...G-man EDGED out the win.

In the pros, the rounds are longer, and Roy fought much differently. He could take his time since he wasn't constrained by a short clock like you are in the amateurs. Roy would simply out-box G-man had they fought in the pros before G-man was hurt by Benn.

I also dont think Jones would be able to fight off or survive Gerald McClellan's early round relentless agression.
McClellan wasn't a slugger, as the 80's turned into the 90's he developed into an awesome boxer-puncher. McClellan circled his opponents and picked them off well, and he had amazing timing, and his best tool was that two-punch combination that finished something like 15 opponents in the 1st-round with that one combination alone (overhand right to the head followed by a left hook to the body). McClellan had better boxing skill than Jones, there's no doubt about the fact that McClellan had more ability whereas Jones had the fast reflexes.

I think he'd of knocked out Jones, but he wouldn't of came out with relentless aggression because that wasn't his style.

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I also think that the Pre-Watson Eubank would of stopped Jones, though it would of been a Very tough nights work and a great fight to watch. Jones actually wanted a shot at Eubank in 1991 but I don't think he'd of ended up winning it, the chins would be the difference (Jones' chin being glass, Eubank's chin being granite). Eubank was a deadly finisher when he had a man hurt before the tragic outcome of the Watson fight, and such a quality puncher.

McClellan wasn't a slugger, as the 80's turned into the 90's he developed into an awesome boxer-puncher. McClellan circled his opponents and picked them off well, and he had amazing timing, and his best tool was that two-punch combination that finished something like 15 opponents in the 1st-round with that one combination alone (overhand right to the head followed by a left hook to the body). McClellan had better boxing skill than Jones, there's no doubt about the fact that McClellan had more ability whereas Jones had the fast reflexes.

I think he'd of knocked out Jones, but he wouldn't of came out with relentless aggression because that wasn't his style.

I got his 15th pro fight on file. He was a relentless early round attacker even at that time. I will send you file if you want. In 29 fights, I think McClellan had 20 first round KO's. He was always as a prizefighter an aggressive early round attacker. And he had the rep for it even then.

Why are you still here Mckay? You've been banned what? Like twice?

Anyway, I think your funny but obviously Rick doesn't want you here, so just stop posting...its for the better half of BS.

I got his 15th pro fight on file. He was a relentless early round attacker even at that time. I will send you file if you want. In 29 fights, I think McClellan had 20 first round KO's. He was always as a prizefighter an aggressive early round attacker. And he had the rep for it even then.
Yeah send me the file.

Yeah send me the file.

Alright I will send you the file. It is not very good quality but you will get the picture no less.

U also have to remember thaty Gerald got OUTBOXED by Dennis Milton and Ralph Ward. Back in those days RJ was a MASTER boxer and would outbox GM in a very careful manner. And as far as Hops goes...he didnt start aggression early because being IN a fight and WATCHING a fight is two different things...and Hops was getting picked off by hard, sharp counters and if he didnt get to the body early it was because HE COULDN'T.

ALSO..RASTA MON..I took three pics at the gym tonight with my sign in front of a fight poster of mine...I went to CVS later on but the photo shop closes earlier so I wil go in the a.m. and get the pic on disc. Be patient, dogg. I'm coming at you with PROOF. (Get the check for my book ready :)

<< PS PS...The kid in the photo with me is 21-0 up and coming 140 pounder Dmitriy Salita out of NY. GREAT kid that I have known since he was just 15.

I could probably take him to school in the boxing ring :D

U also have to remember thaty Gerald got OUTBOXED by Dennis Milton and Ralph Ward. Back in those days RJ was a MASTER boxer and would outbox GM in a very careful manner. And as far as Hops goes...he didnt start aggression early because being IN a fight and WATCHING a fight is two different things...and Hops was getting picked off by hard, sharp counters and if he didnt get to the body early it was because HE COULDN'T.
But you have to admit that in a McClellan Vs Jones Jr battle without pillows for gloves or headgear, McClellan would only have to land cleanly with anything more than a placing shot just once, just once!

NAH, I mean people can say NOW that RJ has no chin but come on, the guy is 35 with a ton of pro and amateur fights (and the sparring that omes with all that) over a 25 year span. I am talking about a young RJ. Gerald landed clean against guys and they didnt fall and, if anything, Benn showed more resiliance against GM than he did against supposed lesser punchers

You could say that about just about anybody bro...you could say that Liston would beat Ali not in a boxing ring but in the street. Things that we shouldn't even mention because they are out of question.

U also have to remember thaty Gerald got OUTBOXED by Dennis Milton and Ralph Ward. Back in those days RJ was a MASTER boxer and would outbox GM in a very careful manner. And as far as Hops goes...he didnt start aggression early because being IN a fight and WATCHING a fight is two different things...and Hops was getting picked off by hard, sharp counters and if he didnt get to the body early it was because HE COULDN'T.

For f**K sake that was extremely early in his career. By the time of 15th fight it was thought at least by many commentators that he had dramatically improved since his amateure days. And he was a proflific amateure of course defeating Roy Jones Jr in an 88 Golden Gloves tournement.

NAH, I mean people can say NOW that RJ has no chin but come on, the guy is 35 with a ton of pro and amateur fights (and the sparring that omes with all that) over a 25 year span. I am talking about a young RJ. Gerald landed clean against guys and they didnt fall and, if anything, Benn showed more resiliance against GM than he did against supposed lesser punchers
If McClellan landed cleanly on Benn, it would of been over there and then. But he didn't really land cleanly on Benn with a proper power shot other than when he knocked him out of the ring at the start and had him out on his feet almost, but even they weren't any real clean punches really. It was Benn making himself very awkward to hit, and I think that was the difference (McClellan having a non-existant defence, Benn refusing to make himself a stationary target by trying to move the head more wether it was up and down or side to side).

ALSO..RASTA MON..I took three pics at the gym tonight with my sign in front of a fight poster of mine...I went to CVS later on but the photo shop closes earlier so I wil go in the a.m. and get the pic on disc. Be patient, dogg. I'm coming at you with PROOF. (Get the check for my book ready :)


wrong, i said that i would buy your book if you posted it right then

If McClellan landed cleanly on Benn, it would of been over there and then. But he didn't really land cleanly on Benn with a proper power shot other than when he knocked him out of the ring at the start and had him out on his feet almost, but even they weren't any real clean punches really. It was Benn making himself very awkward to hit, and I think that was the difference (McClellan having a non-existant defence, Benn refusing to make himself a stationary target by trying to move the head more wether it was up and down or side to side).
And the reason that Eubank landed so many right hands on Benn in their first fight was not just because Benn lacked head movement in his first four years as a pro but because Eubank was just letting his right hand go without pulling his arm back whereas, if I remember rightly, McClellan was always trying to measure his shots in the Benn fight which meant that Benn could see them coming.

McClellan after the first round of their fight was not fighting his fight. He was letting Benn got off first which is entirely out of character for Gerald and doing nothing in the way defence. He also was not throwing nearly enough of his trademark lefthook to the body which set up so many of his 1st round KO's and had Benn down in the 8th.

McClellan after the first round of their fight was not fighting his fight. He was letting Benn got off first which is entirely out of character for Gerald
I think it may have something to do with Benn landed his power punches on McClellan ;)

He also was not throwing nearly enough of his trademark lefthook to the body which set up so many of his 1st round KO's and had Benn down in the 8th.
Benn said in his book that McClellan hit him with a body shot in round three that REALLY hurt, and that he had to be quick-witted by waving McClellan on soon after the punch landed as if it didn't hurt him because he didn't want McClellan to hit him with that again! Benn deserves credit for that smart tactic.

I think it may have something to do with Benn landed his power punches on McClellan ;)

It almost certainly was a factor that Gerald was cautious due to Benn's power. But its nothing to laugh about. Gerald never went down from any of Benn's punches. Not until he suddenly was braindamaged in the 9th round. He took everything Benn had, until his brain gave out. But yes, it was probably definitely a factor in McClellan's caution was Benn's power. McClellan had Benn down twice. And had him in much worse condition than Eubank ever did in the first fight when the stoppage was prematurely called.

It might have been a factor that Gerald was cautious due to Benn's power. But its nothing to laugh about. Gerald never went down from any of Benn's punches. Not until he suddenly was braindamaged in the 9th round. He took everything Benn had, until his brain gave out. But yes, it was probably definitely a factor in McClellan's caution was Benn's power.
McClellan's chin and strength were unbelievable. Benn says that he was hitting him with punches that, whoever else he had hit with one of those punches previously had crumbled down in front of him, yet McClellan just stood in front of him and took them all. Benn didn't know what he had to do get McClellan down, he threw real power punches at him that any normal middleweight contender would be out cold from just one of them, and he threw them time and time again at McClellan for almost half an hour!

I think McClellan's chin was too good for his own good, he should of been knocked out at the start of round two and 10 times over in that round alone.

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RASTA MON..what difference does it make..what do u think I did in the meantime..went out and got surgery to look like Ice? Come on, man. U wil have the pics tomorrow as soon as I get them from CVS


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