View Full Version : Greatest Trainer of Alltime?


Who are you?
03-15-2011, 07:52 PM
I vote Norman Stone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TVi6qugGBw

Watch that video you will die laughing!

Probably the greatest man to have been involved in the sport of boxing in the last 10 Years. This man is a hero to our sport, possibly the greatest trainer that has ever lived.

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Photo of Norman Stone being escorted by security

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Norman Stone in action with John Ruiz

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Norman Stone starts a brawl in Germany

Former trainer of John Ruiz, Norman "Stoney" Stone.

Career Highlights Include:

- Cursing and yelling at Randy Neumann and being ejected from the Golota/Ruiz fight.

- ****ing his fist and attempting to punch the trainer of Andrew Golota in between rounds during the Golota/Ruiz fight.

- Starting an argument with Alton Merkerson (Roy Jones' trainer) at the RJJ/John Ruiz weighin and subsequently getting into a brawl with and being beaten up and hospitalized by Merkerson.

- Stealing the WBA belt from Nikolay Valuev after Valuev was declared winner in decision over Ruiz. Norman began mouthing off and a ring-brawl ensued. Norman was thrown out and escorted by security.

In the history of boxing there has never been a more colourful character, or a man who has started so many brawls and been repeatedly escorted from ring by security.

:wow:

Wild Blue Yonda
03-15-2011, 08:17 PM
Ray Arcel for me.

If someone says Angelo Dundee, I will puke.

IronDanHamza
03-15-2011, 08:23 PM
Norman Stone genuinely had me in stiches at times.

Like uncontrollable laughter. Stretching from when Jim Lampley identifying to everyone that he just called John Ruiz by the name of Roy, all the way to marching around the ring with the belt Valuev just won, flaunting it to the crowd like a WWF wrestler had just won the belt and the crowd going wild.

Very funny guy.

Scott9945
03-15-2011, 09:38 PM
Ray Arcel for me.

If someone says Angelo Dundee, I will puke.

Would Lou Duva please you more? :)

cja07007
03-15-2011, 10:11 PM
A true legend.

Steak
03-16-2011, 01:15 AM
Would Lou Duva please you more? :)

Duva is so underrated in terms of insane traiers. Didnt Roger Mayweather drop him after Duva charged him after the Pazienza fight? and I feel like that happened more than once too.


although my vote goes for Norman Stone too.:trink26:

Barn
03-16-2011, 01:20 PM
Ray Arcel definitely 18 world champions!
Eddie Futch next in my opinion.

BattlingNelson
03-16-2011, 01:30 PM
Norman Stone is a real character. :crazy:


When discussing the best trainers you have to include these:

Futch
Arcel
Steward
and probably Dundee (sorry yonda).

In 10 years Roach will probably join this list.

Wild Blue Yonda
03-16-2011, 07:52 PM
Dundee wasn't even a trainer. He was a cornerman.

SweetSciencePHD
03-17-2011, 05:11 AM
I might have to go with Cus D'mato with the two youngest heavyweight champions of all time. Emanuel Steward would also be a top guy. And of course, Lou Duva does have to be mentioned in this conversation. I really have to lean towards D'mato with the machine he built with Mike Tyson. When Mike was young and hungry under Cus's wing, he was practically unstoppable, and in in his younger form I don't think there are many boxers ever who could have dealt with him.

Marchegiano
03-17-2011, 09:22 PM
Im a fanboy

Charlie Goldman

barfly12
03-18-2011, 08:57 AM
Blackburn taught/trained Joe Louis. He molded a raw amateur into perhaps the greatest fighting machine of all time. Charlie Goldman likewise molded a wild, pudgy Rocky Marciano into a hard, deceptively clever slugger with unlimited stamina. Ray Arcel, Cus D'Amato are right up there too. Jack Doc Kearns took Dempsey to the top, instilled a confidence and a style that made him a worldbeater and an all time great. As for Dundee, I don't see it, but he did train 15 world's champions. That is not an accident. But he was given such fantastic raw material, maybe any decent trainer could have done it. Not sure about him but the great ones make something hard look easy. Maybe that's the case with Dundee. And of course Eddie Futch. A great trainer and great human being. Very caring man. One of the few straight shooters ever to sign a boxing contract.

BattlingNelson
03-18-2011, 09:22 AM
Blackburn taught/trained Joe Louis. He molded a raw amateur into perhaps the greatest fighting machine of all time. Charlie Goldman likewise molded a wild, pudgy Rocky Marciano into a hard, deceptively clever slugger with unlimited stamina. Ray Arcel, Cus D'Amato are right up there too. Jack Doc Kearns took Dempsey to the top, instilled a confidence and a style that made him a worldbeater and an all time great. As for Dundee, I don't see it, but he did train 15 world's champions. That is not an accident. But he was given such fantastic raw material, maybe any decent trainer could have done it. Not sure about him but the great ones make something hard look easy. Maybe that's the case with Dundee. And of course Eddie Futch. A great trainer and great human being. Very caring man. One of the few straight shooters ever to sign a boxing contract.
Was Kearns trainer?? I thought he was only manager/promotor.

Toney616
03-18-2011, 10:36 AM
Dundee wasn't even a trainer. He was a cornerman.
What do you mean by that? Who would you say trained Ali then?

BennyST
03-18-2011, 11:30 AM
I think Freddie Brown is one of the great trainers who never get mentioned. He was more of a cornerman in fights, but did a lot of the nitty gritty stuff when it came to training fighters, especially in the Brown/Arcel team, which is undoubtedly the greatest training team.

Arcel though has to be the greatest trainer. He knew how to train fighters to be what they naturally were and make them great with what they had, whether brains, brawn or a bit of both.

barfly12
03-18-2011, 12:06 PM
Kearns was a teacher, not a conditioner. But he pretty much developed Dempsey's bob and weave style. Or at least he perfected it.

The Surgeon
03-20-2011, 05:34 PM
Ray Arcel comes to mind first, Cus was great too but it was one style with him really.

To be fair i think the fighters make the trainer as much as anything. If an absaloute natural with lead for fists walks into ur gym then boom ur a championship trainer.

Manny Steward was great for Lewis not so much for Klitchko. I say that because despite Wlads dominance its not Manny making it happen. Wlad barely listens to him, u'll hear Steward go bannanas at Wlad "Take this muther ****er out! Punch! Let ur hands go!" and 5 rounds later Wladomir will still be there jabbing his man to death

I dont give Dundee much credit for Ali either, Ali was his own man and just did his thing regardless of Dundee

Roach is damn good.

And **** it i'll take heat for this but if i turned pro today id want Adam Booth in my corner god damn it! lol

RFPROBOX
03-20-2011, 06:01 PM
Ray Arcel for me.
If someone says Angelo Dundee, I will puke.






Ray Arcel is my choice too.

dannyl12345
03-21-2011, 04:26 PM
Gotta go with Cus D'mato or Dundee

DET. IRONSIDE
03-21-2011, 08:39 PM
Eddie Futch.......

Jim Jeffries
03-21-2011, 08:52 PM
Ray Arcel comes to mind first, Cus was great too but it was one style with him really.

To be fair i think the fighters make the trainer as much as anything. If an absaloute natural with lead for fists walks into ur gym then boom ur a championship trainer.

Manny Steward was great for Lewis not so much for Klitchko. I say that because despite Wlads dominance its not Manny making it happen. Wlad barely listens to him, u'll hear Steward go bannanas at Wlad "Take this muther ****er out! Punch! Let ur hands go!" and 5 rounds later Wladomir will still be there jabbing his man to death

I dont give Dundee much credit for Ali either, Ali was his own man and just did his thing regardless of Dundee

Roach is damn good.

And **** it i'll take heat for this but if i turned pro today id want Adam Booth in my corner god damn it! lol

Steward wasn't very good at motivating Taylor either, especially during the Spinks fight. And none of his fighters seem to be worth a damn on the inside. Remains to be seen whether he can do much with Cotto.

No doubt he made Wlad better, but he also made him more cautious and less entertaining to watch. Which while it probably extended his career a good deal, might ultimately hurt him in the long run. Same thing he did to Lennox, albeit a lesser degree. Much preferred the Lennox who fought Ruddock to the one who fought Tua, for instance.