You come up with something and i will disprove its validity.

Bump up ^^^^^^

I am not impressed by the job done by his administration, nor the Republican party for that matter.......but I refuse to point fingers at the figurehead. I have nothing against Bush personally, and I also refuse to buy into liberal propaganda. IE Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Ward Churchill.......very close to treasonists in my opinion. I also think these areas are what are leading to his dissaproval rating.

I do not hate anyone it is a strong word to use but I don't like Bush by any means either.I don't know exactly what he has done good or bad for the country but we will be able to tell in the next 10 years after his presidency.IMO. :eek:

1. Helped hold interest rates at the lowest they have consistently been in the history of this country. Yeah, I know Greenspan calls the overnight shots but monetary policy of the admin and Greenspan doing the Presidents bidding is common knowledge.

2. Rid the world of one the most brutal dictators who ever lived. And in the process just may help democracy spread in the middle east. If the Iraq situation leads to a Democratic brushfire then it was worth it.

3. Protected this country from another terrorist attack since 9/11.

4. Kept a retard like Kerry out of the white house

5. Pissed off all the bleeding heart libs and leftist media outlets with his presidential win.


....I could give ya 1-100 at least but I'm trying to watch a ball game.

....I could give ya 1-100 at least but I'm trying to watch a ball game.


a ball game?

a ball game? u watch ****?

I dont get it.

Runwith knives: u like this pic?
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I dont get it.

**** all. still hasnt even gotten vengence for 9/11.

I am not impressed by the job done by his administration, nor the Republican party for that matter.......but I refuse to point fingers at the figurehead. I have nothing against Bush personally, and I also refuse to buy into liberal propaganda. IE Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Ward Churchill.......very close to treasonists in my opinion. I also think these areas are what are leading to his dissaproval rating.

Ward Churchill maybe......but Bill Maher? Treasonous? He says almost every week oh his show that the people on the left need to stop complaining about going to Iraq.

Bill in my opinion tries TOO HARD to be moderate.

I'm mad at that mofoker, every year he ****s with my pay increase, he always wants the military to earn more and the civil employees to earn less....MOFOKER!!!

1. Helped hold interest rates at the lowest they have consistently been in the history of this country. Yeah, I know Greenspan calls the overnight shots but monetary policy of the admin and Greenspan doing the Presidents bidding is common knowledge.

2. Rid the world of one the most brutal dictators who ever lived. And in the process just may help democracy spread in the middle east. If the Iraq situation leads to a Democratic brushfire then it was worth it.

3. Protected this country from another terrorist attack since 9/11.

4. Kept a retard like Kerry out of the white house

5. Pissed off all the bleeding heart libs and leftist media outlets with his presidential win.


....I could give ya 1-100 at least but I'm trying to watch a ball game.

Ok, it took a while, but i will now shoot down all of your points.

1. Helped hold interest rates at the lowest they have consistently been in the history of this country. Yeah, I know Greenspan calls the overnight shots but monetary policy of the admin and Greenspan doing the Presidents bidding is common knowledge.



The lowest US interest rates for 40 years have helped keep the American economy afloat, especially through strong consumer spending. But companies are still struggling to make profits in an environment of low prices while saddled with debt accumulated in the 1990s boom. Analysts thought companies would be over the worst by now, but the stream of profit warnings and credit downgrades shows no sign of drying up.
Well, it should be noted that the coexistence of "the lowest U.S. interest rates in 40 years" and accumulating debt is not merely a coincidence. When your central bank is giving away basically free money, and the legislature is stealing money from workers in order to write billions of dollars in corporate welfare checks, the amount of investment is artificially jacked up. That will jack up the economy temporarily, but eventually the chickens will come home to roost: artificially low interest rates means artificially high malinvestment - pouring cheap money into bad projects because the risk is artificially lowered. We are now living with the hangover of our central planners' and corporate bureaucrats' long investment binge in the 1990s.
The Bush apparatchiks, of course, have been trying to blame this all on Clinton. And certainly Clinton's economic policies helped create the bubble economy and continued the long tradition of massive corporate welfare giveaways. Rush Limbaugh has gone so far as to claim that every single problem Bush faces - from international terrorism to the going-nowhere economy - is not, in fact, the result of any of his own numerous ****-ups, collusions of interest, or back-room deals. Instead, it's all messes that Clinton left for Bush to clean up. Why? Because Clinton was too distracted by the Monica Lewinski investigation!
Let's get serious, folks. We have an administration in power that is dedicated to increasing command and control over the economy by central planning bureaucrats - in corporate boardrooms and in government offices. The economy has been weak for the entire Bush Presidency and it shows no signs of letting up. He's had a year and a half now; by now, even the lagging indicators (such as unemployment levels) are reflecting decisions made under the Bush administration. The problem is that the Democratic leadership is too spineless and too cowed and too much in collusion with the same corporate interests to point out that Bush's policies have been making things worse, not better. Once again, more proof that we desperately need a system that allows for vibrant third parties in America. We desperately need a lot of other things, too--like an end to corporate welfare and centralized command-and-control over the economy--but until we have some basic democracy reforms we are very unlikely to get any of that.

Get em Rasta, damn u sure live 4this **** huh, provin people wrong, anyway, **** keep it up

Rid the world of one the most brutal dictators who ever lived. And in the process just may help democracy spread in the middle east. If the Iraq situation leads to a Democratic brushfire then it was worth it.

Why not these fine fellows instead. They sound a little worse to me.



1. Omar al-Bashir, Sudan.
Age 61. In power since 1989.
Last year’s rank: 7
A colossal humanitarian tragedy in western Sudan’s Darfur region has uprooted 2 million people and killed 70,000, mostly through the activities of government-supported militias. This is nothing new in Sudan, where Omar al-Bashir, its dictator, has engaged in ethnic and religious persecution since seizing power in a military coup. Sudan has 6 million internally displaced persons—more than any other nation. In southern Sudan, where Christianity and traditional religions are practiced, Bashir tried to impose Islamic law in a campaign that included aerial bombing of villages and enslavement of women and children. His forces met with armed resistance, escalating to what some called a civil war between Muslims and Christians. (In Darfur, meanwhile, he has been killing Muslims.) Last month, Bashir signed a cease-fire with rebels in the south. It allows government troops to remain in southern Sudan and prohibits southerners from voting for independence for six years.


2. Kim Jong Il, North Korea.
Age 62. In power since 1994.
Last year’s rank: 1
Kim Jong Il slipped from first place, but not for want of trying. North Korea still ranks last in Reporters Without Borders’ international index of press freedom, and it earned Freedom House’s worst score for political rights and civil liberties for the 33rd straight year (a world record). The Ministry of People’s Security places spies in workplaces and neighborhoods to inform on anyone who criticizes the regime, even at home. All radios and TV sets are fixed to receive only government stations. Disloyalty to Kim Jong Il and his late father, Kim Il Sung, is a punishable crime: Offenses include allowing pictures of either leader to gather dust or be torn or folded. The population is divided into “loyalty groups.” One-third belong to the “hostile class.” These people receive the worst jobs and housing and may not live in the capital, Pyongyang. Below the hostiles are the estimated 250,000 held in prison camps, some for crimes allegedly committed by relatives. Executions often are performed in public.


3. Than Shwe, Burma.
Age 72. In power since 1992.
Last year’s rank: 2
In response to world opinion, Gen. Than Shwe freed 9000 prisoners, but hopes for a new liberalism faded when only 40 were political detainees (among more than 1000 still being held). The rest were common criminals. Than Shwe extended the house arrest of Nobel Peace Prize-winner Aung San Suu Kyi, whose party won 80% of the vote in the last open election (1990). The arrest of opposition members resumed. Freedom of expression is not allowed; unlicensed possession of a fax machine or modem is punishable by 15 years in prison. To relocate ethnic minorities, the army destroyed 3000 villages and drove 1.2 million Burmese from their homes. In a landmark case, Unocal Corp. of California agreed to pay damages to Burmese villagers who said the military used torture, rape or murder to force them to work on the company’s pipeline.


4. Hu Jintao, China.
Age 62. In power since 2002.
Last year’s rank: 3
Despite China’s economic liberalization, President Hu Jintao’s government remains one of the most repressive. Some 250,000 Chinese are serving sentences in “re-education and labor camps.” China executes more people than all other nations combined, often for nonviolent crimes. The death penalty can be given for burglary, embezzlement, counterfeiting, bribery or killing a panda. Hu’s government controls all media and Internet use. Defense lawyers who argue too vigorously for clients’ rights may be disbarred or imprisoned. And if minorities (such as Tibetans) speak out for autonomy, they’re labeled “terrorists,” imprisoned and tortured.


5. Crown Prince Abdullah, Saudi Arabia.
Age 81. In power since 1995.
Last year’s rank: 5
Bending under strong international pressure, Crown Prince Abdullah and his family, who have absolute power, are holding Saudi Arabia’s first elections in 40 years—municipal elections, that is. Women may not vote or run for office, owing to “technical difficulties”: Most Saudi women don’t have the photo IDs needed to register; there aren’t enough female officials to register those who do; and men may not register women, because the sexes are forbidden to mingle in public. Worldwide, the royal family promotes an extreme form of Islam called Wahhabism, which considers all followers of other religions—even other Muslims—“infidels.” In 2004, the U.S. State Department added Saudi Arabia to its list of nations in which religious liberty is severely violated.


6. Muammar al-Qaddafi, Libya.
Age 62. In power since 1969.
Last year’s rank:
Dishonorable mention
Increasingly annoyed by other Arab leaders, Qaddafi—once considered a supporter of terrorism —has gone to great lengths to re-establish links with the West. He turned over a perpetrator of the 1988 terrorist bombing of an American commercial flight over Lockerbie, Scotland, and made substantial payments to families of the victims of both the Lockerbie bombing and that of a French plane. He gave up his nuclear weapons program and is opening his nation’s economy to foreign investment. Yet at home he continues to run a brutal dictatorship, maintaining total control over all aspects of Libyan life. Freedom of speech, assembly and religion are harshly restricted. Entire families, tribes and even towns can be punished for “collective guilt.” Political opposition and damaging public or private property are considered “crimes against the state.”


7. Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan.
Age 61. In power since 1999.
Last year’s rank: Not mentioned
Two years after seizing power in a military coup that overthrew an elected government, Gen. Pervez Musharraf appointed himself president of Pakistan. He recently agreed to step down as head of the military, then reversed his decision, claiming that he was best suited to unite Pakistan’s contentious political and military elements. “The country is more important than democracy,” he said. Pakistan has endangered the world by spreading nuclear technology. Last year, it was discovered that Abdul Qadeer Khan, head of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, had been selling nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran. As for civil liberties in Pakistan, a woman who has been raped may present her case only if she can produce four Muslim men who witnessed the attack.


8. Saparmurat Niyazov, Turkmenistan.
Age 64. In power since 1990.
Last year’s rank: 8
Niyazov has developed an overbearing personality cult that crushes dissent and invades all aspects of life in Turkmenistan, no matter how trivial. He controls his one-party state with torture, disappearances, detentions, house demolitions, forced labor and exile. He muzzles all media, and it is illegal to criticize any of his policies. Statues of Niyazov appear everywhere, and his picture is on all denominations of money. His “moral guide,” Rukhnama (Book of the Soul), is required reading for students, married couples and even applicants for a driver’s license. Female newscasters may not wear makeup, nor may young men wear beards, long hair or gold teeth.


9. Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe.
Age 80. In power since 1980.
Last year’s rank: 4
After leading an anti-colonial war of liberation, Mugabe was elected Zimbabwe’s first prime minister, raising hopes for a new era of democracy. But he has turned increasingly dictatorial and run his country into the ground. Average life expectancy in Zimbabwe is 33 years—among the lowest in the world. One of Mugabe’s many repressive laws deems it a crime “to make an abusive, indecent or obscene statement” about him. He continues to hold elections, but opposition is discouraged. Looking toward a vote in March, the parliament passed a law banning from Zimbabwe any human-rights or civil-liberties group that receives money from abroad. In other words, independent election monitors will not be allowed.


10. Teodoro Obiang Nguema,
Equatorial Guinea. Age 62.
In power since 1979. Last year’s rank: 6
Since major oil reserves were discovered there in 1995, U.S. oil companies have poured $5 billion into this tiny West African nation. Most of the oil income goes to President Obiang and his family, while the majority of the people live on less than $1 a day. Some American oil companies are being investigated for improprieties involving Obiang. The U.S. State Department has accused Obiang’s government of committing torture. In November, 20 people—including 11 foreign nationals —were sentenced to prison for an alleged coup attempt. The only evidence against them, says Amnesty International, were confessions extracted through torture

Bush gave Miguel Cotto a blowjob right before Cotto took that picture in Borikua's sig... cotto looks like a ****ing idiot! LOL! cotto definately just got sum head right before dat pic

2. Rid the world of one the most brutal dictators who ever lived. And in the process just may help democracy spread in the middle east. If the Iraq situation leads to a Democratic brushfire then it was worth it.


That's the only good thing he did..

9/11 would have NEVER happened if it wasn't for that cunt ugly ****** dickeating ****** ass bush, i like to piss in bushes.

Kept a ****** like Kerry out of the white house? ***** pleaze!

Pissed off the people? come on cabroN!

You still the #1 cabron.

Protected this country from another terrorist attack since 9/11.





The Bush administration has been staggeringly ineffectual in its response to the rapidly deteriorating situation in New Orleans. Its failures are painful evidence of how far we have to go in developing the capability to respond rapidly to a mass-casualty disaster.
The president's statement this week set the tone. Rather than direct the U.S. military to immediately assist the thousands of people without food or water in the city center, Bush assured the nation that expected gasoline shortages would be temporary and that his father and former President Clinton were ready to pass the tin can to ensure private-sector support for rebuilding New Orleans. As people began dying around the Convention Center, and Mayor Ray Nagin resorted to issuing a pathetic SOS over CNN, Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff spoke empathetically of the suffering of the people in New Orleans. But somehow he seemed proud that 72 hours after the hurricane hit, only 2,800 National Guardsmen had come to the city. The number is about to reach 12,000 by tomorrow. That is awfully late for the people stranded there. Yet Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, who is commanding the military component of Washington's response, pleaded for patience from the people of New Orleans, promising that the U.S. Army was "building the capability" to help them.
Building the capability? How is it possible that with the fourth anniversary of 9/11 almost upon us, the federal government doesn't have in hand the capability to prepare for and then manage a large urban disaster, natural or man-made? In terms of the challenge to government, there is little difference between a terrorist attack that wounds many people and renders a significant portion of a city uninhabitable, and the fallout this week from the failure of one of New Orleans' major levees. Indeed, a terrorist could have chosen a levee for his target. Or a dirty-bomb attack in New Orleans could have caused the same sort of forced evacuation we are seeing and the widespread sickness that is likely to follow.
Chertoff's Department of Homeland Security demonstrated today that it could organize an impressive press conference in Washington, lining up every participating civilian or military service from the Coast Guard to the Federal Emergency Management Agency to promise its cooperation. But on the ground in Louisiana, where it counts, DHS is turning out to be the sum of its inefficient parts. The department looks like what its biggest critics predicted: a new level of bureaucracy grafted onto a collection of largely ineffectual under-agencies.
What has DHS been doing if not readying itself and its subcomponents for a likely disaster? The collapse of a New Orleans levee has long led a list of worst-case urban crisis scenarios. The dots had already been connected. Over the last century, New Orleans has sunk 3 feet deeper below sea level. With each inch, pressure grows along the levees. Meanwhile the loss of wetlands and the shrinking of the Gulf Coast's barrier islands have reduced the natural protection from hurricane winds. The weakness of the levees was underscored in a 2002 wide-ranging exploration of New Orleans' hurricane vulnerability by the New Orleans Times-Picayune, one of many grimly vindicated Cassandras. The U.S. Army Corp of Engineers, which built the levees and continues to manage them, told the paper then that there was little threat of a levee's collapse. But the corps admitted that its estimates were 40 years old and that no one had bothered to update them.
The response to Katrina thus far indicates two flaws in the Bush administration's thinking about homeland security. The federal government hasn't learned how to plan for a tragedy that demands putting a city on sustained life-support, as opposed to a one-moment-in-time attack that requires recovering the dead and injured from debris and then quickly rebuilding. And DHS appears unwilling to plan for the early use of the U.S. military to cope with a civilian tragedy. Presidential administrations have perennially underestimated the difficulty of the latter task. In 1962, President John F. Kennedy's top aide, Kenneth O'Donnell, thought it would be easy to deploy troops rapidly to defend James Meredith when he was attacked by segregationists while trying to enroll as the University of Mississippi's first black student. "If the President of the United States calls up and says, 'Get your ass down there,' " O'Donnell said, "I would think they'd be on a ****ing plane in about five minutes." Kennedy made that call. But then, in spite of O'Donnell's prediction, he watched in frustration as the army dithered for hours before deploying to Oxford, Miss.
The Kennedy administration thus learned that the army must be told in advance what to do. As a matter of law and preference, the military does little training for domestic missions. It balks and mutters about posse comitatus, the legal principle that prohibits the use of the army for law enforcement, and leaves the hard work for the National Guard and state and local authorities. This has made sense most of the time. But in an era when we are supposed to be better prepared for an urban disaster, the tradition of allowing local and state authorities to be overwhelmed before the federal government and military step in should have been rethought.
Located only three hours from New Orleans is Fort Polk, home of the 4th Brigade of the 10th Mountain Division, a light infantry unit with about 3,000 soldiers. Also at Fort Polk is the Joint Readiness Training Center, which prepares military units to respond rapidly to crises abroad. The 4th Brigade has been training for duty in Afghanistan. Why was it also not ready to take on a local disaster scenario in hurricane season? Or at the least, once the National Hurricane Center predicted that the eye of Katrina would come close to New Orleans, couldn't DHS have deployed the military to help shore up the levees?
And in the event of a WMD attack, when there would likely be no warning at all, what is DHS's contingency plan for moving into position the army or the marines to restore order and sustain life? In the wake of Katrina and the breached levee, the answer seems to be not much of one. In the wake of 9/11, that is worse than incomprehensible. It is unforgivable.

Kept a retard like Kerry out of the white house






Ken Blackwell, Ohio's Secretary of State, told his State Senate President, "The possibility of a close election with punch cards as the state’s primary voting device invites a Florida-like calamity." Blackwell, co-chair of Bush-Cheney reelection campaign, wasn't warning his fellow Republican of disaster, but boasting of an opportunity to bring in Ohio for Team Bush no matter what the voters wanted. And most voters in Ohio wanted JFK, not GWB. But their choice won't count because their votes won't be counted.

The ballots that add up to a majority for John Kerry in Ohio -- and in New Mexico -- are locked up in two Republican hidey-holes: "spoiled" ballots and "provisional" ballots.

American democracy has a dark little secret. In a typical presidential election, two million ballots are simply chucked in the garbage, marked "spoiled" and not counted. A dive into the electoral dumpster reveals something special about these votes left to rot. In a careful county-by-county, precinct-by-precinct analysis of the Florida 2000 race, the US Civil Rights Commission discovered that 54% of the votes in the spoilage bin were cast by African-Americans. And Florida, Heaven help us, is typical. Nationwide, the number of Black votes "disappeared" into the spoiled pile is approximately one million. The other million in the no-count pit come mainly from Hispanic, Native-American and poor white precincts, a decidedly Democratic demographic.



Ohio Republicans, simultaneously in charge of both the Bush-Cheney get-out-the-vote drive and the state's vote-counting rules, doggedly and systematically insured the spoilage pile would be as high as the White House.

Vote spoilage comes in two flavors. There are "overvotes" -- too many punches in the cards, and "undervotes." Here we find the hanging, dimpled and "pregnant" chads created by old, dysfunctional punch card machines, in which the bit of paper covering the hole doesn't fall out, but hangs on. Machines can't read these, but we humans, who know a hole when we see one, have no problem reading these cards … if allowed to. This is how Katherine Harris defeated Al Gore, by halting the hand count of the spoiled punch cards not, as is generally believed, by halting a "recount."

Whose chads are left hanging? In Florida in 2000 federal investigators determined that Black voters' ballots spoiled 900% more often than white voters, mainly due to punch card error. Ohio Republicans found those racial odds quite attractive. The state was the only one of fifty to refuse to eliminate or fix these vote-eating machines, even in the face of a lawsuit by the ACLU.

Apparently, the Ohio Republicans like what the ACLU found. The civil rights group's expert testimony concluded that Ohio's cussed insistence on forcing 73% of its electorate to use punch card machines had an "overwhelming" racial bias, voiding votes mostly in Black precincts. Blackwell doesn't disagree; and he hopes to fix the machinery … sometime after George Bush's next inauguration. In the meantime, the state's Attorney General Jim Petro, a Republican, strategically postponed the trial date of the ACLU case until after the election.

Fixing a punch card machine is cheap and easy. If Ohio simply placed a card-reading machine in each polling station, as Michigan did this year, voters could have checked to ensure their vote would tally. If not, they would have gotten another card.
Blackwell knows that. He also knows that if those reading machines had been installed, almost all the 93,000 spoiled votes, overwhelmingly Democratic, would have closed the gap on George Bush's lead of 136,000 votes.

Add to the spoiled ballots a second group of uncounted votes, the 'provisional' ballots, and -- voila! -- the White House would have turned Democrat blue.

But that won't happen because of the peculiar way provisional ballots are counted or, more often, not counted. Introduced by federal law in 2002, the provisional ballot was designed especially for voters of color. Proposed by the Congressional Black Caucus to save the rights of those wrongly scrubbed from voter rolls, it was, in Republican-controlled swing states, twisted into a back-of-the-bus ballot unlikely to be tallied.

Unlike the real thing, these ballots are counted only by the whimsy and rules of a state's top elections official; and in Ohio, that gives a virtually ballot veto to Bush-Cheney campaign co-chair, Blackwell.

Mr. Blackwell has a few rules to make sure a large proportion of provisional ballots won't be counted. For the first time in memory, the Secretary of State has banned counting ballots cast in the "wrong" precinct, though all neighborhoods share the same President.

Over 155,000 Ohio voters were shunted to these second-class ballots. The election-shifting bulge in provisional ballots (more than 3% of the electorate) was the direct result of the national Republican strategy that targeted African-American precincts for mass challenges on election day.

This is the first time in four decades that a political party has systematically barred -- in this case successfully -- hundreds of thousands of Black voters from access to the voting booth. While investigating for BBC Television, we obtained three dozen of the Republican Party's confidential "caging" lists, their title for spreadsheets listing names and addresses of voters they intended to block on any pretext.

We found that every single address of the thousands on these Republican hit lists was located in Black-majority precincts. You might find that nasty and racist. It may also be a crime.

Before 1965, Jim Crow laws in the Deep South did not bar Blacks from voting. Rather, the segregationist game was played by applying minor technical voting requirements only to African-Americans. That year, Congress voted to make profiling and impeding minority voters, even with a legal pretext, a criminal offence under the Voting Rights Act.

But that didn't stop the Republicans of '04. Their legally questionable mass challenge to Black voters is not some low-level dirty tricks operation of local party hacks. Emails we obtained show the lists were copied directly to the Republican National Committee's chief of research and to the director of a state campaign.

Many challenges center on changes of address. On one Republican caging list, 50 addresses changed from Jacksonville to overseas, African-American soldiers shipped Over There.

You don't have to guess the preferences registered on the provisional ballots. Republicans went on a challenging rampage, while Democrats pledged to hold to the tradition of letting voters vote.

Blackwell has said he will count all the "valid" provisional ballots. However, his rigid regulations, like the new guess-your-precinct rule, are rigged to knock out enough voters to keep Bush's skinny lead alive. Other pre-election maneuvers by Republican officials -- late and improbably large purges of voter rolls, rejection of registrations -- maximized the use of provisional ballots which will never be counted. For example, a voter wrongly tagged an ineligible "felon" voter (and there's plenty in that category, mostly African-Americans), will lose their ballot even though they are wrongly identified.

Why single out Ohio? So it also went in New Mexico where ballots of Hispanic voters (two-to-one Kerry supporters) spoil at a rate five times that of white voters. Add in the astounding 13,000 provisional ballots in the Enchanted State -- handed out "like candy" to Hispanic, not white, voters according to a director of the Catholic Church's get-out-the-vote drive -- and Kerry wins New Mexico. Just count up the votes … but that won't happen.

Bush gave Miguel Cotto a blowjob right before Cotto took that picture in Borikua's sig... cotto looks like a ****ing idiot! LOL! cotto definately just got sum head right before dat pic
does no one agree wit me about COtto looking like he got sum right b4 he took this pic???

I know that they are long but i ask you to read, so if for nothin else to say that you at least took the time to learn about something

well pbds, Next

Bump ^^^^^^^

... disprove its validity.
WTF? Is this a logical statement? If it's valid, what's to disprove? I smoke BC Bud and can't come up with that kinda' buzzed out ****.

And, regarding Bush. He's creating a great future for all Americans. So he says.

You're a little outdated on Number 5 concerning the Saudi Arabian Prince.

Just thought I'd point that out.

You're a little outdated on Number 5 concerning the Saudi Arabian Prince.

Just thought I'd point that out.


How do you figure

He's dead. Died a month ago. Replace him with his half brother and Saudi Arabia is still five.

Runwith knives: u like this pic?
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/mnash_98/klitschkobrewster38.jpg

How about this one Cardinal Boy?

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040819/040819_eli_manning_hmed.hmedium.jpg

PWNED.

Its King Abdullah now. He was crown prince until King Fahd died a month ago.

If you can read, youd know I only have this Cardinals stuff for a member that promised me a bil in points.
How about this one Cardinal Boy?

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040819/040819_eli_manning_hmed.hmedium.jpg

PWNED.

If you can read, youd know I only have this Cardinals stuff for a member that promised me a bil in points.

That constitutes Pwnage in my book as well.

2 x Pwnage.

Its King Abdullah now. He was crown prince until King Fahd died a month ago.


Saudi officials said King Abdullah, who is believed to be at least 80 and has run most of the kingdom's affairs since his half brother suffered a stroke in 1995, would maintain its close alliance with the West.

I didnt say King Fahd did I. I said Abdullah. Come on guys pay attention.

Saudi officials said King Abdullah, who is believed to be at least 80 and has run most of the kingdom's affairs since his half brother suffered a stroke in 1995, would maintain its close alliance with the West.

I didnt say King Fahd did I. I said Abdullah. Come on guys pay attention.


I stand corrected.

I stand corrected.

you so cool MCM. Sorry if i came across rude.

Lets see,


he's put us in a ****load of debt.

He's cut taxes for the rich and ****ed the poor and middle class

He's took us into a war that we supposedly won 3 years ago but are still fighting in.

He sent the employment rate to the lowest point it's ever been.



just a few of the great things he's done.

you so cool MCM. Sorry if i came across rude.


Nope. If I am wrong, I admit it. :)

If more people would set their pride aside, the world would be nicer to live in.

Doesn't change when it comes to opinions though, only facts. :rolleyes:

1. Helped hold interest rates at the lowest they have consistently been in the history of this country. Yeah, I know Greenspan calls the overnight shots but monetary policy of the admin and Greenspan doing the Presidents bidding is common knowledge. Low interest rates are signs of a future failing economyLow interest rates are signs of a future failing economy

2. Rid the world of one the most brutal dictators who ever lived. And in the process just may help democracy spread in the middle east. If the Iraq situation leads to a Democratic brushfire then it was worth it. We can't even keep track of our own child molesters and keep our children safe. He is not trying to spread Democracy he is making sure his dollars keep growing. IT IS ABOUT PETRO PEOPLE!!! CHANEY=HALLIBURTON

3. Protected this country from another terrorist attack since 9/11. and you believe this how?

4. Kept a retard like Kerry out of the white house This statement shows you have no reasoning behind your feelings. Let me guess...you are homophobe!

5. Pissed off all the bleeding heart libs and leftist media outlets with his presidential win. and this is a positive affect to the population how exactly?undefined

....I could give ya 1-100 at least but I'm trying to watch a ball game.



I love the way people repeat what they hear in the media without even properly doing research or taking the time to read bills or how they are affecting their daily lives. I say that all pro-Bush fans should support their president and go to war.

The lowest US interest rates for 40 years have helped keep the American economy afloat, especially through strong consumer spending. But companies are still struggling to make profits in an environment of low prices while saddled with debt accumulated in the 1990s boom. Analysts thought companies would be over the worst by now, but the stream of profit warnings and credit downgrades shows no sign of drying up.
Well, it should be noted that the coexistence of "the lowest U.S. interest rates in 40 years" and accumulating debt is not merely a coincidence. When your central bank is giving away basically free money, and the legislature is stealing money from workers in order to write billions of dollars in corporate welfare checks, the amount of investment is artificially jacked up. That will jack up the economy temporarily, but eventually the chickens will come home to roost: artificially low interest rates means artificially high malinvestment - pouring cheap money into bad projects because the risk is artificially lowered. We are now living with the hangover of our central planners' and corporate bureaucrats' long investment binge in the 1990s.
The Bush apparatchiks, of course, have been trying to blame this all on Clinton. And certainly Clinton's economic policies helped create the bubble economy and continued the long tradition of massive corporate welfare giveaways. Rush Limbaugh has gone so far as to claim that every single problem Bush faces - from international terrorism to the going-nowhere economy - is not, in fact, the result of any of his own numerous ****-ups, collusions of interest, or back-room deals. Instead, it's all messes that Clinton left for Bush to clean up. Why? Because Clinton was too distracted by the Monica Lewinski investigation!
Let's get serious, folks. We have an administration in power that is dedicated to increasing command and control over the economy by central planning bureaucrats - in corporate boardrooms and in government offices. The economy has been weak for the entire Bush Presidency and it shows no signs of letting up. He's had a year and a half now; by now, even the lagging indicators (such as unemployment levels) are reflecting decisions made under the Bush administration. The problem is that the Democratic leadership is too spineless and too cowed and too much in collusion with the same corporate interests to point out that Bush's policies have been making things worse, not better. Once again, more proof that we desperately need a system that allows for vibrant third parties in America. We desperately need a lot of other things, too--like an end to corporate welfare and centralized command-and-control over the economy--but until we have some basic democracy reforms we are very unlikely to get any of that.


....That doesn't prove jack **** and reading an article means nothing. The "fact" is that homeownership is at an all time high, minority homeownership is at an all time high, interest rates have maintained an all time low, and housing values have maintained a steady increase the likes of which have never been seen before. Copying and pasting articles and living in the real world with a real job in the business in question are two different things. Next!!!!

Why not these fine fellows instead. They sound a little worse to me.



1. Omar al-Bashir, Sudan.
Age 61. In power since 1989.
Last year’s rank: 7
A colossal humanitarian tragedy in western Sudan’s Darfur region has uprooted 2 million people and killed 70,000, mostly through the activities of government-supported militias. This is nothing new in Sudan, where Omar al-Bashir, its dictator, has engaged in ethnic and religious persecution since seizing power in a military coup. Sudan has 6 million internally displaced persons—more than any other nation. In southern Sudan, where Christianity and traditional religions are practiced, Bashir tried to impose Islamic law in a campaign that included aerial bombing of villages and enslavement of women and children. His forces met with armed resistance, escalating to what some called a civil war between Muslims and Christians. (In Darfur, meanwhile, he has been killing Muslims.) Last month, Bashir signed a cease-fire with rebels in the south. It allows government troops to remain in southern Sudan and prohibits southerners from voting for independence for six years.


2. Kim Jong Il, North Korea.
Age 62. In power since 1994.
Last year’s rank: 1
Kim Jong Il slipped from first place, but not for want of trying. North Korea still ranks last in Reporters Without Borders’ international index of press freedom, and it earned Freedom House’s worst score for political rights and civil liberties for the 33rd straight year (a world record). The Ministry of People’s Security places spies in workplaces and neighborhoods to inform on anyone who criticizes the regime, even at home. All radios and TV sets are fixed to receive only government stations. Disloyalty to Kim Jong Il and his late father, Kim Il Sung, is a punishable crime: Offenses include allowing pictures of either leader to gather dust or be torn or folded. The population is divided into “loyalty groups.” One-third belong to the “hostile class.” These people receive the worst jobs and housing and may not live in the capital, Pyongyang. Below the hostiles are the estimated 250,000 held in prison camps, some for crimes allegedly committed by relatives. Executions often are performed in public.


3. Than Shwe, Burma.
Age 72. In power since 1992.
Last year’s rank: 2
In response to world opinion, Gen. Than Shwe freed 9000 prisoners, but hopes for a new liberalism faded when only 40 were political detainees (among more than 1000 still being held). The rest were common criminals. Than Shwe extended the house arrest of Nobel Peace Prize-winner Aung San Suu Kyi, whose party won 80% of the vote in the last open election (1990). The arrest of opposition members resumed. Freedom of expression is not allowed; unlicensed possession of a fax machine or modem is punishable by 15 years in prison. To relocate ethnic minorities, the army destroyed 3000 villages and drove 1.2 million Burmese from their homes. In a landmark case, Unocal Corp. of California agreed to pay damages to Burmese villagers who said the military used torture, rape or murder to force them to work on the company’s pipeline.


4. Hu Jintao, China.
Age 62. In power since 2002.
Last year’s rank: 3
Despite China’s economic liberalization, President Hu Jintao’s government remains one of the most repressive. Some 250,000 Chinese are serving sentences in “re-education and labor camps.” China executes more people than all other nations combined, often for nonviolent crimes. The death penalty can be given for burglary, embezzlement, counterfeiting, bribery or killing a panda. Hu’s government controls all media and Internet use. Defense lawyers who argue too vigorously for clients’ rights may be disbarred or imprisoned. And if minorities (such as Tibetans) speak out for autonomy, they’re labeled “terrorists,” imprisoned and tortured.


5. Crown Prince Abdullah, Saudi Arabia.
Age 81. In power since 1995.
Last year’s rank: 5
Bending under strong international pressure, Crown Prince Abdullah and his family, who have absolute power, are holding Saudi Arabia’s first elections in 40 years—municipal elections, that is. Women may not vote or run for office, owing to “technical difficulties”: Most Saudi women don’t have the photo IDs needed to register; there aren’t enough female officials to register those who do; and men may not register women, because the sexes are forbidden to mingle in public. Worldwide, the royal family promotes an extreme form of Islam called Wahhabism, which considers all followers of other religions—even other Muslims—“infidels.” In 2004, the U.S. State Department added Saudi Arabia to its list of nations in which religious liberty is severely violated.


6. Muammar al-Qaddafi, Libya.
Age 62. In power since 1969.
Last year’s rank:
Dishonorable mention
Increasingly annoyed by other Arab leaders, Qaddafi—once considered a supporter of terrorism —has gone to great lengths to re-establish links with the West. He turned over a perpetrator of the 1988 terrorist bombing of an American commercial flight over Lockerbie, Scotland, and made substantial payments to families of the victims of both the Lockerbie bombing and that of a French plane. He gave up his nuclear weapons program and is opening his nation’s economy to foreign investment. Yet at home he continues to run a brutal dictatorship, maintaining total control over all aspects of Libyan life. Freedom of speech, assembly and religion are harshly restricted. Entire families, tribes and even towns can be punished for “collective guilt.” Political opposition and damaging public or private property are considered “crimes against the state.”


7. Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan.
Age 61. In power since 1999.
Last year’s rank: Not mentioned
Two years after seizing power in a military coup that overthrew an elected government, Gen. Pervez Musharraf appointed himself president of Pakistan. He recently agreed to step down as head of the military, then reversed his decision, claiming that he was best suited to unite Pakistan’s contentious political and military elements. “The country is more important than democracy,” he said. Pakistan has endangered the world by spreading nuclear technology. Last year, it was discovered that Abdul Qadeer Khan, head of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, had been selling nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran. As for civil liberties in Pakistan, a woman who has been raped may present her case only if she can produce four Muslim men who witnessed the attack.


8. Saparmurat Niyazov, Turkmenistan.
Age 64. In power since 1990.
Last year’s rank: 8
Niyazov has developed an overbearing personality cult that crushes dissent and invades all aspects of life in Turkmenistan, no matter how trivial. He controls his one-party state with torture, disappearances, detentions, house demolitions, forced labor and exile. He muzzles all media, and it is illegal to criticize any of his policies. Statues of Niyazov appear everywhere, and his picture is on all denominations of money. His “moral guide,” Rukhnama (Book of the Soul), is required reading for students, married couples and even applicants for a driver’s license. Female newscasters may not wear makeup, nor may young men wear beards, long hair or gold teeth.


9. Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe.
Age 80. In power since 1980.
Last year’s rank: 4
After leading an anti-colonial war of liberation, Mugabe was elected Zimbabwe’s first prime minister, raising hopes for a new era of democracy. But he has turned increasingly dictatorial and run his country into the ground. Average life expectancy in Zimbabwe is 33 years—among the lowest in the world. One of Mugabe’s many repressive laws deems it a crime “to make an abusive, indecent or obscene statement” about him. He continues to hold elections, but opposition is discouraged. Looking toward a vote in March, the parliament passed a law banning from Zimbabwe any human-rights or civil-liberties group that receives money from abroad. In other words, independent election monitors will not be allowed.


10. Teodoro Obiang Nguema,
Equatorial Guinea. Age 62.
In power since 1979. Last year’s rank: 6
Since major oil reserves were discovered there in 1995, U.S. oil companies have poured $5 billion into this tiny West African nation. Most of the oil income goes to President Obiang and his family, while the majority of the people live on less than $1 a day. Some American oil companies are being investigated for improprieties involving Obiang. The U.S. State Department has accused Obiang’s government of committing torture. In November, 20 people—including 11 foreign nationals —were sentenced to prison for an alleged coup attempt. The only evidence against them, says Amnesty International, were confessions extracted through torture


...Exactly how did that refute my point???? My point was that he rid the world of a brutal dictator. Did you refute that? NO you didn't. Sit the **** down.

The Bush administration has been staggeringly ineffectual in its response to the rapidly deteriorating situation in New Orleans. Its failures are painful evidence of how far we have to go in developing the capability to respond rapidly to a mass-casualty disaster.
The president's statement this week set the tone. Rather than direct the U.S. military to immediately assist the thousands of people without food or water in the city center, Bush assured the nation that expected gasoline shortages would be temporary and that his father and former President Clinton were ready to pass the tin can to ensure private-sector support for rebuilding New Orleans. As people began dying around the Convention Center, and Mayor Ray Nagin resorted to issuing a pathetic SOS over CNN, Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff spoke empathetically of the suffering of the people in New Orleans. But somehow he seemed proud that 72 hours after the hurricane hit, only 2,800 National Guardsmen had come to the city. The number is about to reach 12,000 by tomorrow. That is awfully late for the people stranded there. Yet Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, who is commanding the military component of Washington's response, pleaded for patience from the people of New Orleans, promising that the U.S. Army was "building the capability" to help them.
Building the capability? How is it possible that with the fourth anniversary of 9/11 almost upon us, the federal government doesn't have in hand the capability to prepare for and then manage a large urban disaster, natural or man-made? In terms of the challenge to government, there is little difference between a terrorist attack that wounds many people and renders a significant portion of a city uninhabitable, and the fallout this week from the failure of one of New Orleans' major levees. Indeed, a terrorist could have chosen a levee for his target. Or a dirty-bomb attack in New Orleans could have caused the same sort of forced evacuation we are seeing and the widespread sickness that is likely to follow.
Chertoff's Department of Homeland Security demonstrated today that it could organize an impressive press conference in Washington, lining up every participating civilian or military service from the Coast Guard to the Federal Emergency Management Agency to promise its cooperation. But on the ground in Louisiana, where it counts, DHS is turning out to be the sum of its inefficient parts. The department looks like what its biggest critics predicted: a new level of bureaucracy grafted onto a collection of largely ineffectual under-agencies.
What has DHS been doing if not readying itself and its subcomponents for a likely disaster? The collapse of a New Orleans levee has long led a list of worst-case urban crisis scenarios. The dots had already been connected. Over the last century, New Orleans has sunk 3 feet deeper below sea level. With each inch, pressure grows along the levees. Meanwhile the loss of wetlands and the shrinking of the Gulf Coast's barrier islands have reduced the natural protection from hurricane winds. The weakness of the levees was underscored in a 2002 wide-ranging exploration of New Orleans' hurricane vulnerability by the New Orleans Times-Picayune, one of many grimly vindicated Cassandras. The U.S. Army Corp of Engineers, which built the levees and continues to manage them, told the paper then that there was little threat of a levee's collapse. But the corps admitted that its estimates were 40 years old and that no one had bothered to update them.
The response to Katrina thus far indicates two flaws in the Bush administration's thinking about homeland security. The federal government hasn't learned how to plan for a tragedy that demands putting a city on sustained life-support, as opposed to a one-moment-in-time attack that requires recovering the dead and injured from debris and then quickly rebuilding. And DHS appears unwilling to plan for the early use of the U.S. military to cope with a civilian tragedy. Presidential administrations have perennially underestimated the difficulty of the latter task. In 1962, President John F. Kennedy's top aide, Kenneth O'Donnell, thought it would be easy to deploy troops rapidly to defend James Meredith when he was attacked by segregationists while trying to enroll as the University of Mississippi's first black student. "If the President of the United States calls up and says, 'Get your ass down there,' " O'Donnell said, "I would think they'd be on a ****ing plane in about five minutes." Kennedy made that call. But then, in spite of O'Donnell's prediction, he watched in frustration as the army dithered for hours before deploying to Oxford, Miss.
The Kennedy administration thus learned that the army must be told in advance what to do. As a matter of law and preference, the military does little training for domestic missions. It balks and mutters about posse comitatus, the legal principle that prohibits the use of the army for law enforcement, and leaves the hard work for the National Guard and state and local authorities. This has made sense most of the time. But in an era when we are supposed to be better prepared for an urban disaster, the tradition of allowing local and state authorities to be overwhelmed before the federal government and military step in should have been rethought.
Located only three hours from New Orleans is Fort Polk, home of the 4th Brigade of the 10th Mountain Division, a light infantry unit with about 3,000 soldiers. Also at Fort Polk is the Joint Readiness Training Center, which prepares military units to respond rapidly to crises abroad. The 4th Brigade has been training for duty in Afghanistan. Why was it also not ready to take on a local disaster scenario in hurricane season? Or at the least, once the National Hurricane Center predicted that the eye of Katrina would come close to New Orleans, couldn't DHS have deployed the military to help shore up the levees?
And in the event of a WMD attack, when there would likely be no warning at all, what is DHS's contingency plan for moving into position the army or the marines to restore order and sustain life? In the wake of Katrina and the breached levee, the answer seems to be not much of one. In the wake of 9/11, that is worse than incomprehensible. It is unforgivable.



....Again, copying and pasting an article just shows that you can't think for yourself and does not refute the fact that we have not had another terrorist attack since 9/11. The is ****ing easy!!

Ken Blackwell, Ohio's Secretary of State, told his State Senate President, "The possibility of a close election with punch cards as the state’s primary voting device invites a Florida-like calamity." Blackwell, co-chair of Bush-Cheney reelection campaign, wasn't warning his fellow Republican of disaster, but boasting of an opportunity to bring in Ohio for Team Bush no matter what the voters wanted. And most voters in Ohio wanted JFK, not GWB. But their choice won't count because their votes won't be counted.

The ballots that add up to a majority for John Kerry in Ohio -- and in New Mexico -- are locked up in two Republican hidey-holes: "spoiled" ballots and "provisional" ballots.

American democracy has a dark little secret. In a typical presidential election, two million ballots are simply chucked in the garbage, marked "spoiled" and not counted. A dive into the electoral dumpster reveals something special about these votes left to rot. In a careful county-by-county, precinct-by-precinct analysis of the Florida 2000 race, the US Civil Rights Commission discovered that 54% of the votes in the spoilage bin were cast by African-Americans. And Florida, Heaven help us, is typical. Nationwide, the number of Black votes "disappeared" into the spoiled pile is approximately one million. The other million in the no-count pit come mainly from Hispanic, Native-American and poor white precincts, a decidedly Democratic demographic.



Ohio Republicans, simultaneously in charge of both the Bush-Cheney get-out-the-vote drive and the state's vote-counting rules, doggedly and systematically insured the spoilage pile would be as high as the White House.

Vote spoilage comes in two flavors. There are "overvotes" -- too many punches in the cards, and "undervotes." Here we find the hanging, dimpled and "pregnant" chads created by old, dysfunctional punch card machines, in which the bit of paper covering the hole doesn't fall out, but hangs on. Machines can't read these, but we humans, who know a hole when we see one, have no problem reading these cards … if allowed to. This is how Katherine Harris defeated Al Gore, by halting the hand count of the spoiled punch cards not, as is generally believed, by halting a "recount."

Whose chads are left hanging? In Florida in 2000 federal investigators determined that Black voters' ballots spoiled 900% more often than white voters, mainly due to punch card error. Ohio Republicans found those racial odds quite attractive. The state was the only one of fifty to refuse to eliminate or fix these vote-eating machines, even in the face of a lawsuit by the ACLU.

Apparently, the Ohio Republicans like what the ACLU found. The civil rights group's expert testimony concluded that Ohio's cussed insistence on forcing 73% of its electorate to use punch card machines had an "overwhelming" racial bias, voiding votes mostly in Black precincts. Blackwell doesn't disagree; and he hopes to fix the machinery … sometime after George Bush's next inauguration. In the meantime, the state's Attorney General Jim Petro, a Republican, strategically postponed the trial date of the ACLU case until after the election.

Fixing a punch card machine is cheap and easy. If Ohio simply placed a card-reading machine in each polling station, as Michigan did this year, voters could have checked to ensure their vote would tally. If not, they would have gotten another card.
Blackwell knows that. He also knows that if those reading machines had been installed, almost all the 93,000 spoiled votes, overwhelmingly Democratic, would have closed the gap on George Bush's lead of 136,000 votes.

Add to the spoiled ballots a second group of uncounted votes, the 'provisional' ballots, and -- voila! -- the White House would have turned Democrat blue.

But that won't happen because of the peculiar way provisional ballots are counted or, more often, not counted. Introduced by federal law in 2002, the provisional ballot was designed especially for voters of color. Proposed by the Congressional Black Caucus to save the rights of those wrongly scrubbed from voter rolls, it was, in Republican-controlled swing states, twisted into a back-of-the-bus ballot unlikely to be tallied.

Unlike the real thing, these ballots are counted only by the whimsy and rules of a state's top elections official; and in Ohio, that gives a virtually ballot veto to Bush-Cheney campaign co-chair, Blackwell.

Mr. Blackwell has a few rules to make sure a large proportion of provisional ballots won't be counted. For the first time in memory, the Secretary of State has banned counting ballots cast in the "wrong" precinct, though all neighborhoods share the same President.

Over 155,000 Ohio voters were shunted to these second-class ballots. The election-shifting bulge in provisional ballots (more than 3% of the electorate) was the direct result of the national Republican strategy that targeted African-American precincts for mass challenges on election day.

This is the first time in four decades that a political party has systematically barred -- in this case successfully -- hundreds of thousands of Black voters from access to the voting booth. While investigating for BBC Television, we obtained three dozen of the Republican Party's confidential "caging" lists, their title for spreadsheets listing names and addresses of voters they intended to block on any pretext.

We found that every single address of the thousands on these Republican hit lists was located in Black-majority precincts. You might find that nasty and racist. It may also be a crime.

Before 1965, Jim Crow laws in the Deep South did not bar Blacks from voting. Rather, the segregationist game was played by applying minor technical voting requirements only to African-Americans. That year, Congress voted to make profiling and impeding minority voters, even with a legal pretext, a criminal offence under the Voting Rights Act.

But that didn't stop the Republicans of '04. Their legally questionable mass challenge to Black voters is not some low-level dirty tricks operation of local party hacks. Emails we obtained show the lists were copied directly to the Republican National Committee's chief of research and to the director of a state campaign.

Many challenges center on changes of address. On one Republican caging list, 50 addresses changed from Jacksonville to overseas, African-American soldiers shipped Over There.

You don't have to guess the preferences registered on the provisional ballots. Republicans went on a challenging rampage, while Democrats pledged to hold to the tradition of letting voters vote.

Blackwell has said he will count all the "valid" provisional ballots. However, his rigid regulations, like the new guess-your-precinct rule, are rigged to knock out enough voters to keep Bush's skinny lead alive. Other pre-election maneuvers by Republican officials -- late and improbably large purges of voter rolls, rejection of registrations -- maximized the use of provisional ballots which will never be counted. For example, a voter wrongly tagged an ineligible "felon" voter (and there's plenty in that category, mostly African-Americans), will lose their ballot even though they are wrongly identified.

Why single out Ohio? So it also went in New Mexico where ballots of Hispanic voters (two-to-one Kerry supporters) spoil at a rate five times that of white voters. Add in the astounding 13,000 provisional ballots in the Enchanted State -- handed out "like candy" to Hispanic, not white, voters according to a director of the Catholic Church's get-out-the-vote drive -- and Kerry wins New Mexico. Just count up the votes … but that won't happen.



...lol lol lol I didn't even read that whole cut and past bull**** since right away I saw the Ohio and stolen election conspiracy theory. ha ha ha That **** is old news and if there was anything to it the Demswould never ever let it go. Kerry himself let it go because he knew there was nothing there. Again, Bush still won the election and kept Kerry's dumb ass out of the whitehouse. How again did you refute this point??

well pbds, Next


...Sorry bro, I didn't sit on the edge of my sit waiting for you to "refute" my five points. I actually went to bed because the game sucked and I had to get up early in the morning. You went a sterling 0-5 by the way on only gave additional information in an attempt to bash the president. Your thinking way too much about who the president is and how it effects you when in the end this is still the greatest country in the world and you should be happy you live in it. If you are so consumed with how ****ed up things are I suggest you may want to pack up your bags and head north.

Bush has given us plenty...........









of nut-huggers that don't listen to reason.

Bush has given us plenty...........









of nut-huggers that don't listen to reason.


...back in the closet with thee!!!!

...Sorry bro, I didn't sit on the edge of my sit waiting for you to "refute" my five points. I actually went to bed because the game sucked and I had to get up early in the morning. You went a sterling 0-5 by the way on only gave additional information in an attempt to bash the president. Your thinking way too much about who the president is and how it effects you when in the end this is still the greatest country in the world and you should be happy you live in it. If you are so consumed with how ****ed up things are I suggest you may want to pack up your bags and head north.

Oh I see, that's the way it goes. You don't like someone, you try to pawn him off on us :) .

I think for anyone that thinks Bush has done a great job, this what I have to say to you all. :liar: :liar: Sorry guys it's the truth!

I think for anyone that thinks Bush has done a great job, this what I have to say to you all. :liar: :liar: Sorry guys it's the truth!


...Who said he's done a great job, I just don't think he is the anti-christ. Part of New Orleans falls on him and the response was a **** up for sure.

Oh I see, that's the way it goes. You don't like someone, you try to pawn him off on us :) .


....Oh, I like Rasta fine, I just don't agree with some of his views on politics. I also think the bashing of the president thing is old and played. It's not so much guys like Rasta that start it but then you get these 17 year old kids contributing thoughts like "Bush is a ****socker", "I hate that ***" etc. etc. Disgusting **** to be saying about a sitting president of the United States.

....Oh, I like Rasta fine, I just don't agree with some of his views on politics. I also think the bashing of the president thing is old and played. It's not so much guys like Rasta that start it but then you get these 17 year old kids contributing thoughts like "Bush is a ****socker", "I hate that ***" etc. etc. Disgusting **** to be saying about a sitting president of the United States.

Oh yeah, I hear you, there are a lot of kids on this site that say stupid **** like that. I don't know, I don't really buy the argument that anyone in power is "evil" or anything. Okay, maybe Hitler was, but everything these days is done by committee and when bad things happen it's more because certain practices have become institutionalized.

Both you and Rasta and a lot of other people here with varying political views know your stuff and put up great posts, and I just try to ignore the less mature element.

If they think Bush is bad, they should have been alive when Harding or Grant was the President. They'd know bad then.

That's the only good thing he did..

9/11 would have NEVER happened if it wasn't for that cunt ugly ****** dickeating ****** ass bush, i like to piss in bushes.

Single-dumbest thing I have ever read. Well, second. When martin said Calzaghe has a better resume than Hopkins, that takes the cake.

Bush got rid of Saddam, got free education and vaccinations in Iraq, and also you have to credit him for the U.S. not sustaining another terrorist attack since 9-11.

I wonder if Super_Lightweight still blames the british government for not responding fast enough.

Especially since Bush was man enough to admit his failure for the Hurricane relief... now only if he could do that with the war in Iraq.
If they think Bush is bad, they should have been alive when Harding or Grant was the President. They'd know bad then.



Single-dumbest thing I have ever read. Well, second. When martin said Calzaghe has a better resume than Hopkins, that takes the cake.

Bush got rid of Saddam, got free education and vaccinations in Iraq, and also you have to credit him for the U.S. not sustaining another terrorist attack since 9-11.

Are you thanking Bush for the 2,000 Americans and 25,000-100,000 Iraqi civilians killed too?

I wonder if Super_Lightweight still blames the british government for not responding fast enough.

Never did. Learn to read properly. We've been through this. It went way over your head obviously. Next time you make this claim I will consider it a straight lie instead of a mistake.

Are you thanking Bush for the 2,000 Americans and 25,000-100,000 Iraqi civilians killed too?

Are you thanking the terrorists who killed thousands of soldiers and civilians?

Guess not.

I love the way people repeat what they hear in the media without even properly doing research or taking the time to read bills or how they are affecting their daily lives. I say that all pro-Bush fans should support their president and go to war.


Good points, but already stated in this thread

I say that all pro-Bush fans should support their president and go to war.

I say all ppl who bash Bush should move to France.

Now does that make sense? Ok...

:confused:

Don't be a dumbass.

I know, I know, baby, it's hard, but do please try.

...Exactly how did that refute my point???? My point was that he rid the world of a brutal dictator. Did you refute that? NO you didn't. Sit the **** down.

You said he was one of the most brutal dictators in history, so i wanted to show you what real brutal dictators were like. Saddamn had lost all capability to do ****. If you notice, none of these places have oil, and the ones that do, we make sure to protect. So, you sayin he was one of the most brutal dictators in history, is kinda out the window, when i can name 10 current tyrants much worse. Imagine I went back like 1000 years and started naming dictators.

And these article are from wallsteet journal, LA times, Fresno bee, and usa today. Pretty reputible sources if you ask me.


I understand you views pbds, i just disagree with anyone who says that bush has made leeps and bounds for our country, (Not sayin you did) He has hurt us more then any president in the last 50 years. People say that most of Bushes problems stimmed from the clinton administration, and that is only partially true. Yes some of the problems he encountered was because of Clinton, But hey, Clintons biggest Knock was that he lied under oath about getting his dick sucked, bushes was the fact that he has killed over 200,000 civilians in Iraq. As well as lied to the country.


So since you dispute what i thought Dispute this which was posted a while ago.



Presidents Bush's 50 Greatest Accomplishments.

1. I attacked and took over two countries.
2. I spent the US surplus and bankrupted the US treasury.
3. I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy)
4. I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
5. I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
6. I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
7. I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
8. In my first year in office I set the all-time record for the most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).
9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
10. I set the record for most campaign raising trips by any president in US history.
11. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.
12. I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.
13. I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.
14. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other president in US history.
15. I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.
16. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
17. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.
18. I cut health-care benefits for war veterans.
19. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any one person in the history of mankind.
20. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
21. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
22. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history (the poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).
23. I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.
24. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.
25. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
26. I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the US.
27. I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Reagan was hard to beat, but I did it!!!)
28. I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations to remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.
29. I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
30. I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.
31. I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
32. I withdrew from the World Court Of Law.
33. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
34. I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations elections inspectors access during the 2002 elections.
35. I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for the most corporate campaign donations.
36. The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of EnronCorporation)
37. I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
38. I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).
39. I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
40. I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
41. I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
42. I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
43. I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US laws by not selling their huge investments in corporations that later made bids for gov. contracts.
44. I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
45. I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the Civil War.
46. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
47. I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
48. I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
49. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigation into my insider trading or bankrupted companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
50. All minutes of meetings of any public corporations for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

...Exactly how did that refute my point???? My point was that he rid the world of a brutal dictator. Did you refute that? NO you didn't. Sit the **** down.

Lets not overstate the Iraq situation. He rid IRAQ (and IRAN arguably) of a tiger that had already lost its fangs. Saddam was no threat to the world.

He committed troops and resources to this endeavor while Osama Bin Laden was still very much at large.

I say all ppl who bash Bush should move to France.

Now does that make sense? Ok...

:confused:

Don't be a dumbass.

I know, I know, baby, it's hard, but do please try.


Can't handle fighting for your country can you? or actually being part of helping your own community. I bet you just set on your lazy ass waving a flag that you are not even willing to fight for. What do you do to make this place a better place?

Just sit on your fat lazy ass and keep living off your parents until you can live off your children

Can't handle fighting for your country can you? or actually being part of helping your own community. I bet you just set on your lazy ass waving a flag that you are not even willing to fight for. What do you do to make this place a better place?

Just sit on your fat lazy ass and keep living off your parents until you can live off your children

LOL...you calling me fat. Classic.

I don't waive any flags actually, but maybe I should. I guess it's shameful to be patriotic though, right? I forgot I guess.

I help my community plenty by getting an education, following the law, paying my bills, and taking care of myself and being respectful to others around me.

I don't live off my parents, I don't even live within 200 miles of them. Why don't you go fight for this country, asswipe? Why should I do it anymore than you? I want to box, not fight wars.

Twinkies are your friend.

LOL...you calling me fat. Classic.

I don't waive any flags actually, but maybe I should. I guess it's shameful to be patriotic though, right? I forgot I guess.

I help my community plenty by getting an education, following the law, paying my bills, and taking care of myself and being respectful to others around me.

I don't live off my parents, I don't even live within 200 miles of them. Why don't you go fight for this country, asswipe? Why should I do it anymore than you? I want to box, not fight wars.

Twinkies are your friend.


...Maybe she thinks that Larry Allen pic is you?? :)

From Rodgers=Bust Especially since Bush was man enough to admit his failure for the Hurricane relief... now only if he could do that with the war in Iraq.

Who's you Daddy?

I am. Now quit crying and get me a beer you little punk.

You said he was one of the most brutal dictators in history, so i wanted to show you what real brutal dictators were like. Saddamn had lost all capability to do ****. If you notice, none of these places have oil, and the ones that do, we make sure to protect. So, you sayin he was one of the most brutal dictators in history, is kinda out the window, when i can name 10 current tyrants much worse. Imagine I went back like 1000 years and started naming dictators.


...Yeah your right, in retrospect he is a real mother Teresa. Your opinion of 10 Tyrants much worse means nothing. Nobody knows exactly how many people Sadam has murdered but's surely it's well over 250,000 people. A dictator that murders his own people and tests his chemical warfare on them is as bad as it gets. This same guy had a terrorist breeding ground within his country and was known to produce chemical weapons in the past with the intent to use them on Israel and the US. Yeah, now that I think of it, your absolutely right. Hell, I bet there are milions of dictators worse than this Misdemeanor commiting old softy.

1. I attacked and took over two countries. Took over? I believe those countries respectivly govern themselves.
2. I spent the US surplus and bankrupted the US treasury. I may not be 100% on this, but I believe the surplus was crashing right before Bush took office.
3. I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy) Most households have bigger debt by far when you compare dollar to dollar.
4. I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period. Because, people on the bubble are filing before the new rules took place.
5. I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market. Right after 9/11 I assume?
6. I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. So?
7. I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record. Yep somehow slick willie escaped formal perjury charges.
8. In my first year in office I set the all-time record for the most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did). He does just as much work at his ranch as he does in the white house.
9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. Ask the clinton admin. why millitary intell could not! talk to CIA or FBI. they had a make on the terrorist but were not allowed to discuss with other agencies!
10. I set the record for most campaign raising trips by any president in US history.
11. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs. Unemployment is low right now.
12. I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.
Im goint to have to skip some of these. I actually have **** to do.
13. I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.
14. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other president in US history.
15. I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV. SO?
16. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
17. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.
18. I cut health-care benefits for war veterans.
19. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any one person in the history of mankind.
20. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
21. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
22. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history (the poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).
23. I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy. State budget or personal level? States need to be solvent, same as people.
24. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world. Not his fault
25. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
26. I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the US.
27. I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Reagan was hard to beat, but I did it!!!)
28. I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations to remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.
29. I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
30. I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.
31. I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. No way! They have always been irrelevent, the truth is now out.
32. I withdrew from the World Court Of Law.
33. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
34. I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations elections inspectors access during the 2002 elections. The UN does not govern the US.
35. I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for the most corporate campaign donations.
36. The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of EnronCorporation)
37. I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. Doubtfull, Im sure Clinton has this hands down.
38. I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1). What? hide? He went back to Washington that night!
39. I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government. How secret is it if its appearing on a boxing website.
40. I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
41. I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
42. I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. Vilsak in Iowa allowed felons the right to vote.
43. I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US laws by not selling their huge investments in corporations that later made bids for gov. contracts.
44. I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. The patriot act
45. I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the Civil War.
46. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
47. I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
48. I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. Was not AWOL, thats been proven.
49. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigation into my insider trading or bankrupted companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
50. All minutes of meetings of any public corporations for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
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you have respectable points..........wrong, but respectable none the less. Can you provide anything to back your claims.

you have respectable points..........wrong, but respectable none the less. Can you provide anything to back your claims.


...Can you provide any hard evidence to back you claims? A great deal of them are exagerations and half truths.

Rasta, this guys all on Bush's nuts, Im just trying to figure out which of Bush's nuts is he? The left or the right.
...Can you provide any hard evidence to back you claims? A great deal of them are exagerations and half truths.

Of course he can't. That would require real facts and logic. You see, it's impossible to confuse liberals with fact and logic. They have already made up their imagination.

Rasta, this guys all on Bush's nuts, Im just trying to figure out which of Bush's nuts is he? The left or the right.

Silence. You self-hating ***** boy.

Rasta, this guys all on Bush's nuts, Im just trying to figure out which of Bush's nuts is he? The left or the right.


...Silly rabbit, obviously it's the "right".

Yeah, I forgot, he was missing a nut. Especially since the leader of North Korea punked his ass. He met somebody as crazy as him in the North Korean leader.
...Silly rabbit, obviously it's the "right".

...Can you provide any hard evidence to back you claims? A great deal of them are exagerations and half truths.


Look, This is the way it is. Anything i bring up, present, give link to, you will say they are doctored, fake, not realiable. Anything you post will most likely be responded to in the same manner by me. I just wish that you could admit, that our President, is if nothing else, probably the dumbest president (Other then Harding). And that we are worse of then we would have been if Bill Clinton could have been in office when all this **** happened.

...Silly rabbit, obviously it's the "right".



lol, now that was funny

Relax. One day you kids will be old enough to vote.

Look, This is the way it is. Anything i bring up, present, give link to, you will say they are doctored, fake, not realiable. Anything you post will most likely be responded to in the same manner by me. I just wish that you could admit, that our President, is if nothing else, probably the dumbest president (Other then Harding). And that we are worse of then we would have been if Bill Clinton could have been in office when all this **** happened.


....Hey, I have not been completely happy with the way he has run things. I seriously don't think he is dumb and his IQ and schooling would tend to back that. I think he struggles with tripping over his tongue and is not an eloquent speaker in the least. I have no idea what Clinton would have done but if it was anything like when the Cole was bombed then you may have your answer. I do know that Bill would have had several public opinion polls reviewed before he made any kind of move. At least Bush makes a stand and sticks to his guns. Clinton never took a real political gamble and always went with what he thought would be popular. Bush has major balls and stands his ground. He may not be the smartest cat around but he is certainly not dumb. You must know this.

Yeah, I forgot, he was missing a nut. Especially since the leader of North Korea punked his ass. He met somebody as crazy as him in the North Korean leader.


...Hey Nash, did you ever pay Torino for the football thread?

His college was a C average, because his parents were rich. And he has the single lowest admission scores on his SAT at Yale.

....Hey, I have not been completely happy with the way he has run things. I seriously don't think he is dumb and his IQ and schooling would tend to back that. I think he struggles with tripping over his tongue and is not an eloquent speaker in the least. I have no idea what Clinton would have done but if it was anything like when the Cole was bombed then you may have your answer. I do know that Bill would have had several public opinion polls reviewed before he made any kind of move. At least Bush makes a stand and sticks to his guns. Clinton never took a real political gamble and always went with what he thought would be popular. Bush has major balls and stands his ground. He may not be the smartest cat around but he is certainly not dumb. You must know this.

Bush spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history

His college was a C average, because his parents were rich. And he has the single lowest admission scores on his SAT at Yale.

Hell Notre Dame Coach Charley Weiss Recieved a perfect score on his SAT's

His college was a C average, because his parents were rich. And he has the single lowest admission scores on his SAT at Yale.


...Links please???

Pbds is running man, dont give him a link. Hes really trying to distract you. Anyone with above average IQ knows Bush is a moron.
...Links please???

Pbds is running man, dont give him a link. Hes really trying to distract you. Anyone with above average IQ knows Bush is a moron.

Then who told you?

Then who told you?

Yo mama after she gave me a BJ.

PS: Bush is gay.

...Links please???

Hah, I'm supposed to cite my sources now? Feel free to look for the facts on your own. While I might be exagerating, I'm pretty sure I'm correct, or very close to it.

In 1999 the NewYorker obtained a copy of the future president's Yale transcript and revealed that he'd had a C average in college and, more interestingly, scored 1206 on his Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT)--566 on the verbal and 640 on the math.

To find out how this score stacked up, I called Educational Testing Service, publisher of the SAT, and learned that in 1994, SAT scores had been "re-centered." To offset the steady downward drift of test scores over the years, the scoring scale was adjusted upward so that the mean score for both math and verbal was again 500 (the midpoint on a scale of 200 to 800). Those who took the test before 1994 are now entitled to add a prescribed amount to their scores to see how they compare to students today. Having made the necessary adjustment, Little Ed announced, "I got 800 on my verbal! I'm a direct beneficiary of the stupidity of the American public!" Doing the same for Bush gives him 640 on both verbal and math, good enough for 88th percentile on the verbal and 86th in math were he entering college now. Those scores may not be as high as mine, of course, or even Al Gore's (625 verbal, 730 math unadjusted), but they ain't bad.

Hey dude, seriously, the SATS dont MEAN ****! They arent indicators of success nor knowledge. If you've taken them you would know that.
In 1999 the NewYorker obtained a copy of the future president's Yale transcript and revealed that he'd had a C average in college and, more interestingly, scored 1206 on his Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT)--566 on the verbal and 640 on the math.

To find out how this score stacked up, I called Educational Testing Service, publisher of the SAT, and learned that in 1994, SAT scores had been "re-centered." To offset the steady downward drift of test scores over the years, the scoring scale was adjusted upward so that the mean score for both math and verbal was again 500 (the midpoint on a scale of 200 to 800). Those who took the test before 1994 are now entitled to add a prescribed amount to their scores to see how they compare to students today. Having made the necessary adjustment, Little Ed announced, "I got 800 on my verbal! I'm a direct beneficiary of the stupidity of the American public!" Doing the same for Bush gives him 640 on both verbal and math, good enough for 88th percentile on the verbal and 86th in math were he entering college now. Those scores may not be as high as mine, of course, or even Al Gore's (625 verbal, 730 math unadjusted), but they ain't bad.

Yo mama after she gave me a BJ.

PS: Bush is gay.

Nice comeback dork. Thank God you don't claim my race as your own.

Only Sho nuff disputed these claims. And if you look at the stuff that he started putting the further he went down you can tell he doesnt really have a clue. So i ask anyone else to bring forth a valid point on these issues. And not just thoughts.



Presidents Bush's 50 Greatest Accomplishments.

1. I attacked and took over two countries.
2. I spent the US surplus and bankrupted the US treasury.
3. I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy)
4. I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
5. I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
6. I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
7. I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
8. In my first year in office I set the all-time record for the most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).
9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.
10. I set the record for most campaign raising trips by any president in US history.
11. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.
12. I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history.
13. I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period.
14. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other president in US history.
15. I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV.
16. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
17. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.
18. I cut health-care benefits for war veterans.
19. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any one person in the history of mankind.
20. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
21. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
22. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history (the poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).
23. I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.
24. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world.
25. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
26. I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the US.
27. I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Reagan was hard to beat, but I did it!!!)
28. I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations to remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.
29. I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
30. I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.
31. I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
32. I withdrew from the World Court Of Law.
33. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
34. I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations elections inspectors access during the 2002 elections.
35. I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for the most corporate campaign donations.
36. The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of EnronCorporation)
37. I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
38. I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1).
39. I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.
40. I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
41. I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
42. I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
43. I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US laws by not selling their huge investments in corporations that later made bids for gov. contracts.
44. I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
45. I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the Civil War.
46. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
47. I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
48. I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
49. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigation into my insider trading or bankrupted companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
50. All minutes of meetings of any public corporations for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

Of course he can't. That would require real facts and logic. You see, it's impossible to confuse liberals with fact and logic. They have already made up their imagination.

LOL...yeah pretty much.

Also, if the SAT's aren't an accurate indicator then why does everyone try to bash Bush over his SAT scores, even when they are actually pretty good anyway?

:rolleyes:

In 1999 the NewYorker obtained a copy of the future president's Yale transcript and revealed that he'd had a C average in college and, more interestingly, scored 1206 on his Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT)--566 on the verbal and 640 on the math.

To find out how this score stacked up, I called Educational Testing Service, publisher of the SAT, and learned that in 1994, SAT scores had been "re-centered." To offset the steady downward drift of test scores over the years, the scoring scale was adjusted upward so that the mean score for both math and verbal was again 500 (the midpoint on a scale of 200 to 800). Those who took the test before 1994 are now entitled to add a prescribed amount to their scores to see how they compare to students today. Having made the necessary adjustment, Little Ed announced, "I got 800 on my verbal! I'm a direct beneficiary of the stupidity of the American public!" Doing the same for Bush gives him 640 on both verbal and math, good enough for 88th percentile on the verbal and 86th in math were he entering college now. Those scores may not be as high as mine, of course, or even Al Gore's (625 verbal, 730 math unadjusted), but they ain't bad.

I agree that he is Not actually STUPID (Sub par IQ) and that his tongue trips him up, and so does his feet as well as scooters, pretzels,etc.... I just dont like his ACTIONS. But, truthfully, i think we are all misguided a little. We only really believe what we WANT to, (Not Everyone) If you ask me, BUSH is nothing more then a Puppit with Dick Cheney's Hand up his culo. Cheney is the real evil do' er.

A) I dont believe he scored that high, I've heard him talk.
B) I never heard anything about his SAT scores before coming here.
C) My bro the doctor didnt do well on his SATs and I know he'd run laps around Bush intellectually.

The average SAT score of Yale is 1500

In 1999 the NewYorker obtained a copy of the future president's Yale transcript and revealed that he'd had a C average in college and, more interestingly, scored 1206 on his Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT)--566 on the verbal and 640 on the math.

To find out how this score stacked up, I called Educational Testing Service, publisher of the SAT, and learned that in 1994, SAT scores had been "re-centered." To offset the steady downward drift of test scores over the years, the scoring scale was adjusted upward so that the mean score for both math and verbal was again 500 (the midpoint on a scale of 200 to 800). Those who took the test before 1994 are now entitled to add a prescribed amount to their scores to see how they compare to students today. Having made the necessary adjustment, Little Ed announced, "I got 800 on my verbal! I'm a direct beneficiary of the stupidity of the American public!" Doing the same for Bush gives him 640 on both verbal and math, good enough for 88th percentile on the verbal and 86th in math were he entering college now. Those scores may not be as high as mine, of course, or even Al Gore's (625 verbal, 730 math unadjusted), but they ain't bad.


Bush easily beat Gore in the televised debates. He turned out to be a better communicator than Gore. This clearly deserves some credit. Bush is ok, but C+ average at Yale or Harvard is a pretty bad grade... Maybe he was not interested in being a good student.

On a different note, it is rarely the case that a US president is an excellent academician (Clinton is an exception). I wonder why do the brightest people choose not to go to politics?

1. I attacked and took over two countries. Took over? I believe those countries respectivly govern themselves.
2. I spent the US surplus and bankrupted the US treasury. I may not be 100% on this, but I believe the surplus was crashing right before Bush took office. Also, a surplus or deficit and it's impact and meaning are imprecise and debateable
3. I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy) Most households have bigger debt by far when you compare dollar to dollar. 9/11??
4. I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period. Because, people on the bubble are filing before the new rules took place. Also, I believe thatis lumping together small individual owned business's effected by 9/11.
5. I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market. Right after 9/11 I assume? Correct again
6. I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. So? Exactly, who the **** cares ifthey needed to go.
7. I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record. Yep somehow slick willie escaped formal perjury charges. Exactly correct
8. In my first year in office I set the all-time record for the most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did). He does just as much work at his ranch as he does in the white house. Also correct
9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. Ask the clinton admin. why millitary intell could not! talk to CIA or FBI. they had a make on the terrorist but were not allowed to discuss with other agencies! Also, Clinton had Bin Laden in his sites and was called and asked if he wanted the trigger pulled and was too much of a ***** to call the shot
10. I set the record for most campaign raising trips by any president in US history. So what??
11. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs. Unemployment is low right now. Another product of 9/11
12. I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history. Get a ****in job you lazy prick
Im goint to have to skip some of these. I actually have **** to do.
13. I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period. This one I want to see to believe
14. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other president in US history. This one is horse****
15. I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV. SO? Apparently he doesn't want to hear himself talk as much as the previous prick did.
16. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
17. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.
18. I cut health-care benefits for war veterans.
19. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any one person in the history of mankind.
20. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
21. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
22. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history (the poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).
23. I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy. State budget or personal level? States need to be solvent, same as people.
24. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world. Not his fault
25. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
26. I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the US.
27. I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Reagan was hard to beat, but I did it!!!)
28. I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations to remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.
29. I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
30. I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.
31. I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. No way! They have always been irrelevent, the truth is now out.
32. I withdrew from the World Court Of Law.
33. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
34. I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations elections inspectors access during the 2002 elections. The UN does not govern the US.
35. I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for the most corporate campaign donations.
36. The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of EnronCorporation)
37. I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. Doubtfull, Im sure Clinton has this hands down.
38. I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1). What? hide? He went back to Washington that night!
39. I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government. How secret is it if its appearing on a boxing website.
40. I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
41. I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
42. I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. Vilsak in Iowa allowed felons the right to vote.
43. I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US laws by not selling their huge investments in corporations that later made bids for gov. contracts.
44. I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. The patriot act
45. I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the Civil War.
46. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
47. I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
48. I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. Was not AWOL, thats been proven.
49. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigation into my insider trading or bankrupted companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
50. All minutes of meetings of any public corporations for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
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A) I dont believe he scored that high, I've heard him talk.
B) I never heard anything about his SAT scores before coming here.
C) My bro the doctor didnt do well on his SATs and I know he'd run laps around Bush intellectually.

Wow, are you really that dumb. Ok, I need to learn to be less amazed at people's stupidity. His SAT's are DOCUMENTED. If they were to fake 'em, at least they'd make 'em higher than 1260. Seriously...smell the coffee.

Good for your brother...you're such a hater you probably think your pet turtle would run laps around Bush, so why should we listen to anything you say about that?

A) I dont believe he scored that high, I've heard him talk.
B) I never heard anything about his SAT scores before coming here.
C) My bro the doctor didnt do well on his SATs and I know he'd run laps around Bush intellectually.


..............Dude, did you pay Torino for his football win??

....Rasta, I addressed 1-16 and expounded on some of Sho-nuffs comments and agreed with some as well. I will get to the others when I have absolutely nothing better to do. They will get addressed. :)

..............Dude, did you pay Torino for his football win??

So you're not gonna address the issues?

So you're not gonna address the issues?


...See above Yo!! And look at my comments at the end of some of Sho-nufs. I will address them all in time. They aren't your cut and pastes anyway so what the hell does it matter to you.

1. I attacked and took over two countries. Took over? I believe those countries respectivly govern themselves.
2. I spent the US surplus and bankrupted the US treasury. I may not be 100% on this, but I believe the surplus was crashing right before Bush took office. Also, a surplus or deficit and it's impact and meaning are imprecise and debateable
3. I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy) Most households have bigger debt by far when you compare dollar to dollar. 9/11??
4. I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period. Because, people on the bubble are filing before the new rules took place. Also, I believe thatis lumping together small individual owned business's effected by 9/11.
5. I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock market. Right after 9/11 I assume? Correct again
6. I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner. So? Exactly, who the **** cares ifthey needed to go.
7. I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record. Yep somehow slick willie escaped formal perjury charges. Exactly correct
8. In my first year in office I set the all-time record for the most days on vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did). He does just as much work at his ranch as he does in the white house. Also correct
9. After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over the worst security failure in US history. Ask the clinton admin. why millitary intell could not! talk to CIA or FBI. they had a make on the terrorist but were not allowed to discuss with other agencies! Also, Clinton had Bin Laden in his sites and was called and asked if he wanted the trigger pulled and was too much of a ***** to call the shot
10. I set the record for most campaign raising trips by any president in US history. So what??
11. In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs. Unemployment is low right now. Another product of 9/11
12. I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US history. Get a ****in job you lazy prick
Im goint to have to skip some of these. I actually have **** to do.
13. I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month period. This one I want to see to believe
14. I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any other president in US history. This one is horse****
15. I set the record for fewest press conferences of any president since the advent of TV. SO? Apparently he doesn't want to hear himself talk as much as the previous prick did.
16. I presided over the biggest energy crisis in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
17. I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any other US president in history.
18. I cut health-care benefits for war veterans.
19. I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any one person in the history of mankind.
20. I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
21. I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US history.
22. Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history (the poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).
23. I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy. State budget or personal level? States need to be solvent, same as people.
24. I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in any country in the history of the world. Not his fault
25. I am the first president in US history to order a US attack and military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.
26. I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the US.
27. I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any other president in US history (Reagan was hard to beat, but I did it!!!)
28. I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations to remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.
29. I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.
30. I removed more checks and balances and have the least congressional oversight of any presidential administration in US history.
31. I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. No way! They have always been irrelevent, the truth is now out.
32. I withdrew from the World Court Of Law.
33. I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
34. I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations elections inspectors access during the 2002 elections. The UN does not govern the US.
35. I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for the most corporate campaign donations.
36. The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of EnronCorporation)
37. I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history. Doubtfull, Im sure Clinton has this hands down.
38. I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1). What? hide? He went back to Washington that night!
39. I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government. How secret is it if its appearing on a boxing website.
40. I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
41. I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
42. I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts. Vilsak in Iowa allowed felons the right to vote.
43. I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who violated US laws by not selling their huge investments in corporations that later made bids for gov. contracts.
44. I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history. The patriot act
45. I have created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided that the US has been since the Civil War.
46. I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
47. I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
48. I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of war. I refused to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use. Was not AWOL, thats been proven.
49. All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my father's library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. All records of any SEC investigation into my insider trading or bankrupted companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
50. All minutes of meetings of any public corporations for which I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view. Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
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All you did was attempt to quote Sho NUff . i just said he attempted to try to refute some of the points, but come one, all he said was, "I dont know about that." "I have to see to believe."

Nothing of substance.

You said all i was doing was cuttin and pasting, look at you.

ok, i just read what you put, dont get all anal

ok, i just read what you put, dont get all anal


...I was talking to Nash bro.

...I was talking to Nash bro.


i was aware of that. I just wanted to make sure you didnt get that way with me.

Heres a nice short list I think a few will enjoy.
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What Was Bill Clinton's Worst Crime Against America?

* Lying under oath about his affair with intern Monica Lewinsky

* His failure to do anything about Osama Bin Laden's known desire to strike America

* Gassing and burning 86 Americans in the 1993 attack on Waco, Texas

* Going to war in Kosovo without Congressional authority, resulting in the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians

Answear me this, how did Bill and Hillary dodge these crimes?Starting in 1978, Bill and Hillary Rodham Clinton, created a business named Whitewater Development Corporation with friends and Little Rock, Arkansas residents Jim McDougal and his wife, Susan McDougal. As real estate values began a steep decline, their investment of over $200,000 and hopes of lucrative vacation property had deteriorated and the venture failed.

Seven years later, in 1985, Jim McDougal set his sights on investment into local residential construction, labeling the project "Castle Grande". With the sale cost floating around $1.75 million for the 1,000 acres (4 km²) he intended to purchase, McDougal was presented with a financial burden outside of his own means. Borrowing from his own Savings and loan, Madison Guaranty, he could only take a maximum of $600,000 to be compliant with the corresponding law.

McDougal subsequently involved several others to produce the additional funds, including Seth Ward, an employee of the bank who helped funnel the additional $1.15 million required. To avoid potential investigations, the money was moved back and forth amongst several other investors and intermediaries each with a different reason.

However, in 1986, their scheme was unveiled by federal regulators who realized that all the necessary funds for this real estate venture had come entirely from Madison. In July of that year, the McDougals were forced to resign; Seth Ward fell under investigation as well as the lawyer who helped him draft the agreement, Hillary Clinton.

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The scandal
Relating to the Whitewater failure and the Clintons' legal involvement with Castle Grande, they were repeatedly questioned by reporters about the fiasco following Bill Clinton's bid for the presidency. Early in Clinton's presidency, one of his attorneys Vince Foster committed suicide (July 23, 1993). Documents regarding Clinton's personal information were then removed from Foster's office, reigniting an investigation.

At Clinton's request, a special prosecutor was appointed in 1994 by the Department of Justice to investigate the legality of Whitewater transactions. Two further accusations then surfaced: that Clinton had exerted pressure on a Little Rock, Arkansas businessman to make a loan that would benefit him and the owners of Madison Guaranty, and that an Arkansas bank had concealed transactions involving Clinton's gubernatorial campaign in 1990.

The Clintons were cleared of any wrongdoing in two reports subsequently prepared by the San Francisco law firm of Pillsbury Madison and Sutro for the Resolution Trust Corporation, which was overseeing the bankruptcy of Madison Guaranty.

When the Whitewater scandal first surfaced, Attorney General Janet Reno appointed a special prosecutor to investigate the matter. The prosecutor, Robert Fiske (a Republican and former United States Attorney) was subsequently replaced by independent counsel Kenneth Starr when the investigation was transferred to the jurisidiction of the Office of the Independent Counsel. Independent counsels are appointed by a panel of federal judges, to avoid a potential conflict of interest by the Attorney General (a Presidential political appointee).

On January 26, 1996 Hillary Clinton testified before a grand jury concerning her investments in Whitewater.

Three associates, James McDougal, Susan McDougal, and Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker were convicted on several federal charges.

His affair with Monica Lewinksy.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA! You are an idiot. I'd rather have my president have an affair with an intern than start an unnecessary war were thousands upon thousands of innocents have been killed. You have no point!
Heres a nice short list I think a few will enjoy.
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What Was Bill Clinton's Worst Crime Against America?

* Lying under oath about his affair with intern Monica Lewinsky

* His failure to do anything about Osama Bin Laden's known desire to strike America

* Gassing and burning 86 Americans in the 1993 attack on Waco, Texas

* Going to war in Kosovo without Congressional authority, resulting in the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians

Heres an idea, I know it might be profound to you; but try reading what you just quoted first before replying.

Heres a nice short list I think a few will enjoy.
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What Was Bill Clinton's Worst Crime Against America?

* Lying under oath about his affair with intern Monica Lewinsky

* His failure to do anything about Osama Bin Laden's known desire to strike America

* Gassing and burning 86 Americans in the 1993 attack on Waco, Texas

* Going to war in Kosovo without Congressional authority, resulting in the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians

What Was Bill Clinton's Worst Crime Against America?

* Lying under oath about his affair with intern Monica Lewinsky Would you have admitted it at first?

* His failure to do anything about Osama Bin Laden's known desire to strike America Oh, and what did Bush do to prevent this, it did happen with HIM in office.

* Gassing and burning 86 Americans in the 1993 attack on Waco, Texas He was the president, not the director of the FBI.

* Going to war in Kosovo without Congressional authority, resulting in the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians Bush Went to war without UN approval, misled his country, didnt wait for inspectors, and went to war in Iraq for no real reason. Bushes mistake cost upwards of 200,000 innocent lives.

All you did was attempt to quote Sho NUff . i just said he attempted to try to refute some of the points, but come one, all he said was, "I dont know about that." "I have to see to believe."

Nothing of substance.

You said all i was doing was cuttin and pasting, look at you.
Not once did I say "I dont know about that" Nor did I say "I have to see to believe". Its all above. :)

great way to avoid the response. You are a truly skilled republican versed in the art of denile.

Your denial is beneath you, and thanks to the use of hallucinogenic drugs, I see through you

* Lying under oath about his affair with intern Monica Lewinsky

Blowjobs are non of your employers business. Plus, if thats the worst thing he did, nobody died. Iraq? Hello!

* Gassing and burning 86 Americans in the 1993 attack on Waco, Texas They burned themselves, there are recounts from those that escaped the David K scatter the gasoline himself. Not that I would care if the govt did kill a bunch of religious nuts.

* Going to war in Kosovo without Congressional authority, resulting in the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians
You mean preventing the slaugher of more thousands of civilians and .......drum role.......without lossing all amercian soldiers in the process.


* His failure to do anything about Osama Bin Laden's known desire to strike America Bush has caught Osama? Did I miss something....ohh I see Bush is doing something about about trying to catch him; He is looking for him in Iraq. More specifically the oil fields of Iraq. Osama's people did try to strike the US in 2000 and they were foiled. Although despite the report titled "Osama determined to strike US again" it was too bothersome to read of vacaion at the ranch. Just like the New Orleans devastation.

On the topic of New Orleans. Some say Bush just flying over New Orleans devastion is BS and he should have been of the ground. The truth is he WAS there helping feed the people. Link below
http://www.boxingscene.com/media/showphoto.php/photo/9034

I'm not Clinton's biggest fan, but here's a story that a lot of people have forgotten: after the bombings of two US embassies in Africa in 1998, Clinton retaliated quite quickly with bombing runs of Sudan and Afghanistan. However, because this happened right in the middle of the Lewinsky scandal, people accused him of trying to distract the public's attention from his own personal problems by bombing supposedly innocent people.

So Clinton did retaliate and received a ton of backlash for it. Had people supported him then instead of relating everything back to a silly sex scandal then maybe more work could have been done back then to get at the terrorists instead of waiting for an even more cataclysmic event to occur.

Were the Republicans in charge of the Senate and Congress back then focused on combating terrorism or were they obsessed with using the Lewinsky scandal to get Clinton thrown out of power?

I'm not Clinton's biggest fan, but here's a story that a lot of people have forgotten: after the bombings of two US embassies in Africa in 1998, Clinton retaliated quite quickly with bombing runs of Sudan and Afghanistan. However, because this happened right in the middle of the Lewinsky scandal, people accused him of trying to distract the public's attention from his own personal problems by bombing supposedly innocent people.

So Clinton did retaliate and received a ton of backlash for it. Had people supported him then instead of relating everything back to a silly sex scandal then maybe more work could have been done back then to get at the terrorists instead of waiting for an even more cataclysmic event to occur. Just a thought.
The truth finally came out though in the end. Clinton could have had Bin Laden captured and or killed but he let him go. Clinton was a good prez and all, but he made his fair share of mistakes too.

The truth finally came out though in the end. Clinton could have had Bin Laden captured and or killed but he let him go. Clinton was a good prez and all, but he made his fair share of mistakes too.

Oh yeah, he had a lot of flaws, and especially in term 2 many mistakes were made. I just wanted to point out that he wasn't as feckless as some people like to say.

The Bin Laden killing didn't happen because the resources weren't in place, which was a huge tactical mistake. With the US military pinned down in Iraq, Afghanistan and now New Orleans, though, who is to say that they have the means to get at him now?

Clinton did manage to help out with the Bosnia mess though. What a piece of **** conflict that was.

Clinton did manage to help out with the Bosnia mess though. What a piece of **** conflict that was.

Al Qaeda may have been involved in that one as well. Those guys get around.

The Serbia/Kosovo situation is still a mess, though it's looking less and less likely that it will lead to violence. Serbia though will probably lose both Montenegro and Kosovo within the next 5-10 years, which will probably piss them off a bit.

The EU is the biggest motivator for these countries to straighten up. They all want access to Western markets and the EU makes them meet rigid human rights standards. Unfortunately with the new constituion being rejected in France and The Netherlands expanion plans will likely be put off.

Al Qaeda may have been involved in that one as well. Those guys get around.

The Serbia/Kosovo situation is still a mess, though it's looking less and less likely that it will lead to violence. Serbia though will probably lose both Montenegro and Kosovo within the next 5-10 years, which will probably piss them off a bit.

The EU is the biggest motivator for these countries to straighten up. They all want access to Western markets and the EU makes them meet rigid human rights standards. Unfortunately with the new constituion being rejected in France and The Netherlands expanion plans will likely be put off.
Their people are broke dick mawfuka's that's for sure.

Their people are broke dick mawfuka's that's for sure.

When my wife and I were in Europe a few years back we were in Slovenia and the TV in our hostel was playing this Serbian version of Who Wants to be a Millionaire. Swear to god. I mean, these people are still struggling to put their shattered country back together but priority #1 is apparently to broadcast a big TV game show :D .

Of course the way inflation hit there after the war started 1000000 of their currency is probably like, a quarter.

Yep that's what they tell me, I have about 5 of them working for me and I hear how they were flat broke and there is no money to be had over there. But I will tell you this, they work very good and love the oppertunity that I gave them for their job's.

Yep that's what they tell me, I have about 5 of them working for me and I hear how they were flat broke and there is no money to be had over there. But I will tell you this, they work very good and love the oppertunity that I gave them for their job's.

Interesting...we're lucky in this part of the world, that's for sure.

Interesting...we're lucky in this part of the world, that's for sure.
For sure...

What Was Bill Clinton's Worst Crime Against America?

* Lying under oath about his affair with intern Monica Lewinsky Would you have admitted it at first?

* His failure to do anything about Osama Bin Laden's known desire to strike America Oh, and what did Bush do to prevent this, it did happen with HIM in office.

* Gassing and burning 86 Americans in the 1993 attack on Waco, Texas He was the president, not the director of the FBI.

* Going to war in Kosovo without Congressional authority, resulting in the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians Bush Went to war without UN approval, misled his country, didnt wait for inspectors, and went to war in Iraq for no real reason. Bushes mistake cost upwards of 200,000 innocent lives.

Wow, you pretty much exposed yourself to be a complete biased jackass. So you cannot blame a President for a federal entity's mistakes unless his name is Bush, right?

Bush's mistakes have not cost 200,000 lives. Even then, it is just your opinion that everything he has done is a mistake, and also, you shift no blame to terrorists who kill their own people.

You are one retarded ****.

Wow, you pretty much exposed yourself to be a complete biased jackass. So you cannot blame a President for a federal entity's mistakes unless his name is Bush, right?

Bush's mistakes have not cost 200,000 lives. Even then, it is just your opinion that everything he has done is a mistake, and also, you shift no blame to terrorists who kill their own people.

You are one retarded ****.

I dont have the biggest problem with republicans per say, yes, i do hate bush with a passion. And yes i dont normally get along with someone who is a outspoken pro bush republican. But not because i fear conflict, but because no matter where you go, most answers to questions that are asked of them about bush are either avoided, "Misunderstood", Misinterpreted, or just flat out responded to with lies.

I mainly get denile from most. People that support him usually say. "Show me the Proof" and Any time someone does, they dismiss it as left wing hogwash, no matter how obvious and convincing the evidence is.

Think about it. When we went to war with Iraq, what was the pretense for the war. "They had weapons of mass distruction"
Well here we 1 year 5 months, and 25 days later. Have we found any. OOHHHHHH but NOW, NOW they say there reason for the Pre-emptive strike was to rid the world of an evil dictator. What happened to the whole WMD thing. The administration in charge of our country at this moment is a WMD in itself.

I dont even wanna get into the Whole Karl Rove thing.......But i will. Bush Said that he would fire anyone that had been determined to have been the leak, that gave away cia agent Valerie Plume and her Husbands identity.(Which are now in hiding, never to be seen again) The reporter named Rove as his source. Then Rove admitted that he told him, but that it was off the record.
If you cant realise that nothin is off the record with reporters, who sole income in life is to do what? REPORT! Then you are not smart enough to deserve that little sticker on your license plate that says CA exempt, NY exempt etc.....

After the proof was shown to bush that it was rove, he said there wasnt enough evidence that rove did anything wrong.

Are you ****in kidding me. Nothing wrong, He ratted out a C.I. ****ing A. agent. As a matter of fact Mr. Rove has since recieved a raise.

To be completely honest with you. I am not a democrat either. I hate all politicians. I vote for who i think is HONESTLY best for the job. **** the whole party line ****. Hell, i voted for my mayor and hes republican. Hell if John Mccain accepted there nomination i would vote for him as well.
But no one, and i mean no one, in our current administration has stepped foreward to admit there wrongs. No accountabilty. When President Harry S. Truman was in office, he had the best motto ever adopted by a president. That was "THE BUCK STOPS HERE" What a great motto. It meant "I am accountable for my actions,........as well as the actions of my government and my country" Wow imagine that, a president owning up to what the presidents job is all about. The presidents job holds the responsibilty of being accountable. Why shouldnt Bush be blamed for what has gone wrong. If Clinton was in office and he had all of these **** ups on his record, imagine how the republicans on capitol hill would have reacted. They Impeached himt for getting head. If this was him they would have tortured his ass, el salvadorian death squad style.
In the end though, shouldnt he be ultimatly be held accountable for his actions. Clinton was when he lied Under Oath. So why not Bush. He is after all THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

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Jurassic 5 featuring Dave Matthews Band

ripping on the president.

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I am not impressed by the job done by his administration, nor the Republican party for that matter.......but I refuse to point fingers at the figurehead. I have nothing against Bush personally, and I also refuse to buy into liberal propaganda. IE Bill Maher, Michael Moore, Ward Churchill.......very close to treasonists in my opinion. I also think these areas are what are leading to his dissaproval rating.

I dont know how you could lump Bill Maher in with Ward Churchill and Michael Moore. :cool:

You come up with something and i will disprove its validity.

to discuss with broad questions like this...so I will try to simplify it in my own way of truth and sarcasm...

We really only have 2 choices in America....

Behind door #1 we have the Dems. These individuals love to spend our money helping the poor, expand government, love to regulate and tell us what we need, try to scare us into voting for there union based, my kids shouldnt be spanked, bicycle helmet wearing, "we're here for you the middle class" while lining their pockets with big Union dollars which makes these politicians stuck with ensuring jobs for union people which falsely leads us to believe they are here for the middle class and great at creating jobs, *******s...or we can look behind door #2..here you will find the Republicans...we are the "less government so we can line our pockets with the rest, bible toting evangelistic, oil types, lets all look like AMWAY soap distributor hypocrates, our kids need play dates, and lots of red ties, and act like we give a **** about people even though we are only here for self serving polictical and financial personal gain tlak outa both sides of our mouths mf er's...

or how bout door #3...this door by the way rarely gets opened because of those people behind doors 1 and 2. Those behind door #'s 1 and 2 will tell you to never open door number 3 because behind that door are a bunch of reckless numbskulls who want you to think outside the box. They also will tell you that by just opening the door #3 even a little crack would send this country into a tail spin. The people behind door #3 will make up lies about us behind 1 and 2...saying mean things about us 1'ers and 2'ers. 1 and 2's will tell you that the 3's have no ability and no experience running a country, a military, and have no idea how to control the thoughts and actions of the American people like us behind doors 1 and 2. They will shun you away from door 3 because the other 2 dont want you to be an independant thinker, they want you in their game...not making up new rules that will leave them OUT!!!!!!!

I say to all my friends and associates...Vote Independant this Presidential election no matter who the front runner is...I think the Independant front runner this time should run on this slogan alone.....

WHAT THE **** WOULD IT HURT??????? or maybe HOW MUCH WORSE COULD I POSSIBLY MAKE IT????? :D ;) LOLOLOLOl

UMMMM.....certainly helped the rich get richer......made more of the world than ever before hate us......I.E. created more terrorists and a whole new genration of little terrorists.****ty,****ty foreign policy basically nothing good that I can see........

Oh yeah, he had a lot of flaws, and especially in term 2 many mistakes were made. I just wanted to point out that he wasn't as feckless as some people like to say.

The Bin Laden killing didn't happen because the resources weren't in place, which was a huge tactical mistake. With the US military pinned down in Iraq, Afghanistan and now New Orleans, though, who is to say that they have the means to get at him now?
hiding in New Orleans!!!!! LOLOLOL

http://poststuff5.entensity.net/072406/t/hitler.gif

this reminds me of bush

he gets worse and worse every year,

he killed wat clinton started, clinton had 5 bil set aside for things having to do with health insurance and stuff like that, and when bush took office he asked him not to use it, and to keep it set aside for those designated things...wat did bush do?


....yea

theres so much more but i think that theres no point in arguing this b/c no matter wat in 3 years hes out of office

I wonder if prime Bus had the feet to be fleet footed..... :D

he gets worse and worse every year,

he killed wat clinton started, clinton had 5 bil set aside for things having to do with health insurance and stuff like that, and when bush took office he asked him not to use it, and to keep it set aside for those designated things...wat did bush do?

Bush didn't kill anything because Clinton didn't do anything. Clinton should have finished the Sadaam problem in the early-mid 90s but didn't. I don't like bush but I hate liberal bashings more.

clinton was a much better president than bush, im hoping u can recognize that...

and wat happened to all the money that the US had when clinton left? some blame 9/11, but in reality a very little of the debt was caused by 9/11 as a whole.

I wonder if prime Bus had the feet to be fleet footed..... :D

its quite possible, but the current bush, i doubt it.

bush has given americans a chance to see our flaws and the errors in our judgment. so we can get it better next time.

Before the usual suspects jump on me, I saw this story a few years ago and never have mentioned it on these boards, because I don't buy it - but it found its way back to me in a message today, so I thought I'd post it for those who have never heard of this legit news story - legit in that the accusations really exist...

I remember seeing it on a site I linked off rense.com a while ago. You can google Margie Schoedinger for more info or to verify that the story isn't bogus

http://www.thoughtcrimenews.com/Detail5.jpg

This administration has ****ed up this country. They brought us record gas prices; put us into a war we didn't need; and have our currency the lowest it's been. With oil companies making record profits it's an indication they're charging way too much for gas. The government is supposed to look after the welfare of it's people not turn their heads to this mess. We can FIND money to support war but not for the betterment of the people who will be paying for the war. It's like you're going to work but I'm spending your money any way I want; and you have nothing to say just go to work and bring me the money. So tell me, is it right?

1. Helped hold interest rates at the lowest they have consistently been in the history of this country. Yeah, I know Greenspan calls the overnight shots but monetary policy of the admin and Greenspan doing the Presidents bidding is common knowledge.

2. Rid the world of one the most brutal dictators who ever lived. And in the process just may help democracy spread in the middle east. If the Iraq situation leads to a Democratic brushfire then it was worth it.

3. Protected this country from another terrorist attack since 9/11.

4. Kept a retard like Kerry out of the white house

5. Pissed off all the bleeding heart libs and leftist media outlets with his presidential win.


....I could give ya 1-100 at least but I'm trying to watch a ball game.
with all that put together it still isn't much and is very little. what you forget to mention is that 9-11 happened on his watch just like Katrina and the only reason it happened is because of his incompetence!

with all that put together it still isn't much and is very little. what you forget to mention is that 9-11 happened on his watch just like Katrina and the only reason it happened is because of his incompetence!



.....Wow, I laid some smack down on some people in this thread. This was interesting re-reading. :banana: Rasta was a good guy and I enjoyed debating with him sometimes. I don't even have the energy nor do I give a **** to get that involved in my posting most of the time any more.

You come up with something and i will disprove its validity.
Check this out, Rasta. In the first 6 years I was in the Army, Prez gave the Military at least a 3.5 pay raise "EVERY" January! Clinton only did it twice! in the 8 years he served. That is why the Military likes the Prez....a new Soldier coming in now, makes what took me 4 years, and 3 ranks to earn!

.....Wow, I laid some smack down on some people in this thread. This was interesting re-reading. :banana: Rasta was a good guy and I enjoyed debating with him sometimes. I don't even have the energy nor do I give a **** to get that involved in my posting most of the time any more.
I was watching Comedy Central's Last Laugh 07 and Lewis Black couldn't of said it better," If you are still a hardened democrat or a republican my hat is off to you, because you are living in a delusion I can't even conceive of! I don't understand how is that possible at this point! After the past 15 years?? and your still a democrat or a republican?? How bad are you hallucinating?? even I!! who did LSD and saw my refrigerator turn into a puma and run away, have never been so delusional as you are!" <--something along those lines.

Bush didnt take away my guns and try to subjugate me.