View Full Version : Who are you picking for Vitali to fight next???


spinksjinx
12-16-2004, 09:41 AM
I think instead of going straight to a unification bout with Byrd or Ruiz, I think unfortunately In april or May we will have to see Vitali pound out another double donut roll of a fighter in his next matchup....


My pick is.....Michael Moorer....Sad but true.


Anyone else wish to elaborate a bit more on this and the other sad matchups we will be plagued to see in the upcoming months???


Id also like to point out that since inking Davarryl Williamson Don King will be launching him into the limelight onto one of his heavyweight showdown cards, so fully expect Davarryl to be facing one of the heavyweight champs on his cards or even pitting him against Golota or Rahman.


My picks for next up heavyweight fights are

Klitschko vs Moorer-Klitschko is in a fad for fighting overweight past it fighters and his KO win is a GREAT excuse for Vitali to jump the gun and win another easy fight...

Golota vs Brewster-Why the hell not? King has pitted him against every other heavyweight champ in his stable, third times a charm?

Ruiz/Byrd vs Williamson-We all know King will give Williamson a shot at the gold that is a given everytime King signs a new heavyweight...


These are my heavyweight picks for 2005, whats yours and where does Rahman Fit in?

neils7147933
12-16-2004, 09:46 AM
The WBC surely wouldn't let him get away with that.

I want him to fight someone who actually moves occasionally in the ring; not someone who is hoping for that one in a million chance that they can walk through his jab and land a perfect shot on him.

Any legitimate contender would be an improvement over the last 3 jokes he's fought since losing to Lennox.

jabsRstiff
12-16-2004, 09:48 AM
I have mixed feelings about Ruiz fighting Vitali.

Ruiz does not deserve the opportunity/payday.

But, he certainly deserves the brutal beating he'd get.

spinksjinx
12-16-2004, 09:49 AM
The WBC surely wouldn't let him get away with that.

I want him to fight someone who actually moves occasionally in the ring; not someone who is hoping for that one in a million chance that they can walk through his jab and land a perfect shot on him.

Any legitimate contender would be an improvement over the last 3 jokes he's fought since losing to Lennox.



Kirk Johnson/Corrie Sanders/Danny Williams-All 3 of these fighters did not deserve their shot at the title but somehow miraculously got it.

Aside from the PPV numbers they are willing to let this go on as Vitali is the heavyweight "champ"....


Aside from that, the fact the WBC is making an all-african title makes me question that they will let Vitali face whoever...

Did I mention Mayweather will be fighting for the all-african wbc title in January?


*Sighs*



Jabs-Why not? What had Sanders/Johnson/Williams have done? Atleast Ruiz would fight back and not choke up like the others, Ruiz would actually give Vitali a fight.

neils7147933
12-16-2004, 09:57 AM
Johnson had lost to Ruiz, Sanders was all-but retired prior to the Wlad fight, and Williams was a replacement for Kevin McBride as the Tyson camp realized that the public would see McBride as another McNeely.

Then Johnson went to all-day buffets, Sandes pummeled the glass-chinned Wlad, and a poorly conditioned and injured Tyson got KO'd by Williams.

Funny how things change so quickly, isn't it?

moochi
12-16-2004, 10:03 AM
i see him fighting another distant fringe contender-journeyman.....so expect it to be someone who is mistakenly ranked in the top 15.

BoxingPromoter
12-16-2004, 10:04 AM
From what I've read(Boston Globe,NY Post) Klitscho is leaning towards a fight with Hasim Rahman and not unification between one of the beltholders. A good matchup, but the fans are demanding and anticipating unification bouts. I mean why doesn't Klitscho get the picture, there was poor attendance at his last fight and ppv sales were lagging. Why can't this so-called heavyweight champ do what the fans want? :mad:

neils7147933
12-16-2004, 10:07 AM
From what I've read(Boston Globe,NY Post) Klitscho is leaning towards a fight with Hasim Rahman and not unification between one of the beltholders. A good matchup, but the fans are demanding and anticipating unification bouts. I mean why doesn't Klitscho get the picture, there was poor attendance at his last fight and ppv sales were lagging. Why can't this so-called heavyweight champ do what the fans want? :mad:

Because, no matter what we like to think, these guys don't care what we think, unless it drastically affects their earning potential. And that goes for pretty much any professional sport.

neils7147933
12-16-2004, 10:07 AM
i see him fighting another distant fringe contender-journeyman.....so expect it to be someone who is mistakenly ranked in the top 15.

exactly........too bad kali meehan's not ranked anymore lol

paulmmv
12-16-2004, 10:11 AM
chris byrd after what he said about vitali i would love to see vitali take byrds head off as we all know he can do just that

jabsRstiff
12-16-2004, 10:11 AM
Kirk Johnson/Corrie Sanders/Danny Williams-All 3 of these fighters did not deserve their shot at the title but somehow miraculously got it.

Aside from the PPV numbers they are willing to let this go on as Vitali is the heavyweight "champ"....


Aside from that, the fact the WBC is making an all-african title makes me question that they will let Vitali face whoever...

Did I mention Mayweather will be fighting for the all-african wbc title in January?


*Sighs*



Jabs-Why not? What had Sanders/Johnson/Williams have done? Atleast Ruiz would fight back and not choke up like the others, Ruiz would actually give Vitali a fight.


Spinks....

Do you like boxing ? You cannot like boxing & give any support, in any way, to John Ruiz.

That ****er has hurt the sport. He's a disgrace.....

guru
12-16-2004, 10:31 AM
i think rahman is a likely opponent.... the word i'm hearing is that since rahman has no belt, king would have little to lose and alot to gain, so he would do it....


also, if you want to criticize VK's opponents, let's look at ruiz and byrd:

golota - has never won a big fight... only had 2 fights in 4 years, but magically gets ranked to get a title shot at byrd

fres - has NEVER beaten another good fighter, but gets 2 title shots

mccline - WTF did he do to get a title shot after getting PUNKED by wlad??

neils7147933
12-16-2004, 10:36 AM
i think rahman is a likely opponent.... the word i'm hearing is that since rahman has no belt, king would have little to lose and alot to gain, so he would do it....


also, if you want to criticize VK's opponents, let's look at ruiz and byrd:

golota - has never won a big fight... only had 2 fights in 4 years, but magically gets ranked to get a title shot at byrd

fres - has NEVER beaten another good fighter, but gets 2 title shots

mccline - WTF did he do to get a title shot after getting PUNKED by wlad??

McCline got his shot after big wins over Lance Whitaker and Cedric Boswell. So he earned it (holding back laughter)

Oquendo, I believe, has only lost to Ruiz and Byrd and I had him winning 9 rounds against the Byrdman so Ruiz was likely a consolation gift from Don King.

Golota shouldn't have gotten his shot against Byrd, but when he did and he fought to a draw (I had him winning 7 rounds), he got another fight from King. Kind of like Kali Meehan...

Until Joe Mesi is cleared, James Toney is healthy, every heavyweight contender has a BAD heavyweight loss on their record right now...

BoxingPromoter
12-16-2004, 10:41 AM
Because, no matter what we like to think, these guys don't care what we think, unless it drastically affects their earning potential. And that goes for pretty much any professional sport.

That's precisely the point! If Vitali keeps fighting contenders the fans don't want to see, his market value should go down.

guru
12-16-2004, 10:43 AM
mccline beat whitaker before the loss to wlad, so beating boswell, an unproven prospect who never beaten anyone gets you a title shot?

fres was KTFO by tua, so what did he do get a title shot byrd???

my point is ruiz and byrd aren't exactly fighting worthy guys either...

neils7147933
12-16-2004, 10:43 AM
Maximum profit with minimum risk - Roy Jones did it for years...

neils7147933
12-16-2004, 10:44 AM
mccline beat whitaker before the loss to wlad, so beating boswell, an unproven prospect who never beaten anyone gets you a title shot?

fres was KTFO by tua, so what did he do get a title shot byrd???

my point is ruiz and byrd aren't exactly fighting worthy guys either...

mccline became a "name" (whatever that is anymore) by beating Whitaker, and at Boswell was undefeated so it kept Jameel's ranking "legitimate".

The Tua fight was controversial. Just ask Fres, he'll tell you...

Nautilus
12-16-2004, 10:48 AM
mccline became a "name" (whatever that is anymore) by beating Whitaker, and at Boswell was undefeated so it kept Jameel's ranking "legitimate".

The Tua fight was controversial. Just ask Fres, he'll tell you...

Yeah Rahman beat Tua in the eyes of most fans (but that doesnt count accoridng to Neils)

neils7147933
12-16-2004, 10:50 AM
Yeah Rahman beat Tua in the eyes of most fans (but that doesnt count accoridng to Neils)

"In the eyes of most fans" should count in the court of public opinion...but not in official rankings. Otherwise, why have "official" decisions & outcomes at all? That's why Byrd deserves his ranking, even though I think he's lost 2 of his last 3 fights...

ejk22
12-16-2004, 10:51 AM
I would like him to fight Golota but that won't happen so he should fight Monte Barrett.

guru
12-16-2004, 10:52 AM
mccline became a "name" (whatever that is anymore) by beating Whitaker, and at Boswell was undefeated so it kept Jameel's ranking "legitimate".

The Tua fight was controversial. Just ask Fres, he'll tell you...


so mccline beats beats boswell and gets a title shot, fres loses to tua and gets one... meanhwile sanders beats wlad and williams beats tyson... sounds to me like they are all about as worthy of title shots as each other... which was my point, byrd and ruiz's opponents are just as criticizable as VK's...

neils7147933
12-16-2004, 11:32 AM
...but VK's opponents seem tailor-made to suit his style.

At least Golota wasn't an ideal opponent for Ruiz...

Pno
12-16-2004, 11:59 AM
Kirk Johnson/Corrie Sanders/Danny Williams-All 3 of these fighters did not deserve their shot at the title but somehow miraculously got it.

Aside from the PPV numbers they are willing to let this go on as Vitali is the heavyweight "champ"....


Aside from that, the fact the WBC is making an all-african title makes me question that they will let Vitali face whoever...

Did I mention Mayweather will be fighting for the all-african wbc title in January?


*Sighs*



Jabs-Why not? What had Sanders/Johnson/Williams have done? Atleast Ruiz would fight back and not choke up like the others, Ruiz would actually give Vitali a fight.


what's the deal with this "All-African" title?
haven't heard much about it...

moochi
12-16-2004, 12:03 PM
furthermore.......as vitali will definitely pick an easy opponent, i can even see him fighting valuev,,,,,,,as it would be an easy win, and at the same time it would be the clash of two soviet giants, which could draw some attention.

spinksjinx
12-16-2004, 12:16 PM
what's the deal with this "All-African" title?
haven't heard much about it...


It is a title the WBC is pushing around and only African Americans can win it, It was supposed to be a title that would only be for people in africa but now it is if you are black you can win it, They are going to put it on Floyd to hope gain recognition and when the public caught wind of this they protested it and now they are coming out with latino titles and such.....


Why they are doing this is beyond me, They said it was supposed to be a title where a boxer can get a good start and recognition but I thought that was what the bull**** continental titles were supposed to be.

Just Ignore the whole fiasco if I was you.


Moochi-No, thats a horrible Idea 2 big guys dont mean **** in america when one isnt even known in the states it wouldnt draw 2 flies in an open barn covered in horse ****.

Vitali needs to fight a household american name.

PBDS
12-16-2004, 12:24 PM
i think rahman is a likely opponent.... the word i'm hearing is that since rahman has no belt, king would have little to lose and alot to gain, so he would do it....


also, if you want to criticize VK's opponents, let's look at ruiz and byrd:

golota - has never won a big fight... only had 2 fights in 4 years, but magically gets ranked to get a title shot at byrd

fres - has NEVER beaten another good fighter, but gets 2 title shots

mccline - WTF did he do to get a title shot after getting PUNKED by wlad??


....I couldn't agree with your comments more!! I would like to see him fight Rahman first because it has become fashionable for people to think that he can beat Vit. All of these Vit bashers are saying that Rahman can take him out. I wanna see that fight and see what they all say after the fact. Next I would like to see him fight Byrd and shut his and his fans mouths once and for all.

spinksjinx
12-16-2004, 12:37 PM
....I couldn't agree with your comments more!! I would like to see him fight Rahman first because it has become fashionable for people to think that he can beat Vit. All of these Vit bashers are saying that Rahman can take him out. I wanna see that fight and see what they all say after the fact. Next I would like to see him fight Byrd and shut his and his fans mouths once and for all.


Rahman would probably give Vitali the most trouble out of all of the heavyweights today, that is IF he comes in focused and in shape.


Byrd I am huge on Byrd and would love to see him beat Vitali but I dont see it being much different than the first, Although you have to take into account Byrd took the fight on a weeks notice...So it is hard to tell, Byrd handles Big Guys pretty well down the stretch.

If Rahman came in the way he came in against Meehan or even in the 1st Lewis fight then I have no doubts Hasim would walk out champ that night, But out of all the heavyweights today Rahman would be the one to steal it....But it is a toss up with that damn man you never know how he is going to come in.

Prostitroop
12-16-2004, 12:39 PM
After the Williams fight, Roy Jones suggested: "I think he should get a little piece of the Rock"

spinksjinx
12-16-2004, 12:42 PM
After the Williams fight, Roy Jones suggested: "I think he should get a little piece of the Rock"



Id also like to add in Roy made this quote last Monday:

Tom Arnold:Who's best in that division right now?

Roy Jones: The best in that division right now...and I'm gonna surprise you when I tell you this...And I don't like to say it because I know he hates my guts, but it's the truth. The best heavyweight in the world right now - without me being a heavyweight - is James Toney.



That was on this weeks best damn sports show, Below is the whole transcript.


By Scoop Malinowski

Apparently two devastating knockout losses suffered in 2004 have not in the least affected the legendary Roy Jones facade of confidence. Read on for the latest of Jones' self-serving boxing comments made on Monday night on the Best Damn Sports Show Period!:

Tom Arnold: Do you still have the fastest hands in the world?

Roy Jones: I still got the fastest hands on the planet [sneering and smiling wickedly].

[Audience applauds]

John Salley: I got a question [Cutting off the applause]...From the last fight, don't you need a fast head to get [Salley doesn't finish question]...

[Audience in laughter]

Roy Jones: Well, you gotta have a quick head, but when they pay you that good, sometimes it don't really matter as long as you do what you gotta do.

Tom Arnold: I was thinking about this. I guess you had two bad fights. I guess everybody has a bad fight once in a while. You had two that you lost. What was the reason for that?

Roy Jones: You know, I don't have reasons. I don't make excuses [Antonio Tarver was probably smiling proudly if he was watching]. We go through things in life, you go through ups and downs. And a champion is measured by when he's down, not when he's up. I knew my time was coming one day. Just what's great for me was that I was able to rule the whole time when I was in my prime. And once I got above my prime, they got me two times [smiles]. Now they think it's over and out. But it's not. I'm always ready.

Tom Arnold:Antonio Tarver-Glen Johnson - those two guys that got lucky and beatcha - they're fighting this weekend. Is there any chance you can take on the winner?

Roy Jones: Well, you know with me, I'm the type of guy that whatever the public wants to see is what would happen. I hope both those guys have a good showing this weekend. I think Tarver's the better boxer. I think Glen Johnson's the bigger hustler. So if Glen hustles, he can beat Tarver. If he's best, Tarver's gonna beat him. However...a really, really focused Roy Jones...neither one of them don't have a chance.

Tom Arnold: You were up there at Vegas at that Klitschko deal. If you did fight again, would you fight at heavyweight?

Roy Jones: People ask me that. It's possible that I could go back to the heavyweight division. Just to win the title one more time.

Tom Arnold: That would be nice.

Roy Jones: It would be fun for me.

Tom Arnold:Who's best in that division right now?

Roy Jones: The best in that division right now...and I'm gonna surprise you when I tell you this...And I don't like to say it because I know he hates my guts, but it's the truth. The best heavyweight in the world right now - without me being a heavyweight - is James Toney.

John Salley: Right now he weighs in at 240. If you go in at 215...

Roy Jones: If I go in at 200 I'll still beat him.

Dark Destroyer
12-16-2004, 01:01 PM
I have mixed feelings about Ruiz fighting Vitali.

Ruiz does not deserve the opportunity/payday.

But, he certainly deserves the brutal beating he'd get.

LMAO Even though that was very amusing what you said and i do think he needs a beating for boring us to death. I do however think he deserves the opportunity. He has been the WBA Champ for awhile now and has beaten everyone in front of him except Roy of course. Besides if they fight Vitali will beat him and then we don't have to suffer Ruiz-Byrd in the future. :D

Tha Greatest
12-16-2004, 01:03 PM
I have mixed feelings about Ruiz fighting Vitali.

Ruiz does not deserve the opportunity/payday.

But, he certainly deserves the brutal beating he'd get.


hell ya

and i hope vitali fights byrd n knocks him out this time

dodge
12-16-2004, 01:05 PM
Id also like to add in Roy made this quote last Monday:

Tom Arnold:Who's best in that division right now?

Roy Jones: The best in that division right now...and I'm gonna surprise you when I tell you this...And I don't like to say it because I know he hates my guts, but it's the truth. The best heavyweight in the world right now - without me being a heavyweight - is James Toney.



That was on this weeks best damn sports show, Below is the whole transcript.
IMO Toney and Rahman would be good fights for klitchko.

Pno
12-16-2004, 02:09 PM
even if they aren't good fights for VK, at least they will give the best true test of the possibility of a fighter getting inside VK's jab. Either of those fighters will HAVE TO be successful in getting inside if they want to even consider winning :)

Boxer2005
12-16-2004, 02:53 PM
I would like to see him fight james toney

Pno
12-16-2004, 02:57 PM
From interview of Larry Merchant

Who should Vitali fight next?
The best next fight should be Chris Byrd. But it looks like Rahman is the mandatory challenger now, so it’s possible Vitali will fight Rahman.

What about James Toney?
Toney is still injured and I don’t think they will fight next. It’s possible that they would fight after Vitali’s next fight, maybe at the end of next year.

guru
12-16-2004, 03:03 PM
...but VK's opponents seem tailor-made to suit his style.

At least Golota wasn't an ideal opponent for Ruiz...


sanders, johnson and williams are 3 different styles and fighters, i dont see how they're tailor made for VK..... golota has NEVER beaten a good fighter or won a big fight

guru
12-16-2004, 03:05 PM
roy should shut the fuk up about VK... since the last time he opened his mouth about him, he got ass KTFO TWICE!!!

Great
12-16-2004, 04:52 PM
Byrd or Rahman

Neuraxis
12-16-2004, 04:59 PM
Barrett, Toney, Beck, or some Euro in the WBC top 10.

trinidadpr87
12-16-2004, 05:01 PM
How Come He Hasnt Mentioned Barrett.to Revenge His Bro's Loss He Did It With C.sanders

Pno
12-16-2004, 05:04 PM
Do you mean Brewster?

I'd say because WK probably wants to prove himself due to the previous bout that had the questionable ending with Brewster. I think that VK might want to stay away from Brewster, just to leave open the possibility of WK getting a rematch.

suetombo
12-16-2004, 07:30 PM
i wanna see vitali get some personality and talk **** to lewis and tempt him to get a rematch

MikeHunt
12-16-2004, 07:34 PM
Please make him fight someone with some skill so he gets his ass knocked out and we never have to see or hear from him again.

If he's our new Heavyweight Champion of the World, we have hit an ALL TIME LOW!

Truth
12-16-2004, 09:43 PM
Hasim Rahman would be the opponent I would like to see Klitcshko fight next.

Neuraxis
12-16-2004, 10:02 PM
Please make him fight someone with some skill so he gets his ass knocked out and we never have to see or hear from him again.

If he's our new Heavyweight Champion of the World, we have hit an ALL TIME LOW!

Does the baby want his bottle?

Neuraxis
12-16-2004, 10:03 PM
How Come He Hasnt Mentioned Barrett.to Revenge His Bro's Loss He Did It With C.sanders

I think you are thinking about a different fight. Wlad KD Barrett 5 times and TKO'd him in the 7th.

http://www.irish-boxing.com/graphics/world/Wladimir%20Klitschko_Monte%20Barrett_jab.jpg

BDBowe
12-16-2004, 11:31 PM
I have mixed feelings about Ruiz fighting Vitali.

Ruiz does not deserve the opportunity/payday.

But, he certainly deserves the brutal beating he'd get.

hah this cracks me up.

BDBowe
12-16-2004, 11:34 PM
well looks like your rigth about brewster-golota that will be awesome

BDBowe
12-16-2004, 11:34 PM
and rahman definately could KO klit and i would pay the price of 4 ppv's too seee that

Pno
12-17-2004, 12:21 AM
Rahman could KO even ALI...
if he were standing still blind-folded and maybe drugged.

He can't KO what he can't reach.

dodge
12-17-2004, 04:48 AM
I would like to see Golata vs, Vitali.

1zz
12-17-2004, 06:55 AM
Hashim Rahman!