View Full Version : ODH, where does he belong?


JAB5239
01-11-2011, 05:02 AM
This isn't my all time list at 147, but it would look similar to this. Where is, if anywhere would Oscar fit in based on his career and accomplishments at 147?

1. SRR
2. SRL
3. Armstrong
4. McLarnin
5. Hearns
6. Griffith
7. Corbett III
8. Napoles
9. Burley
10. Walker
11. Zivic
12. Trinidad
13. Ross
14. Palomino
15. Quevas

Wild Blue Yonda
01-11-2011, 09:48 AM
I could see both he & Trinidad as top-20 all-time WW's, but not really higher than that. It's too competitive a field.

De La Hoya might have a case for ranking higher than that as a JWW, though. His stay was brief, but my, was he a brutal ****tail of speed, power & energy.

BigStereotype
01-11-2011, 12:55 PM
Meh. Very good fighter, overrated because he was easy to promote. Good looking guy who is very media savvy, a lot of people think he's better than he was. That leads to him being underrated on forums like this just because there's like a hype resentment or something. Very, very good, wouldn't call him great. More American Gangster than the Godfather.

IronDanHamza
01-11-2011, 01:15 PM
Oscar doesn't make Top 20 at 147 IMO.

jrosales13
01-11-2011, 03:21 PM
I could see both he & Trinidad as top-20 all-time WW's, but not really higher than that. It's too competitive a field.

De La Hoya might have a case for ranking higher than that as a JWW, though. His stay was brief, but my, was he a brutal ****tail of speed, power & energy.

I think Oscar best weights were at 135/140, He had everything size, speed, power. And, he very easily beat some very solid fighters in those weight-classes handily.

katsidis
01-11-2011, 05:12 PM
Its hard to put him in a list for 1 single weight class as its arguable what his best weight class was seing as he went from 130-160.

JAB5239
01-11-2011, 06:26 PM
Let me reiterate...where does Oscar belong on THIS list? This isn't an alltime list though I know there are some familiararities. Surely Oscar ranks higher than Quevas and Palomino, no? Can arguments not be made he should rank higher than Tito and possibly others?

Kid McCoy
01-11-2011, 09:04 PM
This isn't my all time list at 147, but it would look similar to this. Where is, if anywhere would Oscar fit in based on his career and accomplishments at 147?

1. SRR
2. SRL
3. Armstrong
4. McLarnin
5. Hearns
6. Griffith
7. Corbett III
8. Napoles
9. Burley
10. Walker
11. Zivic
12. Trinidad
13. Ross
14. Palomino
15. Quevas

On that particular list I'd say anywhere between 12 and 15 would be okay. I can't see any case for him being rated above the first ten although Trinidad, Cuevas and Palomino were not noticeably more accomplished than Oscar so those four are interchangeable. There are however others not listed who I'd also rate ahead of him, like Kid Lewis, Joe Walcott, Luiz Rodriguez and Jack Britton.

JAB5239
01-11-2011, 09:28 PM
On that particular list I'd say anywhere between 12 and 15 would be okay. I can't see any case for him being rated above the first ten although Trinidad, Cuevas and Palomino were not noticeably more accomplished than Oscar so those four are interchangeable. There are however others not listed who I'd also rate ahead of him, like Kid Lewis, Joe Walcott, Luiz Rodriguez and Jack Britton.

What about Corbett III? It would appear (through my limited knowledge of the particular fighters on his record) that Oscar sports a more noteworthy resume at 147.

Scott9945
01-12-2011, 12:44 AM
Let me reiterate...where does Oscar belong on THIS list? This isn't an alltime list though I know there are some familiararities. Surely Oscar ranks higher than Quevas and Palomino, no? Can arguments not be made he should rank higher than Tito and possibly others?

Oscar doesn't belong on that list. His accomplishments probably pass Palomino's, but I'd give Palomino a great chance to beat him. Cuevas was a better welterweight champion and would have beaten DLH up.

-Huey-
01-12-2011, 12:54 AM
DLH was a beast at 35 and 40. His career at 47 was quite good as well but the lower weights were by far his best...I place him at 10 or 11.

Wild Blue Yonda
01-12-2011, 10:33 AM
It's hard to say, because the list really needs major re-configuring.

bklynboy
01-12-2011, 11:09 AM
I have to say that I never liked ODLH after the Trinidad fight. It may be clouding my judgement but I don't see how he cracks the TOP 20.

JAB5239
01-12-2011, 05:31 PM
It's hard to say, because the list really needs major re-configuring.

Why does it need this "major re-configuration"? As I stated in the very first post this is NOT an all time list, just a test to see where some may or may not think he belongs amongst the fighters names. I've never made a top 15 list a 147, but I know Oscar wouldn't be in it. Neither would Quevas, Palomino, Trinidad, Burley (at least on resume), Zivic or Corbett III.

IMDAZED
01-12-2011, 05:36 PM
This isn't my all time list at 147, but it would look similar to this. Where is, if anywhere would Oscar fit in based on his career and accomplishments at 147?

1. SRR
2. SRL
3. Armstrong
4. McLarnin
5. Hearns
6. Griffith
7. Corbett III
8. Napoles
9. Burley
10. Walker
11. Zivic
12. Trinidad
13. Ross
14. Palomino
15. Quevas
Nowhere near this list, that's where. What did he accomplish at welter? His two best wins are extremely tainted and other than that he lost every other significant fight he had there and holds wins over the great David Kamau, Hector Camacho and Derrell Coley. Whoops, forgot Patrick Charpentier.