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PRboxingfan
12-15-2004, 01:07 PM
Some Heavy Help Needed At HBO
By G. Leon

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Yesterday's report on HBO's farcical PPV thoroughly pointed out how boxing fans were paying $49.95 for garbage last Saturday night. The story, which has generated a tremendous response from the boxing world, touched on all of the fights mentioned, save for one, the main event. Vitali Klitschko-Danny Williams for the WBC heavyweight title, not THE heavyweight championship of the world, as some would like for you to believe.

First of all, after watching Klitschko's last three fights with Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams one must wonder, does HBO, K2, Shelly Finkel, or Klitschko's attorney see to it that a clause is placed in Klitschko's contract, demanding that his opponents train by running to the nearest McDonald's or Wendy's?

It made me sick to my stomach to hear HBO's Jim Lampley rant on about "none of the heavyweights in November" making such a statement.

Give me a break. If they're going to come with these opinions they need to be like the politcians around election time and have the suits, Kerry Davis or Ross Greenburg would do, come on at the end of a telecast to say, "Hi, I'm so an so from HBO and I endorse this message."

Lampley's absurd remarks appear to have been shot from his surgically repaired hip, because he neglected to mention that the other heavyweight champions who fought in November, Byrd and Ruiz, rose from the canvas to win their fights. When Klitschko gets decked and comes back to win a fight maybe we could say he has as much heart as Byrd and Ruiz do.

Most importantly, Byrd and Ruiz had LEGIT challengers in front of them on November 13, both of whom threw more than ten punches in the fight.

Williams, like virtually every other fighter on the show, was only seen by the American Public on Showtime when he stopped Mike Tyson in four rounds.

I for one loved how they advertised the "punch heard round the world."

Perhaps HBO has selective hearing loss because it's obvious the punches that bested Ramirez, and twice bested Navarro and Bailey on Showtime, weren't heard at all.

And am I the only person who thinks the only shape HBO seems to be concerned with regarding Klitschko's opponents is round?

Since HBO seems to be in dire need of assistance regarding it's heavyweight matchmaking, we'll help them out.

Keep it simple and set up a heavyweight tournament. All it would take is two HBO World Championship Boxing dates to get the ball rolling.

IF HBO truly WANTS a REAL heavyweight champion, if they truly want to spark some interest in heavyweight boxing, particularly some real interest behind their beloved Klitschko they have the dates to do it, all they have to do now is make nicey with Don King, who has much of the heavyweight market cornered.

To me, a heavyweight tournament should look like something like this, HBO DATE 1:Chris Byrd-James Toney (IBF), John Ruiz-Jameel McCline (WBA) HBO DATE 2: Vitali Klitschko-Hasim Rahman (WBC), Lamon Brewster-Andrew Golota (WBO).

Winners fight winners until there's one left, one heavyweight champion of the world.

It's a capitalist game, this boxing, and HBO is the eight hundred pound gorilla that seems to be thinking more like a chimpanzee these days.

BIGPOPPAPUMP
12-15-2004, 01:42 PM
Some Heavy Help Needed At HBO
By G. Leon

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Yesterday's report on HBO's farcical PPV thoroughly pointed out how boxing fans were paying $49.95 for garbage last Saturday night. The story, which has generated a tremendous response from the boxing world, touched on all of the fights mentioned, save for one, the main event. Vitali Klitschko-Danny Williams for the WBC heavyweight title, not THE heavyweight championship of the world, as some would like for you to believe.

First of all, after watching Klitschko's last three fights with Kirk Johnson, Corrie Sanders and Danny Williams one must wonder, does HBO, K2, Shelly Finkel, or Klitschko's attorney see to it that a clause is placed in Klitschko's contract, demanding that his opponents train by running to the nearest McDonald's or Wendy's?

It made me sick to my stomach to hear HBO's Jim Lampley rant on about "none of the heavyweights in November" making such a statement.

Give me a break. If they're going to come with these opinions they need to be like the politcians around election time and have the suits, Kerry Davis or Ross Greenburg would do, come on at the end of a telecast to say, "Hi, I'm so an so from HBO and I endorse this message."

Lampley's absurd remarks appear to have been shot from his surgically repaired hip, because he neglected to mention that the other heavyweight champions who fought in November, Byrd and Ruiz, rose from the canvas to win their fights. When Klitschko gets decked and comes back to win a fight maybe we could say he has as much heart as Byrd and Ruiz do.

Most importantly, Byrd and Ruiz had LEGIT challengers in front of them on November 13, both of whom threw more than ten punches in the fight.

Williams, like virtually every other fighter on the show, was only seen by the American Public on Showtime when he stopped Mike Tyson in four rounds.

I for one loved how they advertised the "punch heard round the world."

Perhaps HBO has selective hearing loss because it's obvious the punches that bested Ramirez, and twice bested Navarro and Bailey on Showtime, weren't heard at all.

And am I the only person who thinks the only shape HBO seems to be concerned with regarding Klitschko's opponents is round?

Since HBO seems to be in dire need of assistance regarding it's heavyweight matchmaking, we'll help them out.

Keep it simple and set up a heavyweight tournament. All it would take is two HBO World Championship Boxing dates to get the ball rolling.

IF HBO truly WANTS a REAL heavyweight champion, if they truly want to spark some interest in heavyweight boxing, particularly some real interest behind their beloved Klitschko they have the dates to do it, all they have to do now is make nicey with Don King, who has much of the heavyweight market cornered.

To me, a heavyweight tournament should look like something like this, HBO DATE 1:Chris Byrd-James Toney (IBF), John Ruiz-Jameel McCline (WBA) HBO DATE 2: Vitali Klitschko-Hasim Rahman (WBC), Lamon Brewster-Andrew Golota (WBO).

Winners fight winners until there's one left, one heavyweight champion of the world.

It's a capitalist game, this boxing, and HBO is the eight hundred pound gorilla that seems to be thinking more like a chimpanzee these days.

keep in mind that Leon is on Don King's payroll so his comments are very biased.

SacTown1
12-15-2004, 01:53 PM
I like your perspective, and I love the idea of a tournament, but let's speed things up a bit with the unification matches, then have the champ take on all comers, here's a different tourney scenario, tell me what you think:

March: Byrd-Ruiz (IBF/WBA): easy fight to make, and FINALLY easy to sell to the public, if we know that the winner gets the WBC champ next it'll be much more interesting

April/May: Klitschko-Rahman (WBC), Brewster-Toney (WBO), McCline-Golota: all competitive fights, would make a good heavyweight PPV card

(June/July off)

August: Toney/Brewster winner vs. McCline/Golota winner (WBO)

September: Byrd/Ruiz winner vs. Klitschko/Rahman winner (IBF, WBC, WBA)

December/January: UNDISPUTED CHAMPIONSHIP

marvdave
12-15-2004, 02:10 PM
I like your perspective, and I love the idea of a tournament, but let's speed things up a bit with the unification matches, then have the champ take on all comers, here's a different tourney scenario, tell me what you think:

March: Byrd-Ruiz (IBF/WBA): easy fight to make, and FINALLY easy to sell to the public, if we know that the winner gets the WBC champ next it'll be much more interesting

April/May: Klitschko-Rahman (WBC), Brewster-Toney (WBO), McCline-Golota: all competitive fights, would make a good heavyweight PPV card

(June/July off)

August: Toney/Brewster winner vs. McCline/Golota winner (WBO)

September: Byrd/Ruiz winner vs. Klitschko/Rahman winner (IBF, WBC, WBA)

December/January: UNDISPUTED CHAMPIONSHIP

it's a great idea, but don't count on it. I'll keep on the lookout for flying donkeys.

Leon is King's little *****, so his words don't hold water to me

Pno
12-15-2004, 02:17 PM
i think all champions should only fight other champions until there is only ONE...
no nonsense fights where there's only a risk of one person loosing their belt...

Neuraxis
12-15-2004, 02:19 PM
G. Leon is an idiot.

Tha Greatest
12-15-2004, 02:24 PM
i read half of that

but all i can say is john ruiz lost that fight

chris byrd won but he's a *****
he says his win over klitschko wasnt a fluke
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..........I don't remember chris byrd doin nethin to him........
klitschko had a injury n he was still woopin his ****in ass

guru
12-15-2004, 02:30 PM
that idiot thinks that byrd and ruiz had REAL challengers and VK didn't????

golota hans't won a fight in over 2 yeras and quit against tyson, the guy willims KTFO.... mccline hasn't beaten anyone either? what win on mccline's resume looks better than beating an old tyson?? none....

the klit haters are just as annoying and biased as the klit fans

Nodogoshi
12-15-2004, 03:18 PM
that idiot thinks that byrd and ruiz had REAL challengers and VK didn't????

golota hans't won a fight in over 2 yeras and quit against tyson, the guy willims KTFO.... mccline hasn't beaten anyone either? what win on mccline's resume looks better than beating an old tyson?? none....

the klit haters are just as annoying and biased as the klit fans

Vitaly shows potential, for sure, but he has yet to beat a legitimate top 10 fighter. He beat up a fat, old, injured Cory Sanders and a Danny Williams who got KOd by Sam and barely beat an injured old out of shape Tyson. Golota is better then anyone Vitaly has ever beat. Infact, Golota would have a pretty good chance to KO Vitaly IMO. After watching Vitaly fight Lewis and Williams, I noticed that Vitaly does not like to get hit. When either one of these guys jabbed Vitaly looked very uncomfortable. I can easily see Golota landing his one two straight down the middle and droping Vitaly to the canvas. For that matter, I can just as easily see Golota getting KOd in the same fashion but these guys look pretty even to me. If Vitaly wouldve fought the same Lewis as Golota fought their fights may have turned out the same.

Boxer2005
12-15-2004, 04:26 PM
I would have been pissed if I had paid 50 bucks for Vitali Vs Danny...

RobbieD
12-15-2004, 05:06 PM
Danny Williams was the best challenger out there. Byrd and Ruiz are freaking jokes. Brewster? Leave me out. Who the hell is he? He is barely known in the boxing world, nevermind to normal people. The Average Joe was well aware Danny Williams knocked out Tyson and made a name for himself. They have no idea who Byrd and Ruiz are. Obviously HBO are going to put together fights that can draw.

Neuraxis
12-15-2004, 05:49 PM
Vitaly shows potential, for sure, but he has yet to beat a legitimate top 10 fighter. He beat up a fat, old, injured Cory Sanders and a Danny Williams who got KOd by Sam and barely beat an injured old out of shape Tyson. Golota is better then anyone Vitaly has ever beat. Infact, Golota would have a pretty good chance to KO Vitaly IMO. After watching Vitaly fight Lewis and Williams, I noticed that Vitaly does not like to get hit. When either one of these guys jabbed Vitaly looked very uncomfortable. I can easily see Golota landing his one two straight down the middle and droping Vitaly to the canvas. For that matter, I can just as easily see Golota getting KOd in the same fashion but these guys look pretty even to me. If Vitaly wouldve fought the same Lewis as Golota fought their fights may have turned out the same.

What has Golota ever done besides lose to Grant, Ruiz, Lewis, and Bowe twice?

ejk22
12-15-2004, 06:11 PM
That's hypocritical of you to say Neuraxis. You mention that Vitali did not really lose to Byrd and Lewis because he was ahead on the scorecards in both bouts but you say Golota lost twice to Bowe? Golota was dominating Bowe until he got stupid and hit him low. That's a double standard on your part.

Neuraxis
12-15-2004, 07:34 PM
That's hypocritical of you to say Neuraxis. You mention that Vitali did not really lose to Byrd and Lewis because he was ahead on the scorecards in both bouts but you say Golota lost twice to Bowe? Golota was dominating Bowe until he got stupid and hit him low. That's a double standard on your part.

Not really. Vitali didn't repeatedly keep doing something knowing that if he kept doing it that he would get DQ'd. Golota did. Vitali lost to Byrd because of an injury and he lost to Lewis because of cuts. Golota went low a lot more than just one time. Golota lost because he simply can't handle getting hit by big punchers.