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phook
09-01-2005, 10:49 AM
should i continue lifting weights for boxing

triggerhappy
09-01-2005, 10:54 AM
should i continue lifting weights for boxing
lift light weights. Heavy weights will make you stiff in the ring

EXIGE
09-01-2005, 10:55 AM
should i continue lifting weights for boxing
I suggest do little amounts of weight training and make sure you lift the weights quickly. This way you will build muscle mass quicker and you will also increase your speed.

Only a small part of my training regime is taken up by weights...

thekidd
09-01-2005, 12:28 PM
My training only consists of about 15-20 mins of weight training.

triggerhappy
09-02-2005, 08:10 AM
Man you guys have heard some serious bull**** about lifting weights. Lifting heavy weights will make u stiff in the ring? WTF?! C'mon who told you that or what uneducated article did you read that from. Listen up guys I'm here to tell everyone on this board who have been lied to for years, just so one company could sell their products over free weights, they got it all wrong. one acronym......NFL, says it all. Stiffness is a result of not training flexibility. Keep getting lied to and believing it, while other athletes are combining scientific training and dieting with superior educated boxing coaches, who empasize well rounded skills, you guys are going to get your asses handed to you. Believe what u learn not hearsay. A few good questions since you know so much about muscle physiology triggerhappy, how many motor units to light weights recruit? How many motor units do heavy weights recruit? And last but not least how many motor units does throwing a punch with bad intentions recruit? If you can answer those questions and still show bias for heavyweights then bruh u know a helluva lot more than world renowned scientest , and fo damn sho **** loads more than me.
Hey jackass i never said that i know so much about muscle physiology i just dont think is a good idea to lift heavey weights while you train for boxing...you beleave what you wanna beleave and ill beleave what i wanna too.

Pugnacious_Z
09-02-2005, 08:48 AM
triggerhappy, u got the crapiest avatar and sig, u bloody foot fetish puff, ugly ass feet, dat **** is nasty

triggerhappy
09-02-2005, 09:59 AM
triggerhappy, u got the crapiest avatar and sig, u bloody foot fetish puff, ugly ass feet, dat **** is nasty
Well who cares what you think, i like them

Warhawk46
09-02-2005, 12:46 PM
BigDozer is right. Proper weighttraining WILL NOT hinder boxing performance but rather strengthen it. The key is to recruit the fast-twitch muscle fibers. Also, maintain a good flexability routine.

Most important to not sacrifice traditional skills training. A well-rounded boxing program will include cardio conditioning, skills training such as shadowboxing, mitts, speed bag, heavy bag etc, sparring AND weight training.

Dozer is also right to point to the NFL as a blueprint. We are talking about most elite ATHLETES (besides some track and field)on the planet. It is really amazing what these men are pyhsically able to do.

Weight training needs to be a part of any boxing program. Just make sure it is the right type of training (ie: not a traditional bodybuilding program) because those who ignore this important aspect of training will suffer.

tebe6sm
09-02-2005, 02:20 PM
Use periodization in with weights. This will allow you to enhance limit strength (max amount of force you can exert), starting strength (ability to activate as many muscle fibers as possible), and explosive strength (ability to continue after starting strength). Limit strength is best trained with 80-90% of your max, starting around 50-70%(also plyometrics are great for starting strength), and explosive strength around 70-80%.

You could do a periodization schedule over a long period of time. Such a schedule would look like this:
*3-4 weeks for each step
1.) 3-4 sets of 8-12 reps
2.) 3-5 sets of 6-8 reps
3.) 3-5 sets of 4-6 reps
4.) 3-6 sets of 1-3 reps

You could also periodize a week:
8-12 reps Monday, 6-8 Wednesday, 3-5 Saturday.

There is no perfect system for everyone. You have to find what you like and what works best and stick with it because everyone's body responds differently to different stimuli. Make sure to keep variation to keep the body guessing and therefore bringing out continuous improvement.

bebopfan05
09-03-2005, 12:01 AM
Lifting weights is important to boxing. The thing is you don't want big arms. So here's the thing you need to do certain things correctly. When you bench you should start at your max and work your way down. this will give you the same strength but smaller arms. If you start below your max and work your way up it will give you big arms like ppl in the nfl. also if you lift many reps of light weights this will make your arms big but won't necessarily make you stronger. And for best results with tightness, before a fight don't lift your max or just don't lift at all up to 7-4 days before a fight

bebopfan05
09-03-2005, 02:37 PM
Well, to tell you the truth you really shouldn't have a desired weight persay. i mean i'm not saying you should bench and thats it. Do alittle of everything. Work out every muscle. But if you don't bench alot then your max will not increase. I'm not sure its worth stopping. Cause when you think of a punch alot of that power comes from ur chest so. and about that 4 week thing i never heard of that so i can't really say anything on it

bebopfan05
09-03-2005, 10:41 PM
sry i miss understood what you said. I thought you meant a desired weight on the bench press. But you should have a desired body weight.
But if you reach it that doesn't mean stop gaining muscle. and as for punching power coming from ur chest, i said alot of it comes from your chest. but that doesn't mean all of it does. its important to work on biceps,triceps,lats,forearms,etc.....

and no i haven't heard of conversion phase , i do understand the concept of not benching befor a fight but not benching for 4 weeks is a bit extreme. you will lose alot of weight off your max though

but i suppose its all a matter of preference

Inf3rn0
09-04-2005, 12:23 PM
I suggest do little amounts of weight training and make sure you lift the weights quickly. This way you will build muscle mass quicker and you will also increase your speed.

Only a small part of my training regime is taken up by weights...

I agree. Do weight training with quick reps, that way you can develop Explosive Power and by doing this with lighter weights and higher reps you will not get "big" and slower.

Inf3rn0
09-04-2005, 04:43 PM
i have to read all that, :(

Inf3rn0
09-04-2005, 04:47 PM
lifting alot of heavyweights can build alot of muscle, wich can make you slower stiffer in the ring and bigger.
And im not to say that you cannot imcrease to weigth of your weight that you lift/punch-out with etc.
im just saying that it is recommended that for boxing you use Lighter (ligher as in bout 60%, i think it is, of you max) weights and do more reps with them.

Inf3rn0
09-04-2005, 05:42 PM
Im tired.....leave me alone...

Inf3rn0
09-04-2005, 05:43 PM
oh and btw i know what builds muscle and how....
I'll read it though...

Inf3rn0
09-04-2005, 06:04 PM
Im not complaining about You
Its just that im tired and your posting about 80 lines in a post (not that im complaining).
and thats my own knoledge, i said id read your post beacause i may learn something.

Thats all.

Pugnacious_Z
09-05-2005, 08:08 AM
bigdozer, i agree with ya bro, most people involved in boxing think dat if u lift any weights u get slow and stiff but dats bull****, look at holyfield for example. there 2 old school

Inf3rn0
09-05-2005, 05:34 PM
That was just what i new,

And when i meant "leave me alone" i meant it in a kinda sarky way cuz it was like 1 in the morning or summing i cant remember and i was tired.

Inf3rn0
09-05-2005, 08:18 PM
But how often do you see people give diagnosis to people and they are not doctors. People don't take exercise physiology seriously, so they make up theories about what does what affects what, it pisses me off. Most people have never heard of things like cycle ergometers, and hydrostatic weighing. Most people don't know mitochondria are or what hyperlasia is. They couldn't tell you what andenosine triphosphate was or how the body uses it, let alone that it even occurs in the human body. So forgive my outburst, but I really don' like it when lies are told about something I care about. Lies like heavyweights make you big and slow when heavyweights allow the body to use maximal amounts of motor units which increases muscle twitch response with lead to increased speed, which is power. Fitness companies have lied for years to sell their procducts. And the big, slow, and stiff story was a lie used almost 50 years ago to sell exercise machines to Health clubs instead of free weights. So how could the scientist give you the facts and you not believe them yet some idiot tell you they are bad for you and you believe them?

Im newer to boxing, and im only 15 so i dont know everything as im still learning things and havent been "working out" (if you could call it that) for long, so i dont know the affects of things too well.

And no i dont know Half the things that you mentioned in your last post, however as i said the things i said in my posts were my knowledge or what i have heard.I have not heard all of the Facts regarding muscle and the body and how it reacts to things etc etc.. and as i say im new to these forums and boxing itself.

And no i dont like people argue with you and back up what they say with lies or whatever the cases are, but i dont think many poeple in the forum do.

tebe6sm
09-05-2005, 09:24 PM
here's a good article on weightlifting for boxers:
http://www.rossboxing.com/thegym/thegym3.htm

Inf3rn0
09-05-2005, 10:37 PM
seen the article, havent read it all though.

good article, good site.

antseezee
09-05-2005, 11:56 PM
Rossboxing has some good articles, and some blown out of proportion. Check out the "Intensifying the Heavy Bag" article - great stuff.

v1p3r
09-06-2005, 09:06 AM
wow, good website.
could learn alot from that. :D

Hunna
09-06-2005, 09:39 AM
1.weights can fatigue quicker,but does make u more explosive, but one explosive punch cant help when u are countered with a quick combo.
2. try not to do heavy, explosive weights session 2 days out from fighting or sparring, maybe even a week or 4 days b4 fighting.
Evander stopped weights a week out from a fight.
3. try to include a cardio workout also with ya weight session.

phook
09-06-2005, 10:02 AM
nice site but whats plyometric push ups?

tebe6sm
09-06-2005, 11:02 AM
pushups where you push off the ground; you can add handclaps in the air if you want for added difficulty