Why wasnt Meldrick Taylor the same after this fight????

Why wasnt Meldrick Taylor the same after this fight????


The answer is because he had it beaten out of him. It happens in boxing.

The answer is because he had it beaten out of him. It happens in boxing.


it seemed as though he was domiating that fight until he got KO'd, why didnt the same happen to Chavez?

it seemed as though he was domiating that fight until he got KO'd, why didnt the same happen to Chavez?


Some guys can just take more punishment than others. Yes Taylor was winning rounds, but the punches he was hitting Chavez with were nowhere near as damaging as the punches Chaves was hitting him with.

The bone around Taylor's eye was broken, he swallowed ungodly amounts of blood from bleeding in his mouth, suffered damage to his body from all the body punches. The doctor at the hospital said Taylor was pissing pure blood after, suffered brain damage.

The brain damage at first was not noticable, but it was big enough to slow his great reflexes down and as time went on only got worse and worse to the point now were he cant even take care of himself.

he fougtht the fight of his life and got robbed. he took alot of punishment too

he fougtht the fight of his life and got robbed. he took alot of punishment too


When the ref ask you if you OK two times and you dont respond he needs to stop the fight end of story. Its not Steel's job to keep time.

deal with it.

Some guys can just take more punishment than others. Yes Taylor was winning rounds, but the punches he was hitting Chavez with were nowhere near as damaging as the punches Chaves was hitting him with.

The bone around Taylor's eye was broken, he swallowed ungodly amounts of blood from bleeding in his mouth, suffered damage to his body from all the body punches. The doctor at the hospital said Taylor was pissing pure blood after, suffered brain damage.

The brain damage at first was not noticable, but it was big enough to slow his great reflexes down and as time went on only got worse and worse to the point now were he cant even take care of himself.


thank makes sense. Thanks. and thanks for uploading that classic. have 5,000 points.

he fougtht the fight of his life and got robbed. he took alot of punishment too


i just finished watching this fight. He asked Taylor twice if he was ok, and Taylor didnt even look at the ref. Robbery? **** no. Miracle? Indeed.

ya not only did he hit chavez with everythin he had
and not do much damage
but he was taken incredible damage

yes he could have let him continue
for those last 10 or 5 secs
but what if he would have received even more damgae to his health from those last one or two shots chavez would have landed
its the refs job to protect the fighter

it could have been alot worse for meldrick if he had let him continue

taylor was being hit by solid punches throughout the whole fight

Taylor vs Chavez was a lot like Morales vs Barrera 1. Where Morales landed more shots than Barrera. But Barrera was landing the heavier shots. Only in this case the HBO crew had their pom poms for Taylor and therefore made it appear as if Taylor was totally dominating till he got caught.

In reality the fight was highly competitive. Dont believe that HBO legendary nights BS. They say chavez started punishing Meldrick from the mid point of the fight on. In reality the first of many cuts inside of Meldrick's mouth happened in round 2. He was also stunned pretty good at the end of round 2 by Chavez lead rights and left hooks. That whole Meldrick started boxing from the outside then he got close and thats why chavez messed him up is BS. Chavez was damaging him from the beginning of the fight.

Put it this way, While meldricks pace was incredible he threw over 1000 punches, Chavez's normal pace was virtually unchanged. Like Meldricks shots were having no effect on him. Taylor had a bad habit of throwing repated left hooks and lower his right hand and most of his opponents would cover up to not get hit, chavez took advantage and if u see the fight u see him almost wait for meldrick to throw his left hook so he can throw his own.

And thus the picture on my avatar.

Also while Chavez has never really gotten credit for his defence he, was truely a technically sound fighter and he blocked a lot of jabs, hooks, and rights.

chavez showed a lot of skill in that fight, taylor was just too fuccing fast chavez would land one good shot and taylor would respond by bouncing numerous shots off his skull. the speed disparity was shocking. just an incredible performance by chavez, completely outclassed talent wise and was hit with like 30 low blows and still came on for the KO. if anyone wants to ***** about anything richard steele did in that fight it would be letting chavez get hit low so many times.

Taylor vs Chavez was a lot like Morales vs Barrera 1. Where Morales landed more shots than Barrera. But Barrera was landing the heavier shots. Only in this case the HBO crew had their pom poms for Taylor and therefore made it appear as if Taylor was totally dominating till he got caught.

In reality the fight was highly competitive. Dont believe that HBO legendary nights BS. They say chavez started punishing Meldrick from the mid point of the fight on. In reality the first of many cuts inside of Meldrick's mouth happened in round 2. He was also stunned pretty good at the end of round 2 by Chavez lead rights and left hooks. That whole Meldrick started boxing from the outside then he got close and thats why chavez messed him up is BS. Chavez was damaging him from the beginning of the fight.

Put it this way, While meldricks pace was incredible he threw over 1000 punches, Chavez's normal pace was virtually unchanged. Like Meldricks shots were having no effect on him. Taylor had a bad habit of throwing repated left hooks and lower his right hand and most of his opponents would cover up to not get hit, chavez took advantage and if u see the fight u see him almost wait for meldrick to throw his left hook so he can throw his own.

And thus the picture on my avatar.

Also while Chavez has never really gotten credit for his defence he, was truely a technically sound fighter and he blocked a lot of jabs, hooks, and rights.


that fight was superbly classic. I saw it for the first time today. Absolutely astonishing. It was much closer than the ring boys were calling it. They must have been in favor of Taylor's outworking Chavez, but yeah, JCC was landing crushing blows. The K.O. punch was unbelievable. I missed the Legendary Nights telecast. What happened to Taylor? is he mentally damaged for life now?

that fight was superbly classic. I saw it for the first time today. Absolutely astonishing. It was much closer than the ring boys were calling it. They must have been in favor of Taylor's outworking Chavez, but yeah, JCC was landing crushing blows. The K.O. punch was unbelievable. I missed the Legendary Nights telecast. What happened to Taylor? is he mentally damaged for life now?

Yeah HBO and basically every American was rooting for Taylor its probably the most nationalistic fight ever made. As for whats up with Taylor, he has chronic brain injury and has a speech impediment, some people didnt let him retire when he finally did think about it (one being Don King) and so he is very bad now.

This is the first fight i ever saw.got me into boxing,not a lot of fights like this now a days.

i just finished watching this fight. He asked Taylor twice if he was ok, and Taylor didnt even look at the ref. Robbery? **** no. Miracle? Indeed.
Taylor did get robbed. If you dont know the story, what happened is when Steele was talking to him, Taylor's trainer Lou Dibella was up on the ring post talking to him. That's why Taylor didnt respond because he was looking at his trainer, plus there was less then 10 seconds left in the fight. The ring has a light on it that flashes with 10 seconds left. The refs are trained to pay attetion to the light and not stop the fight if it goes off in the last round

I'm a Philadelphian...& I rooted for CHAVEZ that night (even though I was a Taylor fan, also).


To this day, I still rate their fight as the BEST fight I have ever seen.
I've said it before....every great element of boxing was on display that night.


Taylor fought the fight of his life that night. He put everything he had out there.....& took a tremendous beating.
What this fight did to Mel's physical & mental state as a fighter cannot be calculated....

Taylor did get robbed. If you dont know the story, what happened is when Steele was talking to him, Taylor's trainer Lou Dibella was up on the ring post talking to him. That's why Taylor didnt respond because he was looking at his trainer, plus there was less then 10 seconds left in the fight. The ring has a light on it that flashes with 10 seconds left. The refs are trained to pay attetion to the light and not stop the fight if it goes off in the last round


when your face looks like its been through a meat grinder and the ref asks you twice to respond to him after a vicious knockdown and you dont say anything, i dont know how steele could be faulted for that. if anyones at fault maybe duva shouldve shut his fat mouth and let taylor respond to the ref (if he was even capable of doing that)

he fougtht the fight of his life and got robbed. he took alot of punishment too

I agree...2 damn seconds left and he stopped it :eek: Taylor's still paying the price and all for nothing! :(

saddest story in boxing history

when i see meldrick taylor now thats sad

b4 thatfight he looked normal n great n healthy

ever since then his life has been messeed up n depressing

but if richard steele didnt stop that fight

what if chavez landed another BIG shot after that beating he took

he could've ended up worsee then ever
but tha saddest story in boxing today
if they gave him tha decision his life would've ended up tha opposite though

Taylor did fight the fight of his life but I don't see what HBO saw that night. I saw the fight 6 to 5 in favor of Chavez until the stoppage. Chavez consistently hit Taylor with the harder shots throughout the entire fight. Taylor threw more and landed some good punches but alot of his punches were blocked, ducked or slipped. It's amazing how the HBO crew ignored Taylor's swollen face until the last three rounds or so. The stoppage was correct Taylor was a beaten man in there.

Taylor did get robbed. If you dont know the story, what happened is when Steele was talking to him, Taylor's trainer Lou Dibella was up on the ring post talking to him. That's why Taylor didnt respond because he was looking at his trainer, plus there was less then 10 seconds left in the fight. The ring has a light on it that flashes with 10 seconds left. The refs are trained to pay attetion to the light and not stop the fight if it goes off in the last round

it looked to me like Taylor was looking toward Chavez

Chavez was on the other side Taylor was looking at Lou Duva.

Chavez was on the other side Taylor was looking at Lou Duva.


what was duva doing there?

what was duva doing there?
If anyone is to blame for Meldrick Taylor losing that fight, it is Lou Duva. He told Taylor that he needed to win that last round. If Taylor kept away, he probably would not have been caught in the final seconds of the fight. He also has no business distracting the fighter when asked to respond to critical questions.

saddest story in boxing history

when i see meldrick taylor now thats sad

b4 thatfight he looked normal n great n healthy

ever since then his life has been messeed up n depressing

but if richard steele didnt stop that fight

what if chavez landed another BIG shot after that beating he took

he could've ended up worsee then ever
but tha saddest story in boxing today
if they gave him tha decision his life would've ended up tha opposite though

I keep thinking that with only 2 sec's remaining there wouldnt have been time for him to land any more big shots...JMO :confused:

I keep thinking that with only 2 sec's remaining there wouldnt have been time for him to land any more big shots...JMO :confused:

ya i guess u rite

ya i guess u rite

I dont know...I do wish that he had acknowledged Steeles quesion, and then by the time they met in the center of the ring again it would have been over...or so I thought. :confused: Its just very sad but I have to deal with that sort of thing if I'm gonna watch it ;)

I really wish people would stop trying to say if Taylor had gotten to continue his life would have been different and better.

It wouldn't have the punishmenrt he took is what made him like that not the stoppage

Well Taylor wasn't the same after that fight because he wasn't able to recover from the humilation and he wasn't able to erase that experience in people mind. He was exposed. The physcological scars from that experience is very evident from then on.

I keep thinking that with only 2 sec's remaining there wouldnt have been time for him to land any more big shots...JMO :confused:

There was actually about 7 or 6 seconds remaining when Richard steele had his hands up waving the fight off. The official time they put though was 2 seconds.

Thats an eternity in boxing and Taylor had no legs left.

As for who is to blame for taylor loosing the fight, Only taylor and chavez is to blame. When you are in there its only you.

Taylor was NOT robbed because

1)He did not answer the ref.. TWICE

2)Was not in a ready to fight stance

3)Was leaning and wobbeling on the ropes

4)Taylor landed like 20 low blows in the bout which were flagrant (part of his strategy) he coulda been Dqed and he would been seen like a nother golota.

I really wish people would stop trying to say if Taylor had gotten to continue his life would have been different and better.

It wouldn't have the punishmenrt he took is what made him like that not the stoppage

It wont be better no matter what, the brain damage will always be there. I'm just saying that for him to spend the rest of his life that way, getting the W for the fight that caused the damage would have been nice anyway. He was winning that fight anyway but Steele had to stop it with 2 sec' remaining. And, there was alot of talk about Chavez being a Don King fighter and Taylor's corner trying very hard to get a different ref long before the fight took place because it was a well known fact that DK and Steele were very good friends. It all just seemed 'off' when added up like that. So no, the victory wouldnt have changed the shape he's in...I'm not saying it would, but it sure wouldnt hurt knowing that it wasnt ALL for nothing

There was actually about 7 or 6 seconds remaining when Richard steele had his hands up waving the fight off. The official time they put though was 2 seconds.

Thats an eternity in boxing and Taylor had no legs left.

As for who is to blame for taylor loosing the fight, Only taylor and chavez is to blame. When you are in there its only you.

Taylor was NOT robbed because

1)He did not answer the ref.. TWICE

2)Was not in a ready to fight stance

3)Was leaning and wobbeling on the ropes

4)Taylor landed like 20 low blows in the bout which were flagrant (part of his strategy) he coulda been Dqed and he would been seen like a nother golota.

Thats cool..different people are gonna look at it differently. I already posted that mine wasnt exactly the popular opinion, which I knew before making the first post about it.
I still feel that whole affair was shady, in a way that only Don King (and maybe Arum) can make it.

It wont be better no matter what, the brain damage will always be there. I'm just saying that for him to spend the rest of his life that way, getting the W for the fight that caused the damage would have been nice anyway. He was winning that fight anyway but Steele had to stop it with 2 sec' remaining. And, there was alot of talk about Chavez being a Don King fighter and Taylor's corner trying very hard to get a different ref long before the fight took place because it was a well known fact that DK and Steele were very good friends. It all just seemed 'off' when added up like that. So no, the victory wouldnt have changed the shape he's in...I'm not saying it would, but it sure wouldnt hurt knowing that it wasnt ALL for nothing


King and Steele being good friends is nothing but Duva propaganda. The only people to blame for him not winning is his corner.

King and Steele being good friends is nothing but Duva propaganda. The only people to blame for him not winning is his corner.

Steele admitted to being long time friends of Don's and promised when asked about it that it would not affect him while doing his job. That alone tells me he should have stepped down from that one particular fight.

Thats cool..different people are gonna look at it differently. I already posted that mine wasnt exactly the popular opinion, which I knew before making the first post about it.
I still feel that whole affair was shady, in a way that only Don King (and maybe Arum) can make it.

Thats the thing it wasnt, Steele had the opportunity to repeatedly screw Taylor, deducting points , even a DQ. Counting Taylor's fall in the 12th as a KD. etc.

But he didnt it was simply a By the rules call.

Steele admitted to being long time friends of Don's and promised when asked about it that it would not affect him while doing his job. That alone tells me he should have stepped down from that one particular fight.

I never heard that, but I have heard Steele say he has no connecetion with King whatsoever and the only time they have communicated was when it was neccasary.

Steele admitted to being long time friends of Don's and promised when asked about it that it would not affect him while doing his job. That alone tells me he should have stepped down from that one particular fight.

I saw an interview where he said not once has he ever said more than 10 words to king and it has always been in the ring.

i agree wit u....he was hurt mentally

thats weird..I read an indepth interview with Steele a while back and he claimed they had been friends for yrs :confused:

as its been brought up
ya taylor was flurring alot
but many were missen or being slipped
while chavez consistinly landed damging blows

there were lil more then 5 secs or so left
taylor had no legs and no wits about him
chavez would have easily landed the finishin blow
finshin for his career
or even his life
as we know he got brain damage in that fight

taylor should thank steele for thinkin about his health and not his record

how many low blows did taylor land in the fight? 30? 40? it was a ridiculous amount. to say that steele was biased towards chavez is absured. if he was why didnt he take any points away from taylor? if anything he looked biased in taylors favor throughout the fight.

steele wasnt biased either way, he was doing his job, taylor clearly would not look at him or acknowledge him when steele repeatedly asked him if he was ok, he had no choice but to stop the fight

OKAY..got it, dayyymmmnnn! :eek:

OKAY..got it, dayyymmmnnn! :eek:


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:D lol everyone against tracy. i say you should still stick you your position, if everyones in agreement its no fun

hahaha


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no kidding!! Attack!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :D (Let's just say I MAY be wrong?? Perhaps??)

:D lol everyone against tracy. i say you should still stick you your position, if everyones in agreement its no fun

Oh I'm sticking....this here is me sticking! ;) (and I still think Steele is an ass :p )

It's really a shame what has become of Taylor. When he was young and fighting at 135 he was flat out one of the best fighters I have ever seen. His problem is weight and Gym wars cuaght up to him. People seem to forget what a great fighter he was and how great he could have been if he was a different type guy....(not so "macho")

As far as the Chavez fight goes, Chavez put a physical whupping on Taylor. Taylor was ahead on points and I DON'T think Steele should have stopped it, but I'm not emotional about it. Taylor's corner ****ed up by distracting him and getting his attention away from Steele when he was wobbily. The Fred Flinstone looking MF'er, Duva is to blame for not being able to keep his fat hole shut. Great fight and it's a shame someone had to lose it.

If you get a chance, I suggest everyone try and get a hold of the early Taylor-McGirt fight. That shows how truly talented Taylor was. McGirt was a damn good fighter who was owned by Taylor.

Seen the fight a million times.

The one thing that people seem to forget is that Richard Steele counted up to five when Taylor was up. He GAVE Talyor a chance to recover and a chance to continue in the fight by counting to 9 (I believe) BUT Taylor didnt respond to Steele. So for those people complaining about the stoppage should know Taylor had a few more seconds to recover. Steele couldve wipe Taylors gloves and let him continue with about 6 seconds left and prolly get killed.

I think people should look at the fight for what it was... a GREAT FIGHT!!! Both guys put on a great show, as a fan there were no losers.

Seen the fight a million times.

The one thing that people seem to forget is that Richard Steele counted up to five when Taylor was up. He GAVE Talyor a chance to recover and a chance to continue in the fight by counting to 9 (I believe) BUT Taylor didnt respond to Steele. So for those people complaining about the stoppage should know Taylor had a few more seconds to recover. Steele couldve wipe Taylors gloves and let him continue with about 6 seconds left and prolly get killed.

I think people should look at the fight for what it was... a GREAT FIGHT!!! Both guys put on a great show, as a fan there were no losers.

I don't remember how many seconds steele counted, I just don't see how people disagree with the stoppage.

if steel would have let that fight go on i think chavez would have possibly killed him.seconds in boxing could ruin a life.

if steel would have let that fight go on i think chavez would have possibly killed him.seconds in boxing could ruin a life.

I dont remember how many seconds were left.

I dont remember how many seconds were left.

2 seconds, not even enough time for Chavez to walk to the middle of the ring, let alone make it to Taylor's corner, let alone hit him again.

And Taylor was ****ing Chavez up for 35 minutes and 58 seconds of that fight. Anybody who gave Chavez a single round in that fight was biased. Taylor's flurries were fast, effective, and powerful, as well as eye catching. Chavez landed some brutal shots as well but 1 or 2 big punches per round is not enough to win any of the rounds, especially when you're getting pounded by flurries every single round.

I would have just been happy if Meldrick had gotten the victory for all of that work he put in, it would have at least been something he could of gotten even thhrough all the damage he suffered in the aftermath.

steele wasnt biased either way, he was doing his job, taylor clearly would not look at him or acknowledge him when steele repeatedly asked him if he was ok, he had no choice but to stop the fight

Really? Is that why Meldrick nodded his head to Steele when Steele asked him if he was ok? Is that why Taylor was up on the count of 8?

As for Medlrick looking away for a moment, that was dumbass Lou Duva's fault. He jumped up on the ring apron and starting acting like some kind of spastic monkey. Medlrick looked his way to see what was going on.

Of course that was after Richard Steele got 2 head nods from Meldrick signaling he was ok and wanted to continue.

Worst officiating job I've ever seen, and that's saying a lot. Chavez got owned by Taylor for almost 36 minutes straight. That said Chavez does punch like a mule and that's the reason Medlrick is not the same today, I won't argue that one bit.

But anybody who agreed with that stoppage, or that Chavez actually "won" the fight is just lying to themselves....and they're probably Mexican.

Really? Is that why Meldrick nodded his head to Steele when Steele asked him if he was ok? Is that why Taylor was up on the count of 8?

As for Medlrick looking away for a moment, that was dumbass Lou Duva's fault. He jumped up on the ring apron and starting acting like some kind of spastic monkey. Medlrick looked his way to see what was going on.

Of course that was after Richard Steele got 2 head nods from Meldrick signaling he was ok and wanted to continue.

Worst officiating job I've ever seen, and that's saying a lot. Chavez got owned by Taylor for almost 36 minutes straight. That said Chavez does punch like a mule and that's the reason Medlrick is not the same today, I won't argue that one bit.

But anybody who agreed with that stoppage, or that Chavez actually "won" the fight is just lying to themselves....and they're probably Mexican.


Probably both. Did you see the post by Ultimate? If I hadn't seen the fight I would have thought that Chavez was actually winning. This is the mexican way of thinking. We cause more damage we win the fight. The problem with that way of thinking is winning ROUNDS in boxing is what decides the winner of a fight.

Probably both. Did you see the post by Ultimate? If I hadn't seen the fight I would have thought that Chavez was actually winning. This is the mexican way of thinking. We cause more damage we win the fight. The problem with that way of thinking is winning ROUNDS in boxing is what decides the winner of a fight.

Yeah, I saw that and it pisses me off. Taylor was a hell of a fighter, and one of my heros growing up. I don't hold any ill will toward Chavez for beating him up physically, it was a fight and he did what he had to do. I do hold ill will towards people who think Chavez was winning though, it's a boxing match, not a "Rocky" movie. Just because you're hitting harder doesn't mean you're winning, especially when your opponet is hitting you with 7 or 8 unanswered punch combos at a time.

They're all Mexican, the people who think Chavez won or was winning are I mean. You have to be, only blind Nationalistic views could make you think otherwise, especially if you actually watched the fight. ;)

Yeah, I saw that and it pisses me off. Taylor was a hell of a fighter, and one of my heros growing up. I don't hold any ill will toward Chavez for beating him up physically, it was a fight and he did what he had to do. I do hold ill will towards people who think Chavez was winning though, it's a boxing match, not a "Rocky" movie. Just because you're hitting harder doesn't mean you're winning, especially when your opponet is hitting you with 7 or 8 unanswered punch combos at a time.

They're all Mexican, the people who think Chavez won or was winning are I mean. You have to be, only blind Nationalistic views could make you think otherwise, especially if you actually watched the fight. ;)

Whats up with all this racist talk.

Just because one favors his fighter all of a sudden he's Mexican. How stupid and childish can you be. Theres actually people out there that are white or black or chinesse or filipinio that are fans of Chavez. So stop the stupidity, "if you have Chavez winning then you must be Mexican," ok, Hitler we must all see the world through your eyes.

Whats up with all this racist talk.

Just because one favors his fighter all of a sudden he's Mexican. How stupid and childish can you be. Theres actually people out there that are white or black or chinesse or filipinio that are fans of Chavez. So stop the stupidity, "if you have Chavez winning then you must be Mexican," ok, Hitler we must all see the world through your eyes.

Pay attention, holmes.

A.) I fully realize that there are many non hispanics who were fans of Chavez and the way he fought. I never said that, find me where I did and you get all my points.

B.) What I said was "anyone who watched the fight who thought Chavez was winning had to be Mexican". Meaning they were viewing the fight with National pride on the line, and th ehonor of Mexico. Any human being with 2 eyes could see that Taylor was teeing off on Chavez like Tiger Woods.

C.) Give me a round in which you gave to Chavez, just one. I dare you to find one that you could even make an argument that Chavez won it. Don't worry, I'll wait a while. ;)

Pay attention, holmes.

A.) I fully realize that there are many non hispanics who were fans of Chavez and the way he fought. I never said that, find me where I did and you get all my points.

B.) What I said was "anyone who watched the fight who thought Chavez was winning had to be Mexican". Meaning they were viewing the fight with National pride on the line, and th ehonor of Mexico. Any human being with 2 eyes could see that Taylor was teeing off on Chavez like Tiger Woods.

C.) Give me a round in which you gave to Chavez, just one. I dare you to find one that you could even make an argument that Chavez won it. Don't worry, I'll wait a while. ;)


Listen ******!

If you can't even give Chavez one round in 12 rounds then you are by far the biggest nutthugger on this site.

2 seconds, not even enough time for Chavez to walk to the middle of the ring, let alone make it to Taylor's corner, let alone hit him again.

And Taylor was ****ing Chavez up for 35 minutes and 58 seconds of that fight. Anybody who gave Chavez a single round in that fight was biased. Taylor's flurries were fast, effective, and powerful, as well as eye catching. Chavez landed some brutal shots as well but 1 or 2 big punches per round is not enough to win any of the rounds, especially when you're getting pounded by flurries every single round.

There's no way that Taylor was shutting out Chavez in that fight. Winning at the time of the stoppage? Of course. Chavez was landing brutal shots the entire fight, although he was being outworked, Chavez wasnt getting shut out, but I think that Taylor was surely on his way to a decision, but he needed to answer the ref, and he didnt do that.

Listen ******!

If you can't even give Chavez one round in 12 rounds then you are by far the biggest nutthugger on this site.

Oh now I'm a ****** because I'm a white guy who had a black guy up on points by a large lead against a Mexican? :lol1:

There's no way that Taylor was shutting out Chavez in that fight. Winning at the time of the stoppage? Of course. Chavez was landing brutal shots the entire fight, although he was being outworked, Chavez wasnt getting shut out, but I think that Taylor was surely on his way to a decision, but he needed to answer the ref, and he didnt do that.

I'm not one to argue matters of opinion, so let's stick with the facts. Fact: Meldrick Taylor was up on the count of 8 and nodded to Richard Steele twice before Steele stopped the fight.

Chavez was landing nice counters throughout the fight. They were subtle body shots that didn't look like they were affecting Taylor I only gave Chavez 3 rounds up to the stoppage.

I think the biggest thing about this bout was the mental aspect. Taylor worked his ass off...outside, inside - just flat outworked Chavez. And to get a brutal stoppage like that probably burned his desire a little bit.

Fact: Meldrick Taylor was up on the count of 8 and nodded to Richard Steele twice before Steele stopped the fight.

I saw Taylor look at Steele, and maybe he did nod, what happens immediately after that is why I don't think there should be such controversy:

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Steele counts to 8 and looks at Taylor:

Steele:You OK?

Taylor:.....(taylor does not answer, rather he looks at his corner)

Steele: (again asks)You OK?

Taylor:.....STILL NO ANSWER

It doesnt matter that there were only a couple seconds in the fight, Taylor needed to answer the referee, and he didnt do it.

It was a bad stoppage. plain and simple. How many seconds were left? 8 if I remember correctly.

I saw Taylor look at Steele, and maybe he did nod, what happens immediately after that is why I don't think there should be such controversy:

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Steele counts to 8 and looks at Taylor:

Steele:You OK?

Taylor:.....(taylor does not answer, rather he looks at his corner)

Steele: (again asks)You OK?

Taylor:.....STILL NO ANSWER

It doesnt matter that there were only a couple seconds in the fight, Taylor needed to answer the referee, and he didnt do it.

I agree that Taylor gave no verbal indication of his well being, and did glanc eover at his corner. That was because Lou Duva was going nuts on the ring apron. Anyway, I can't watch that video because I've seen it enough and it's painful to watch as a Taylor fan. I loved the dude growing up, but I hold no ill will towards Chavez either. I'm actually a pretty solid Chavez fan as well.

I think they made each other in that fight, unfortunately for Meldrick, it was the last time he'd ever be great.

I agree that Taylor gave no verbal indication of his well being, and did glanc eover at his corner. That was because Lou Duva was going nuts on the ring apron. Anyway, I can't watch that video because I've seen it enough and it's painful to watch as a Taylor fan. I loved the dude growing up, but I hold no ill will towards Chavez either. I'm actually a pretty solid Chavez fan as well.

I think they made each other in that fight, unfortunately for Meldrick, it was the last time he'd ever be great.

I think that no matter which side you're on regarding the controversy, all can agree both these guys showed the hearts of warriors, and it was an excellent fight.

Pay attention, holmes.

A.) I fully realize that there are many non hispanics who were fans of Chavez and the way he fought. I never said that, find me where I did and you get all my points.

B.) What I said was "anyone who watched the fight who thought Chavez was winning had to be Mexican". Meaning they were viewing the fight with National pride on the line, and th ehonor of Mexico. Any human being with 2 eyes could see that Taylor was teeing off on Chavez like Tiger Woods.

C.) Give me a round in which you gave to Chavez, just one. I dare you to find one that you could even make an argument that Chavez won it. Don't worry, I'll wait a while. ;)
Dude, if you didnt give at least a round to Chavez you know nothing about boxing.

there were two seconds left but a fight is 36 minutes long...so...

seriously both guys fought great....i think taylor shouldve answered the ref when he asked him...i think he was seriously considering to quit if there was still a lot of time in the round....it was a bad stoppage but it is somewhat fundamneted because of taylor's failure to answer to the ref...

Dude, if you didnt give at least a round to Chavez you know nothing about boxing.

That was just trying to get on his nerves a bit. He and I disagree all the time and I like to poke fun. In all seriousness I gave Chavez 2 rounds, but I could see him getting 3. It's been a while since I watched the fight and I have no intentions of watching it anymore. Not because of my respect for Taylor, or because I don't like Chavez. But because it's kind of a black eye on the sport as far as in-ring brutality goes.

damn, i just realized how old this thread is, ****.

That was just trying to get on his nerves a bit. He and I disagree all the time and I like to poke fun. In all seriousness I gave Chavez 2 rounds, but I could see him getting 3. It's been a while since I watched the fight and I have no intentions of watching it anymore. Not because of my respect for Taylor, or because I don't like Chavez. But because it's kind of a black eye on the sport as far as in-ring brutality goes.

they should replay the fights that they do Legendary Night episodes for.

Taylor did take a bad beating but he did not fall off as many people believe as a result of this fight. Taylor went up to 147 and beat Aaron superman davis who had Ko'd mark breland for a Wba belt. If anything his fights at welterweight probably contributed more to his downfall than Chavez because he was facing harder hitters and also his pride would not allow him to not exchange punches. He would eventually take a beating from Crisanto Espana and lose his belt and then he went up and got a mugging thanks to Terry Norris.

Taylor did take a bad beating but he did not fall off as many people believe as a result of this fight. Taylor went up to 147 and beat Aaron superman davis who had Ko'd mark breland for a Wba belt. If anything his fights at welterweight probably contributed more to his downfall than Chavez because he was facing harder hitters and also his pride would not allow him to not exchange punches. He would eventually take a beating from Crisanto Espana and lose his belt and then he went up and got a mugging thanks to Terry Norris.

Exactly.

it wasn't just this fight that made taylor a shot fighter and brain-damaged.

it was repeated punishment over a series of fights, both in prize fights and probably in sparring (does anyone picture taylor not being involved in those famous philly gym wars?)