View Full Version : Did Liston Cheat During Bout With AliÉ


gogan
12-14-2004, 10:51 AM
we all have heard that ali had some bit of trouble fighting sonny liston for the first time. during a middle round ali suddenly went blind, why is this. did liston cheat by putting something on his gloves that would come in contact with ali`s eyes. if anyone knows any of the real details please inform me.

The Italian Stallion
12-16-2004, 07:40 PM
He did get pretty desparate because Sonny was getting killed. He put the stuff you use to seal up cuts on his right glove. He was blind for two rounds i think

dempseyfire
12-16-2004, 10:30 PM
There is no proof of any foul play, and as most observers had the fight even at that point (rds 2 and 4 to Liston, 1 and 3 to Clay) I see no reason Liston would've cheated. Angelo Dundee believes it was just some of the ointment they were using for Liston's cut that rubbed off in a clinch . . .

gogan
12-19-2004, 12:29 PM
yes but the same incident happened as well 2 other times during this era. the exact same thing and guess who was fighting in all 3 fights. sonny bad boy liston

Atwa_66
12-21-2004, 07:01 PM
yes but the same incident happened as well 2 other times during this era. the exact same thing and guess who was fighting in all 3 fights. sonny bad boy liston
Wow, that's pretty weird. I heard of it, but I don't know any facts behind the story

trephination
12-25-2004, 09:48 PM
I think liston was willing to do whatever it took to win that fight fair or not

MGG
12-26-2004, 04:28 PM
Not sure what the truth is but it seems the mob won that fight.

jayrichardse
01-31-2005, 12:09 AM
hell yea he cheated

ghostdancer
02-03-2005, 02:04 PM
liston deserves more respect than he ever got it can't have been easy being controled by the scurge of boxing that is the mafia as far as the glove thing with ali is concerned we will never know besides ali's corner were not that inocent didn't they cut a slit in his glove whe henry cooper knocked him down to allow him more time to recover

The1God
02-03-2005, 02:29 PM
Bobby Chez Accused Evander holyfield of doing the same thing in their fight. Bobby's face was very red and he complained that his eyes were burning.

MGG
02-05-2005, 07:46 PM
Can't understand what Bobby Czyz was complainig about, Holyfield would have taken his head off in a few more rounds.

Imira
02-14-2005, 06:09 PM
There's speculation that Liston told his corner to "burn his gloves", but it hasn't been proven. Even though Liston is my favorite boxer, I think he cheated.

Dempsey 1919
11-01-2005, 04:19 PM
at least listons handlers cheated, but i don't know about liston himself. the fifth round when clay was blind was the only rould liston won and he was lucky he got that one. cassius still beat him, and he became liston's daddy.

"I wan't ya'll to know that Sonny Liston was not even a match. In the fourth round he had some liniment in his hands or liniment in his gloves.....my whole face was burning. His trainers are dirty."

Skydog
11-01-2005, 08:35 PM
liston deserves more respect than he ever got it can't have been easy being controled by the scurge of boxing that is the mafia as far as the glove thing with ali is concerned we will never know besides ali's corner were not that inocent didn't they cut a slit in his glove whe henry cooper knocked him down to allow him more time to recover

Yea,I believe Dundee did that to save Ali from a KO. He said that the glove just split unintentionally, but I think he split ot give Ali more time to recover from Cooper's left hook.

JMCbulls
11-01-2005, 10:27 PM
in the book a book i read, it was said that a substance called dynomite was put over ali's eyes, by his trainers, to seal cuts(ppl now know that if it gets into eyes it will mess u up for a while)as far as i no, liston had nothing to do with this

Dempsey 1919
11-08-2005, 03:14 PM
in the book a book i read, it was said that a substance called dynomite was put over ali's eyes, by his trainers, to seal cuts(ppl now know that if it gets into eyes it will mess u up for a while)as far as i no, liston had nothing to do with this
i didn't know that that's what it was called.

Dempsey 1919
11-08-2005, 04:58 PM
also, i don't know why the guy who made up this thread does not know how to spell ali. aliÉ LOL!

ricecrispi
11-08-2005, 07:22 PM
It burns the surface of the cut to seal it up and help stop some of the bleeding.

Similiar to Hydroperoxide or alcohol. If that stuff burns an open wound imagine a little bit in the eyes.

The cut in the glove for the cooper fight is BS. Stories made by sore loser UK fans to explain why their man didn't win. Footage already proved this rumor to be false.

Dempsey 1919
11-08-2005, 09:56 PM
The cut in the glove for the cooper fight is BS. Stories made by sore loser UK fans to explain why their man didn't win. Footage already proved this rumor to be false.

actually it isn't false. it is just blown out of proportion.