This isn't meant as a rhetorical question! Im boxing fan, but in Britain we don't seem to get to see as many fights as you guys in the US.


one fighter in particular who i hear a lot about is Gatti,and although ive seen all the other top 140lb guys, i haven't seen one fight of his. so i was wondering, just how good is he? is he in the Tszyu league? what type of fighter stle -wise is he?

thanks for any replies

This isn't meant as a rhetorical question! Im boxing fan, but in Britain we don't seem to get to see as many fights as you guys in the US.


one fighter in particular who i hear a lot about is Gatti,and although ive seen all the other top 140lb guys, i haven't seen one fight of his. so i was wondering, just how good is he? is he in the Tszyu league? what type of fighter stle -wise is he?

thanks for any replies


Gatti's pinkie isnt even in the same league as Tszyu, Gatti is a brawler and likes to bang, but when facing a top notch boxer he usually ends up short although if he can get a fighter to brawl with him then that is vintage Gatti, He is popular for his wars and can bring them out in fighters but when he gets boxed he is usually in trouble....

Gatti is a B level fighter in my book and im sure you will get a lot of threads stating he is one of the best blah blah blah....

Take it as you will, Id recommend seeing some of his fights isntead....Im not a fan of his.

This isn't meant as a rhetorical question! Im boxing fan, but in Britain we don't seem to get to see as many fights as you guys in the US.


one fighter in particular who i hear a lot about is Gatti,and although ive seen all the other top 140lb guys, i haven't seen one fight of his. so i was wondering, just how good is he? is he in the Tszyu league? what type of fighter stle -wise is he?

thanks for any replies

He isn't top 3 or 4 at the weight I'd have him 6 or 7. He certainley isn't in Zoo's league. Gatti is a legend in the sport really but not for his ability more for his heart, his wars with Ward are the stuff of legends but he has lost some soft fights along the way, it appears that when he is asked to step up to the very highest level he falls short.

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1. Tyzsu
2. Mayweather
3. Hatton
4. Cotto
5. Harris
6. Gatti
7. Mitchell

thanks, i've heard a lot of hype surrounding him, and his 'classic' fights but i certainly need to see him for myself.

are any of his fights in the download section (when i get enough posts to get access to them)?

Gatti is good, not great. He looks fantastic when the person he is fighting is a poor defender. That is why his opponents have been picked. Dorin could have been a big fight if not for the body shot.

Someone like Floyd will make him look horrible in a UD12 and people will call for his retirement, but against someone like Tszyu, they will both hit eachother hard, but it will be clear that Tszyu is the better fighter.

Gatti should be fighting undercards, but his great fights against poor defenders has propelled him into the high money fights in Atlantic City, and to tell you the truth, I would rather watch Gatti than Floyd mayweather.

He has been in some all-time classic fights and not alot of the A level fighters can even say that.
Trilogy with Micky ward check that out.
He has alot of fans because he may not be the best but he certainly gives his best.
Im a fan but that wouldnt cloud my judgment Zoo would beat him.

He has been in some all-time classic fights and not alot of the A level fighters can even say that.
Trilogy with Micky ward check that out.
He has alot of fans because he may not be the best but he certainly gives his best.
Im a fan but that wouldnt cloud my judgment Zoo would beat him.

He's had all time classic fights against other B level fighters. Everybody else pretty much hit the nail on the head. He's good but nothing special unless you want to count his ability to take punishment.

A fighter's worth is not always measured by his skill. I would rather watch Arturo Gatti fight than watch any of the current heavyweight champions lurch, hug, slap and whine their way to a unification. For every Freitas who quits, or Gainer that punks out, or Ruiz who molests, or Williams/Johnson who are so pathetically weak mentally that they cannot lay off the doughnuts, there is Arturo Gatti. He doesn't quit, he doesn't bore you absolutely to death like Cory Spinks with skills, he freaking fights. He fights like all hell when he's been busted seven ways to Sunday. He goes through pain, exhaustion, and finds a way to reach deep and, more often than not, percivere.

Is the best "skilled" fighter? Absolutely not.

Would Floyd Mayweather kick his rear? Probably.

Would Spinks "outbox" him? More than likely.

Would Floyd Mayweather or Kostya or Cory Spinks fight in an absolutely completely empty arena if Gatti is fighting some bum across the street?Every single time. That's measurable worth as well.

A crowd loves Gatti. I do too. I look for more than Spinks/Wright/Byrd/Jones skill in a fighter. When I watch a fight, I want to see a fight. I get really tired of hearing its exicting to see "the display of skill." I want to see two guys try to kick each other's ass with as much skill possible; skill alone doesn't do it.

That's why I respectfully disagree with your comment. I just look at it a different way I guess.

Regards,

Duncan

Mayweather was once asked why he put on such a "dull" performance and he said this is boxing not brawling. I agree with him. I enjoy watching Gatti fight but the question was how good is Gatti. He is not that good in my opinion. There are skilled fighters who have just as much heart as Gatti but it's thier skill that keeps them out of the situations Gatti puts himself in. Gatti is all heart which is good but even heart alone doesn't win fights.

Brawling can only get you so far in a career.
As far as Gatti goes...he lost to Angel Manfredy, what more can I say..

He can box beautifully (offensively speaking) with good power, but he loves to bang and throw the defense outside the windox ;)

Gatti is better than you guys give him credit for, who cares how skilled he is, he is a REAL fighter, unlike that *** mayweather, boxing only exists because of the entertainment value, with no demand there is no boxing, the demand for boxing is there because of guys like gatti, without guys like him the sport would die, and guys like mayweather would just be sitting in a jail cell where they belong

Brawling can only get you so far in a career.
As far as Gatti goes...he lost to Angel Manfredy, what more can I say..



Jack....you are always bringing up the fact the Gatti lost to Manfredy......like it's a shameful thing. Manfredy was a word class fighter for a long time.....the fact that he isn't much now doesn't take away from that.

A fighter's worth is not always measured by his skill. I would rather watch Arturo Gatti fight than watch any of the current heavyweight champions lurch, hug, slap and whine their way to a unification. For every Freitas who quits, or Gainer that punks out, or Ruiz who molests, or Williams/Johnson who are so pathetically weak mentally that they cannot lay off the doughnuts, there is Arturo Gatti. He doesn't quit, he doesn't bore you absolutely to death like Cory Spinks with skills, he freaking fights. He fights like all hell when he's been busted seven ways to Sunday. He goes through pain, exhaustion, and finds a way to reach deep and, more often than not, percivere.

Is the best "skilled" fighter? Absolutely not.

Would Floyd Mayweather kick his rear? Probably.

Would Spinks "outbox" him? More than likely.

Would Floyd Mayweather or Kostya or Cory Spinks fight in an absolutely completely empty arena if Gatti is fighting some bum across the street?Every single time. That's measurable worth as well.

A crowd loves Gatti. I do too. I look for more than Spinks/Wright/Byrd/Jones skill in a fighter. When I watch a fight, I want to see a fight. I get really tired of hearing its exicting to see "the display of skill." I want to see two guys try to kick each other's ass with as much skill possible; skill alone doesn't do it.

That's why I respectfully disagree with your comment. I just look at it a different way I guess.

Regards,

Duncan

Great post...and I couldnt agree more! Love him or hate him he is damn exciting to watch and that's the whole idea ;)

Gatti surely isn't the most skilled guy in the world, but he's been around the block so long he must be respected as a top contender in the jr. welterweight division. Sure guys like Mayweather and Cotto are miles more talented than he is, but when forced into a nasty knockout dragout on any given night Gatti would have an chance against them. Mayweather lost as many rounds as he won to the slugging Jose Luis Castillo and Cotto was tested by the hard nosed Lovemore N'dou. So who knows exactly what would happen if Gatti were to get in the ring against one of those top guys, sure he would be a huge underdog but from Gatti you have to understand by now never to count him out of a fight.

gatt is good for boxing..he's exciting and has great fights and is a big reason (ward trilogy) boxing got some attention again...hes gotta a lot of heart which is more then i can say for a lot of other boxers..so what if he's not the best or even great..he will be remembered and goes oput there everytime and give it is all..and if he loses he goes down fighting

Gatti is great for boxing but the question was is Gatti good not is Gatti good for boxing. Everybody knows Gatti is a great attraction in the sport but being a great attraction doesn't mean he is a great fighter.

physically not great but he has the heart and determination to do anything he wants and with buddy mcgirt i can only name a couple people who could sneak by him

Gatti is better than you guys give him credit for, who cares how skilled he is, he is a REAL fighter, unlike that *** mayweather, boxing only exists because of the entertainment value, with no demand there is no boxing, the demand for boxing is there because of guys like gatti, without guys like him the sport would die, and guys like mayweather would just be sitting in a jail cell where they belong
Floyd has brawled his last 2 fights and I think he will stick with that style and be a more offensive fighter so he can get the big bucks. You can brawl and still have good D at the same time

i agree with the posts re:entertainment value. I think only the hardcore fan is overtly interested in the skill level in a fight.
sounds like gatti is a real crowd pleaser. if so, he sounds like my kinda fighter.

Brawling can only get you so far in a career.
As far as Gatti goes...he lost to Angel Manfredy, what more can I say..




So true, Gatti packs hardly any boxing skill and when he tried to boxes he comes up short.....Look at the Branco fight...Branco almost stole it had he not given Gatti so much respect I think he would have decisioned him......

Any top 5 fighter at 140 beats Gatti EASILY!....

Mayweather vs Gatti would be one of the most boring fights to the casual boxing fans....Floyd would box circles around the confused Gatti....Gatti wants nothing of Mayweather, he couldnt catch him.

So true, Gatti packs hardly any boxing skill and when he tried to boxes he comes up short.....Look at the Branco fight...Branco almost stole it had he not given Gatti so much respect I think he would have decisioned him......

Any top 5 fighter at 140 beats Gatti EASILY!....

Mayweather vs Gatti would be one of the most boring fights to the casual boxing fans....Floyd would box circles around the confused Gatti....Gatti wants nothing of Mayweather, he couldnt catch him.

You've posted before that you hated Gatti, and thats cool...ya know, to each his own (and I tried to give ya karma anyway but have maxed out :( ) but I'm curious as to why? If you dont mind sharing, that is. Did he say something in an interview that didnt sit well with you? Has he avioded someone and you lost respect or something? I'm just curious cause the few fighters that I despise like that it's always cause of their conceit and arrogance. Thats my pet-peeve...but Gatti has never come across that way to me. So, whats yours..just curious? ;)

You've posted before that you hated Gatti, and thats cool...ya know, to each his own (and I tried to give ya karma anyway but have maxed out :( ) but I'm curious as to why? If you dont mind sharing, that is. Did he say something in an interview that didnt sit well with you? Has he avioded someone and you lost respect or something? I'm just curious cause the few fighters that I despise like that it's always cause of their conceit and arrogance. Thats my pet-peeve...but Gatti has never come across that way to me. So, whats yours..just curious? ;)



No not at all, Gatti gets is grade A when it comes to being a class act, I dont like Gatti's style, a brawl is good to see but I love the technique of boxing and everytime Gatti has faced a guy who actually boxed with him he had lost, Gatti is a true warrior in the ring and a complete gentleman out but he doesnt possess much boxing ability in the deep division he is in.

I dont like his style and any true boxer who boxes him defeats him.

No not at all, Gatti gets is grade A when it comes to being a class act, I dont like Gatti's style, a brawl is good to see but I love the technique of boxing and everytime Gatti has faced a guy who actually boxed with him he had lost, Gatti is a true warrior in the ring and a complete gentleman out but he doesnt possess much boxing ability in the deep division he is in.

I dont like his style and any true boxer who boxes him defeats him.

Oh, okay, I could have sworn it was you that posted that long ago. :o My bad, but I sent karma anyway (which you might wanna bank..theives are amok ;) )

Oh, okay, I could have sworn it was you that posted that long ago. :o My bad, but I sent karma anyway (which you might wanna bank..theives are amok ;) )


Thanks for the heads up, I need to spread around some before you can get some......

mcgirt has improved him a lot. im impressed with him a lot more tthan i used to be. before he was just a brawler, now he can mix it up. he uses the jab a lot more. his savaging of dorin was an impressive display.

mcgirt has improved him a lot. im impressed with him a lot more tthan i used to be. before he was just a brawler, now he can mix it up. he uses the jab a lot more. his savaging of dorin was an impressive display.


His shot against Dorin was probably if not one of the best body shots of all time that my eyes have witnessed, but I wouldn say that shot was because of boxing ability a shot like that could have landed in a brawl.

gotti isnt that good...his fights are just exciting..put him in with a guy like cotto or tszyu..and youll see how he folds

gotti isnt that good...his fights are just exciting..put him in with a guy like cotto or tszyu..and youll see how he folds


Arum wants Cotto in with Gatti sooooooooooo bad, that would be a complete destruction of the "phenom" of Gatti and a new star would be born and Arum knows that. Cotto's style is exciting and appealing to the public...If that fight would come off we would have a new goldenboy.

Gatti isn't going to have much of a chance against folks like Mayweather, Tsyzu or, were he to move up again, against Spinks. Especially Floyd Jr. and Cory would really out box him. KT would be fun to watch, although I am undecided if he would be stopped by cuts or one of KT's on target power shots.

If you've seen Matthew Saad Muhammad, you've seen Arturo Gatti.

Gatti isn't going to have much of a chance against folks like Mayweather, Tsyzu or, were he to move up again, against Spinks. Especially Floyd Jr. and Cory would really out box him. KT would be fun to watch, although I am undecided if he would be stopped by cuts or one of KT's on target power shots.



I imagine gatti vs tszyu would be like the 2nd sharmba fight or the de la hoya vs gatti fight.

gotti isnt that good...his fights are just exciting..put him in with a guy like cotto or tszyu..and youll see how he folds
I agree. He's exciting to watch, but won't be able to beat Tzsyu, Cotto or PBF.

gatti is just that
Good
he can take a lot
and dish it out
but skills wise, hes nothin miraculous
hes justa good solid fighter
a solider fighter with one punch power
which makes him a lil more of a threat
but not becuz hes some superb boxer

I think Gatti cheats himself allot of the time. I remember him boxing excellent against Tracy harris patterson some years back and he nearly shut out Micky Ward in their second encounter. Thing is Gatti loves to brawl rather than box and this has cost him over the years. I think if Gatti Boxed in fights, notably against Robinson, Manfredy and the first ward fight, he might have avoided defeat because these guys aren`t really great boxers. Not to say Gatti is but he can box well when he chooses to!

i totally agree and brawling will only get you so far......and that is why to date gatti has not beaten any big name (except for small dorin)......so when he steps up and fights the big names, he will be put back in his place.........

oh,I know......................

i totally agree and brawling will only get you so far......and that is why to date gatti has not beaten any big name (except for small dorin)......so when he steps up and fights the big names, he will be put back in his place.........

What's so ironic about this is before Gatti fought that "small" Dorin, according to the polls and opinions of the majority of the posters here, Gatti was gonna get his ass handed to him by Dorin. Now that he's beat him, and in good fashion, Dorin was "small", etc....The guy just cant win with some people apparently :rolleyes: As for the comment "put back in his place"...exactly where is that , according to you ?

Gatti vs Leija
80-90% of the people will say Gatti

Now ask that same 80-90% who would win
Gatti vs Kostya
about 80-90% of them will say Kostya

what I am saying is that Gatti is good enough for the Wards,Dorins,Camache etc... but when he is in there with the Manfrey,bronco etc... he lacks something

What's so ironic about this is before Gatti fought that "small" Dorin, according to the polls and opinions of the majority of the posters here, Gatti was gonna get his ass handed to him by Dorin. Now that he's beat him, and in good fashion, Dorin was "small", etc....The guy just cant win with some people apparently :rolleyes:

Sooo true.

gatti = bum

Brawling can only get you so far in a career.
As far as Gatti goes...he lost to Angel Manfredy, what more can I say..

He lost to Manfredy because of a CUT! The fight was about even when it was stopped. You could have said THAT :D

gatti = bum

What makes you say that Gar?? :confused: I mean with Gatti atleast you know what youre gonna get...a great fight! with some of your fav's (DLH and Jones) lately all we've gotten with them are shocks! I mean both of them are great fighters and technicians of the sport, but paying ppv to see either of them is less appealing to me than watchng Gatti for free; and 9 times out of 10 he's the one that would make that $50 price tag tolerable and most likely worth paying.