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Skydog
08-23-2005, 10:31 PM
# 4: Mike Tyson vs Rocky Marciano


Rocky was only 184 ½ Lbs with a record of 42-0 (37) going into his title winning effort against “Jersey” Joe Walcott in 1952. So, it’s not surprising that many would say this bout would be a statistical mismatch given “The Rock’s” size and lack of speed and presumed defensive inadequacies. What most fail to understand is the toughness and determination that was packed into that 5’ 10” frame. Walcott floored Marciano for the first time in his career in the first round of their match and beat him unmercifully for the bulk of the next 11 rounds; but “The Rock” kept coming. Marciano’s ability to take a punch was unfathomable and he blocked more than one would think.

Part of the reason he was able to sustain amidst heavy incoming was he exquisite physical conditioning; only Evander Holyfield could challenge Rocky’s superiority in this field. He was always in the best shape possible. Add to his conditioning and his toughness the fact that he was an extraordinarily powerful puncher for his size and he would hit you anywhere. If you covered up your head, he’d go to the body. Protect the body and he’d go to your head. Protect both, he’d pound on your arms and shoulders until your limbs were so battered your guard would come down and then he’d take your head off.

Seeing a smaller opponent in front of him, Mike would be frothing at the mouth for a “wam-bam, thank you, sir” kind of knock-out. Once the leather started flying, however, Mike would realize most of his hooks were sailing over the Rock’s head. At 5’ 11”, Mike has very rarely faced an opponent that was shorter than himself, so this situation would require some adjustments. Given Rocky’s willingness to trade, it wouldn’t be long before Mike would be throwing that right to the body, right uppercut to the head combination, sending a spray of sweat from Rocky’s black locks as the on-looking crowd Oooos and Owwws with every bone-jarring shot.

Tough as Rocky is, there is no way he could take this kind of brutal assault for fifteen rounds. Somewhere around the third or fourth, Mike would put together a four-punch combo and drop the Rock with a left hook that would send him sprawling backwards three or four feet. Surprisingly, the Italian would get up, cover himself a little better and survive the remainder of the round as most of Mike’s finishers catch arms and air. Not used to having an opponent come to him, Mike finds his punches being smothered pretty regularly by the crouching in-fighting Marciano, who is constantly pounding Mike’s ribcage and forearms, while most of Mike’s return volley ricochet off the Rock’s shoulders.

Occasionally, Mike will catch Rocky with a good one and the crowd responds, holding their breath for the inevitable; but it doesn’t come. As the fight rages on, Mike’s staccato bursts are fewer and fewer in number as he settles for throwing one or two punches at a time while Marciano labors on in a blue collar-style, catching Mike on the chin more and more as the head-movement becomes all but absent. Finally, somewhere around the 13th, Marciano catches Mike in the ribs with a brutal left hook, sending the bigger man to one knee. Rising at the count of eight, Mike is gasping for air like a fish on a sandbar. Smelling blood, Rocky wades in amidst desperation shots and drops Mike again with a volley of body blows, uppercuts, and overhand rights. Knowing he’s done, the referee rescues Mike from further punishment with thirty seconds to go in the round.


# 3: Mike Tyson vs Larry Holmes

Many will say this is a moot bout, seeing as how Tyson easily did away with Holmes back in 1988; but remember, “The Easton Assassin” was 38 years old by the time “Iron Mike” dispatched him in four rounds. How would Mike have done against the Larry Holmes that stopped Gerry Cooney six years prior? Granted, in June of ‘82, Holmes was already 33 years old; but this fight was his defining moment, so it’s only fair to use this version of Larry. Going into the Cooney fight, Holmes had established himself as a consummate and crafty professional with one of the most devastating jabs the division has ever seen. At the time, he had a record of 39-0 (29) and was in exquisite condition at 212 ½ lbs.

Mike would come out storming and Larry would dance off to his left, away from Mike’s left hook, peppering Tyson with stinging jabs all the while. Occasionally, Larry would stop and try to catch Mike coming in with a solid one-two; but early in the fight he would catch air with the right and be countered well to the body and occasionally with a hook to the head. Suddenly, in the fifth, thunder lands as Larry brings the jab back a little too slow and Mike lands a solid right over the top: “Down goes Holmes, Down Goes Holmes, Down Goes Holmes!” Larry rises on wobbly legs at the count of six and immediately gets on his bicycle.

The crowd is in an uproar as Mike furiously pursues the fleeing Holmes, who occasionally gets cornered and grabs on for dear life. After what seems like an eternity, the bell sounds, giving Larry sixty seconds to clear his head. The sixth round consists of Larry cautiously boxing from a distance as a winded Tyson half-heartedly pursues. Through the remainder of the mid-rounds, the pattern has been established; Larry jabbing and circling to his left and occasionally stopping to catch Mike with the straight right or uppercut, while Tyson attempts to get on the inside, sometimes with success, and pounds on Holmes’ midsection before Larry can tie him up.

By round ten, the tiring Tyson, whose eyes are beginning to show swelling from Larry’s jabs, has a slight lead in the scoring; but Holmes has been catching him more and more frequently with the right hand. Then it happens. Midway though the 11th, Mike casually goes in for the clinch and Holmes steps to his right and fires a huge right-hand uppercut. Tyson’s legs betray his exhaustion and Holmes goes in for the kill. While firing off right hand after right hand, Holmes is occasionally caught by a whistling left hook or right hand; but they don’t seem to have as much steam as earlier in the bout. The round ends with Mike in a defensive posture on the ropes and Holmes firing at long range.

At the beginning of the 12th, Holmes is the one who charges across the ring and after meeting Mike just outside of ring center, he catches the shorter man with a vicious one-two that sends Tyson falling backwards into the ropes. Watching “The Easton Assassin” Fire shot after shot from a distance, well out of the way of Tyson’s sporadic counters, the referee jumps in at the one minute mark to save the spent fighter from any further punishment.

tommyhearns804
08-24-2005, 01:12 AM
Tyson had a decent chin.It took Marciano 9 rounds to knock out glass chin Archie Moore.Tysons chin is far better than Moores.Moore also dropped Marciano with one punch.Tyson punches alot harder than Moore and is alot faster.Marciano would never make it out of the first minute with Tyson.
I could see Tyson beating Holmes and Holmes beating Tyson.If Tyson can jump on him early then Holmes gets knocked out.But if Holmes could make it past lets say 5 rounds then i see Holmes stopping Tyson late.

Troy Fine
08-24-2005, 01:16 AM
oh my god you take a famous fight were one of these guys win change the charles with tyson and change the story just a slight bit im not trying to be mean and you might have good arguments but dude you a moron sorry that was uncalled for but you deserve it

M26
08-24-2005, 05:13 AM
Marciano beats Tyson. Granted, he was alot smaller and got knocked down (twice in 49 fights) by lesser fighters then Tyson, but that does not prove a damn thing.

Marciano was obviously surprised by Walcott coming out as fast as he did in their first encounter, and he was hit by a picture-perfect left hook while off balance. This was Walcotts trademark punch and he had used this several times with success - he knocked out Charles cold with the same punch and decked Louis as well. Marciano got up at 4 and was not even remotely stunned. Legendary trainer Angelo Dundee, has been quoted saying that he never will understand how Marciano got up so fast from that punch - he called it "a perfect shot".

Against Moore, Marciano once again got to suck canvas. But not for long. He got right up at 3 and went after Moore. He later said that the punch Moore threw never had him hurt one bit. I think the way Marciano sprung right up again proves this.

So he went down from fighters with moderate punching power. So what? Ali had a great chin and defeated heavy hitters such as Foreman, Frazier, Liston and Shavers. Still he was almost knocked out cold by the 180lbs mediocre Henry Cooper when he was 21 years old. Ok, this was not "a prime" Ali, but still, he was OUT at the time and got saved by the bell as he stumbled back to his corner.

Marciano also got knocked down by relatively small fighters, but he was not "out" at all. He got right back up and kept coming. In fact, the referee said after the Walcott fight that he could tell Marciano was not hurt.

And also, what about all the punches that Marciano took that he did not go down from?! I have seen him taking hard punches flush on the chin and not even blink. Rocky Marciano had an iron chin, that is a goddamn fact of life!

Tyson would hit him with bombs, and I can see Marciano going down early. After all he was a slow starter. But Marciano had HEART. And tons of it. He would never give up and Tyson would have to knock his head clean off to stop him.
Marciano would cover up and fight back, and after 2-3 rounds he would be fighting on level with Tyson. After 5-6 rounds he would start controlling the fight. By this time, the spineless turd that is Mike Tyson would have given up and the rest would be a walk in the park for Marciano. He would hurt Tyson and beat him into submission. The ref (or Ol' Mike himself) would stop it in the later rounds.

Rocky Marciano by late tko.

Oh, I almost forgot.... Holmes would defeat Tyson as well. He was a fine boxer with a great chin.

Larry Holmes by UD (or possibly late tko).

Muchmoore
08-24-2005, 08:48 PM
For Tyson-Marciano, im going to have to go with Tyson in 8 rounds. Marciano, in many of his fights was offbalance, with contributed to his knockdown to Archie Moore. You cant fight Tyson by throwing wild punches, thats just inviting defeat, Tyson in his prime was too quick, and was a great defensive fighter.

Tyson-Holmes-Holmes, for all of his ring smarts and ring generelship, wouldnt be able to dance away from Tyson. Holmes had a tendency of dropping his hands, which is not what you should do against Tyson. I see Tyson stopping him in 9 rounds by a crushing right hand when Holmes drops his hands.

Skydog
08-24-2005, 10:18 PM
OK Marciano got dropped by Moore, but remember Moore had the highest knockout percentage in history. And who has Tyson gotten knocked down by? DOUGLAS. In his prime.

Skydog
08-24-2005, 10:19 PM
BTW Tyson wasn't much of a defensive fighter, all he did was bob his head, and that made him look good against people who were scared ****less of him and didn't even try and fight.

Muchmoore
08-25-2005, 09:20 AM
OK Marciano got dropped by Moore, but remember Moore had the highest knockout percentage in history. And who has Tyson gotten knocked down by? DOUGLAS. In his prime.

Moore was a blown up light heavyweight.

Tyson was NOT in his prime when he fought Douglas, yes, he was 23, but he hardly trained, fired all of his old trainers, and was on antidepressents. Cus D Amato had died, and when Tyson was at his best was when he was with Rooney, and then when he left Tyson lost his hunger to win. In my opinion, Tyson was at his best when he fought Spinks, and once he beat him, he didnt train close as hard and didnt have anything to motivate him. I doubt even you would say that the Tyson that beat Spinks would have even had a close fight with the Douglas that later fought him.

What Tyson did later in his career does nothing to take away from his prime. Tyson in his prime was a magnificent defensive fighter, and you saying he isnt either proves that you have only seen his later fights like Lewis, Holyfield or Williams or that you simply hate Mike for what he has done out of the ring, or a combination of both. He was always moving, blocking, and slipping punches. You said that he only beat fighters who were scared of him. True, Mike beat his fair share of scared fighters, but he fought many more who were not. Razor Ruddock wasnt scared, and Tyson beat him twice. Frank Bruno wasnt too scared either, Tyson destroyed him twice. Holmes wasnt either, and yes, he was 38, but a 42 year old one would later beat Ray Mercer.

tommyhearns804
08-25-2005, 02:01 PM
Tyson was in his physical prime when he fought Douglas Muchmoore.If he trained hard or not isnt a excuse.He still lost.
Bruno was afraid of Tyson.He had Tyson out on his feet with one uppercut in their first fight but didn't jump on Tyson to finish the job.Ruddock was a glas chin bum.Morrison and Lewis beat him with ease.
But that has nothing to do with Marciano beating Tyson.Douglas could and would knock out Maricano as well.Muchmoore you said Tyson would beat Marciano in 8 rounds?Muchmoore if a blown up 45 year old middleweight could knock down Marciano with one punch in the first round of their fight then a prime Tyson would finish him one.
But anyway it is good to see you will still make post on this forum.

tommyhearns804
08-25-2005, 02:05 PM
I still don't see how you have Dempsey a 190 pound fighter who was knocked out in one round by Flynn and never fought any black fighters ahead of Foreman.Or how you have Jack Johnson a 190 pound guy who was knocked out in 3 rounds by a 170 pound man and who fought in a era where he could throw one punch and hold a head of Foreman.Or a guy like Tunney who was a light puncher and also never fought any black fighters ahead of Foreman.And Frazier a man who Foreman beat ahead of Foreman.I don't see how Frazier is better than Foreman when Foreman beat him 2 times.But you also have Tyson above Holyfield when Holyfield beat the crap out Tyson 2 times.

Muchmoore
08-25-2005, 04:05 PM
Tyson was in his physical prime when he fought Douglas Muchmoore.If he trained hard or not isnt a excuse.He still lost.
Bruno was afraid of Tyson.He had Tyson out on his feet with one uppercut in their first fight but didn't jump on Tyson to finish the job.Ruddock was a glas chin bum.Morrison and Lewis beat him with ease.
But that has nothing to do with Marciano beating Tyson.Douglas could and would knock out Maricano as well.Muchmoore you said Tyson would beat Marciano in 8 rounds?Muchmoore if a blown up 45 year old middleweight could knock down Marciano with one punch in the first round of their fight then a prime Tyson would finish him one.
But anyway it is good to see you will still make post on this forum.

Ruddock is a glass chinned bum? Thats one of the worst posts ive seen from you Hearns, and thats saying a lot.

Tyson was not in his physical prime when he fought Douglas. He didnt train hard for the fight, AND was on anti depressents. Im sure you would say the Tyson that fought Spinks would lose to Douglas too.

tommyhearns804
08-25-2005, 05:30 PM
Yeah and Douglas was in his physical prime right?But he was 7 years older than Tyson.And wait i forgot Ruddock was a all time great becaues he fought "******" Mike Tyson right?Ruddock was nothing at all.Only Tyson fans like you will mention him at all.Maybe you should stick to the ******** boxing forum you seem to be as stupid as they are.
Spinks and Douglas are 2 different fighter you jackass.Douglas is a 6'4 230 pound heavyweight and Spink is a 175 pound cruiserweighht.So Tyson beating a light heavyweight means exactly what?You are a complete idiot child i try to help you with your boxing knowledge but evidently it isn't getting through.
If your best win in your career comes against a light heavyweight champion then that says alot about your career.I don't care when Tyson fought Douglas he would always loose if Douglas came to fight.Tyson would always lose to Holyfield and Lewis.Nobody is past their physical prime at 23 your stupid little child.If he didnt train hard who fault is that?He was still in his physical prime.How said he was on anything before the fight?Nobody but people who make excuses for the reason he lost.If Tyson would of knocked Douglas out in one round would you still say he was past his prime?Hell no.If Tyson would of went undefeated his whole career would you of said Tyson was past his prime when he fought Holyfield of Lewis?Hell no you would just be talking about how he never lost.
But since he fought fighters better than him and they made a fool of him and knocked him out then all of the sudden he is past his prime so that is why he was knocked out by Douglas but yet again Foreman could fight better fighters up until he was 48 and never been knock down and out like Tyson was.I guess Tysons prime ended before every other fighter in boxing history right?Tyson is the only boxer who would never lose fight especially if Cus didnt die and Rooney stayed his trainer?
Tyson fought nobody but bums when Cus was alive and after Cus died guess what?Tyson still fought bums for the most part.As i said before no other heavyweight champion in the modern era was knocked out 5 times like Tyson was.Even though most of them fought better guys than Tyson did and fought until they were old just like Tyson did.But wait since you are in love with Mike Tyson you will always have some excuse for this loser huh?Greatest of all time?Hell no.Top 10 of all time?If there were only 10 heavyweight boxers who ever lived he still would not be a top 10.

Skydog
08-25-2005, 09:29 PM
George Foreman was WAAAYYY past his prime when he fought Holyfield. Tyson was about 5 years and he got his ass handed to him. What does that tell you?

Ali was was nearly 10 years out of his prime when he entered the ring in Manilla. What does that tell you?

Hearns is right, you just say Tyson was out of his prime because he lost. Had he not lost to Douglas, you probably would have said he was in his prime then.

Muchmoore
08-25-2005, 10:01 PM
George Foreman was WAAAYYY past his prime when he fought Holyfield. Tyson was about 5 years and he got his ass handed to him. What does that tell you?

Ali was was nearly 10 years out of his prime when he entered the ring in Manilla. What does that tell you?

Hearns is right, you just say Tyson was out of his prime because he lost. Had he not lost to Douglas, you probably would have said he was in his prime then.

I doubt that. Tyson didnt have the eye of the tiger he used to have, he didnt bob and weave like he did before, he didnt throw to the body like he did in his prime, and he didnt throw as many combinations as a prime one did.

oakleyno1
08-26-2005, 08:16 AM
sky dog ur a prick tyson would beat marceano and as for holmes well either way

prtynacan
08-26-2005, 02:06 PM
oh my god you take a famous fight were one of these guys win change the charles with tyson and change the story just a slight bit im not trying to be mean and you might have good arguments but dude you a moron sorry that was uncalled for but you deserve it

This is one of my favorite quotes. I can't understand a word of it, except that I can kind of tell he's accusing someone else of being a moron. Nice.

Cool post, with some good story telling. Whenever I look at a Rocky Marciano post I always think of the barbershop scene from Coming to America - everyone here owes it to themselves to watch that scene.

Anyway - I think it's safe to say that Tyson would probably be able to knock out Marciano. You can't compare the old time fighters with modern ones, when training and nutrition has come such a long way. Had Marciano been around with modern training methods - I'd go with Marciano. Marciano is clearly the greater champion. He never lost, had an incredible knockout percentage, never gave up and simply dominated all other great fighters of his era.

I don't understand all this love people have for Mike Tyson. Sure he was incredible in the late 80's with all of the one round KOs, but the man isn't even the best heavyweight of his generation - that title belongs to Lennox Lewis - who crushed Tyson, and who beat the other 2nd greatest heavyweight of the 90s, Evander Holyfield. Tyson had incredible talent, but didn't have the intangibles to make a great champ. Tyson ducked Lewis and Foreman while he was in his prime, choosing instead to fight safe opponents like Buster Douglas, and getting absolutely crushed. I mean, that fight was not even close - and Douglas was a journeyman at best. He also had tough times with other guys like James Smith - not exactly world beaters. Make all the excuses you want - Tyson was on anti depressants, Tyson didn't train, Tyson was having sex with 9 Japanese women the night before the fight - don't these facts show that he doesn't have the discipline, or mental state to be a great champion? I think these are arguments against Tyson's greatness, not in support of it.

Also - downplaying Archie Moore's talent so much is crazy. The man is a legend. Archie Moore was a blownup light heavyweight? Who cares - Marciano was 185 - it's not like he was a giant himself, who had an incredible size advantage over other people in the division.

My Top Heavies - Ali, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Dempsey, Johnson, Jeffries, Holyfield, Frazier, Foreman, Liston

tommyhearns804
08-26-2005, 05:08 PM
Archie Moore is a legend but he wasn't a blown up light heavyweight he was a blown up middleweight.He started his career as a middleweight 160 pounds or less and stayed at middleweight for 8 years.Archie Moore was knocked out in his prime by middleweights.Moore was knocked down over 30 times in his career.Marciano was a naturally 20 plus pounds bigger than Moore and yet it took him 9 rounds to knock out a fighter who was knocked out by middleweights in one round.So as i said it just shows how overrated everything about Marciano is even for a 180 pound fighter.
If Marciano was alive today he would still be a light heavyweight or a small cruiserweight.The man had a small frame.He has short arms so you can't just say well if he was alive to day he would weigh 230 pounds.You could add pounds to Ali,Norton,Foreman or guys like that.Guys who are around 6'4 with 80 inch reaches.
Marciano never lost and again what is your point?Would any of the little 180 or so pound guys Marciano fought beat Tyson?Hell no.Would Tyson quit against any of those guys?Why would he quit to a guy he would knock out with ease.Marciano has a high knock out percetage.And?Who many of those guys were 200 plus pound skilled heavyweights?0 that is how many.It is like me saying since O'Neil Bell knocked out some cruiserweights it must mean he could knock out guys like Tyson and Foreman and Lewis.
But i do agree with you Prtynacan i dont see why people are still hooked on Tyson when he never proved anything in his career but he could knock out d level fighters.I wouldn't even say the man had much talent.Have you seen Jeremy Williams fight before?He crushes low level fighters just like Tyson does and gets knocked out by better ones.The only difference between them is Tyson came along right after Ali,Foreman,Norton, and Frazier retired.Holmes was boring and nobody cared about him.People were looking for the next big thing.Tyson was brash and bold and for some reason people always like that.Tyson beat up bums and the media built him up.Even fighters who were better than him started to believe the hype around him.That is why so many of the fighters he beat went down.
The Tillis vs Tyson fight was the first fight were Tyson was fighting somebody who fought back and Tillis almost won.If he didnt get knocked down in the first round the fight would of been scored a draw.Tillis came out just like every Tyson opponent up into that point afraid because the media said he was this so called baddest man on the plannet.Tyson hit Tillis with a good punch and Tillis went down.The look on Tillis face was man is that the best he has.And for the rest of the fight Tillis was never really hurt.If Tillis had more power he would of knocked Tyson out.
Tyson failed to knock out anybody who came to fight him and was a world class fighter.So his power is only good enough of the c or d level fighters.Tysons chin wasn't glass but he could never take a beating and come back and win.Once you hit Tyson everything he did stopped.He stopped his head movement,he basically just followed you around looking to be hit.
Great fighters can get up after they have been hurt and win.Ali could.Foreman could,Frazier,Holyfield,Quarry,Lyle ect ect ect could.Tyson could not and that is another reason he isn't great.But Tyson could and would beat any fighter before Liston with out much trouble.No 190 or so pound man could just trade with Tyson.
Tyson still crushes Marciano :)

Gemini531
09-22-2005, 11:28 PM
This is one of my favorite quotes. I can't understand a word of it, except that I can kind of tell he's accusing someone else of being a moron. Nice.

Cool post, with some good story telling. Whenever I look at a Rocky Marciano post I always think of the barbershop scene from Coming to America - everyone here owes it to themselves to watch that scene.

Anyway - I think it's safe to say that Tyson would probably be able to knock out Marciano. You can't compare the old time fighters with modern ones, when training and nutrition has come such a long way. Had Marciano been around with modern training methods - I'd go with Marciano. Marciano is clearly the greater champion. He never lost, had an incredible knockout percentage, never gave up and simply dominated all other great fighters of his era.

I don't understand all this love people have for Mike Tyson. Sure he was incredible in the late 80's with all of the one round KOs, but the man isn't even the best heavyweight of his generation - that title belongs to Lennox Lewis - who crushed Tyson, and who beat the other 2nd greatest heavyweight of the 90s, Evander Holyfield. Tyson had incredible talent, but didn't have the intangibles to make a great champ. Tyson ducked Lewis and Foreman while he was in his prime, choosing instead to fight safe opponents like Buster Douglas, and getting absolutely crushed. I mean, that fight was not even close - and Douglas was a journeyman at best. He also had tough times with other guys like James Smith - not exactly world beaters. Make all the excuses you want - Tyson was on anti depressants, Tyson didn't train, Tyson was having sex with 9 Japanese women the night before the fight - don't these facts show that he doesn't have the discipline, or mental state to be a great champion? I think these are arguments against Tyson's greatness, not in support of it.

Also - downplaying Archie Moore's talent so much is crazy. The man is a legend. Archie Moore was a blownup light heavyweight? Who cares - Marciano was 185 - it's not like he was a giant himself, who had an incredible size advantage over other people in the division.

My Top Heavies - Ali, Louis, Marciano, Lewis, Dempsey, Johnson, Jeffries, Holyfield, Frazier, Foreman, Liston
you are crazy if you lose to hasim rahman you are not a great champion Lewis come on dont even go their losing to Vitali and dipping and ducking Chris byrd. Tyson ducked Lewis because Lewis would have been a great fight but not a worthy payday. Foreman was sneaking up in the rankings.

Gemini531
09-22-2005, 11:35 PM
Sorry my friend up until Tillis you had me. Tillis one only 1 round and he was knd down. tyson totally dominated and he was lacking in his defense. Why is it that everyone wanted a piece of Tyson and Ali after thier repected exiles? Imagine Holyfield fightin Tyson at 21-0 Holyfield would be ko'd bad.

Foreman
09-24-2005, 12:23 AM
A prime Holmes got up from a right hand bomb from Earnie ****ing Shavers and some dillweed is going to say little mikey is going to knock a prime Holmes out. Get lost you ****ing *******. Watch a few complete fights and learn a little about the sport first. This little mikey **** is getting out of hand. He doesn't beat ANYONE on any reasonable all time top ten list. Probably doesn't beat anyone on a top twenty list.

jonnywalker
09-24-2005, 07:43 AM
George Foreman was WAAAYYY past his prime when he fought Holyfield. Tyson was about 5 years and he got his ass handed to him. What does that tell you?

Ali was was nearly 10 years out of his prime when he entered the ring in Manilla. What does that tell you?

Hearns is right, you just say Tyson was out of his prime because he lost. Had he not lost to Douglas, you probably would have said he was in his prime then.
mate ****ing relax and give iron mike the respect he deserves!!

Skydog
09-25-2005, 10:26 PM
I give him the respect he deserves, he was a great boxer. But these ****ing nut-huggers go out and say he can beat greats like Ali, Louis, and Foreman and it almost makes not like Tyson anymore.

At one time, Tyson was one of my favorite boxers. But these people have boosted his skill by way too much and made him out to be the greatest in boxing.

THE REAL NINJA
12-21-2006, 04:27 PM
I think Tyson would ko Marciano easy . Mike would be far to fast and agressive for the little guy .

The Surgeon
12-26-2006, 09:26 AM
I think Tyson would ko Marciano easy . Mike would be far to fast and agressive for the little guy .

I agree, also think he'd beat Holmes although not as easily as he did when they actually fought

K-DOGG
12-26-2006, 02:46 PM
:lol1:

This is one of my old articles!! LOL!!!

Sweet!!!! I'm truly honored Skydog.

...of course, it would have been nice if you'd given me the credit. :(

Mike Tyson77
12-28-2006, 02:21 PM
Ruddock was a glas chin bum.Morrison and Lewis beat him with ease.
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BS. Bruno and lewis where dead even by the 7th. Even two judges had it even.

brownpimp88
01-02-2007, 10:39 PM
Yeah, everyone would beat tyson,lol. If it makes u morons happy, believe it.