I just downloaded this fight to disk, and made a gif.

In an earlier discussion, it was mentioned by several people (as it always is when this fight is brought up) that Wlad was tired and that's the simple reason he lost.

Wrong.

As you can see in this clip from the 5th round, Brewster turns the fight around with two very hard left hooks. Wlad won every second of round 5 until this sequence occured with a minute left:

<img src=http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/20305Brewster_TKO_Wlad.gif>

As you can see, he also lands a digging left hook to the body and another left to the head as Wlad sinks into the ropes (which is why there was a Knockdown called there: it was not a standing 8, the ref ruled the ropes held Wlad up).

After the count, Brewster was very agressive and landed more power shots as the round drew to a close.

Was Wlad tired? Yes, but so are a lot of guys that get knocked out.

Anyone who can't give credit to Lamon Brewster for showing hunger and heart earlier in the fight, and then hurting and jumping on Wlad in the end, is kidding themselves.

Lamon Brewster beat Wlad Klitscko that night with some very hard power shots.

It wasn't inexplicable fatigue, vasiline on his legs, poisoned water etc.

Brewster stopped Wlad Klitschko, period.
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It is more than obvious that Wlad cannot take a punch. He was tired in that round but who made him tired? no one told him to unload and tire himself out (That would be classified as poor ring generalship). He got knocked out plain and simple. Entertaining guys like Derrick Jefferson constantly get knocked out, Jefferson is often fatigued but it's the shots to his jaw that ultimately put him away. Wlad was tired but the shots to the jaw is what made him not want to continue. Brewster won even when he was counted out and that is the mark of a true champion.

Great post backed up with visual evidence. This site needs more of that.

Imagine what Peter will do to him? Can I use that as my signature?

Also, what program did you use to make that gif?
I just downloaded this fight to disk, and made a gif.

In an earlier discussion, it was mentioned by several people (as it always is when this fight is brought up) that Wlad was tired and that's the simple reason he lost.

Wrong.

As you can see in this clip from the 5th round, Brewster turns the fight around with two very hard left hooks. Wlad won every second of round 5 until this sequence occured with a minute left:

<img src=http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/20305Brewster_TKO_Wlad.gif>

As you can see, he also lands a digging left hook to the body and another left to the head as Wlad sinks into the ropes (which is why there was a Knockdown called there: it was not a standing 8, the ref ruled the ropes held Wlad up).

After the count, Brewster was very agressive and landed more power shots as the round drew to a close.

Was Wlad tired? Yes, but so are a lot of guys that get knocked out.

Anyone who can't give credit to Lamon Brewster for showing hunger and heart earlier in the fight, and then hurting and jumping on Wlad in the end, is kidding themselves.

Lamon Brewster beat Wlad Klitscko that night with some very hard power shots.

It wasn't inexplicable fatigue, vasiline on his legs, poisoned water etc.

Brewster stopped Wlad Klitschko, period.
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Imagine what Peter will do to him?

Also, what program did you use to make that gif?

1) Brewster showed a lot of heart and chin in that win. Those are still major questions that surround Peter. Not saying he can't pull it off, it's just a toss up IMO.

2) Animation Shop 3. Allows you to make a gif like that in about two mins.

Where did you learn how to use Animation Shop?

I just downloaded this fight to disk, and made a gif.

In an earlier discussion, it was mentioned by several people (as it always is when this fight is brought up) that Wlad was tired and that's the simple reason he lost.

Wrong.

As you can see in this clip from the 5th round, Brewster turns the fight around with two very hard left hooks. Wlad won every second of round 5 until this sequence occured with a minute left:

<img src=http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/20305Brewster_TKO_Wlad.gif>

As you can see, he also lands a digging left hook to the body and another left to the head as Wlad sinks into the ropes (which is why there was a Knockdown called there: it was not a standing 8, the ref ruled the ropes held Wlad up).

After the count, Brewster was very agressive and landed more power shots as the round drew to a close.

Was Wlad tired? Yes, but so are a lot of guys that get knocked out.

Anyone who can't give credit to Lamon Brewster for showing hunger and heart earlier in the fight, and then hurting and jumping on Wlad in the end, is kidding themselves.

Lamon Brewster beat Wlad Klitscko that night with some very hard power shots.

It wasn't inexplicable fatigue, vasiline on his legs, poisoned water etc.

Brewster stopped Wlad Klitschko, period.
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dude youre clueless. look at wlad walk back to his corner after the 4th and his body language before the hooks landed in the 5th. he was gassed.

dude youre clueless. look at wlad walk back to his corner after the 4th and his body language before the hooks landed in the 5th. he was gassed.
Yes - exactly.

That's not R. Kelly on that tape with that kid, either.

(smilie)

We have a Wlad nuthugger here. The video speaks for itself but Beez is trying to say the video is wrong....

Where did you learn how to use Animation Shop?


I just downloaded the program, and figured it out. It's really easy. It allows you to import mpeg and wma files as frames.

If you get it, just play around with it, try to keep the file sizes moderate, and you're set.
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dude youre clueless. look at wlad walk back to his corner after the 4th and his body language before the hooks landed in the 5th. he was gassed.


I suggest you watch the Thrilla in Manilla.

If fighters are judged on how tired they looked sitting on their stool between rounds, they would have stopped that fight after 7 rounds.

Take how tired Wlad was after the 4th round (which again, is no one's fault but his own) and multiply that by ten, and that's how tired Ali and Frazier were when they were beating eachother sensless in rounds 10-14

Wlad was very acitive for the first few minutes of round 5, right until the sequence in my Gif.

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I suggest you watch the Thrilla in Manilla.

If fighters are judged on how tired they looked sitting on their stool between rounds, they would have stopped that fight after 7 rounds.

Take how tired Wlad was after the 4th round (which again, is no one's fault but his own) and multiply that by ten, and that's how tired Ali and Frazier were when they were beating eachother sensless in rounds 10-14

Wlad was very acitive for the first few minutes of round 5, right until the sequence in my Gif.

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A real boxing fan>Someone who only watches boxing with the fighters they treat like pop idols

....Wlad shot his wad and had nothing left to offer. Nobody ever said he had the stamina of Ali or Foreman. Brewster was in the right place at the right time and had a chin to keep him in it until Wlad collapsed. He had a defensless and spent Wlad right in front of him and should have knocked him out after that first hard shot. The problem is that he missed 9 out of his next 10 punches. The fact that he stood up to Wlad and came back after him was discouraging to Wlad in itself. Until Wlad can show that he can stand up to pressure when he doesn't get his way early, then he will never be the man everyone thought he would be. We will find out alot about Wlad very shortly.

Imagine what Peter will do to him? Can I use that as my signature?

Also, what program did you use to make that gif?
I think peter does stop him,,,,but how do you know peter hits as hard or harder than brewster? it amazes me how some people like you make him out to be the new george foreman when hes still yet to knockout a durable fighter. I think hes a future champ,,,and very strong but I dont think hes a huge one punch guy

We have a Wlad nuthugger here. The video speaks for itself but Beez is trying to say the video is wrong....
nice try bozo. Ive seen the fight more than once fool. of course brewsters punches had some affect,,,,but the big problem with wlad was he punched himself out and didnt have the stamina to get away from any shots. the video shows it. but being the wlad hater you are,,,you dimiss it.

....Wlad shot his wad and had nothing left to offer. Nobody ever said he had the stamina of Ali or Foreman. Brewster was in the right place at the right time and had a chin to keep him in it until Wlad collapsed. He had a defensless and spent Wlad right in front of him and should have knocked him out after that first hard shot. The problem is that he missed 9 out of his next 10 punches. The fact that he stood up to Wlad and came back after him was discouraging to Wlad in itself. Until Wlad can show that he can stand up to pressure when he doesn't get his way early, then he will never be the man everyone thought he would be. We will find out alot about Wlad very shortly.
glad someone has an accurate unbiased view of the fight. good post

I think peter does stop him,,,,but how do you know peter hits as hard or harder than brewster? it amazes me how some people like you make him out to be the new george foreman when hes still yet to knockout a durable fighter. I think hes a future champ,,,and very strong but I dont think hes a huge one punch guy
I think Wlad is a goofy guy with questionable confidence in the ring and a breakable chin.

I also think if he makes it out of Round 2 with Peter, he probably wins the fight, assuming he's learned from some of his past mistakes, which the Castillo fight shows he is working on...

nice try bozo. Ive seen the fight more than once fool. of course brewsters punches had some affect,,,,but the big problem with wlad was he punched himself out and didnt have the stamina to get away from any shots. the video shows it. but being the wlad hater you are,,,you dimiss it.


Could it be any more comical that you're responding to something I didn't say?

The point was that Brewster did big damage with those shots in a 5th round where Wlad was winning every second up until it happened.

He didn't just get tired, he got stopped.

A lot of guys get tired and winded, he did, AND got stopped.

Too many people talk about that fight like Wlad "got tired" and that's all there was to it.

Brewster deserves credit. He hurt Wlad, and followed up.
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I watched the fight, and it was very obvious to me that Wladimir ran out of gas.

The fact that Brewster knocked him out says very little about Brewster. You could have transplanted my fat ass in there at that point, and I could have knocked him out.

The heavyweight division is a dismal disgrace and mere shadow of it's former glory.

Everytime there is a serious championship caliber fighter, he winds up going to prison ala Ike.


Wladimir is a good offensive fighter with no stamina and a glass chin.

Lamon Brewster is a C+ fighter himself. He has no future at the top of the heavyweight division.

If he does, I'll throw my TV out into the trash.

Could it be any more comical that you're responding to something I didn't say?

The point was that Brewster did big damage with those shots in a 5th round where Wlad was winning every second up until it happened.

He didn't just get tired, he got stopped.

A lot of guys get tired and winded, he did, AND got stopped.

Too many people talk about that fight like Wlad "got tired" and that's all there was to it.

Brewster deserves credit. He hurt Wlad, and followed up.
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of course he deserves credit. he showed a great chin and heart. all Im saying is the tide didnt turn unitl it was clear wlad ran out of gas. I remember thinking at the beginning of the fifth that "wlad is done" even before brewster let his hands go.you could see he was gassed and pushing his punches. brewster took advantage by letting his hands go and stopping him. wlad doesnt know how to dig down like a holyfield could do. brewster took wlads best,,,,and won the fight fairly

I think Wlad is a goofy guy with questionable confidence in the ring and a breakable chin.

I also think if he makes it out of Round 2 with Peter, he probably wins the fight, assuming he's learned from some of his past mistakes, which the Castillo fight shows he is working on...


...How can you sit there and call Wlad goofy with that avatar pic staring us in the face? (this is where I would insert a smiley if I did that sort of thing).

Could it be any more comical that you're responding to something I didn't say?

The point was that Brewster did big damage with those shots in a 5th round where Wlad was winning every second up until it happened.

He didn't just get tired, he got stopped.

A lot of guys get tired and winded, he did, AND got stopped.

Too many people talk about that fight like Wlad "got tired" and that's all there was to it.

Brewster deserves credit. He hurt Wlad, and followed up.
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Brewster deserves credit, he took a helluva a beating to position himself to earn that victory, I hope his effort against Golota is just the beginning.

I still dont know how hard those shots from Brewster were in the gif, I think you could have blown on Wlad and he eventually would have crumbled.

Wlad is all thru and this is coming from a klitchko cum eater(I spat it out the first time I was with him and the second time I said what the **** and swallowed the whole ****ing load), you can work on a ton of **** in the gym to improve yourself and you can do a ton of **** to improve your stamina but I dont know if you can do too much about a glass jaw and that is the big guys problem-his brother has eaten the division's best punches and he cant eat ****.

...How can you sit there and call Wlad goofy with that avatar pic staring us in the face? (this is where I would insert a smiley if I did that sort of thing).
I need some confetti dropping from the ceiling and a big grin for it there to be a valid comparison...

But his whole in-ring demeanor, especially in his last few fights, screams "goofy"

And he's got a foot in height on me. It helps add to the stereotype...

I need some confetti dropping from the ceiling and a big grin for it there to be a valid comparison...

But his whole in-ring demeanor, especially in his last few fights, screams "goofy"

And he's got a foot in height on me. It helps add to the stereotype...


Yeah, sometimes he looks like the baddest mother ****er in the world in that ring and other times he looks down right "punch drunk" and that doesn't mean he even got punched. How can a guy look so impressive and so goofy on occasions at the same time? I think he is too nice of a guy for his own good and probably a big kid at heart.

Yeah, sometimes he looks like the baddest mother ****er in the world in that ring and other times he looks down right "punch drunk" and that doesn't mean he even got punched. How can a guy look so impressive and so goofy on occasions at the same time? I think he is too nice of a guy for his own good and probably a big kid at heart.
His interviews are also straight comedy. His brother's too, but if Vitali looks pissed off, he looks mean. Wlad can't really intimidate his opponent unless the guy is wary of his height/weight...

I just downloaded this fight to disk, and made a gif.

In an earlier discussion, it was mentioned by several people (as it always is when this fight is brought up) that Wlad was tired and that's the simple reason he lost.

Wrong.

As you can see in this clip from the 5th round, Brewster turns the fight around with two very hard left hooks. Wlad won every second of round 5 until this sequence occured with a minute left:

<img src=http://www.boxingscene.com/media/data/500/20305Brewster_TKO_Wlad.gif>

As you can see, he also lands a digging left hook to the body and another left to the head as Wlad sinks into the ropes (which is why there was a Knockdown called there: it was not a standing 8, the ref ruled the ropes held Wlad up).

After the count, Brewster was very agressive and landed more power shots as the round drew to a close.

Was Wlad tired? Yes, but so are a lot of guys that get knocked out.

Anyone who can't give credit to Lamon Brewster for showing hunger and heart earlier in the fight, and then hurting and jumping on Wlad in the end, is kidding themselves.

Lamon Brewster beat Wlad Klitscko that night with some very hard power shots.

It wasn't inexplicable fatigue, vasiline on his legs, poisoned water etc.

Brewster stopped Wlad Klitschko, period.
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Well, can't argue with that, Wlad clearly was gassed by the end of the 4th round, understandable given his size and the pace he fought at up until that point. I think the guy has a problem with panicking. Against Sanders, when he got hurt he tried to fight out of it, and ended up getting hammered. I think he panicked when he got hit this time too, but tried to run instead of fight. Since his legs were gone, he couldn't get away, thus he was stopped again. IMO, Brewster should be given credit for still being there after the pounding he took, and being able to take advantage of it. Afterall, that's basically all Marciano did to Walcott. People say this and that about Marciano not being able to see and all that, but basically it was about the same thing. I'm not trying to compare Brewster with Marciano, and I really don't think Brewster beats Wlad in a rematch, but you can't say he isn't tough and you can't say he didn't win the fight. In other words, I agree.

His interviews are also straight comedy. His brother's too, but if Vitali looks pissed off, he looks mean. Wlad can't really intimidate his opponent unless the guy is wary of his height/weight...


...You make a point, but I still have seen more guys with that "****ting their pants" look on their face when entering the ring against Wlad than Vitali. I thought McCline was gonna have a heart attack before he even got into the ring with Wlad.

Yeah, I'd have to watch some old Tyson fights to see someone look that frightened lol

You guys say he has a **** chin?

Look how many shots he took and was able to stand, and move somewhat.

Golota droped right away.

LOOK AT THIS GIF. Brewster is throwing bombs, bombs, and Wlad still standing, and the KO shot wasnt even a shot.

So the guys was tottaly waisted plus he took all that punishment without falling on his ass when taking it...

You guys say he has a **** chin?

Look how many shots he took and was able to stand, and move somewhat.

Golota droped right away.

LOOK AT THIS GIF. Brewster is throwing bombs, bombs, and Wlad still standing, and the KO shot wasnt even a shot.

So the guys was tottaly waisted plus he took all that punishment without falling on his ass when taking it...

I know, I've said more or less the same thing. Look at how many times he was hit by Sanders, and kept getting up. People only see what they want to see.

I know, I've said more or less the same thing. Look at how many times he was hit by Sanders, and kept getting up. People only see what they want to see.
Chin and getting up from a shot are two different things.

A glass chin will put you on the canvas.

Ability to bounce back from punishment, heart, courage, stamina, training, etc. will get you up...

...You make a point, but I still have seen more guys with that "****ting their pants" look on their face when entering the ring against Wlad than Vitali. I thought McCline was gonna have a heart attack before he even got into the ring with Wlad.
Only Wlad-McCline I've seen was what was on their website. Didn't include the ring intros.

I think Wlad's "mystique" has been irreperably harmed, though. Not because of Purrity or Sanders or Brewster.

Because of DaVarryl Williamson...

Chin and getting up from a shot are two different things.

A glass chin will put you on the canvas.

Ability to bounce back from punishment, heart, courage, stamina, training, etc. will get you up...

He bounced back up from each Sanders knockdown.

He took all the punishment with Brewster, when he very well knew he's going to loose. If thats not heart I dont know what is.

I know, I've said more or less the same thing. Look at how many times he was hit by Sanders, and kept getting up. People only see what they want to see.


Who gives a **** if the guy is still standing the point is he was all thru..

Zab Judah probably wasnt half as hurt as his legs made him look against Zoo but he was still all thru.

A bad chin can take on a few different looks but all of those looks have 1 common characteristic which is when you get hit something goes wrong and when Wlad gets hit something goes terribly wrong.

You get no credit for staying up after getting hit with bombs-ask JL Castillo or Eric Harding. Maybe Wlad has an iron jaw and Im just missing it?

He bounced back up from each Sanders knockdown.

He took all the punishment with Brewster, when he very well knew he's going to loose. If thats not heart I dont know what is.
I must have misunderstood or chosen the wrong post to quote - I thought someone was saying "why do people say Wlad has a bad chin - he kept getting up against Sanders"

That's where my statement came from.

Wlad has more heart than his brother and more skills. His brother gets to carry a belt around though...

I was truly surprized that he had such a glass chin. Sanders revealed it to the world

Chin and getting up from a shot are two different things.

A glass chin will put you on the canvas.

Ability to bounce back from punishment, heart, courage, stamina, training, etc. will get you up...

I'm just saying that he was stunned by the shots he took from Sanders, but not to the point that he couldn't get up and continue. IMO his problem is that he didn't take a minute to get himself back together before trying to jump right back on Sanders. Sanders has very good power, and I don't believe Wlad's chin is made of porcelain. I don't believe he has serious stamina issues either. He's a big, tall guy, and he's not going to have Joe Louis-like stamina. I'm not saying his chin is made of granite, but to me it isn't as bad as people make it out to be. If anything is his problem, it's his lack of head movement, and his ability to keep his opponents from continuing to land shots to his head when he's been nailed.

I think Vitali would KO his brother.
I must have misunderstood or chosen the wrong post to quote - I thought someone was saying "why do people say Wlad has a bad chin - he kept getting up against Sanders"

That's where my statement came from.

Wlad has more heart than his brother and more skills. His brother gets to carry a belt around though...

Wlad has a glass chin?

OKAY!

Sanders could have dropped anyone with that clear left... so that does not prove anything yet.


Look on that gif again...
It took Brewster how many clean shots to drop a gassed out, barely on his feet Wlad. Something that dropped Golota instantly!
And Brewster is not a light hitter.

I'm not saying he does, or doesn't have a bad chin.. I'm saying it remains to be seen. Peter is a perfect test for it!

Who gives a **** if the guy is still standing the point is he was all thru..

Zab Judah probably wasnt half as hurt as his legs made him look against Zoo but he was still all thru.

A bad chin can take on a few different looks but all of those looks have 1 common characteristic which is when you get hit something goes wrong and when Wlad gets hit something goes terribly wrong.

You get no credit for staying up after getting hit with bombs-ask JL Castillo or Eric Harding. Maybe Wlad has an iron jaw and Im just missing it?

The only thing you're missing is my point, which isn't that Wlad has an iron chin, but that some people take it to the other end of the spectrum and say that he has a china chin and that he's a bum. You can't just call everyone that isn't a world champion a bum, there has to be a middleground somewhere.

I think Vitali would KO his brother.
if you could get them to fight, probably...

Wlad has a glass chin?

OKAY!

Sanders could have dropped anyone with that clear left... so that does not prove anything yet.


Look on that gif again...
It took Brewster how many clean shots to drop a gassed out, barely on his feet Wlad. Something that dropped Golota instantly!
And Brewster is not a light hitter.

I'm not saying he does, or doesn't have a bad chin.. I'm saying it remains to be seen. Peter is a perfect test for it!
I don't know that Peter will be able to hit him...

Fr that matter Rahman has no chin... look at my gif. And look how Leis dropped him unconscious, etc

In HW this is what you can expect...

I'm just saying that he was stunned by the shots he took from Sanders, but not to the point that he couldn't get up and continue. IMO his problem is that he didn't take a minute to get himself back together before trying to jump right back on Sanders. Sanders has very good power, and I don't believe Wlad's chin is made of porcelain. I don't believe he has serious stamina issues either. He's a big, tall guy, and he's not going to have Joe Louis-like stamina. I'm not saying his chin is made of granite, but to me it isn't as bad as people make it out to be. If anything is his problem, it's his lack of head movement, and his ability to keep his opponents from continuing to land shots to his head when he's been nailed.
Lewis didn't have a great chin, but he only got KO'd twice. A good chin isn't mandatory if you can avoid taking shots like the one in Bozo's gif...

I think Vitali would KO his brother.

Only because Vitali's chin is made of granite. I dont see anyone knocking him out and he certanly has the power to KO Wlad out, who I think has a chin that is far from granite, but not porcelain either.

Fr that matter Rahman has no chin... look at my gif. And look how Leis dropped him unconscious, etc

In HW this is what you can expect...
Rahman's KO of Lewis in the first fight was more devastating to me.

I don't know that Peter will be able to hit him...
I think of it as a dream fight for Wlad... Life/Death situation.

It will either kill, or resurrect him
Well, lets see what happens...

Lewis didn't have a great chin, but he only got KO'd twice. A good chin isn't mandatory if you can avoid taking shots like the one in Bozo's gif...

That's kind of why I said if anything, it's his apparent inability to get out of harm's way when he's been nailed.
You have to admit though, Lewis got lucky a few times and got his man out of there when he himself was in trouble, a couple of those fights could have easily gone the other way, as reckless as he fought when he was younger.

I think of it as a dream fight for Wlad... Life/Death situation.

It will either kill, or resurrect him
Well, lets see what happens...
I'm not sold on Peter yet, but HBO apparently is, so they'll act like Wlad is a top 5 guy if he beats him...

That's kind of why I said if anything, it's his apparent inability to get out of harm's way when he's been nailed.
You have to admit though, Lewis got lucky a few times and got his man out of there when he himself was in trouble, a couple of those fights could have easily gone the other way, as reckless as he fought when he was younger.
That's another reason why I don't buy the "Vitali would have beat Lewis if the fight continued" arguments. I think his time for the KO had passed by the time Round 6 came around...

Rahman's KO of Lewis in the first fight was more devastating to me.We can talk about that as well...
Rahman KOed Lewis like a sack of potatoes.. This proves what, Lewis had no chin? It just proves that in HW everyone has a punchers chance.

Wlad's chin is yet to be tested.. Maybe it's just my view, but Sanders was the one who caught him and he just never recovered... Yet he kept getting up eating those huge shots from Sanders. Bad chin? Tough to call.

We can talk about that as well...
Rahman KOed Lewis like a sack of potatoes.. This proves what, Lewis had no chin? It just proves that in HW everyone has a punchers chance.

Wlad's chin is yet to be tested.. Maybe it's just my view, but Sanders was the one who caught him and he just never recovered... Yet he kept getting up eating those huge shots from Sanders. Bad chin? Tough to call.

You're going to have a hard time convincing people of that, when you consider how many times he's been down from the Sanders fight on...

If Vitali had balls Id think he would clean the division out in two years.

Lewis didn't have a great chin, but he only got KO'd twice. A good chin isn't mandatory if you can avoid taking shots like the one in Bozo's gif...
But think about it... for 4 rounds Brewster was unable to hit him.. then all of a sudden Wlad becomes a standing target unable to throw a single shot... I say he gassed out trying to finish Brewster..

Come on.. how can it not be so obvious

You're going to have a hard time convincing people of that, when you consider how many times he's been down from the Sanders fight on...
A bad chin would have dropped him KO style... he got up what 4 times..
and each time Sanders threw/landed BOMBS

All I'm saying is that don't judge a man on one instance.

If Vitali had balls Id think he would clean the division out in two years.
I would disagree, but I don't think it's as far-fetched as some notorious "haters" on the site might think...

Byrd's probably past his prime by now, though - the McCline fight was very close and Chris went down - I give Lamon Brewster the same chance, maybe a little better than Rahman. I think Ruiz would have trouble staying up all 12 rounds vs. Vitali with the style he uses and Vitali's measurements...

I'd make him the favorite in all those fights, but not a heavy favorite to win them all.

The current crop of heavyweights is tough to build a legacy on, even if you don't duck them...

A bad chin would have dropped him KO style... he got up what 4 times..
and each time Sanders threw/landed BOMBS

All I'm saying is that don't judge a man on one instance.
There have been 3 recent fights he has been down, though...

There have been 3 recent fights he has been down, though...Williamson fight? Yes you're right.. but again.. I'm sold on the fact that his Stamina is GONE and that's what was illustrated, not his chin

I really want him to see go passed 7-8 rounds with Peter, perhaps eat some shots in between and then put him down in the 10th...


I know I'm dreaming

Anyhow Neil,

this topic was chewed over how many times? countless I'd say... and no one was able to prove anything to no one.

Only person who can prove something is Wlad..
So lets just see what happens and call it a night ;)

That's another reason why I don't buy the "Vitali would have beat Lewis if the fight continued" arguments. I think his time for the KO had passed by the time Round 6 came around...

You could very well be right, I always saw it as being that neither of them really had control of the fight by that point. I wish they would have had a rematch right away, but it wasn't to be lol

But think about it... for 4 rounds Brewster was unable to hit him.. then all of a sudden Wlad becomes a standing target unable to throw a single shot... I say he gassed out trying to finish Brewster..

Come on.. how can it not be so obvious


This is exactly the kind of BS I'm talking about.

Brewster caught him with those hooks, and never let up.

Being tired before isn't an excuse for him getting knocked out.

If Brewster hadn't landed those big hooks, no one knows what would have happened.

He did, and he finished it.

The notion that Wlad was about to fall over from exhaustion at any moment had that not happend is a cop out.

A lot of guys get tired in fights and don't get stopped.

Brewster landed some bombs, and didn't let up.

He was the better man that night, and there doesn't need to be an excuse.

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Who gives a **** if the guy is still standing the point is he was all thru..

Zab Judah probably wasnt half as hurt as his legs made him look against Zoo but he was still all thru.

A bad chin can take on a few different looks but all of those looks have 1 common characteristic which is when you get hit something goes wrong and when Wlad gets hit something goes terribly wrong.

You get no credit for staying up after getting hit with bombs-ask JL Castillo or Eric Harding. Maybe Wlad has an iron jaw and Im just missing it?


Well said.

I don't think Wlad has a glass jaw, but he gets in trouble when he gets hit, and has never recovered from the shock of finding out.

I don't think his chin is horrible, I just think he doesn't react well to being tagged, is hittable if you're not awe struck by his offense, and isn't very confident in himself since the Sanders fight.

This fight with Peter is very much a make or break fight.
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This is exactly the kind of BS I'm talking about.

Brewster caught him with those hooks, and never let up.

Being tired before isn't an excuse for him getting knocked out.

If Brewster hadn't landed those big hooks, no one knows what would have happened.

He did, and he finished it.

The notion that Wlad was about to fall over from exhaustion at any moment had that not happend is a cop out.

A lot of guys get tired in fights and don't get stopped.

Brewster landed some bombs, and didn't let up.

He was the better man that night, and there doesn't need to be an excuse.

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He won the fight without breaking any rules, period.
I think he won because Wlad gassed out, and he was able to take advantage of it. That being said, it doesn't change the fact that Brewster won the fight. The only thing Wlad can do now is fight him again and pace himself next time, but that particular fight will always be a loss for Wlad.

This is exactly the kind of BS I'm talking about.

Brewster caught him with those hooks, and never let up.

Being tired before isn't an excuse for him getting knocked out.

If Brewster hadn't landed those big hooks, no one knows what would have happened.

He did, and he finished it.

The notion that Wlad was about to fall over from exhaustion at any moment had that not happend is a cop out.

A lot of guys get tired in fights and don't get stopped.

Brewster landed some bombs, and didn't let up.

He was the better man that night, and there doesn't need to be an excuse.


And how do you explain Castillo (Corrales fight)?
Of course Brewster was a better man that night.. He went through hell to get to that KO.. and he won..
He saw an opportunity and he took great advantage of it. Anyone taking it away?

But as I already said to Neil..
You guys have your views.. others have theirs.. there is no need, or reason to argue over this as this should be watter under the bridge by now...

Lets see how Wlad does in his next fight.

Well said.

I don't think Wlad has a glass jaw, but he gets in trouble when he gets hit, and has never recovered from the shock of finding out.

I don't think his chin is horrible, I just think he doesn't react well to being tagged, is hittable if you're not awe struck by his offense, and isn't very confident in himself since the Sanders fight.

This fight with Peter is very much a make or break fight.
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Couldn't agree more, although I really don't see him having too much trouble with Peter, as long as he isn't intimidated by him to the point that he doesn't let his hands go.

This is exactly the kind of BS I'm talking about.

Brewster caught him with those hooks, and never let up.

Being tired before isn't an excuse for him getting knocked out.

If Brewster hadn't landed those big hooks, no one knows what would have happened.

He did, and he finished it.

The notion that Wlad was about to fall over from exhaustion at any moment had that not happend is a cop out.

A lot of guys get tired in fights and don't get stopped.

Brewster landed some bombs, and didn't let up.

He was the better man that night, and there doesn't need to be an excuse.

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the problem with you is,,,you think your opinion is gospel and that other opinions are excuses. the fact is brewster won the fight fair and square and should be commended on having a big heart. he won this fight mostly due to the fact that wlad couldnt put brewster away and tired himself doing it. this isnt an excuse its a fact. deal with it.

And how do you explain Castillo (Corrales fight)?



What are you talking about?

the problem with you is,,,you think your opinion is gospel and that other opinions are excuses. the fact is brewster won the fight fair and square and should be commended on having a big heart. he won this fight mostly due to the fact that wlad couldnt put brewster away and tired himself doing it. this isnt an excuse its a fact. deal with it.


Just like it's a fact that Vitali Klitschko only beat Kirk Johnson because Johnson didn't have the lungs to fight because he came in like a whale?

How does it makes sense that saying Wlad only lost because he couldn't put Brewster away and got tired is factual?

That's the very definition of an excuse.

Yes he was tired, lots of fighters get tired (most not as soon as the 5th) and don't get knocked out.

He got clipped, and Brewster never let up.

The bottom line is that half the people that talk about this fight bring up Wlad being tired in the same sentence where they mention he lost to Brewster.

He didn't lose to Brewster because he was tired, Brewster beat him because he landed the big shots and took his man out.
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Castillo gassed out trying to finish Corrales each time...

Somewhat similat to Wlad/Brewster... Wlad gassed out trying to finish Brewster..

Of course Castillo/Corrales went to war for full 10 rounds and Wlad was giving Brewster a beating for 4.. Of course it's his own fault that he burned himself out...
But he does have a poor stamina issue.. (well, that was the first fight it really showed)

But also, both Klitschkos are known to go full 12 with their mouth open since the 4th... acting as they would col laps... so who knows...

Maybe it was Wlad's reaction to the punch.... The world will never know :dunno:


Anyhow... Boys!

I'm off to bed

He didn't lose to Brewster because he was tired, Brewster beat him because he landed the big shots and took his man out.

disagree. he took his man out becuase he was gassed. just like izon did to a gassed derrick jerfferson and ali to a gassed foreman. open your eyes and smell the coffee dude. this is my last argument with you becuase I know your a narrow minded wlad hater. sweet dreams

Castillo gassed out trying to finish Corrales each time...

Somewhat similat to Wlad/Brewster... Wlad gassed out trying to finish Brewster..

Of course Castillo/Corrales went to war for full 10 rounds and Wlad was giving Brewster a beating for 4.. Of course it's his own fault that he burned himself out...
But he does have a poor stamina issue.. (well, that was the first fight it really showed)

But also, both Klitschkos are known to go full 12 with their mouth open since the 4th... acting as they would col laps... so who knows...

Maybe it was Wlad's reaction to the punch.... The world will never know :dunno:


Anyhow... Boys!

I'm off to bed


You've lost me here.

What does that have to do with anything?

Does anyone ever mention Castillo being tired everytime they bring up the fight?


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He didn't lose to Brewster because he was tired, Brewster beat him because he landed the big shots and took his man out.

disagree. he took his man out becuase he was gassed. just like izon did to a gassed derrick jerfferson and ali to a gassed foreman. open your eyes and smell the coffee dude. this is my last argument with you becuase I know your a narrow minded wlad hater. sweet dreams


Again you make no sense,

Does anyone you know talk about Ali foreman like this:

"Sure Ali beat Foreman, but only because Foreman was really tired".

That constantly happens with this fight.

It's always, "Brewster won, but...."

There is no 'but'.

Brewster walked through what Wlad had, hurt him in the 5th, and finshed him by throwing until it was stopped.

Guys like you talk like you think there should be a * beside the fight result.
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Again you make no sense,

Does anyone you know talk about Ali foreman like this:

"Sure Ali beat Foreman, but only because Foreman was really tired".

That constantly happens with this fight.

It's always, "Brewster won, but...."

There is no 'but'.

Brewster walked through what Wlad had, hurt him in the 5th, and finshed him by throwing until it was stopped.

Guys like you talk like you think there should be a * beside the fight result.
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I don't, but I do think there should be a rematch, if Wlad handles Peter like I think he will.

Lets see here...this is what I take from the fight.

Judging from the first 5 rounds, Wlad was technically the best HW, with not a "glass" chin, but a weak one. It seems to me he has no heart in the ring.

Anyways, in that fight the ONLY reason why he lost was because He didn't pace himself. It happens...he just had an off night. He has Manny now, and manny has taught him the american way...the good way. He has learned to pace himself, and jab, jab, jab which is what he'll do against Peter.

Lets see here...this is what I take from the fight.

Judging from the first 5 rounds, Wlad was technically the best HW, with not a "glass" chin, but a weak one. It seems to me he has no heart in the ring.

Anyways, in that fight the ONLY reason why he lost was because He didn't pace himself. It happens...he just had an off night. He has Manny now, and manny has taught him the american way...the good way. He has learned to pace himself, and jab, jab, jab which is what he'll do against Peter.

Well he had Manny in that fight too! ;)

He will beat Peter convincingly!

Who gives a **** if the guy is still standing the point is he was all thru..

Zab Judah probably wasnt half as hurt as his legs made him look against Zoo but he was still all thru.

A bad chin can take on a few different looks but all of those looks have 1 common characteristic which is when you get hit something goes wrong and when Wlad gets hit something goes terribly wrong.

You get no credit for staying up after getting hit with bombs-ask JL Castillo or Eric Harding. Maybe Wlad has an iron jaw and Im just missing it?


Just to clarify, a bad chin looks like Lewis-Rahman I

and Lewis-Rahman II

Especially the first fight, when Lewis just layed there.

Or how about when Rahman fell through the ropes against Maskaev?

That's a bad chin, period.

I disagree that nobody gives a **** if a guy gets up after being nailed and dropped. Regardless of what the record says, fighters get their fights based largely on HOW THEY LOOKED in their past fights. A fighter DOES get recognition for getting up off the canvas, just not from you.

It seems to me he has no heart in the ring.

And you got this impression when he got up from the Knockdowns Corry gave him and tried to continue TO TRADE POWERSHOTS?? The problem is not his heart, its his head. The man has NO IDEA what to do when he gets hit. That is a problem that Golota also shares. Golota covers up thinking that he cant get hit instead of grabbing and holding his opponents arms.

And you got this impression when he got up from the Knockdowns Corry gave him and tried to continue TO TRADE POWERSHOTS?? The problem is not his heart, its his head. The man has NO IDEA what to do when he gets hit. That is a problem that Golota also shares. Golota covers up thinking that he cant get hit instead of grabbing and holding his opponents arms.


How so many people can miss this is beyond me lol

We have a Wlad nuthugger here. The video speaks for itself but Beez is trying to say the video is wrong....

I can't believe some of you knuckleheads are still debating this after all this time!

No, obviously the video shows what happened....outwardly.

Wlad was drugged. It's that simple. There are just too damn many
factors pointing to that being the case that everyone either ignores, or just allows their misplaced hatred of Wlad (because of his skin tone, no less) to cloud their logic.

So, for those peoples' sakes, lets go through it again.

Here are the facts:

1) The official odds on the fight ****ed dramatically in favor of Brewster just 2 hours before the fight took place. Yes, odds do fluctuate before a fight, but nowhere even near the way they did with this one.

2) Wlad's blood and urine test results from the night of the fight never made it to the boxing officials.

Now, the following are not actual documented facts, but we all know them to be true:

1) Don King is a crooked mother****er, and Brewster is his pet. He wants to control all the HW champs, and therefore hold all the belts.

2)It is common knoweledge that shady events and dealings take take place all the time where sporting events are concerned. Add to that the presence of Don King and its a gimme.

3)Wlad's exhaustion after the fight was so extreme that he could not even carry himself out of the building on his own. His previous loss (I forget who it was against) that resulted from exhaustion and being gassed out showed a much different Wlad. One who was able to walk and talk and even give an interview afterwards. Even my fat ass, after working out hard, get my wind back after a few minutes. There was definitely some external factor (and nothing to do with Brewster) causing Wlad's extreme exhaustion.

Now before you start accusing me of being a Wlad sackrider (which I am) also take the time to review the validity of the above statements.