lookin kind of skinny http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20050818/capt.cx11408182136.cboe_vargas_cx114.jpg

I hope he's been working on his speed.

Vargas KTFO DeLaHoya...

Vargas is for real

Vargas KTFO DeLaHoya...

Vargas is for real
im sorry i think u have amnesia lol
DLH TKOd vargas in the 11th, although vargas did have a lot of moments

wow vargas does look in better shape then hes been in a while he should keep working on it cus hes always been pudgy.

I think people are rushing to judgement. What makes people think he will perform better in this fight as opposed to his last couple of fights?

The outfit he is wearing doesnt do much justice...I mean he could easily be a "skinny 154" in that picture and not a ripped one.....Plus he has 2 shirts on one being rather baggy....That picture does nothing, tomorrow we will find out if he has progressed much...

vargas has always had a six pack, he doesn't pace himself tho

Skinny, Fat or not. He is going to outclass Castillejo then hopefully knock Karmazin out to stop this bandwagon charade.

I think people are rushing to judgement. What makes people think he will perform better in this fight as opposed to his last couple of fights?

Last three fights: Pounded out a well earned decision against a tough as nails fighter in Joval. In the process reinforcing the idea he has boxing skills and can adapt to opponents, instead of just knocking them out like he usually does. Stopping Fitz Vanderpool and Tony Marshall in 7 rounds? Impressive enough for me considering his last loss was against an effort by one of the greatest fighters in the sport at the time, oh and his loss before that was against a wrecking ball whom he made mistakes against.

Who is Castillejo? He didnt even bother showing up against DLH. WHy would I think he would beat a declining vargas?
Skinny, Fat or not. He is going to outclass Castillejo then hopefully knock Karmazin out to stop this bandwagon charade.

Who is Castillejo? He didnt even bother showing up against DLH. WHy would I think he would beat a declining vargas?

Right. Castillejo is no chump, and "declining" is an overused cliche regarding Fernando.

That was a boring fight man. Joval couldnt hurt Vargas. Most boxers would try to knock out a fighter who they know cant hurt them. But Vargas remaine timid in that fight however.

He fought in Tucson, Az my hometown a couple of fights ago. Saw him in person and this is not a champion caliber guy.

Declining? What would you call Vargas since DLH then? The same Vargas thats clearly ducking Mayorga? Remember the old Vargas that would sue to get out of fights?
Right. Castillejo is no chump, and "declining" is an overused cliche regarding Fernando.

That was a boring fight man. Joval couldnt hurt Vargas. Most boxers would try to knock out a fighter who they know cant hurt them. But Vargas remaine timid in that fight however.


Joval has never been knocked out in a professional fight. The only time he was down was against Sam Solimon who caught him with a flash punch. He also fought the entire fight with Mora suffering a broken jaw.

If a Wild Solimon or Vargas could not finish him, nobody ever will. He is the type of fighter that just does not get knocked out.

Also, I think Vargas will get the decision over Castillejo. Castillejo is just ass thats why.

Vargas and Castillejo were the last opponents DLH actually did good against. I think that speaks VOLUMES.

Declining? The same Vargas thats clearly ducking Mayorga?

Why should he fight that ****ing bum? what does Mayorga bring to the table? What belts does he hold that Vargas is interested in?

Vargas = Elite fighter

Mayorga = C class bum at best.

Sticking your chin out and letting people hit you does not make you an A class fighter IMO.

OH, and that vacant WBC belt is pure garbage...its no wonder why Mayorga fought Picirillo.

If Vargas is still good, then why is he ducking Mayorga? :confused:

If Vargas is still good, then why is he ducking Mayorga? :confused:

It really doesnt matter if they fight or not. Even if Mayorga gets stopped in the late rounds like I think he would, it would not change people's already ingrade nuthugging of Mayorga. Him sticking his chin out in coalition with his wild knockouts make him the greatest fighter who ever lived according to people on this forum.

The guy is a ****ing bum. I personally think Vargas is ducking DLH oh wait. He called him out.

Calling De La Hoya out? De La Hoya's ONLY win in his big fights was against Vargas. De La Hoya has lost 4 of his 5 biggest fights...who would "call him out"?

Calling De La Hoya out? De La Hoya's ONLY win in his big fights was against Vargas. De La Hoya has lost 4 of his 5 biggest fights...who would "call him out"?

Because Vargas wants to avenge a loss on his record. And why should he listen to Mayorga? WHO THE **** IS RICARDO MAYORGA?

A taylor made opponent for superstars to practice combinations on?

Wow, you really hate Mayorga. Hey, I don't think Mayorga's as good as most people say, but he can knock Vargas out. How can you say Vargas could stop Mayorga? Trinidad landed ridiculous figures before he finally put Mayorga down, and you think VARGAS can do it? :rolleyes:

I bet if we made a poll, most would say Mayorga beats him and a lot would say by knock out or TKO.
Why should he fight that ****ing bum? what does Mayorga bring to the table? What belts does he hold that Vargas is interested in?

Vargas = Elite fighter

Mayorga = C class bum at best.

Sticking your chin out and letting people hit you does not make you an A class fighter IMO.

Wow, you really hate Mayorga. Hey, I don't think Mayorga's as good as most people say, but he can knock Vargas out. How can you say Vargas could stop Mayorga? Trinidad landed ridiculous figures before he finally put Mayorga down, and you think VARGAS can do it? :rolleyes:

yes I do. I think Mayorga is overrated and Trinidad exposed his ass. He does not belong in the ring with devistating punchers like Vargas or Trinidad.

I bet if we made a poll, most would say Mayorga beats him and a lot would say by knock out or TKO.


I would have to say you are right. Too many people have Mayorga's balls lodged in their cranial sector affecting judgement. Its really ****ing annoying.

So all of a sudden Vargas hits just as hard as Trinidad? :rolleyes:

Cosign and karma for you for injecting reality into this thread!
Wow, you really hate Mayorga. Hey, I don't think Mayorga's as good as most people say, but he can knock Vargas out. How can you say Vargas could stop Mayorga? Trinidad landed ridiculous figures before he finally put Mayorga down, and you think VARGAS can do it? :rolleyes:

Dude, I know Mayorgas very limited. But one of those unorthodox punches to a weaker Vargas who was never known for his defense, and its truly lights out for Vargas.
I would have to say you are right. Too many people have Mayorga's balls lodged in their cranial sector affecting judgement. Its really ****ing annoying.

Sounds like we have an infuriated Mexican on our hands, mnash. These guys can be reeeeeeeeeal irrational, so you gotta keep your cool and continuously :rolleyes: as you read

No joke, Vargas gets dropped almost as much as Trinidad, and that's crazy

Dude, I know Mayorgas very limited. But one of those unorthodox punches to a weaker Vargas who was never known for his defense, and its truly lights out for Vargas.

Oh 1 punch? You're right. He has no heart. That is why he got up off the canvas multiple times against Trinidad and against Rivera to continue fighting?

OH......I suppose Mayorga hits harder than Trinidad now? :rolleyes:

Dude, breathe! I never said the word heart in my response.

And Wlad was getting up from all Corrie Sanders punches and he STILL ended up losing. I see the same thing happening with Vargas.
Oh 1 punch? You're right. He has no heart. That is why he got up off the canvas multiple times against Trinidad and against Rivera to continue fighting?

OH......I suppose Mayorga hits harder than Trinidad now? :rolleyes:

Dude, breathe! I never said the word heart in my response.

And Wlad was getting up from all Corrie Sanders punches and he STILL ended up losing. I see the same thing happening with Vargas.

You said "One punch and its lights out". That is borderline moronic........*leaves thread*.

The Vargas that fought Trinidad was stronger and better than the Vargas that should fight Mayorga. Vargas knows this and his lawyers are now trying to get him out of a fight with Mayorga.
Oh 1 punch? You're right. He has no heart. That is why he got up off the canvas multiple times against Trinidad and against Rivera to continue fighting?

OH......I suppose Mayorga hits harder than Trinidad now? :rolleyes:

Dude, I know Mayorgas very limited. But one of those unorthodox punches to a weaker Vargas who was never known for his defense, and its truly lights out for Vargas.

That's a pretty clean and reasonable answer to the whole situation. Props to mnash for delivering.

You said "One punch and its lights out". That is borderline moronic........*leaves thread*.

he surrendered :D

Wow, you really hate Mayorga. Hey, I don't think Mayorga's as good as most people say, but he can knock Vargas out. How can you say Vargas could stop Mayorga? Trinidad landed ridiculous figures before he finally put Mayorga down, and you think VARGAS can do it? :rolleyes:


It's true though Mayorga is reckless and sloppy nothing about him is impressive except his chin he lost to corey spinks vargas would make his night short and that is still my opinion on that.

and by the way you guys just got owned kind of like the whole pacman thing because morales lost to barrera and pacman ko'd barrera its over for morales lol wow I dont even know why I post anymore.

Vargas isnt half the boxer as spinks. spinks was good at avoiding mayos punches. vargas took everything tito and DLH threw and was KTFO for it,

ktfo are you serious ktfo is what happen to lennox lewis.

Mayorga's Unorthodox Style makes Mayorga #1 he can show up to a fight talk a whole lot of **** and not back it up be he'll always be #1 even though hes never beat anyone other that vernon and six heads.

I'll agree the wbc **** is lame (sueing) but mayorga should of not had the chance to fight for the wbc that was even lamer.

another abandoned thread nice. delete this ****

yes I do. I think Mayorga is overrated and Trinidad exposed his ass. He does not belong in the ring with devistating punchers like Vargas or Trinidad.


The only reason Mayorga went down is because of body shots. Tito hit him with everything including the kitchen sink, and Mayorga still stood.

Vargas went down twice in the first round from 1 left hook.

Mayorga let Tito take 2 left hooks for free.

Vargas says he is only concentrated on Castillejo. When people speak to him about Mayorga he has nothing to say. Moments later he calls out DLH.

You are probably the worst poster on this forum. Nobody likes a raving Mexican.

Yeah Vargas also got up and knocked down Tito and almost beat him, Mayorga almost got kd by piccirillo and he's not known for his power soooo your point dumb ****.

I'm just going to stop lol it doesetn matter since im a mexican obviously my opinion doesent matter I should reconize mayorga for his true abilities to box and move and get punched lmao.

Mayorga is exciting and fun to watch but he's nothing but a side show.

Yeah Vargas also got up and knocked down Tito and almost beat him, Mayorga almost got kd by piccirillo and he's not known for his power soooo your point dumb ****.

I'm just going to stop lol it doesetn matter since im a mexican obviously my opinion doesent matter I should reconize mayorga for his true abilities to box and move and get punched lmao.

Mayorga almost got kd'ed by Piccirillo? Wow, I guess you're the only one that caught that? Piccirillo has also beaten Spinks, and never been stopped. He was in fact top 10.

When did Vargas almost beat him? In the 12th round? Really I'v go t to hand it to Vargas, I'v never seen someone get so ktfo. The whole part when he fell face first into the canvas, and just kinda crawled there. Brilliant!

Ya you are Mexican, and you're correct you're opinion doesn't matter. Now that you've realized this, are you going to leave the forum?

Probably he was wobbled and hurt in round 9 i think or 8 or one of them and he dident look impressive he blongs in mma not boxing :D

Probably he was wobbled and hurt in round 9 i think or 8 or one of them and he dident look impressive he blongs in mma not boxing :D

That was Piccirillo you idiot.

He looked more impressive than Joval vs Vargas. 120-105 is impressive scorecard no? Considering that Piccirillo is a marathon runner with gloves.

yeah really sharpened mayorgas boxing skills, your talking **** like i dont like mayorga.. I like mayorga but he lacks a lot.

yeah really sharpened mayorgas boxing skills, your talking **** like i dont like mayorga.. I like mayorga but he lacks a lot.

Wtf, when did I say Mayorga had good boxing skills? Thats the case I'm trying to push. Yes, he lacks a lot, but he's improving, he almost developed a jab, and he has better speed and head movement? Can you dispute that? His power, chin, and heart are all still there..Unlike Vargas who never had chin, had heart(which I'm sure is still there). Vargas has better skills than Mayorga, but now he is slower and defensive. I think his power diminished.

You can't just stand in front of Mayorga, which is what Vargas would do. Maybe he could if he had a good chin, but he doesn't. It was further degraded after Trinidad ****ed him.

Wtf, when did I say Mayorga had good boxing skills? Thats the case I'm trying to push. Yes, he lacks a lot, but he's improving, he almost developed a jab, and he has better speed and head movement? Can you dispute that? His power, chin, and heart are all still there..Unlike Vargas who never had chin, had heart(which I'm sure is still there). Vargas has better skills than Mayorga, but now he is slower and defensive. I think his power diminished.

You can't just stand in front of Mayorga, which is what Vargas would do. Maybe he could if he had a good chin, but he doesn't. It was further degraded after Trinidad ****ed him.

You know nothing about boxing, and it shows in your delusional posts. "Mayorga is improving"

He has lost 3 of his last 5 fights in my opinion.....robbing Vernon Forrest of an obvious victory.

If Humberto Arana can stop Mayorga Vargas will definitely do so.

And BTW: Vargas would not stand directly in front of the 1 dimmensional fighter. He would exploit him with counterpunches and find weaknesses.

You know nothing about boxing, and it shows in your delusional posts. "Mayorga is improving"

He has lost 3 of his last 5 fights in my opinion.....robbing Vernon Forrest of an obvious victory.

If Humberto Arana can stop Mayorga Vargas will definitely do so.

And BTW: Vargas would not stand directly in front of the 1 dimmensional fighter. He would exploit him with counterpunches and find weaknesses.

I never knew you were a Vargas fan Run,Im more of an oscar fan myself,but vargas does have his strengths,and wins over good opposition.

You know nothing about boxing, and it shows in your delusional posts. "Mayorga is improving"

He has lost 3 of his last 5 fights in my opinion.....robbing Vernon Forrest of an obvious victory.

If Humberto Arana can stop Mayorga Vargas will definitely do so.

And BTW: Vargas would not stand directly in front of the 1 dimmensional fighter. He would exploit him with counterpunches and find weaknesses.

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~raza/ohnoes.jpg

What mega fights has Vargas won?
You know nothing about boxing, and it shows in your delusional posts. "Mayorga is improving"

He has lost 3 of his last 5 fights in my opinion.....robbing Vernon Forrest of an obvious victory.

If Humberto Arana can stop Mayorga Vargas will definitely do so.

And BTW: Vargas would not stand directly in front of the 1 dimmensional fighter. He would exploit him with counterpunches and find weaknesses.

Why is everyone talking **** on Vargas? I bet you were all dick riding on Vargas 2/3 year ago. Vargas would beat Mayorga if they fight. Mayorga can't take body shots and that will be his downfall. He might be able to take shots to the chin but he can't take **** to the body. Tito finished Mayorga by going to the body and Piccirillo also hurt Mayorga to the body and Piccirillo does not hit as hard as Vargas. Vargas would make it a easy and short fight for himself if he goes to the body and even if he doesn't go to the body he still has enough power to KO Mayorga. Even Piccirillo was able to stun Mayorga, I don't think Piccirillo really hurt Mayorga but he did stun him a couple times.

Now to respond to this thread. Hell yea Vargas is in shape. Just look at my avitar.

So what, Mayorga got screwed over against Spinks. It goes both ways

No, I will be the first to tell you that I like Vargas. But what I dont like is Vargas fans acting like he's still his old self when he isnt.

And looking at his career, he aimed for the stars quickly, but didnt come out as the victor in his two biggest fights (only two meaningful fights) and got Knocked the FVCK out in both.
Why is everyone talking **** on Vargas? I bet you were all dick riding on Vargas 2/3 year ago. Vargas would beat Mayorga if they fight. Mayorga can't take body shots and that will be his downfall. He might be able to take shots to the chin but he can't take **** to the body. Tito finished Mayorga by going to the body and Piccirillo also hurt Mayorga to the body and Piccirillo does not hit as hard as Vargas. Vargas would make it a easy and short fight for himself if he goes to the body and even if he doesn't go to the body he still has enough power to KO Mayorga. Even Piccirillo was able to stun Mayorga, I don't think Piccirillo really hurt Mayorga but he did stun him a couple times.

It doesn't matter how pretty 'Nando's abs look....you can't train the CHIN!!!

1st big shot from an above-average puncher will end Vargas' career, period

the guy is already punch-drunk and he's like 27, he should take some of his DeLaHoya $$$ and buy himself a top-notch hospital bed, maybe get a flossy platinum bed-pan to go with it since he's usually tryin' to be Mr. Hip-Hop

Ive never seen someone rise so quickly and crumble so quickly too as Vargas has. Hes only 27!

mayorga knocks out vargas plain and simple, mayorga is relentless and will catch vargas sooner or later and then its goodnite. i like vargas but why do u think mayo keeps calling him out and vargas acts like he doesnt hear mayo. vargas knows he will get ktfo

It doesn't matter how pretty 'Nando's abs look....you can't train the CHIN!!!

1st big shot from an above-average puncher will end Vargas' career, period

the guy is already punch-drunk and he's like 27, he should take some of his DeLaHoya $$$ and buy himself a top-notch hospital bed, maybe get a flossy platinum bed-pan to go with it since he's usually tryin' to be Mr. Hip-Hop
i disagreei think u can train the chin. jus get mad heavy punchers to sparr with u.
n all of his punches hes been down from r left hooks
n they were in the fights against DLH tito, and one other, the fight after tito

i think vargas's fight on saturday, will determine how good he is now. it doesn't matter if he doesn't KO the guy, hes tryna learn how to box, so if he does that good, then hell try the bigger boys of the division

Whose Castillejo before you can say what Sat's fight determines. He didnt even show up against DLH.

Vargas won't beat Mayorga in ma opinon too.

Mayorga in his right weight class = BEAT VARGAS BY STOPPAGE.


side note: Vargas should fight Forrest. 2 good fightas comin back afta a long layback. It's perfect match. It would be interesting, but I still see Forrest beating Vargas as well.

Vargas won't beat Mayorga in ma opinon too.

Mayorga in his right weight class = BEAT VARGAS BY STOPPAGE.


side note: Vargas should fight Forrest. 2 good fightas comin back afta a long layback. It's perfect match. It would be interesting, but I still see Forrest beating Vargas as well.


Makes sense. I think Forrest would beat Vargas as well, but he(vernon) looked rusty in his last fight, rightfully so.

I thought Vernon looked good, and he would KO the current Vargas in 3 rounds.

Hopefully he's back and ready to rock and roll like he used to I would hate to have all this hype for nothing!

Somepeople say that Mayorga shouldn't have had the opportunity to fight for a title so fast. But why should Vargas? The rightful owner of the belt was Castillejo, he/or his handlers did not want to fight Mayorga (whom was his mandatory), so the title became vacant. The winner of the Vargas vs. Castillejo fights Mayorga, which is only fair. How in the world can anyone not like this situation?

I hope Vargas can make a good comeback...

I used to like DeLaHoya n hate Vargas..

now it's the opposite..i hope vargas kills dlh in the ring...

now it's the opposite..i hope vargas kills dlh in the ring...

Not gonna happen in this life time ;)

Vargas and his rabid fans dont want to see him get KOd.
Somepeople say that Mayorga shouldn't have had the opportunity to fight for a title so fast. But why should Vargas? The rightful owner of the belt was Castillejo, he/or his handlers did not want to fight Mayorga (whom was his mandatory), so the title became vacant. The winner of the Vargas vs. Castillejo fights Mayorga, which is only fair. How in the world can anyone not like this situation?

Somepeople say that Mayorga shouldn't have had the opportunity to fight for a title so fast. But why should Vargas? The rightful owner of the belt was Castillejo, he/or his handlers did not want to fight Mayorga (whom was his mandatory), so the title became vacant. The winner of the Vargas vs. Castillejo fights Mayorga, which is only fair. How in the world can anyone not like this situation?

It didn't become mandatory for Castillejo to fight Mayorga untill he signed to fight Vargas. But since Mayorga is Promoted by Don King it became mandatory even after Castillejo had already signed to fight Vargas. I think neither Vargas or Mayorga earned the right to be the number 1 contender so Castillejo should have been allowed to fight who ever he wanted to fight and should not have been stripped of his belt.

I thought Vernon looked good, and he would KO the current Vargas in 3 rounds.

Ok that is seriously taking things a bit too far.

well i'm not a vargas fan cause i don't really know his whole background and thing such as that would make me a fan......but i do like the way he fights and i like how he is sure of himself a man with confidence is far better than a humble man in my eyes.......

I would take Vargas to be Mayorga either way the fight is gonna have some knockdowns in it cause Vargas will always try to get up the only way he won't is if the ref stops it and well as Mayorga the guy is a brawler he loves to fight but iw ould choose Vargas but just don't know if its gonna be by decision or TKO

DAmn only another hour till my Vargas collection comes in........gotta go check the P.O Box

No, if i remember right, Mayorga was the mandatory before Vargas came into the picture. Though i agree that Castillejo should have had at least been able to defend his title. A fight with Vargas or Mayorga would have been good. I still like the turn out though, and am looking forward to the Vargas vs Castillejo fight.

Vargas will win this fight by decision. The old Vargas would have KOd this guy in 4.

Vargas will win not because he's great, Castillejo is just ass.

That don't nothing because he was the one laying on the canvas not Oscar. Oscar lit him up in the later rounds and took him out...