Ring Magazine featherweight champion Manny Pacquiao gave millions of his countrymen to whom he is a hero and a national treasure an evening of unforgettable thrills with his fourth round knockout of gallant Thai contender Fahsan 3K Battery, but in the eyes of his corner and members of Team Pacquiao as well as respected boxing men Pacquiao was far from ready to take on WBA/IBF champion Juan Manuel Marquez in their much-awaited rematch scheduled for February 26 by international promoter Murad Muhammad and HBO Sports.

While Pacquiao demonstrated his devastating punching power to ultimately put an end to the visibly smaller Fahsan, his timing was off and he was clearly not in condition as he appeared to be breathing heavily through his mouth as early as the third round, showing that the two weeks of intense training under Freddie Roach were far from adequate for a tough fight. Although Roach didn’t indicate he was too disappointed with Pacquiao’s performance he has made it clear that he would “like to see Manny leave for LA the day after Christmas if that is possible” so he could get to work right away in preparation for the Marquez rematch, reminding Pacquiao that the champion “is right now training at an altitude of ten thousand feet and is a condition freak” and is determined to erase the ignominy of his three knockdowns in the first round last May. [details (http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=399)]

While Manny needs to be at the state of preparedness in facing JMM as he was when he faced Barrera, Ronnie, there's also the matter of over-training!

Give Pac the break he deserves! He needs that. Boxing is as much Psychology as Physiology.

Manny could peak too early if he begins too early, after all he was down to 125 lbs when he faced Fahsan! He should be given his Birthday, Xmas and New Year's breaks; but having said that, he should not have anything to do with a reality TV series with Robin Padilla any time between now and Feb. 26.

Don't press the guy too much Ronnie! Relaxing between fights is an essential part of boxing! Three weeks off shouldn't be too much to give Manny, as long as he does some road work and sporadic limbering exercises, as well as avoid bad diets and bottles of beer, during that period.

Hey, even a gym rat like a Hopkins takes it easy after a fight!

If Marquez is doing his roadwork in high altitudes, then Manny should do his roadwork in a similar elevation. Maybe spend Xmas and New Year in Bagiou, or somewhere else in the Cordilleras, with his family.

But he should be given a chance to spend some time with his family; emotional support system, you know. :)

Hard to admit but he did cram for 3 weeks enough to dispose of 3k but not for the caliber of JMM. Note that FR wants him to train for JMM asap. No more christmas break if possible because JMM is killing himself in training right this very moment in the high altitudes while the pacman continues with his BS ways in showbiz, ****fights ,pools and cardgames. Damn, I hate to say this but now is the time work and no more celebrations and distractions.

if this is true then pacman needs to get back to training as soon as possible. props to team pac for being honest about their wards actual condition. they should continue to make him work harder, more focused and dedicated like he had never been. a less than 100% pacquiao is not going to make the cut against marquez.

however, i don't want to speculate that manny is going to turn deaf on freddie's instruction to train early. the fact that freddie went personally to the philippines to supervise his training is enough indication that team pac is doing what they exactly need to do to prepare for the biggest hurdle in manny's career -- his fight against jmm in february

I agree. Pac is not yet in peak form. Needs more training to beat JMM in Feb. He was gasping for air by the 4th rd

I agree. Pac is not yet in peak form. Needs more training to beat JMM in Feb. He was gasping for air by the 4th rd

i think there was a collusion among team pac, the philippine media and the mafia to bluff team marquez! :D just kiddin... ;)

i think there was a collusion among team pac, the philippine media and the mafia to bluff team marquez! :D just kiddin... ;)

lol nice of you think that way lol

lol nice of you think that way lol

thanks bud :D ...the psy-war has officially started...read my post on the other thread.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=80139#post80139

thanks bud :D ...the psy-war has officially started...read my post on the other thread.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=80139#post80139


good post dude :) yupo the psy war has begun :D

I think PAC deserves a Holiday break, but starting January 1st, 2005, he should move his butt to FR's Wild Ward Gym to start full time training....

I think PAC deserves a Holiday break, but starting January 1st, 2005, he should move his butt to FR's Wild Ward Gym to start full time training....

and keep him away from the pool tables PLEEEZZ !!

I think PAC deserves a Holiday break, but starting January 1st, 2005, he should move his butt to FR's Wild Ward Gym to start full time training....That's a good calendar, right there, pal! :)

and keep him away from the pool tables PLEEEZZ !!Amen, pal, amen. ;) But not because he might damage a muscle from lifting a cue! :D It's just that he's prone to keep late nights over pool tables with beer nearby, so I heard! :(

Amen, pal, amen. ;) But not because he might damage a muscle from lifting a cue! :D It's just that he's prone to keep late nights over pool tables with beer nearby, so I heard! :(

You know what ? I heard he loves to bet on the pool table with Filipino great Efren Reyes. It goes something like if Pac shoots ONE ball he wins, Efren has to finish up the table to win. And Efren of course still wins. I alos heard the bet goes up to 100-200,000 pesos. JEEEZ

You know what ? I heard he loves to bet on the pool table with Filipino great Efren Reyes. It goes something like if Pac shoots ONE ball he wins, Efren has to finish up the table to win. And Efren of course still wins. I alos heard the bet goes up to 100-200,000 pesos. JEEEZWHAT?!!! :eek: Two of the greatest Filipino sports heroes of all time, going up against each other in a game that one is just about to be enshrined as among the greatest to ever play the game! Efren "Bata"? Hey, he's widely recognized as the BEST TO EVER HOLD A BILLIARD CUE! Anywhere in the world, every where inthe world!

What is Manny doing!!! :(

A hundred to a couple of hundred big ones?!

Somebody, get some sense knocked into this kid's head quick! :mad:

WHAT?!!! :eek: Two of the greatest Filipino sports heroes of all time, going up against each other in a game that one is just about to be enshrined as among the greatest to ever play the game! Efren "Bata"? Hey, he's widely recognized as the BEST TO EVER HOLD A BILLIARD CUE! Anywhere in the world, every where inthe world!

What is Manny doing!!! :(

A hundred to a couple of hundred big ones?!

Somebody, get some sense knocked into this kid's head quick! :mad:


That's why somebody has to drag his ass to California after the Christmas break before he spends time again in the billiard halls :p

WHAT?!!! :eek: Two of the greatest Filipino sports heroes of all time, going up against each other in a game that one is just about to be enshrined as among the greatest to ever play the game! Efren "Bata"? Hey, he's widely recognized as the BEST TO EVER HOLD A BILLIARD CUE! Anywhere in the world, every where inthe world!

What is Manny doing!!! :(

A hundred to a couple of hundred big ones?!

Somebody, get some sense knocked into this kid's head quick! :mad:

efren reyes has already been inducted to the hall of fame of billiards' great since last year.

Im pretty sure Pacquiao needs to go train in a week at the latest. it will almost be 2 months till fight day which will mean that his total preparation will be less than 2 months if he starts after the holidays. He needs to get going and unfortunately have a quick Holiday with his family and thats it, no parties.

Im pretty sure Pacquiao needs to go train in a week at the latest. it will almost be 2 months till fight day which will mean that his total preparation will be less than 2 months if he starts after the holidays. He needs to get going and unfortunately have a quick Holiday with his family and thats it, no parties.


no partise is ok for me if I were him. He stands to earn at P50Million in his fight against JMM ! He can party after the fight :D

efren reyes has already been inducted to the hall of fame of billiards' great since last year.Last year, yet? Didn't know that, pal! Thanks for the info. He's really one of the greatest, ever, if not the greatest ever. :)

But he's acting like a pool shark with Manny...? :(

That's why somebody has to drag his ass to California after the Christmas break before he spends time again in the billiard halls :pNow, THAT has got me convinced.

But what do you say he and his family go up to Bagiuo? I visited Banaue (the rice terraces) once, and looking back, it could be a good place for Manny to do his roadwork and exercises for a couple of weeks while his family surrounds him.

And that place is pretty elevated! Don't know really how many feet above sea level, but, as I can remember t'was among the clouds! :)

Its just that if Manny comes over early, he can be pretty homesick and unable to focus on his training. The whole arrangement can be very counter-productive. ;)

Now, THAT has got me convinced.

But what do you say he and his family go up to Bagiuo? I visited Banaue (the rice terraces) once, and looking back, it could be a good place for Manny to do his roadwork and exercises for a couple of weeks while his family surrounds him.

And that place is pretty elevated! Don't know really how many feet above sea level, but, as I can remember t'was among the clouds! :)

Its just that if Manny comes over early, he can be pretty homesick and unable to focus on his training. The whole arrangement can be very counter-productive. ;)


Baguio is a good place to train. I agree. He should bring his family in the U.S. so he won't get homesick :cool:

Now, THAT has got me convinced.

But what do you say he and his family go up to Bagiuo? I visited Banaue (the rice terraces) once, and looking back, it could be a good place for Manny to do his roadwork and exercises for a couple of weeks while his family surrounds him.

And that place is pretty elevated! Don't know really how many feet above sea level, but, as I can remember t'was among the clouds! :)

Its just that if Manny comes over early, he can be pretty homesick and unable to focus on his training. The whole arrangement can be very counter-productive. ;)

Every fighter gets homesick. JMM might be training in Mexico but at 10000+ feet of altitude he isnt anywhere near home. Pacquiao needs to get away from his country all together.

ya altho his ko of 3k was impressive
it kinda wasnt at the same time
he missed alot of shots and even the ones that did land, not many were landen too clean
i chalk this up to just not taken 3k 2 serious
which is ok
i mean he obvioulsy didnt train as hard as he could have, no matter what he says
and it was still enough to take 3k out in 4
i do however feel it will be a completely different pac gettin in the ring for the rematch
atleast i hope so
i dont want there to be any excuses when jmm beats him
Again

:D

ya altho his ko of 3k was impressive
it kinda wasnt at the same time
he missed alot of shots and even the ones that did land, not many were landen too clean
i chalk this up to just not taken 3k 2 serious
which is ok
i mean he obvioulsy didnt train as hard as he could have, no matter what he says
and it was still enough to take 3k out in 4
i do however feel it will be a completely different pac gettin in the ring for the rematch
atleast i hope so
i dont want there to be any excuses when jmm beats him
Again

:D

again???...funny! :D last time i checked it was a draw!

ya altho his ko of 3k was impressive
it kinda wasnt at the same time
he missed alot of shots and even the ones that did land, not many were landen too clean
i chalk this up to just not taken 3k 2 serious
which is ok
i mean he obvioulsy didnt train as hard as he could have, no matter what he says
and it was still enough to take 3k out in 4
i do however feel it will be a completely different pac gettin in the ring for the rematch
atleast i hope so
i dont want there to be any excuses when jmm beats him
Again

:D


he won't have excuses because he will wear brand-new, high-quality socks :D lol

Overtraining the biggest myth in boxing today.
Im not saying train everyday of the year but Pac didnt even train for this guy if he had been in there with a top guy he would have got kod. Overtraining if anything these guys to train enuf today. There are exceptions Hopkins for example is never out of shape how do u think he is able to go on so long good genes is it no because he trains to perfection and never takes opponents lightly. Overtraining thats a funny one.

Overtraining the biggest myth in boxing today.
Im not saying train everyday of the year but Pac didnt even train for this guy if he had been in there with a top guy he would have got kod. Overtraining if anything these guys to train enuf today. There are exceptions Hopkins for example is never out of shape how do u think he is able to go on so long good genes is it no because he trains to perfection and never takes opponents lightly. Overtraining thats a funny one.OK. I guess you know better than Angelo Dundee who has stated often enough that he believes (at least believed at the time when he said those things he did about it). Dundee, that guy sure believes in funny things, doesn't he? ;) "Biggest myths" too!

Wonder how that old fella managed to transform myths to legends, like Ali, Leonard and even himself! ;)

Oh, boy!

And Dundee is not the only one. Papa Sarreal, who steered the carreer of Flash Elorde is another. Some others with track records... they all believe in that "biggest myth". I'm inclined to join them as I already have. Why join somebody else based on an anonymous post? :(

Every fighter gets homesick. JMM might be training in Mexico but at 10000+ feet of altitude he isnt anywhere near home. Pacquiao needs to get away from his country all together.

for now this is the advantage that i see JMM has, i think he started high altitude training since Nov, so at fight time he is well condition and can do 12 rounds easy, and if he manages to survive 12 rounds probability is his going to escape a win....


so the PAC has to train harder and be 100% in top physical condition, JMM will backpedal the whole night & Manny gas tank should be full, if he hopes to catch JMM...

so PAC bring you butt to FR's wild card gym by jan 1st, 2005....

Pacquiao is about to face the biggest challenge in his career. He should leave for the U.S. after Christmas or not later than Jan. 5! That is if he wants to beat JMM!

There's money in showbusiness or entertainment, and there's pleasure in playing pool and winning. But this is for fame and country plus he will earn big money here same with the sitcoms and the commercials that he's going to make! What do pacquiao still wants? To enjoy all of it? He can't do that. He can only choose one! If i were his close friend, i'll advise him and convince him to train the earliest time possible! And make all the filipinos proud and him the most successful boxer in the Philippines!

for now this is the advantage that i see JMM has, i think he started high altitude training since Nov, so at fight time he is well condition and can do 12 rounds easy, and if he manages to survive 12 rounds probability is his going to escape a win....


so the PAC has to train harder and be 100% in top physical condition, JMM will backpedal the whole night & Manny gas tank should be full, if he hopes to catch JMM...

so PAC bring you butt to FR's wild card gym by jan 1st, 2005....

i noticed that every one on this thread thinks that if jmm goes to the distance, that pac doesn't stand to win a decision...do you want to elaborate on that...not just you pareng joma...i know in their first fight jmm could have won at least 7 rounds, but round 1 carried pac through...i know jmm cleanly won rounds 3-6...but manny didn't have the balance after round 2...it seems to me that all you that completely shut your eyes ogn giving pac a chance to eke out a win on a ud win...what about kd's?... for every kd by pac, jmm has to work hard for the next two rounds to even a match...have you think about that?...however, i don't think that team pac will allow the judges scorecards to have a say oin this fight especially if another set of septuagenarian judges will be around...anyway, just asking...cheers! :)

Manny is not in peak condition yet but there's still time.

I know Manny will win impressively this time. I know Manny will train hard for this rematch.

latest word from manny is that he's gonna fly to the u.s. by the first week of january. he was asked if ain't it a little late, he said he's just going to watch over his diet! he said in tagalog "MALAKI ANG MAWAWALA SA AKIN PAG NAGPABAYA AKO" hmmm, well, let's just hope & pray he'd be 100% come february 26.

In an interview with GMA network last night he admitted that he was inded not at 100 % against 3K. and asked about Roach's request for him to leave for L.A. Dec 26 . . . he answered he is leaving first week of January.

DAMN . . . I'm starting to think that he has changed priorities. He can enjoy x'mass with his whole family then he got to let go with New year. That performance against Fashan simply shows that is stamina is below par. Imagine gasping for breath only in the 4 th round?

I'm sure staying up late nights is now taking it's toll on his body . . . and I'm sure there's gonna be a lot more of that this HOLIDAY season.

It's his decision but I guess he doesn't want to sacrifice that much for the most important fight of his career.

Manny PACQUIAO better wakes up he's loosing focus. Got to let go of all the distractions now while there is still time. I guess he would have to chose between a bleak christmass or a bleak career. :D

I'm afraid we're witnessing the repeat of his lackasaidical training preparations coming into the first Marquez fight. I remember he trained for a total of 3 months coming into the Barrera fight, 2 months of conditioning work in the PI and 1 month in the Wild Card Gym. What a big difference! Can the rematch be moved to a later date say March or April? I don't know, is it just me or the fact that JMM's style poses a much difficult fight for the PacMan compared to Barrera.

i noticed that every one on this thread thinks that if jmm goes to the distance, that pac doesn't stand to win a decision...do you want to elaborate on that...not just you pareng joma...i know in their first fight jmm could have won at least 7 rounds, but round 1 carried pac through...i know jmm cleanly won rounds 3-6...but manny didn't have the balance after round 2...it seems to me that all you that completely shut your eyes ogn giving pac a chance to eke out a win on a ud win...what about kd's?... for every kd by pac, jmm has to work hard for the next two rounds to even a match...have you think about that?...however, i don't think that team pac will allow the judges scorecards to have a say oin this fight especially if another set of septuagenarian judges will be around...anyway, just asking...cheers! :)

I am not speaking for the others Janno but for me every time Manny fights, i dont just expect him to win, I always expect for a KO ...

its not that i dont think PAC has no chance to win by decision but i am giving JMM the credit he deserves, i dont see JMM can KO Manny, but i can see him win on points...

I'm afraid we're witnessing the repeat of his lackasaidical training preparations coming into the first Marquez fight. I remember he trained for a total of 3 months coming into the Barrera fight, 2 months of conditioning work in the PI and 1 month in the Wild Card Gym. What a big difference! Can the rematch be moved to a later date say March or April? I don't know, is it just me or the fact that JMM's style poses a much difficult fight for the PacMan compared to Barrera.

its not only you my friend, i also think that JMM is much more difficult fight for the PAC...

i think its the style plus the size advantage...

Pacman can get ready, and when he does, it will be a good fight

I'm afraid we're witnessing the repeat of his lackasaidical training preparations coming into the first Marquez fight. I remember he trained for a total of 3 months coming into the Barrera fight, 2 months of conditioning work in the PI and 1 month in the Wild Card Gym. What a big difference! Can the rematch be moved to a later date say March or April? I don't know, is it just me or the fact that JMM's style poses a much difficult fight for the PacMan compared to Barrera.


Precisely . . . this only shows how his present stature/fame and his present wealth quickly change our guys attitude. He lost the intense desire to train for bigger fights. Absolutely NO FOCUS at all.

After that Juan Manuel Marquez showed fighting vs Orlando Salido, it is doubtly that he has many chances to get victory over Manny Pacquiao.
My forecast: Pacquiao by KO 3-6.
The fight Pacquiao vs Rafael Marquez will be more interesting.