View Full Version : tryin to figure out a good target weight


Scottie2Hottie
08-17-2005, 03:13 AM
im a new poster and an aspiring fighter trying to figure out a good weight class for me. im a little taller than 5'6'', and i weigh 180 lbs, down from 251 in april, so i definitely have it in me to get down to whatever weight would be good for me.
anyone who might be able help me, keep in mind that im of a very large frame....no exageration, im about a foot and a few inches thick from shoulder blade to rib cage, and have a big shoulder span.
i think i can get down to welterweight, 145 or so, and im trying to see if thats too low or too high. any input would be great.

Pugnacious_Z
08-17-2005, 03:42 AM
get to a weight where u have low fat

Pico Hollywood
08-17-2005, 05:39 AM
yeah get a to a weight where you are not going to be exhausted in 4 rounds and you can still pack a punch... How long have you been training for??

Scottie2Hottie
08-17-2005, 04:24 PM
i havent been trained, but i started in april shadowboxing with weights for a cardio workout that also helped my handspeed...my friend's dad, who was a kickboxing blackbelt, showed me how to throw a jab and a cross...ive got great speed and snap on both, but i dont think im near ready for a real match.

ive got a lot going for me though, i think, ive got big legs and good endurance when running. when i shadowbox, i use three pound plastic weights and do 20 jabs, then 20 right crosses, then 20 1-2 combos with both for about an hour and a half 3 or 4 times a week. i go to a regular gym, btw, not a boxing club.

Inf3rn0
08-17-2005, 05:07 PM
[QUOTE=saq26]i havent been trained, but i started in april shadowboxing with weights for a cardio workout that also helped my handspeed...my friend's dad, who was a kickboxing blackbelt, showed me how to throw a jab and a cross...ive got great speed and snap on both, but i dont think im near ready for a real match.

my match you mean fight?
if so you wont be ready for quite a while yet, firstly youd need to join a club,obvisously, then you be a few months at least at the club before you will be ready for fights.in these months youll need to learn the punches, technique, balance and need to spar alot.
answering Q.
all people can do is advise what weight devision you shoud go in but you have to feel comfortable in that weight devision and if you gain quite abit of muscle you will can weight un less you loose they same amount of fat, which may be hard if you go into the lowest weight devision you can, you say welter for instance.
and will you be ok in this weight, you say you have a big frame, then going into a lower devision then the people in that devision maybe more agile and tires less easily, have faster hands (maybe) and be used to the weight there in, where as if you either aim for a devision thats either too low or too high etc, then you wont be used to it and will have to adapt quickly or your get beat . :D

Inf3rn0
08-17-2005, 05:12 PM
so ur 180lbs, thats...cruiserweight..i beleive.
so i would think you could get down to bout,super middleweight, middleweight.

Scottie2Hottie
08-17-2005, 05:26 PM
if there's anything ive learned from the diet im on, its patience. if a trainer told me he wanted to work with me for 6 months before putting me in the ring, id definitely be up for it.
people i know, including my doctor, say they cant see me weighing a pound under 160. however, they arent considering the fact that im aiming for very low percent body fat...i think i at 5 percent or so body fat, i could be 140.
i thought maybe my thick body would offer good protection in a lighter punching weight class like welterweight, but i can see how that would make me a walking target for those fast smaller guys.
but hey, thats why i asked in the first place, i need the input. what do the rest of you think? short but thick better suited to welterweight or middleweight?

Inf3rn0
08-17-2005, 05:51 PM
if there's anything ive learned from the diet im on, its patience. if a trainer told me he wanted to work with me for 6 months before putting me in the ring, id definitely be up for it.
people i know, including my doctor, say they cant see me weighing a pound under 160. however, they arent considering the fact that im aiming for very low percent body fat...i think i at 5 percent or so body fat, i could be 140.
i thought maybe my thick body would offer good protection in a lighter punching weight class like welterweight, but i can see how that would make me a walking target for those fast smaller guys.
but hey, thats why i asked in the first place, i need the input. what do the rest of you think? short but thick better suited to welterweight or middleweight?

personally i think your better suited for middleweight.

people of larger body structures will natureally punch slower and even if you have alot of training to increase your speed dont forget that the other opponents in you weight will be training awelll so the more you train on handspeed so will they prolly, so you only asset is power, but you will have to be as agile as them and its ok saying yea ok (not saying you do)i can skip of run or wateva for 16 minutes (or whateva you may do to increase you stamina-endurance) but when you get into a ring and start sparring or fighting then you tense up and it takes a hell of a lot more out off you, but you will experience that sparring (as i did) and being a large build then you may find it harder than say if oyu were in middleweight then you would be fighting people of simular builds.

And even if you get down to 140, firstly you need to keep a strict diet to maintain that weight, which i assume you know as you have lost a lot of weight in the past, but tht 140 is 20 pounds lighter than what you doctor thinks that you will be so thats 20pounds of fat/fluid less, so when you start training and gain muscle you will struggle to looseeven more fat and maintain your weight, no matter how lean you may get you may struggle to keep that weight.

correst me if im wrong.

Scottie2Hottie
08-17-2005, 06:18 PM
yeah, i figure that any time youre trying to maintain a very lean physique you need to be training and dieting.
i leaning towards what you say, however...even if im better protected against little guys by my thick hide, that doesnt mean ill win matches...that sort of natural defense is better against the knockout punchers you see in higher weight classes, as opposed to quick guys who can out point me even if they arent putting me on my back.
id love to spar, but freshman at my college cant have cars, so making the commute to boxing gyms in the area. im going to unh in durham, nh, where by car i could easily commute to lowell or manchester, but couldnt do much on foot.

Inf3rn0
08-17-2005, 07:57 PM
you get knockout punchers in any division not just higher divisions, look at naseem hamed for example he was in bantum- featherweight and he got alot of ko's and tko, and even broke someones nose in three places.

btw, do you have any boxing equipment or anything you could train with, by this i mean heavybag double end bag etc.? if not they are good for training at home or when you are not training at home. and do you have a routine or what exercieses do you do other than pnching woth weights and you cardio work?

Tony Blitz
08-17-2005, 09:38 PM
ive got a lot going for me though, i think, ive got big legs and good endurance when running.
that's one advantage by being big then cutting down a bunch of weight. Just picture let's say an average 150 pound guy walking with that kind of weight on his legs all day for years, you develop so much muscle. You gain that muscle naturally to support your weight, then you lose the weight and bam you got some big ass powerful legs.

Scottie2Hottie
08-18-2005, 01:22 AM
well for cardio i run on the treadmill, the elliptical trainer, and jump rope. for weight lifting, i have a chest day, where i do bench press, pec flys, and tricep pulldowns, a bicep day where i curl the e=z bar till my arms fall off, a back day where i do seated rows, lat pulldowns, and one other thing whos name i cant think of where you kneel on the bench and pull up a dumbell...also a leg day where i do leg press and deadlifts (havent gotten quite comfortable with squats yet). i dont have a heavy bag, all i have is a pair of gloves and a pair of target mitts (brand new) that i have my brother put on and let me hit.

i pretty much go to the gym everyday and do SOMETHING. its hard to gain muscle when youre on a harsh diet, but ive built and toned up my arms and chest....having a strong back and pair of legs came with years of hauling around a fat ass.

myke_test1
08-18-2005, 05:34 AM
yeah Saq26 man i know what your going through i'm 5'10 and weight 194pounds down from 280pounds since last year when i started training and i'm trying to find a good weight for me to box at i wanna go down to LightHeavyweight but i always wanna go down to Middleweight ya know do the James Toney thing.......when i was 280 pounds all i wanted to do was be a cruiserweight but now that i'm there i wanna go down more my handspeed/power has increased and i don't get tired sparring 8 rounds anymore but my best bet with my height is to get to LightHeavyweight or Super Middleweight

Keep up witht he work man i understand what your going through

phook
09-09-2005, 01:47 AM
is this a good taget weight 5'4 57kg (featherweight)

Pugnacious_Z
09-09-2005, 02:05 AM
man, target weight is wateva u want, not 2 low ofcoarse, pick a weight u think ull be good in and u like and dats it really, u cud be 5ft 4 and a middleweight and be a swarmer, get me