Vitaliy was able to KD Danny in round 1.

Mike (with then good knee) could not do the same.

I think Vitaliy is a better or as good a puncher as Mike is.


What do you think?

no point comparing. in his day tyson was one of the hardest hitting. vitali hits very hard too, 33/34 wins ko.

well, vitali is the better fighter (by far) right now, but is not as strong of a puncher

I think Tyson is a stronger puncher.

mike's power does strike fear in the hearts of his victims..
they have nightmares about it.

like they wince up and flinch before the punch is half way delivered.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen vitali throw his hardest punch.
mike seems to throw his hardest punches 60% of the time..

hard to judge, but mike will always be known for his power,
VK for his awkward style and chin?

Pno

Nautilus that's a stupid argument.

Vitali KO'd Williams in 8
Sinam Sam KO'd Williams in 6

So Sinal Sam hits harder then Vitali and Tyson . . . .(?)

Nautilus that's a stupid argument.

Vitali KO'd Williams in 8
Sinam Sam KO'd Williams in 6

So Sinal Sam hits harder then Vitali and Tyson . . . .(?)


Not a stupid argument.... I am sure if Sinam-Danny was a Championship bout, Danny would not have stayed down and got up.


Both Mike and Vitaliy tried to take out Danny in round 1, neither suceeded, but Vitaliy managed to score a KD.

Sinam WAS a championship bout... it was for the European title which was a significant step up for Danny, though one he was expected to win handily. But nerves and shingles got the better of him that night... I don't regard that as a "legitimate" loss. Danny would beat Sinam 9 times out of 10. Unluckily for him, he met Sam on the one time.


As for the hitting, did you guys not see Larry Merchant's interview? Danny explicitly said that Tyson hits harder, but Klitschko does so with more consistency.

Sinam WAS a championship bout... it was for the European title which was a significant step up for Danny, though one he was expected to win handily. But nerves and shingles got the better of him that night... I don't regard that as a "legitimate" loss. Danny would beat Sinam 9 times out of 10. Unluckily for him, he met Sam on the one time.


As for the hitting, did you guys not see Larry Merchant's interview? Danny explicitly said that Tyson hits harder, but Klitschko does so with more consistency.


That statement was just a lil bravada (?) on Danny's part (implying that he took much harder shots from Tyson in round 1 and did not go down).

I think first rounds of each fight offered a very pure way to judge the power of punches. I do not think "consistency" was so important for round 1.

That statement was just bravery on Danny's part (implying that he took much harder shots from Tyson in round 1 and did not go down).


That's a bit far-fetched for me. If Danny says Tyson hits harder than Vitali, that's enough for me. I don't see why he would lie -bravery? i dont get that, he was brave taking that beating!

I also think Vitali caught Danny with cleaner shots than Mike, and against Tyson when Danny was dazed he just grabbed on to tyson - something he couldn't get near to doing against VK. And Tyson's power possibly wasn't what it was 15 yrs ago.

How would it have been brave of Danny to say "Nah, Klitschko hits like a ***** compared to Tyson... he wasn't hitting me hard, I was just going down like a *****"????

God, that's some rapier-like logic you have there, Nautilus.

No, what YOU said was garbage. Never should have STARTED talking.

i think if i were beaten up and i had also won a fight, I'd prolly save face and say that they guy i beat was more powerful... after all he still has some sort of claim in saying he beat one of the most powerful boxers of all time :)

Vitali is much stronger and has heavier hands but Tyson is quicker and more explosive. Honestly, Vitali was hurting Danny with arm punches, they weren't even well thrown shots. If he had the total body coordination and mechanics of Mike Tyson, with his strength, he would have KO'ed him in the first round.

Mike Tyson.

I don't think Danny's comments were meant as a detraction, more earnest observation.

However, you're right about Vitali only using his arms to hit. Though his accuracy was incredible. (Though with Danny's departed mobility he couldn't miss him, could he?)

vitali throws a lot of punches in his fights, new era tyson doesnt throw combinations. vitalis shots wear and tear the body down, tyson is more explosive

Danny William mentioned that Tyson hit harder than Klit in the post fight interview.

I think tyson could make you think he hits harder than a mack truck just by the persona and the surrounding scream of fans that just wanna see someone get starched!!

Tyson hits harder, but that is about all he could do and that's why he hasn't been **** since he got out of prison. All fighters have to do is figure out a way to immobilize his power and then they wear Tyson down. VK has a very awkward style and uses his power in unpredictable bursts and long stiff jabs setting it all up. Tyson may be more powerful but VK would kick his ass in a boxing match.

tyson has better one punch power while vitali has better power with combations

hence the subject of the thread :)

plus, tyson has had a video game named after him :)

Looks like it's a complete shutout in favor of Tyson on this one, I am glad to see everyone in agreement ---- it's a first!!
:cool:

Vitaliy was able to KD Danny in round 1.

Mike (with then good knee) could not do the same.

I think Vitaliy is a better or as good a puncher as Mike is.


What do you think?

Ummm...Danny just fought both in the last 4 months and in the post-fight interview he said Mike.

wouldn't you?

Why don't the person who made this thread take a shot from each and after they wake up from their coma tell us the answer...

Who hits harder is unjudgable if you ask me..

Why don't the person who made this thread take a shot from each and after they wake up from their coma tell us the answer...
..


what a lame ass comment

Tyson without question

especially if your talking about Prime Tyson

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
we should get them to go with us to the arcade to the punching power machine....

Not a stupid argument.... I am sure if Sinam-Danny was a Championship bout, Danny would not have stayed down and got up.


Both Mike and Vitaliy tried to take out Danny in round 1, neither suceeded, but Vitaliy managed to score a KD.

One cannot accurately measure the power or the ability of two fighters by comparing their results against the same opponent. There's been many instances where a lesser fighter/puncher has knocked out or knocked down an opponent quicker than a better fighter, who fought the same opponent, has. The Sinam example is one of them.

what a lame ass comment

Duhhhhhhhh...of course it's lame, especially since you made the thread..

It IS a stupid argument. One cannot accurately measure the power or the ability of two fighters by comparing their results against the same opponent. There's been many instances where a lesser fighter/puncher has knocked out or knocked down an opponent quicker than a better fighter, who fought the same opponent, has. The Sinam example is one of them.

If Tyson were to have not injured his knee and gone on to knock out Williams in round 2 or 3, then what would your argument be?



I wanted to initiate a fun discussion, and all of you came in with insulting and derogatory comments.

How do you measure punch power?

There is not an objective measure obviously, but we could try to do our best using subjective arguments (without mutual insults).

So stop your insults.

Duhhhhhhhh...of course it's lame, especially since you made the thread..

then butt off from my lame thread :p

Perhaps Tyson, but Vitali isn't far behind.

I wanted to initiate a fun discussion, and all of you came in with insulting and derogatory comments.

How do you measure punch power?

There is not an objective measure obviously, but we could try to do our best using subjective arguments (without mutual insults).

So stop your insults.

Sorry about being insulting. I edited my post, but it turns out that you replied before the edit was complete. I respectfully disagree with you, but am sorry for coming across as insulting. And thanks for the good karma.
:)

then butt off from my lame thread :p

I never said the thread was lame I was saying you think my comment is lame because it was referring to you (you made the thread..) :D

What, are you trying to shut me up?

whateverNo, you were the one getting all pissy. All I'm saying is, if you're going to express an opinion, at least have the decency to wipe your ass before you speak out of it.

what's happening here, an argument?

anyway, the only way to find out is they'd fight eachother.

Why don't the person who made this thread take a shot from each and after they wake up from their coma tell us the answer...

Who hits harder is unjudgable if you ask me..
:) Jack's da man!!

:) Jack's da man!!


once you go black you never go back.

at least thats what I hear

Amazingly witty comeback from you there, Nautilus, how do you do it?

What gets me is when people come on here and post some absolutely moronic opinion and then get worked up when people don't agree.

Why don't YOU just .......

And stop posting tripe - talk sense, man!

Tyson punchs harder without a doubt, Klitschko punchs are strong though.

tyson obviously is the harder puncher

I don't think there is really a reason to debate who has the most power, both of them fought very small heavyweights in the beginning of their careers, and had similar results. Tyson was an extremely hard puncher in his prime, and still is, but his knockouts were just as much the result of his speed and accuracy, as his strength. Against tall fighters with a defense, he always had problems landing punches, and he hit Berbick with a ton of punches before he ever went down. VK's strength allows him to hook an opponent on the ear, behind his guard, and physically move him, and that's against larger fighters like Sanders and Lewis. If VK punched with anything besides his arms, he'd be the harder puncher without a doubt, as it stands, I think their fairly even, Tyson limited to his short punching range and lack of overall size, and VK limited to his lack of fluidness and mechanical movement.

That's a bit far-fetched for me. If Danny says Tyson hits harder than Vitali, that's enough for me. I don't see why he would lie -bravery? i dont get that, he was brave taking that beating!

I also think Vitali caught Danny with cleaner shots than Mike, and against Tyson when Danny was dazed he just grabbed on to tyson - something he couldn't get near to doing against VK. And Tyson's power possibly wasn't what it was 15 yrs ago.

I dont know why D.Williams could say that tyson hits harder when he was knocked down 4 times by vitali and o times by mike? Maybe he just saying that so mike will give him a rematch?

see?
That's why you can't judge who can hit harder by watching their fights.
If I was in a boxing match and I punched as hard as I possibly could, I'd be out of energy by round 2.

So seriously speaking.. we need to get them to go to the arcade with us to the punching power machine... it's the ONLY way to find out :)

vitali is a hard puncer, but i think a prime tyson hit harder. i love when VK throws that right cross. i think that is his best punch, but tysons power was awesome when he was in his prime.

mike hits much harder than VK, only VK lands alot more clean shots, and throws many more. and don't forget the only reason Tyson didn't kd or ko danny in the 1st round is because thats the rd where he hurt his knee.

i wanna see mike just whoop on danny williams the wanna chump, danny's good but he has a big head, he thinks hes tuff for beating up a 38 old man with a hurt leg ???!!!??? lol

i guess if you consider the punches that Mike threw out of the ring, he would probably easily dominate this question..

Corrie Sanders and Lennox Lewis, both with average chins, were able to take bombs from Vitali without going down. I think Tyson hits much harder than Klit.

ddue there is no way. williams was on drunk legs in the ring in the first round, while the first kd was more of a flash than what yall make it to be

in the tyson fight than in the klit fight*

Danny himself said Mike hits harder but Vitali is more effective.

I'll take his word for it.

Vitali Klitschko hits much harder than Tyson,I don't believe any words from Williams.

you mean you didn't believe him when he said he was gonna knock out vitali klitschko?
:D

yea for real danny said tyson hits harder and i dont see no reason y he would lie

I feel that Vitali is truly the harder puncher. I am thinking and I feel Vitali is. I feel that Vitali does not hit his hardest in one punch. He is very smart and punches the right punches that are necessary to win always. Vitali wants to always win and not just destroy the opponent early.

Also, Vitali knocks people out better than anyone else today. He knocks them out almost every time. He has 35 wins, and 34 knock-outs, I think that is better than anyone else.

I like this topic very much. I am so happy it was created, it is a very good topic to discuss.

heres the post on williams' website (sorry if its already been posted in this thread)

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"Obviously I'm very disappointed that I didn't win the World Heavyweight Title but, God willing, I will earn another chance. I want to thank everyone who cheered for me in the Mandalay Bay Saturday night, especially the Brits who travelled so far, and want to thanks everyone who has written into the website to support me.

"Thank you. I wish I could have won the world title for you.

"Right now I am hurting physically and emotionally. My right eye is totally shut - it is very annoying and my wife keeps telling me not to touch it. My head and face - and my body - are sore and I'm looking forward to going away to Dubia or somewhere else hot for a nice holiday with Zoe and the girls.

"But I will be back - and I'll fight for another world title. I earned one chance by knocking out Mike Tyson, and I'll earn another. I'm not going out like this!

"I've never been caught like I was by Vitali Klitschko before. Vitali has unbelievable power in both hands. Mike Tyson hit me harder, but Klitschko was so consistent with his power I was shocked.

"I had a plan - to move and use my skills - but after the first round I couldn't use that plan. I was badly hurt by the first knockdown, my balance was all over the place, and I was cut and couldn't see well out of my right eye. From the first round on the plan was unusable because the knockdown took so much out of me. From then on I had to play with the cards I had - that's why I kept coming forward.

"I give Vitali great respect for a fantastic fight. He said it himself - it was the performance of his life. He's getting better and better and he proved a lot of people wrong - he most definitely didn't take me lightly. He was in great shape.

"I think that if I'd fought the Klitschko who fought Corrie Sanders in April I could have gotten to him late on but although he was getting tired and was breathing hard, his power never went away.

"I could have done better. My balance wasn't good because I kept taking a lot of shots - and so I just wanted to smash him with one left hook. Believe me, all the way through the fight I knew I could still win. I knew I could get to him right until the referee stopped it.

"I understand the referee's decision, but I would have continued. I would still be there fighting right now."

No, i think Tyson has better power but VK fights a lot better,
i cant remember seeing any on ounch knock downs from VK he has a lot of tko, still vit has a higher ko ratio than tyson,
im glad VK dident fight Tyson, Tyson would be beaten so bad.

I think people have a significant point here that Vitali doesn't use as much weight in his punches... so he could potentially hit harder than Mike. But in combat situation I have no reason to disbelieve Danny... he's not the lying type, and it's against his religion to deceive.

yup!!
that's why we need to get them to the arcade!!
play a couple rounds of Street Fighter II to warm up, then go to the punching power meter thingy...
it's the only way..
anyone know their phone numbers?

Tyson hits alot harder than VK. VK has a higher ko rating because of his level of competiton. Tyson had Williams crumbling in the 1st & he would've fell if Tyson had taken a step back instead of moving into him so he could bear-hug him.It was from a single upper-cut that Tyson had him hurt. VK is a cumulative ko puncher. He's got good power but not devastating power. Tyson could flat out stretch you with one punch if he landed & it didn't even have to be clean.

Tyson is a ball of pure energy and power. You know Tyson hits hard when you see grown men cry when they get hit. Remember the Golata incident. Or the the look on holmes face when he was getting pummled with those punches with nothing but bad intentions. PRICELESS

Tyson is by far the harder puncher. If they fought today however, VK would wipe the floor with Tyson. To compare there fights against Danny Boy doesn't hold water. Tyson wobbled Danny bad, but due to his lack of abilty at this point of his career he couldn't follow up. VK hit Danny with a million freaking shots.

I do think VK is the class of the division at this point..but he is not a huge puncher. He is big and strong and throws nice combinations...imo

I'd still like to see them (and other top hitters) punch on a power meter like at an arcade... or better yet like the one Ivan Drago had in Rocky IV...
:D

That $]-[iT would be TIGHT!!!

it could be a new reality TV type sports type show on FOX..

power has very little to do with size, it's about getting your body behind the shot, and timing, knowing which punch to land at the right time. tyson has (had)? both of these. ask anyone who has sparred with him and they'll tell you. also in his prime tyson's speed also is superior to klitchko's, and as we all know, the hardest shots are the ones you don't see coming.

well i did my best and i can punch 146 on the punching machines at the arcades... i'd like to see tyson go at it with a full run up.. i wonder if he can make it malfunction or max it out at 300...

I feel that Vitali is truly the harder puncher. I am thinking and I feel Vitali is. I feel that Vitali does not hit his hardest in one punch. He is very smart and punches the right punches that are necessary to win always. Vitali wants to always win and not just destroy the opponent early.

Also, Vitali knocks people out better than anyone else today. He knocks them out almost every time. He has 35 wins, and 34 knock-outs, I think that is better than anyone else.

I like this topic very much. I am so happy it was created, it is a very good topic to discuss.

I agree that it is Vitaly as well. The early Tyson was so raw that he was able to trow his hardest punches and could take better shots when he was out of position.

Vitaly can not take a shot as well, so he doesn't throw his hardest because of the possibility of taking a shot when he is out of position.

If they both hit one of those machines that measures power, I think that Vitaly would be slighly higher, but in the actual fights, Tyson hits harder, especially in the first couple of rounds.

Shot for shot....Tyson genertaes more power than Vitali...
But, Klit is a superior, smarter fighter at this point.
Tyson just throws & HOPES one of his bombs connects. Vitali has a purpose when he punches.
He has heavy hands....& knows he doesn't have to load up on his shots to do damage.
He'll just pick & bash you apart before you go.

About the nature of punches that had put Danny down:

1. In Round 1, VK did not lend a single punch clean, but he still KD Danny

2. In Round 3, VK lended a single left hook and KD Danny

3. In Round 7, a single right hook send Danny almost through the ropes

4. In Round 8, a nice 4 punch combo KD Danny. TKO

I agree in part with an earlier post. I don't think we can answer this question until VK's punches have been tested on guys of the calibre that Tyson ko'd in his prime. It's all well and good saying that he shook up Lewis but he's not the first guy to do that, even Bruno did it.

At this point I think Tyson was capable of landing harder shots due to his speed but can't say who has the hardest punch outright.

I agree in part with an earlier post. I don't think we can answer this question until VK's punches have been tested on guys of the calibre that Tyson ko'd in his prime. It's all well and good saying that he shook up Lewis but he's not the first guy to do that, even Bruno did it.

At this point I think Tyson was capable of landing harder shots due to his speed but can't say who has the hardest punch outright.

that's fair; at this point we can only go with subjective interpretations

I agree in part with an earlier post. I don't think we can answer this question until VK's punches have been tested on guys of the calibre that Tyson ko'd in his prime. It's all well and good saying that he shook up Lewis but he's not the first guy to do that, even Bruno did it.

At this point I think Tyson was capable of landing harder shots due to his speed but can't say who has the hardest punch outright.
Have you ever heard of a guy by the name of Trevor Berbick? That guy was the SAME calibre of fighter that Danny williams is. A prime Tyson KTFO'D Berbick in round 2.... ROUND 2.

... They were both 32-4 even.

Berbick was probably a better fighter than Williams but he didn't have as good a chin.

Iron Mike when he was young!!
Punching power is what an aging fighter keeps the most but well he's been quite shot for years now..
anyway Tyson was already his opponent before punching, just by his scaring hungry-angry look during the ref's instructions :D

well williams faced them both and catagorically said Tyson hits harder but is not as accurate. (anymore)
It was the accuracy of vitali's shots that destroyed him no the one punch power a culmulative effect if you will.

at the end of the day you can punch as hard as you like but if you hit fresh air that hurts less than a jab on the nose let alone a straight right cross! :eek: