Hello boxing fanatics. I'd just like to say That Pacman looked SHARP the other night, it really shows what boxing genius Freddie Roach can do for a fighter. What he did to 3k Battery was nothing short of devestating! What do you think his chances are against Juan Manuel Marquez. Cast your votes express your opinions :)

Manny will use his new arsenals. Pac by ko in the mid rounds.

jmm would be the harder test for the pac and if jmm manages to stay up for 12 rounds jmm may win by decision, but i am not counting on that....

my honest prediction KO/TKO for the PAC and i am willing to bet all my points on it...

JMM on points, that man is all courage and heart. The way he fought in the first fight was truely amazing, especially after the terrible first round for him. That round alone would have finished many fighters mentally and physically. I think he has enough to beat the Pacman on points. Marquez fights better under pressure, especially with come forward fighters. He is pretty good at counter punching too that seemed to give Manny problems. Manny is a good fighter and very dangerous but know JMM knows what to expect i think he will beat him. Saying that if Manny has brushed up on his general boxing skills then he is in with a very good chance because with JMM you have to be prepared to go the distance.

JMM by UD...

Pac by 7 round KO. JMM would have to face a two fisted Pacquaio and he won't be able to stand. There's still that power and speed disparity between the two. Judging from Pac's last fight against Fashan, Manny is putting together the tools to beat a counterpunching JMM. If JMM ducks that left straight, he'll eat a deadly uppercut. Eitehr one will land, JMM will go down.

Pac by 7 round KO. JMM would have to face a two fisted Pacquaio and he won't be able to stand. There's still that power and speed disparity between the two. Judging from Pac's last fight against Fashan, Manny is putting together the tools to beat a counterpunching JMM. If JMM ducks that left straight, he'll eat a deadly uppercut. Eitehr one will land, JMM will go down.





You hit the nail right on the head, athough I think Pacman wil KO or TKO him in round 9. Pacman has some new tools from Freddie Roach and he has added it in very well to his arsenal. Anyone standing in Pacman's way be damned, he will unleash a nuclear assault on your ass. :)

Pac by 7 round KO. JMM would have to face a two fisted Pacquaio and he won't be able to stand. There's still that power and speed disparity between the two. Judging from Pac's last fight against Fashan, Manny is putting together the tools to beat a counterpunching JMM. If JMM ducks that left straight, he'll eat a deadly uppercut. Eitehr one will land, JMM will go down.

This is what Freddie Roach has to say about their preparation for the Marquez fight...

“We’ve been working on that punch since we fought Juan Manuel Marquez. But during the last three weeks with him, I was able to make the punch shorter and connect harder. And you saw what it did,” said American trainer Freddie Roach of the Filipino’s new weapon.

“Manny’s right hook is as strong as his left straight. It just needs a little training. In his last fights, he has been relying mostly on his left, especially when we faced Marquez,” he added. “Now he has something new when we face the Mexican again.”
“We will work on his footwork next and some other things when he gets back to the US. I’m glad I was able to come, I think he’s about 80 percent fit since I came to train him,” Roach added.

“It took me only three days for him to get back where I wanted him to be. He respects me that much. It also a good foundation to work on since Marquez has already been training hard,” said Roach, who leaves on Monday.

He disclosed that he has advanced the departure of Pacquiao, who was originally set to leave on January 10, to the first week of January.

Before calling it a night, he described Manny as a “thoroughbred.” “I think we’ve seen all that Marquez could do in his last fight while I believe that Manny can offer more.”

It's the Roach factor that has been the difference in Manny's ring exploits. Manny is a natural fighter with an excellent trainer. Add to that...Manny is a fast learner and executes well.

And that spells trouble for JMM....

This is what I've been saying long time ago...JMM is a durable fighter and has a heart of a warrior...but we've seen his best against Manny last May and still came short. He's an excellent ring technician, no doubt about that. But he has reached the peak of his prowess and boxing abilities. while Manny is still on the rise, learning patiently from his mentor's teachings. Beristain understands that there is no way Marquez can equal Manny's stamina and physical conditioning that's why they have to start early and train in high altitude. The bad news is Manny is an animal too when he starts training. He knows the competitive nature of his trade. He won't let JMM and his camp deminish his advantage in that category. He understands that boxing immortality is just around the corner. He knows that beating JMM and Erik morales will cement his legacy as one of the best featherweight of all time and the best boxer that Asia has ever produced. And that makes him always hungry, focused, determined, and always ready to give his best.

Pacman on February 26 will KO Marquez in 10th!

I think Marquez will be more careful with Pac then he was in the first round of the first fight. This is a new fight and both should approach the rematch thinking this. It will be another great fight but I like Marquez counterpunching in a close decision.

I have to go with JMM by UD in this one. I don't think he was prepared in the first fight for the power that Manyy has, but he adjusted fast and fought a brilliant fight the rest of the way to come out with a draw that was actually fair.

As for Roach's comments, all respect to the man, he's a great trainer, but you know that Manny is wondering how the **** JMM managed to get up and fight him like that after being down three times, so there has got to be a little bit of lack of confidence going on there. That's the only way I can explain the now-infamous "socks" excuse. Freddie has to say what he can to make Manny think he now has the tools.

As long as Manny stays hungry, there should be no stoping him. For JMM, 3 months of training won't give you a better chin. As for Manny, The kid listens and is a hardworker. Sky's the limit.

As long as Manny stays hungry, there should be no stoping him. For JMM, 3 months of training won't give you a better chin. As for Manny, The kid listens and is a hardworker. Sky's the limit.

Yeah but Pac can't go in thinking knockout. He has to fight his fight and if the knockout comes take it but he can't rely on his power too much. Marquez was able to take Pac's punches well after the first round he was just caught cold in that round. I also think Marquez is just as hungry as Pac plus he's just as hard a worker as Pac is. He also did everything his corner told him to do as well. So I think everything you said about Pac can be said about Marquez as well.

I would have to say paman by ko the last punch on 3k was so quick I had to rewind it and paly it again.

3k is no jmm look at 3k's record he hasnt faceed any top competition.

jmm by decision. he is very under rated and is a very skilled boxer

3k is no jmm look at 3k's record he hasnt faceed any top competition.

salido is no pac look at salido's record he hasnt faceed any top competition. :D

For JMM, 3 months of training won't give you a better chin.
The man got up after being knocked down 3 times in the first round to fight back to a draw. How, exactly, can you question his chin?

The man got up after being knocked down 3 times in the first round to fight back to a draw. How, exactly, can you question his chin?

the fact that he went down three-times is enough to say that his chin is no granite and thus a suspect for a hard-hitting foe like pac, luckily there was no time left after the 3rd KD in the first to finish him off.

jmm has a good defense that's why he wasn't kd'd that much in his previous fights until pac. it was pac who exposed his chin and made it a suspect.

pacman By Knockout!!

pacman got the power to get him out early, but he needs to mix it up.

Another draw i see marquez getting dropped but winning most of the rounds and ending up a draw again.

I'll go with Pacquiao by early to mid round knockout. I expect it to be entertaining again, but I look for Pac to close the deal this time around.

the fact that he went down three-times is enough to say that his chin is no granite and thus a suspect for a hard-hitting foe like pac, luckily there was no time left after the 3rd KD in the first to finish him off.

jmm has a good defense that's why he wasn't kd'd that much in his previous fights until pac. it was pac who exposed his chin and made it a suspect.
He was never hurt at all in any of the 3 KD's, so I have to disagree with you. If he was hurt and there to be finished, then Pac really needs to get out of boxing because the guy came back and creamed him for the rest of the fight.
I think that it was Manny, not Marquez, who got exposed in that fight.

jmm would be the harder test for the pac and if jmm manages to stay up for 12 rounds jmm may win by decision, but i am not counting on that....

my honest prediction KO/TKO for the PAC and i am willing to bet all my points on it...

I think youre totally right about that. Since JMM handled Mannys power just fine the first time I dont see him having any problem outpointing him again the second time around. The only difference I expect to see is fewer knockdowns...JMM knows what to look out for and what to expect. I definately go with Marquez by decision ;)

JMM's got the style which looks like the best antidote to Pac's, if he could manage to stay away from harm's way & perform the same fight as the 1st, he could win by a close decision. However, I see Pac swarming JMM with a two-fisted attack a la Pac-MAB not the 1-2 (pawing jab-straigh left) with a good pair of socks;) this time, if this happens, he'll eventually tag JMM with one of his power punches.

I reckon JMM wins by close decision or Pac by brutal TKO.

He was never hurt at all in any of the 3 KD's, so I have to disagree with you. If he was hurt and there to be finished, then Pac really needs to get out of boxing because the guy came back and creamed him for the rest of the fight.
I think that it was Manny, not Marquez, who got exposed in that fight.

I'm with you vb, JMM also exposed Pac's weaknesses and made him looked like a one-dimensional fighter IN THIS FIGHT, although I think it is an understatement to call Pac that. I've seen most of his fights and I'm pretty sure he isn't, just look at his performance against MAB.

But I've to disagree with you when you said that Pac didn't hurt Pac. For one thing, he would't touch his nose repeatedly if it was not bothering him and by just looking at the man in the first two rounds, he was badly hurt. But I was amazed by his staying power and courage to take the fight to Pac especially in the middle rounds.

I would not say that JMM won the rest of the rounds after the first either. He clearly won rounds 3-7, 8 was close but Pac came back in rounds 9, 10 and 12. I also gave Pac round 2. Even if I gave round 8 to JMM, Pac still eked out a 113-112 score to win on my scorecard. It was a close fight though and should warrant a rematch. You probably saw it the otherway, but only a rematch can settle the score...and you know by now where I stand.

Cheers...

JMM's got the style which looks like the best antidote to Pac's, if he could manage to stay away from harm's way & perform the same fight as the 1st, he could win by a close decision. However, I see Pac swarming JMM with a two-fisted attack a la Pac-MAB not the 1-2 (pawing jab-straigh left) with a good pair of socks;) this time, if this happens, he'll eventually tag JMM with one of his power punches.

I reckon JMM wins by close decision or Pac by brutal TKO.

If Pac comes unprepared and do the same thing like what he did on Mayo ocho sans round1 and 2 then JMM wins the rematch. But what is the likelyhood that it's going to happen, if I may ask my good friend?

If Pac comes unprepared and do the same thing like what he did on Mayo ocho sans round1 and 2 then JMM wins the rematch. But what is the likelyhood that it's going to happen, if I may ask my good friend?


If he doesn't get out of the PI ASAP by the 1st week of January my friend. Those hungry vultures will surely hound him again for commercial endorsements, movies, reality TV shows, billiards and all those distractions. :)

If he doesn't get out of the PI ASAP by the 1st week of January my friend. Those hungry vultures will surely hound him again for commercial endorsements, movies, billiards and all those distractions. :)


Roach gave him just a one week vacation. Then its time to train for JMM. I agree with you on the endorsements. A lot of companies are running after him due to his increasing popularity. Best if Roach brings him to LA with him after the holidays.

Hello boxing fanatics. I'd just like to say That Pacman looked SHARP the other night, it really shows what boxing genius Freddie Roach can do for a fighter. What he did to 3k Battery was nothing short of devestating! What do you think his chances are against Juan Manuel Marquez. Cast your votes express your opinions :)

I'm betting all the pts I will have on Feb. on a KO by Pacman. He knows better now.

If pac fights JMM like he fought Fahsan (leaving himself very open for the right hand counter)

I say JMM by KO.

If pac fights JMM like he fought Fahsan (leaving himself very open for the right hand counter)

I say JMM by KO.

i doubt that manny will do that against jmm though...pac prolly did that because he knew there was no way fahsan could counter him.

i doubt that manny will do that against jmm though...pac prolly did that because he knew there was no way fahsan could counter him.
yeah you are probably right.

If pac fights JMM like he fought Fahsan (leaving himself very open for the right hand counter)

I say JMM by KO.
3kbattery was like a sparring match. I really honestly think JMM wins a UD.

3kbattery was like a sparring match. I really honestly think JMM wins a UD.

on what bases...care to elaborate?

Yeah but Pac can't go in thinking knockout. He has to fight his fight and if the knockout comes take it but he can't rely on his power too much. Marquez was able to take Pac's punches well after the first round he was just caught cold in that round. I also think Marquez is just as hungry as Pac plus he's just as hard a worker as Pac is. He also did everything his corner told him to do as well. So I think everything you said about Pac can be said about Marquez as well.

I don't know how your chin would suddenly "improve" during a match when your getting hit with the same exact punch. I'll give the benefit of the doubt that Manny did in fact hurt his left hand.

3k is no jmm look at 3k's record he hasnt faceed any top competition.

It was a TUNE UP. Your post states the obvious.

The man got up after being knocked down 3 times in the first round to fight back to a draw. How, exactly, can you question his chin?

You said it yourself, he went down 3 times. I was merely implying that with Pacquiao working hard on his right, JMM 3 months of training which has already started would probably not help him much if those sledghammers connect.

I don't know how your chin would suddenly "improve" during a match when your getting hit with the same exact punch. I'll give the benefit of the doubt that Manny did in fact hurt his left hand.

i also do, not that i'm a pac fan. for one thing i saw his hand and the blister on tv. there's no way team pac could have faked those.

i also do, not that i'm a pac fan. for one thing i saw his hand and the blister on tv. there's no way team pac could have faked those.

The blood on JMM's nose kept pouring down because PAc repeatedly connected. He was getting hit flush on the face but didn't go down like in the first. Impossible his chin got better. I say Pac's left was just injured and he couldn't put as much power on it as in the first.

3kbattery was like a sparring match. I really honestly think JMM wins a UD.


Save up your points kb. Many will win or lose millions on Feb :cool:

JMM did get warmer though.

duuuuuuuuude pacman by ko if you ask me

hey guys, we've been talking about pacman for now...any news on jmm. is he on top of toluca by now plowing out those snow with nacho? just kidding...any info will be appreciated.

Pacman KO rd.6

hey guys, we've been talking about pacman for now...any news on jmm. is he on top of toluca by now plowing out those snow with nacho? just kidding...any info will be appreciated.
hey!!!! Bro. here's the link..

http://www.juanmanuelmarquez.com

What are the Felipes gonna say next, after JMM takes care of bisness again...??? This time Marquez is gonna dominate the piggy bank slot eyes into summision!! :D
Is nott gonna be the socks... This time around is gonna be his underwear that was all up in his @ss!! :o :D

What are the Felipes gonna say next, after JMM takes care of bisness again...??? This time Marquez is gonna dominate the piggy bank slot eyes into summision!! :D
Is nott gonna be the socks... This time around is gonna be his underwear that was all up in his @ss!! :o :D

nope...it's that he's got a tip from his insider friend. :D

hey!!!! Bro. here's the link..

http://www.juanmanuelmarquez.com

thanks nadz, went there...no recent news on him...

PacMan by KO. Either that or he gets KO'ed. :D

The blood on JMM's nose kept pouring down because PAc repeatedly connected. He was getting hit flush on the face but didn't go down like in the first. Impossible his chin got better. I say Pac's left was just injured and he couldn't put as much power on it as in the first.Not to forget, buddy, the golf ball sized lump on the left side of JMM's forehead as well as the welt under his right eye, in addition to the bloody nose.

These are pieces of evidence that JMM got hit with really big ones other than those that KDd him in the first round. :) And if he can be hit, he can be hit.

Much has been made about how JMM landed many on Pac; not much has been made of the fact that none of those that JMM landed got Pac in any serious trouble.

It can never be said however that Pac, cannot hurt JMM. Three KDs in a single round? The FIRST ROUND, when JMM was FRESH? And all those facial damage mentioned above? :rolleyes:

PacMan by KO. Either that or he gets KO'ed. :D
... very ... interesting :rolleyes:

It can never be said however that Pac, cannot hurt JMM. Three KDs in a single round? The FIRST ROUND, when JMM was FRESH? And all those facial damage mentioned above? :rolleyes:
and still pac couldn't put him away. I don't buy the hand, I don't buy the socks. JMM just wasn't prepared in the first round, but adjusted quite well. I think Pac definitely carries more power, but JMM has better skills. They offset each other in a way that's fun to watch :)

I don't have a vested interest in either fighter. I think they are both top-flight fighters and I think that if Pac makes the adjustments he couldn't in the first fight, he may well win. I still have my money on JMM, though.

Regardless of who wins, you know this will be a great fight. The first one would get my vote for fight of the year. It had everything you could want out of a fight. Knockdowns, 2 of the best fighters in the world, non-stop action, a stunning come from behind performance. What more could you ever want out of a fight?

I really like Pacman as a fighter. He is a fight fans dream because he brings his best every fight and will go toe to toe without blinking an eye if thats what it takes to win. With that being said Marquez will be prepaired to have a better game plan and will be better focused for this fight. He will be stunned in this fight and maybe knocked down but I can't see the man being knocked out. Pac wins by UD and defeats an overly defensive Juan Manuel.

and still pac couldn't put him away. I don't buy the hand, I don't buy the socks. JMM just wasn't prepared in the first round, but adjusted quite well. I think Pac definitely carries more power, but JMM has better skills. They offset each other in a way that's fun to watch :)

I don't have a vested interest in either fighter. I think they are both top-flight fighters and I think that if Pac makes the adjustments he couldn't in the first fight, he may well win. I still have my money on JMM, though.

Regardless of who wins, you know this will be a great fight. The first one would get my vote for fight of the year. It had everything you could want out of a fight. Knockdowns, 2 of the best fighters in the world, non-stop action, a stunning come from behind performance. What more could you ever want out of a fight?JMM landed so much (he should have for anyone to say he has better skills, or else, how could he have better skills?) and yet HE did not put Pac away!

You know what they say, "What is sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander too!"

What is beyond arguement, is while Pac did not manage to put JMM away, he came pretty close to it; JMM never came to the vicinity of taking Pac out.

Granted that JMM was stunned by the first KD; he was ill-prepared. A flash knockdown, could that be? OK. But three flash KDs? Isn't that a stretch?

And, looking at the damage inflicted on both fighters, Pac had blisters and a sore hand to show for his efforts (and a small lump also on the left forehead), while JMM got a lump the size of a golf ball on HIs left forehead, a wrecked nose, a welt under his right eye, and three KDs to remember the fight by.

How does one measure fights? By what was NOT done?

I have always thought it was by what WAS done. ;) The damage that was wrought on JMM could not have come from anything other than punches landed by Pac... ;)

The question is begged, if JMM connected so much--as being bruited out much too frequently--why was there not as much damage left on the mark as there would have been had there been the number of punches landed that some remember? Could it be that memory is hazy about how much Marquez did really land? I saw the fight again less than 10 hours ago. From what I saw, I can go beyond guessing the answer to that. ;)

Compustats figures also do not warrant a claim that so much was really landed by JMM; i.e., as much as appears to be claimed by many.

Note: I don't have any vested interest on Pac either. He doesn't even know I exist!

I think youre totally right about that. Since JMM handled Mannys power just fine the first time I dont see him having any problem outpointing him again the second time around. The only difference I expect to see is fewer knockdowns...JMM knows what to look out for and what to expect. I definately go with Marquez by decision ;)


i think there's a lot of good opinion from both sides here, majority of the guys picking JMM to win, comes out with a decision victory, all of us PAC FANS don't see it going the distance...

i think at fight night, JMM will be extra careful same as his last fight with Salido, and PAC will go out same like he did with 3k using those new punches and combination that FR is training him to do, the right hand will be polished by February and it will do a lot of wonders for Manny in the fight ...

Tracy I dont necessary agree with you that there will be less KDs on the rematch, but i am inclined to believe there will be a lot more fireworks in store for us, unfinished business will be settled ....

Marquez is up in the high altitudes training for his life for this fight. Marquez will be ready to take a decision.

Marquez by decision. He is already training hard and seems to be very focused on this fight. I think Manny is looking to much at the future rather than focusing on the fight that is front of him. Also i think Marquez will no to be careful of Manny's big left this time and if he can go the distance then it will be quite an east decision for Marquez.

Marquez by decision. He is already training hard and seems to be very focused on this fight. I think Manny is looking to much at the future rather than focusing on the fight that is front of him. Also i think Marquez will no to be careful of Manny's big left this time and if he can go the distance then it will be quite an east decision for Marquez.

Easy decision...i dont think so, if pac doesn't ko jmm and it goes to the cards, it's gonna be a close decision whoever wins.

btw: jmm needs all the high-altitiude training he can get, the first time they fought, the guy had been on the mountain for 3 months and pac still showed more stamina.

Pacquaio late KO.

Pac unloaded the entire kitchen sink onto JMM the first round and JMM survived it, so with the 1st round rapeage that he recieved in mind, Marquez will be more cautios so i just can't see him getting knocked out. However, I pick Pac by UD. I just think there are exterior forces that come into play and with a Pac win, it sets up a gamut of possibilities and matchups for the division, so i just can't see Pac losing this fight. So Pac by UD in a fight that is very tight, with many swing rounds. I foresee controversy.

Marquez will have learned more form the last fight and come in better prepared. How he came back from them 3 knockdowns in the 1st round i will never know. Marquez UD

i think there's a lot of good opinion from both sides here, majority of the guys picking JMM to win, comes out with a decision victory, all of us PAC FANS don't see it going the distance...

i think at fight night, JMM will be extra careful same as his last fight with Salido, and PAC will go out same like he did with 3k using those new punches and combination that FR is training him to do, the right hand will be polished by February and it will do a lot of wonders for Manny in the fight ...

Tracy I dont necessary agree with you that there will be less KDs on the rematch, but i am inclined to believe there will be a lot more fireworks in store for us, unfinished business will be settled ....

Oh I know you dont agree with me on that..you've never made any secret of that. But you have always been very respectful of my opinion too, and I dont mind debating the issue with you at all! ;)

Oh I know you dont agree with me on that..you've never made any secret of that. But you have always been very respectful of my opinion too, and I dont mind debating the issue with you at all! ;)

i really think the debates are over, all parties are sticking to what they believe, i think there are nothing left unsaid on the issue...

and its about time that JMM and PAC to give us the answers come February...

Tracy dont forget our straight bet, I am still saving on points and by Feb I think I'll have enough points to make a substantial bet...

i really think the debates are over, all parties are sticking to what they believe, i think there are nothing left unsaid on the issue...

and its about time that JMM and PAC to give us the answers come February...

Tracy dont forget our straight bet, I am still saving on points and by Feb I think I'll have enough points to make a substantial bet...

You got it! ;) I do think we can easily say we all agree that it should be a very good fight :D I have the same 'straight bet' with someone else too (pso jr maybe??) so we'll have to figure it all out come time of the fight ;)

I can also see based on the poll that its almost same number of guys picking JMM & PAC, only difference, does guys picking JMM are split, majority by decision and also a good number by KO, but us pac fans we all know our man and we are calling it PAC BY KO...

You got it! ;) I do think we can easily say we all agree that it should be a very good fight :D I have the same 'straight bet' with someone else too (pso jr maybe??) so we'll have to figure it all out come time of the fight ;)

ok tracy come fight night will figure something out...

by the way tracy before i go, have you check the lounge lately, check out neils thread about celebrity look alike or the Pinoy Only threads.... :)

I can also see based on the poll that its almost same number of guys picking JMM & PAC, only difference, does guys picking JMM are split, majority by decision and also a good number by KO, but us pac fans we all know our man and we are calling it PAC BY KO...

yeah, I know...little fella is VERY strong, no debating that one! But JMM has all that talent and is a master at his game, so it should be interesting to say the least! ;)

ok tracy come fight night will figure something out...

by the way tracy before i go, have you check the lounge lately, check out neils thread about celebrity look alike or the Pinoy Only threads.... :)

Just saw and replied to it a min ago..you guys are crazy and I wish I looked like her! anyway, is it "G'night on the other side" time? :)

So basically the conclusion of this pole is that if Pacman doesn't KO JMM, he is going to lose which I couldn't agree with more.

So basically the conclusion of this pole is that if Pacman doesn't KO JMM, he is going to lose which I couldn't agree with more.

OMG!!!! Can I be the first to point out (hopefully without offending you :o ) that this is shocking!! :eek: This is not a Klitschko thread, is it? :confused: I honestly thought you only posted on those...my bad, I guess! :D Wow, wonders never cease!

Ya know, I been questing Manny's hunger as well. To me, he doesn't seem the same anymore. His Barrera conquest basically set him up for life in the Ph. and really he doesn't even need to fight.(He owns his own plantation in the Ph. for christ sake!). He's a movie star, people wanna be with him constantly and using him for ads, promotions, etc. He will never have money problems for the rest of his life and I think he knows it. The outcome of the Barrera-Morales fight also must have lowered his hunger. Here he wanted to face Morales and turns out he's going to be facing the man he already dominated and in his eyes, destroyed to the point he doesn't need a rematch no matter how much people say Barrera had an off night. Then the JMM rematch. He doesn't wanna fight it. He believes in himself that he won the fight along with all protests that came after the fight with the judge scoring error. So people thought it was close fight, he didn't and that's what matters when it comes to wanting to fight again. So his hunger for JMM, Barrera, and Morales has been decreased greatly. Will Manny ever be the same that fought Barrera and the fights before then? Definitely a big NO. He still has potential to be greater though I don't think he will take it as far as he can.
As for JMM, if he fights like he did vs Fahsan(IMO very sloppy), it's a 100% guaranteed loss. Fahsan was nothing. A smaller underclassed fighter who was just there to woe the crowd and give Manny an extra KO to his record. He's showing more punches and angles he throws from though again, it was vs a man that was completely outclassed from the bell(very smaller as well). Manny did miss many times with the right hand as well so he needs to work on that. In the 3rd round Manny dropped his arms in what looked like fatigue already. He definitely will need to prepare right in the beginning of January which most of us know already that he won't due to his tv show schedule in the Ph. I'll tell you this, my current predition from the way things are looking is that Manny will lose a UD. Before the Fahsan fight I had hopes though now I lost them.
Looks like my new fighter to look up to might be Vitali. Love him or hate him, he gets the job done in EVERYFIGHT. Same determination and smarts applied equally. He's a very good fighter.

im going with JMM by decision . i dont think he was ruined in the first fight, he just really didnt take his tune up fight that serious. he still won an easy UD. i always take the boxer over the power puncher. this time he knows what mannys speed and power are like and showed he can neutralize it . i think he will be much better off this time around, and if not i wont be disappointed because it will be an exciting ko for manny :D

JMM by decision. Last fight, I felt that Manny was lucky to get a draw. JMM appeared to have won almost every round after that brutal 1st round when he was knocked down 3 times.

wow-so far the polls are closer than I thought. :eek:

on what bases...care to elaborate?
If u saw the fight u might have noticed that Manny was very calm and passive. 3k looked so muh more smaller than Manny and didnt have anything to offer Manny. Manny looked like he wanted to put on a good show for his country. Reminds me of when Chavez fought Haugen in Mx. city, he could of KOed him in the first 30 sec. of the fight but he didnt. He gave the people their moneys worth,put on a show againts a much lesser fighter than him. That is what Manny did for PHILLIPINOS.In other words this was a sparring match for Manny,there r not in the same class.

Manny by KO in the 5th round.

wow so far only 4 more people think Pacman can beat jmm...thats a pretty tight race fellas

wow so far only 4 more people think Pacman can beat jmm...thats a pretty tight race fellas

that's because of the close 1st fight. I think its anybody's ballgame in Pac-JMM 2. Whoever is better-conditioned is gonna win it.

But of course I'm gonna bet my millions on Pac :D

It will be hard for Pacman to face this guy because of his accurate counter punching skills but I know Pacquiao can pull this one. Pacquiao's speed and power will be a great advantage on this rematch. Pacquiao and Roach has a good teamwork and they are developing some new techniques to add to Pacquiao's arsenal. This will be another prospect for Fight of the Year.

that's because of the close 1st fight. I think its anybody's ballgame in Pac-JMM 2. Whoever is better-conditioned is gonna win it.




my friend I think people are blind or did not watch the pacman vs. 3k fight carefully. manny has some new skills in his arsenal, he now has the ability to knock some one out using both hands in devestating fashion. freddie roach made him 10 times better. he is now SuperPacman. when bet time comes i'm putting 300k on manny to knock the hell out of jmm. cant believe these people dont see the upgrades in pacmans skills.

my friend I think people are blind or did not watch the pacman vs. 3k fight carefully. manny has some new skills in his arsenal, he now has the ability to knock some one out using both hands in devestating fashion. freddie roach made him 10 times better. he is now SuperPacman. when bet time comes i'm putting 300k on manny to knock the hell out of jmm. cant believe these people dont see the upgrades in pacmans skills.

Im sorry man but that tune up fight cant be considered an exhibition compared to the kind of opposition he was fighting. If it is to be considered an exhibition of what Pac is bringing to the table against Marquez it will be a long night for pac who kept droppin his left hand to throw the right hook all night. Btw that leaves him wide open for a counter right in case you are wondering. The hand that Marquez gave manny trouble with. The hooks wont work good against Marquez whos left hand doesnt drop from his face because he is always in counter punching mode.

The fight against fahsan was simply a show for his countrymen, and thats alright.

Im sorry man but that tune up fight cant be considered an exhibition compared to the kind of opposition he was fighting. If it is to be considered an exhibition of what Pac is bringing to the table against Marquez it will be a long night for pac who kept droppin his left hand to throw the right hook all night. Btw that leaves him wide open for a counter right in case you are wondering. The hand that Marquez gave manny trouble with. The hooks wont work good against Marquez whos left hand doesnt drop from his face because he is always in counter punching mode.

The fight against fahsan was simply a show for his countrymen, and thats alright.



you made some very valid points my friend but we shall have to wait and see if JMM can handle Pacman with the new skills. you made a good point about manny dropping his left and getting countered by a right, i gaurantee you that problem will be adressed by fight night. when fight night comes a long i'm droppin some points.

Here's my call . . . . Pac by K.O. or T.K.O. within 8.

I'm sure JMM won't be making the same mistake of standing toe to toe with Pac so the fight ending via decission is also a great possibility.

Here's my call . . . . Pac by K.O. or T.K.O. within 8.

I'm sure JMM won't be making the same mistake of standing toe to toe with Pac so the fight ending via decission is also a great possibility.


Pacquiao won't let that happen. He said he won't be needing any judges the 2nd time around. So, it means he is pursuing to KO JMM and that would be better. Pacman is afraid there might be a twist again in the score cards if it will last for 12 rounds.

that's because of the close 1st fight. I think its anybody's ballgame in Pac-JMM 2. Whoever is better-conditioned is gonna win it.

short but precise, i agree with your comment, the more conditioned fighter wins. bad news is for pacman because lots of distractions coming his way. tapings, commercials, movies, billiards. that's why i am not voting on this poll, i'll wait for pacquiao to start his training! although im a pac fan, i think jmm would cause trouble for him.

JMM on points, that man is all courage and heart. The way he fought in the first fight was truely amazing, especially after the terrible first round for him. That round alone would have finished many fighters mentally and physically. I think he has enough to beat the Pacman on points. Marquez fights better under pressure, especially with come forward fighters. He is pretty good at counter punching too that seemed to give Manny problems. Manny is a good fighter and very dangerous but know JMM knows what to expect i think he will beat him. Saying that if Manny has brushed up on his general boxing skills then he is in with a very good chance because with JMM you have to be prepared to go the distance.


JMM is all that, and he's smart, too! he'll figure out how to defeat the new and improved Pac, and outpoint him, but it'll be a great fight. i wouldn't be surprised to see JMM down again