Even though i dislike McClellan and find his condition funny because of his cruelty, I think he was unbelievable fighter and underrated because the thing that happened overshadowed his skill.

Id pick him over Hagler I think Haglers record fools people he wasnt a big puncher just an accumulation one and you need to be to beat McClellan. Benn only beat him coz of bad weight-drain. McClellan was sloppy after the firsst round.

Haglers power is evident, when he could only drop Mugabi in the 9th or 10th cant remember. Gerald beat him in the first. IMO Hagler would have to be stopped by ref.

Even though i dislike McClellan and find his condition funny because of his cruelty, I think he was unbelievable fighter and underrated because the thing that happened overshadowed his skill.

Id pick him over Hagler I think Haglers record fools people he wasnt a big puncher just an accumulation one and you need to be to beat McClellan. Benn only beat him coz of bad weight-drain. McClellan was sloppy after the firsst round.

Haglers power is evident, when he could only drop Mugabi in the 9th or 10th cant remember. Gerald beat him in the first. IMO Hagler would have to be stopped by ref.

Good Idea for a fantasy fight..

Didn't McClellan beat an old, pass prime Mugabi? Anyway, I disagree, I think McClellan would throw his best at Hagler, and Hagler would keep coming, eventually I think McClellan would get tired and discourage, I also think Hagler can do alot of damage to him on the inside and going to body....

Good Idea for a fantasy fight..

Didn't McClellan beat an old, pass prime Mugabi? Anyway, I disagree, I think McClellan would throw his best at Hagler, and Hagler would keep coming, eventually I think McClellan would get tired and discourage, I also think Hagler can do alot of damage to him on the inside and going to body....
Mugabi was hit by Hagler in the first round, didnt go down. He did from G-man. Not because prime, because punches harder.

Mugabi was hit by Hagler in the first round, didnt go down. He did from G-man. Not because prime, because punches harder.


Yeah, but I want know McClellan can take the amount punishment he'll receive from Hagler as the rounds progress..
I'm almost certain that Hagler can take what the G-Man has to offer, because he has faced some hard hitters..

Hagler being stopped? The man was never even hurt in his life. Other than one slight pause in his step against Hearns when a right uppercut/left hook connect, i don't remember one time when Hagler was even stunned. I don't see any evidence that shows that Hagler would be stopped.

McClellan never was a great fighter. Aside from his absolutely huge punch, he was above-average. His skills weren't too impressive.

Hagler stops him in the middle rounds.

Hagler being stopped? The man was never even hurt in his life. Other than one slight pause in his step against Hearns when a right uppercut/left hook connect, i don't remember one time when Hagler was even stunned. I don't see any evidence that shows that Hagler would be stopped.

McClellan never was a great fighter. Aside from his absolutely huge punch, he was above-average. His skills weren't too impressive.

Hagler stops him in the middle rounds.

I agree. I don't think he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Hagler.

Mugabi was hit by Hagler in the first round, didnt go down. He did from G-man. Not because prime, because punches harder.

after the war with Hagler mugabi was never the same fighter again. But the winner of a McClellan - Hagler fight would not be the guy who got Mugabi out first. I do not see in McClellan anything Hagler has not faced and beaten.

Hagler would be have been something like a Nigel Benn, only many many many times better.

So I go for Hagler by ko in the 7th or 8th.

Marvin by KO.

Even though i dislike McClellan and find his condition funny because of his cruelty, I think he was unbelievable fighter and underrated because the thing that happened overshadowed his skill.

Id pick him over Hagler I think Haglers record fools people he wasnt a big puncher just an accumulation one and you need to be to beat McClellan. Benn only beat him coz of bad weight-drain. McClellan was sloppy after the firsst round.

Haglers power is evident, when he could only drop Mugabi in the 9th or 10th cant remember. Gerald beat him in the first. IMO Hagler would have to be stopped by ref.

something I would find funny after reading this post would be to find out that you had your "brains", (and I'm using this term loosely) scrambled in a accident! How anyone could think what happened to the G-man is funny is way beyond me!! so I say piss on you!!!!!!

Hagler being stopped? The man was never even hurt in his life. Other than one slight pause in his step against Hearns when a right uppercut/left hook connect, i don't remember one time when Hagler was even stunned. I don't see any evidence that shows that Hagler would be stopped.

McClellan never was a great fighter. Aside from his absolutely huge punch, he was above-average. His skills weren't too impressive.

Hagler stops him in the middle rounds.

I read on his record that he was knocked down, I'm not saying that he was hurt, but did you see this fight, and was he?

Hagler by KO in last rounds.

I read on his record that he was knocked down, I'm not saying that he was hurt, but did you see this fight, and was he?

No kd, just a slight reaction from Hagler as he says.

Haglar by decision, probably.

McClellan only lost to Benn because of those consistently illegal punches to the back of the head and I also believe that those fights with Julian Jackson hurt G-Man, he complained of migranes ever since he fought Jackson.

The Jackson fight was the beginning of the end..

Haglar by decision, probably.

McClellan only lost to Benn because of those consistently illegal punches to the back of the head and I also believe that those fights with Julian Jackson hurt G-Man, he complained of migranes ever since he fought Jackson.

Getting punched in the head by Jackson will do that to you :D

Don't agree on the Benn fight though, 3 or 4 soft rabbit punches don't change a fight.

I agree that the Jackson fight was the beginning of trouble for Gerald and the headbutt didn't help matters at all, imo the constant rabbitt punches were a major factor. To say they were soft and that there was only a couple is rediculous, cause that **** was all through the fight and they sure as hell weren't soft!

hagler was a more solid fighter, the power goes to g-man but its just not enough to beat hagler. hagler late tko or ko.

I agree that the Jackson fight was the beginning of trouble for Gerald and the headbutt didn't help matters at all, imo the constant rabbitt punches were a major factor. To say they were soft and that there was only a couple is rediculous, cause that **** was all through the fight and they sure as hell weren't soft!

We'll have to agree to disagree on the rabbit punches, I've watched the fight many times. I agree on that butt though, McLellan definitely had some sort of reaction to that.

I have watched that fight many times also and there is no doubt the fouls that Nigel Benn hit Gerald McClellan with had an effect on the fight. Benn knew he could not win without rabbit punching and headbutting, he tried every dirty trick in the book that night. The Ref was a joke and he let this type illegal punching go on without even a warning to Benn. McClellan would have been great and if that fight took place in the U.S. it would have been a first round KO for McClellan....
As far as McClellan vs Hagler , Hagler would win a close decision after being rocked early in the fight by McClellan. I still think we as boxing fans never got a chance to see the G-Man in his prime. He was still improving as a fighter when he got hurt.

I have watched that fight many times also and there is no doubt the fouls that Nigel Benn hit Gerald McClellan with had an effect on the fight. Benn knew he could not win without rabbit punching and headbutting, he tried every dirty trick in the book that night. The Ref was a joke and he let this type illegal punching go on without even a warning to Benn. McClellan would have been great and if that fight took place in the U.S. it would have been a first round KO for McClellan....
As far as McClellan vs Hagler , Hagler would win a close decision after being rocked early in the fight by McClellan. I still think we as boxing fans never got a chance to see the G-Man in his prime. He was still improving as a fighter when he got hurt.

Benn roughed him up, no doubt, but McLellan didn't do much complaining about it during the fight and there's been much worse incidents of foul play that have gone unpunished. I don't know what makes you think it would have ended in the 1st had the fight been elsewhere :confused: Benn landed plenty of big, legitimate shots that were the more likely reason for the outcome of the fight and it's just excuse making to say otherwise.

You were right Mc Clellan had a hard punch, but wasn't up to scratch with Hagler. Mc Clellan quality of opponent werent near Haglers. Have a look at their opponents and their records of each fighter, and the difference is evident.

Mc Clellan didnt complain because he was that type of guy.
I just cant see him beating Hagler. Could be biased opinion because Haglers one of my fav fighters.

I have watched that fight many times also and there is no doubt the fouls that Nigel Benn hit Gerald McClellan with had an effect on the fight. Benn knew he could not win without rabbit punching and headbutting, he tried every dirty trick in the book that night. The Ref was a joke and he let this type illegal punching go on without even a warning to Benn. McClellan would have been great and if that fight took place in the U.S. it would have been a first round KO for McClellan....
As far as McClellan vs Hagler , Hagler would win a close decision after being rocked early in the fight by McClellan. I still think we as boxing fans never got a chance to see the G-Man in his prime. He was still improving as a fighter when he got hurt.

How would it have been a 1st round KO if it was in the states? I don't understand this. As for the rabbit punches yes they happened, but I'm sorry if you watch the fight G-Man wasn't exactly clean!

And as for what happened it had absolutley nothing to do with the rabbit punches it the damage was done by the cumulative effect of the Jackson fight and the Benn fight both of whom were some of the hardest punchers around at the time.

It really pisses me off when people bang on about Benn being dirty and how that was the reason the G-Man is the way he is today - one word.... bull****. He got crowned in both fights with some huge punches. Both Benn and G-Man were as dirty as one another and anyone who has seen the fight would know...jesus it was a war!

Does anyone feel that the injuries McClellan sustained after the fight was a karma thing? (besides the person who stated it in the beginning of the thread.)

Does anyone feel that the injuries McClellan sustained after the fight was a karma thing? (besides the person who stated it in the beginning of the thread.)


It very well could have been, but in saying that, I value the life of a person more than I do a dog...so McClellan did not deserve what happened to him. What is wrong with people who are happy what happened to McClellan? that is some evil **** man.

I think McClellan was just hit too much in his career altogether and in the Benn fight it caught up with him.

Really I am not one to try to make excuses one way or another, and I wasn't trying to say that Nigel Benn is the reason Gerald is the way he is today. I do think that that night in London was the final touches on a long and brutal road for someone that takes to good of a punch, I have always been of the belief that having a solid chin was a great thing to have for boxing but not for living, cause taking the kind of punches that he(and so many others) can take seems to only last for awhile and then boom all of a sudden one hard shot too many and it's good night, or veggie time. The human brain can take some bone jarring punishment and you can bounce right back, but sooner or later you take one too many and you are never the same. I had never heard this story about Gerald before so I am definately saddened to hear the way he was as a person and maybe the end result is some kind of karma catching up to him. Either way I don't wish his condition on any man,
BTW, the reason that the fight would have been a 1st rd. tko was that Benn had at least 13 seconds instead of a 10 count in the first round, not to mention the fact that the douchebag ref kept steppiing in between them when it resumed and was stopping Gerald from reuming the assault, **** even Ferdie Pacheco was saying "what is this guy doing"!

Benn roughed him up, no doubt, but McLellan didn't do much complaining about it during the fight and there's been much worse incidents of foul play that have gone unpunished. I don't know what makes you think it would have ended in the 1st had the fight been elsewhere :confused: Benn landed plenty of big, legitimate shots that were the more likely reason for the outcome of the fight and it's just excuse making to say otherwise.

when benn was knocked down through the ropes, alot of people think the count was a little long, myself included. im pretty sure thats what hes refering to when he says that. if it were in the states there would have been a different ref. a ref from the states could have a long count to but im just telling you what i think this guy is saying.

Fair enough guys, although aren't you supposed to get extra time if you're out of the ring?

Hagler would get inside of McClellan's range and molest him. Especially if we are talking LATER in McClellan's career when all he knew how to throw was a right hand.

as far as I know you get a 10 count to continue fighting no matter where you fall. So I think that even if you fall out of the ring you still have to make it back in and up by 10 but I could be wrong does anybody remember when Rachman got knocked thru the ropes against I think it was O.Maskaev if so do you remember if he had to make it up and back in the ring by the 10ct?

Benn roughed him up, no doubt, but McLellan didn't do much complaining about it during the fight and there's been much worse incidents of foul play that have gone unpunished. I don't know what makes you think it would have ended in the 1st had the fight been elsewhere :confused: Benn landed plenty of big, legitimate shots that were the more likely reason for the outcome of the fight and it's just excuse making to say otherwise.

Well when you watch this fight look and see how long the ref actually counts when Nigel Benn is knocked out of the ring in round one. He would have been counted out by any other ref. Also observe how often the referee stops McClellan from landing punches on an obviously wobbled Benn. That's why I said if this fight took place in the U.S. it would have been over in one round with G-man the winner.

How would it have been a 1st round KO if it was in the states? I don't understand this. As for the rabbit punches yes they happened, but I'm sorry if you watch the fight G-Man wasn't exactly clean!

And as for what happened it had absolutley nothing to do with the rabbit punches it the damage was done by the cumulative effect of the Jackson fight and the Benn fight both of whom were some of the hardest punchers around at the time.

It really pisses me off when people bang on about Benn being dirty and how that was the reason the G-Man is the way he is today - one word.... bull****. He got crowned in both fights with some huge punches. Both Benn and G-Man were as dirty as one another and anyone who has seen the fight would know...jesus it was a war!

Dude, just because it was a war doesn't mean he has to resort to this type of fighting. Hell, Benn was a good enough fighter to be able to fight fairly against Gerald but Benn clearly was intimidated by McClellan's punching power and the only way he could even things up was to foul. I didn't see Benn fight this way against Watson or Barkley or any fight before or after this fight. Explain to me when Gerald tried to foul Benn in this one.... Yeah, it pisses me off when someone talks **** about a fight they obviously haven't seen enough of. Explain the flying head butt by Nigel... would that kind of crap have taken place in the States, I think not. Benn minus the illegal tacktics would have lost this one early.

Yeah, he took some punishment in the Jackson fight but not to the extent of the Benn fight, Jackson was honorable warrior that didn't need to fall back on fouls unlike Benn. Being hit by a legal blows compared to constant rabbit punching is a major difference.

I'll concede that you may have a point with regards to the count and maybe the ref's interventions but not that the so-called illegal tactics of Benn changed the outcome of the fight. Do you honestly believe that the rabbit punches and clash of heads had more effect on McLellan than the several bombs that Benn landed on him?

Benn was tangled up in the ropes which is probably why he got extra time from the ref and it's certainly less scandalous than the long counts given to Douglas against Tyson or Ali against Cooper.

I'm going to have to watch it again now though, just to make sure.

Explain the flying head butt by Nigel... would that kind of crap have taken place in the States, I think not. Benn minus the illegal tacktics would have lost this one early.


What about MAB smashing Hamed's face into the corner post or Tyson being allowed to continue after the 1st bite? Much worse than anything Benn did and you don't hear British fans saying Hamed would have won if it wasn't for Barrera's illegal tactics. He was just roughing up Hamed to intimidate him, same as Benn.

That's just naive saying it wouldn't/doesn't happen in the US.lmao.

It very well could have been, but in saying that, I value the life of a person more than I do a dog...so McClellan did not deserve what happened to him. What is wrong with people who are happy what happened to McClellan? that is some evil **** man.

I don't feel happy about his condition but I did lose a lot of the sympathy that I had for him when I found out what an evil ****er he was.

As for G-man against Hagler - come on please! Hagler would have destroyed him, there not fit to be mentioned in the same breath.

Benn roughed him up, no doubt, but McLellan didn't do much complaining about it during the fight and there's been much worse incidents of foul play that have gone unpunished. I don't know what makes you think it would have ended in the 1st had the fight been elsewhere :confused: Benn landed plenty of big, legitimate shots that were the more likely reason for the outcome of the fight and it's just excuse making to say otherwise.

Maybe G-man didn't do much complaining because he was literally dying inside? Thats just a thought...I have read that the blood clot formed early on in the fight...this was one of the more courageous performances that you will ever see.

I love Gerald...but to pick him over Hagler....I can't do that-however I think I would take G-man against Hopkins....maybe.

Maybe G-man didn't do much complaining because he was literally dying inside? Thats just a thought...I have read that the blood clot formed early on in the fight...this was one of the more courageous performances that you will ever see.

I love Gerald...but to pick him over Hagler....I can't do that-however I think I would take G-man against Hopkins....maybe.

Maybe but I thought he was fighting quite well though for most of the fight and he'd have won by 3 or 4 rounds if it had gone the distance, so I'm not sure about that.

Like I said, one of the most courageous performances you will ever see, you don't think that he just all of s sudden formed a blood clot do you?...watching that fight over there is obviously something wrong with GM and it certainly was apparent far before the 10th...

Marvin Hagler was too complete a fighter to lose to Gerald McClellan.
Being a big puncher got you nowhere with Hagler...as you can see from his fights with Cyclone Hart, Mugabi, & Hearns.

McClellan wouldn't have much to fall back on, after his bombs fizzled.


On Benn-McClellan...
You can factor dehydration into Gerald's demise, as well.
He was notorious for drying out to make weight.

Like I said, one of the most courageous performances you will ever see, you don't think that he just all of s sudden formed a blood clot do you?...watching that fight over there is obviously something wrong with GM and it certainly was apparent far before the 10th...

Yeah, he starts blinking alot around the 7th or 8th if I remember right which is probably when it started. It was one of the bravest fights I've ever seen from both fighters. Benn was in a bad way too after that fight and was never the same fighter again.

Sorry to be a bit anal guys but I've just watched the fight again because you had me doubting my own memory. You guys really need to watch this fight again.

The count's not even close, Benn's up at 6 outside the ropes and back in the ring at 8(off my count, not the refs). The ref does mess about a bit when McLellan refuses to step back after he's called break. The ref also gives a pretty dubious kd in the 8th when Benn falls over after swinging wildly.

As for the rabbit punches, Benn only gets him with a couple of tap ones whilst they're clinching but does hit him 3 or 4 decent ones just before and after McLellan goes down for the 1st time late in the fight for which he gets warned. McLellan throws 2 or 3 of his own including 1 huge one as well as a couple of elbows.

The "flying headbut" is totally accidental. Benn tries to land a huge right hook and catches McLellan with the back of his head as he's falling down.

Jabs, I think you could be on to something with the dehydration. He was definitely struggling for breath from about 5 onwards, although why would he be struggling at the weight in his 1st fight up from middleweight?

I am gonna watch the fight again in just a few min. so I will get back to ya after, I also agree the headbutt was totally an accident. The more I think back I remember Manny S. saying before that Gerald was around 170-75 lbs. walk around weight and that making 160 was awfully hard on him so he moved up, but even cutting weight for as long as he had been, that has to have lasting ramificationson a persons body as well as brain. I almost think that maybe years of cutting the weight had done enough damage and factored in with dehydration, plus all the power puches from Nigel just equaled tragedy. I have always felt that boxing as a whole should do more to keep guys from cutting so much weight, Joey Camach(sp.) was lucky he didn't get killed in his fight with A. Gatti cause jesus what did Gatti put on like 15-20 lbs. between the weigh-in and the fight, sooner or later something's got to find a way to curb that **** cause it aint right! I'll get back after watching the fight, peace

Marvin Hagler was too complete a fighter to lose to Gerald McClellan.
Being a big puncher got you nowhere with Hagler...as you can see from his fights with Cyclone Hart, Mugabi, & Hearns.

McClellan wouldn't have much to fall back on, after his bombs fizzled.


On Benn-McClellan...
You can factor dehydration into Gerald's demise, as well.
He was notorious for drying out to make weight.
Hagler's chin was made of granite. He took everything Hearns had, and still kept coming. McClellan, same deal.

I am gonna watch the fight again in just a few min. so I will get back to ya after,

I'm gonna be offline for a couple days, so I'm not ducking your response :D

The fight's more or less totally clean between 2 and 9 and Benn's not even as dirty as I'd remebered it!! I'm glad you made me watch it again though, it's such a great fight. :)