Heavyweight - Vitali Klitscho
Cruiserweight - Jean-Marc Mormeck
Light Heavyweight - Antonio Tarver
Super-Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight - Jermain Taylor
Light-Middleweight - Vacant
Welterweight - Zab Judah
Light-Welterweight - Ricky Hatton
Lightweight - Diego Corrales
Super-Featherweight - Marco Antonio Barrera
Featherweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super-Bantamweight - Oscar Larios
Bantamweight - Rafael Marquez

Would you guys say that this is fair? :dunno:

I do but wait for the UK haters.

i'd agree with that but i'm hoping come november jeff lacy is the peoples champ

pretty fair except for a few: the calzaghe, hatton and barrera bits........i think the supermiddleweight champ is KESSLER, whereas the superlightweight is vacant as PBF and HATTON are even on this one.........Barrera is **** and MORALES is the one by far.

Heavyweight - Vacant
Cruiserweight - Jean-Marc Mormeck(don't watch this division myself)
Light Heavyweight - Antonio Tarver
Super-Middleweight - Jeff Lacy
Middleweight - Jermain Taylor
Light-Middleweight - Vacant
Welterweight - Zab Judah
Light-Welterweight - Floyd Mayweather
Lightweight - Jose Luis Castillo
Super-Featherweight - Erik Morales
Featherweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super-Bantamweight - Oscar Larios
Bantamweight - Rafael Marquez

That's my list, and you did say "people's" champ. I like Floyd over Ricky, and Lacy over Cal***gie. And I think Corrales robbed Castillo, and should have been DQ'ed so I really can't stand him.

pretty fair except for a few: the calzaghe, hatton and barrera bits........i think the supermiddleweight champ is KESSLER, whereas the superlightweight is vacant as PBF and HATTON are even on this one.........Barrera is **** and MORALES is the one by far.


The people's champ, man. The people's champ.

pretty fair except for a few: the calzaghe, hatton and barrera bits........i think the supermiddleweight champ is KESSLER, whereas the superlightweight is vacant as PBF and HATTON are even on this one.........Barrera is **** and MORALES is the one by far.
How you've come up with Kessler as the "people's champ" at 168lbs I'll never know... I can only imagine that you've looked up on the net and seen that he currently holds the WBC belt, and that because you know little about the super-middleweight division... You've seen that as a more prestigious belt?

Calzaghe is the Champion @168lbs... "FULLSTOP"

p.s... Barrera beat Morales and took his WBC belt the fight before last.

martin have you ever seen Kessler fight..........that's all i have to say......this people's champ is all bull****, as all it is, is the yanks and poms ranking the fighters that they have seen.......this is how they come up with lacy and YOU come up with calzaghe......and by the way, you are wrong about him holding the wbc belt, it is the wba belt.....so this shows your lack of knowledge on this..........the wbc belt is held by your mate markus beyer.

barrera beat morales by a round only, whereas he got annihilated by pacman......and morales then beat pacman......also by a round....morales fights the better opposition.......

Not if you really mean "the peoples" champs.

martin have you ever seen Kessler fight..........that's all i have to say......this people's champ is all bull****, as all it is, is the yanks and poms ranking the fighters that they have seen.......this is how they come up with lacy and YOU come up with calzaghe......and by the way, you are wrong about him holding the wbc belt, it is the wba belt.....so this shows your lack of knowledge on this..........the wbc belt is held by your mate markus beyer.

barrera beat morales by a round only, whereas he got annihilated by pacman......and morales then beat pacman......also by a round....morales fights the better opposition.......
"Lack of boxing knowledge"... :nono: Come on now moochi, we can have a discussion about boxing without it turning into a slagging match right??? - Even if we do disagree... What's happeneing to this website???

I have seen Kessler fight... He's appeared on Eurosport (tv channel) before and considering the guy he was fighting, I wasn't particulary impressed. Especially considering some of the guy's Calzaghe has beaten and the fashion he's beaten them in. + Calzaghe has fought so many more names at 168lbs and defended his belt 17 times. (He won that belt in 1997').

I just dunno how you could rate Kessler above Calzaghe in terms of achievments AND who would win if they fought?

Barerra may have won by 2-3 rounds... But he certainly won. Morales fight with Pacquiao was like a 2nd vs 3rd in the division in my eyes.

don't worry martin, i was thinking about adding an extra sentence saying that i don't disrespect you or your opinions in any way, just in case you took my post the wrong way...however i thought that my post might just have been borderline enough not to induce you to want to counter...

nevertheless, just opinions in here mate, and no slagging.

i never said i rate kessler ahead of calzaghe in terms of achievements...you mentioned this right now.....so i rate KESSLER ahead of him now, not of calzaghe's history....of course calzaghe achieved heaps...but he has passed his peak in my opinion......

eurosport shows old fights, so i'm not sure if you have seen kessler's defining fights vs. siaca and mundine.......

Barrera beat Morales by 1 point on 2 judges and even the other.....but his opposition is not that high...whereas morales seems willing to fight anyone....at the same time because Barrera got totally destroyed by Pacman, and isn't even dreaming of a rematch, keeps him down the ranks.....Pacman fights anyone anytime and he has proved his colour.............If Tszyu were to return and beat Maussa, that wouldn't put him back at the top, he'd need to either avenge or take out all other contenders....this barrera has not done.

Calzaghe vs. Lacy and Hatton vs. Mayweather will determine the best at 168 and 140 respectively .. so lets just sit back and enjoy the fights :)

Calzaghe vs. Lacy and Hatton vs. Mayweather will determine the best at 168 and 140 respectively .. so lets just sit back and enjoy the fights :)
remember the world title involves the whole world....not just the UK, USA, and Mexico.US..........so please think of others who add to the equation.

no offence ok.

No offence buts I think its pretty obvious that Calzaghe&Lacy and Hatton&Mayweather are no.1 and no.2 at 168 and 140 respectively ..

Kessler and Cotto are a little green and not quite in that class, lets be honest

No offence buts I think its pretty obvious that Calzaghe&Lacy and Hatton&Mayweather are no.1 and no.2 at 168 and 140 respectively ..

Kessler and Cotto are a little green and not quite in that class, lets be honest

Lacy is pretty green, too, though. He only has 21 pro fights.

Lacy is pretty green, too, though. He only has 21 pro fights.
Buts hes beaten a 'name' opponent like the Grim Reaper and stopped him for the first time ever .. so hes proven hes not intimidated

well i was mainly thinking of kessler.......but if he is green, then calzaghe is the opposite........

calzaghe is so past his prime, that he has played his game well....waiting for his last and large payday.......his opposition of late has shown us that he knows his time has come..........

No worries man... No slagging off matches - (On a sidenote, I am getting a bit tired on this website of trying to start a boxing conversation only to have someone that doesn't agree with me, turn and start "name calling" etc... Where did all the intelligent posters go?).

On the Pacquiao vs Barrera thing... I thought that Barrera didn't look right in that fight. He had a disrupted preperation with moving camps (coz' of the fires on big bear), + he had a load of crap going on in the press saying that they may stop the fight (coz' of the metal plate in his forehead).

Don't get me wrong... I'm a real Pacquiao fan... I think he's GREAT!... And I was extremely impressed with how well he fought against Morales. I thought some people saying, "Morales schooled him" were being very unfair. Pacquiao got through with some really well placed, heavy, and well timed shots... He hurt Morales!

I reckon Barrera would out-box Pacquaio in a re-match.

I agree that Calzaghe is past his prime but I believe that if his head is right he can somehow get past Lacy and then do some damage at 175 where he belongs .. but I fear for Calzaghe against Lacy at 168 .. he'd stand a much better chance of beating Lacy at 175 because he's been really struggling for years to make the 168 limit ..

Calzaghe has only had three fights in the last two years and didnt look like his usual self in those three fights ..! BUT Calzaghe is so big and strong, I'm sure he still has quick hands and I'm sure he still has heavy hands .. and he's a southpaw which I dont think Lacy has come up against yet ..? Also Calzaghe has no stamina issues unlike Lacy maybe ..? And we have to remember that in his last big fight against Mitchell a few years back he got dropped but then got back up and stopped Mitchell in that same round ..!

Heavyweight - Vitali Klitscho
Cruiserweight - Jean-Marc Mormeck
Light Heavyweight - Antonio Tarver
Super-Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight - Jermain Taylor
Light-Middleweight - Vacant
Welterweight - Zab Judah
Light-Welterweight - Ricky Hatton
Lightweight - Diego Corrales
Super-Featherweight - Marco Antonio Barrera
Featherweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super-Bantamweight - Oscar Larios
Bantamweight - Rafael Marquez

Would you guys say that this is fair? :dunno:
ok its decent but..
Calzaghe and Lacy really need to fight.
Light Middle Weight i give it to winky
and Hatton over Floyd are you insane ???
now dont give me the brit hater thing im really being neutral here. i love how hatton fights but him over Floyd not yet man.

ok its decent but..
Calzaghe and Lacy really need to fight.
Light Middle Weight i give it to winky
and Hatton over Floyd are you insane ???
now dont give me the brit hater thing im really being neutral here. i love how hatton fights but him over Floyd not yet man.
You see El Jefe, the the way I see it... Hatton beat "The Man"... And @140lbs Mayweather has only fought Corley, Bruselles, and Gatti. None of these three I would have rated in the top 5 at Super-Lightweight. (Yes that does include Gatti).

Floyd has all the potential to become the best 140lb fighter, but he's got to actually do it in the ring, rather than people just assuming "he probably would do it if he ever did fight the champ"

You see El Jefe, the the way I see it... Hatton beat "The Man"... And @140lbs Mayweather has only fought Corley, Bruselles, and Gatti. None of these?" three I would have rated in the top 5 at Super-Lightweight. (Yes that does include Gatti).

Floyd has all the potential to become the best 140lb fighter, but he's got to actually do it in the ring, rather than people just assuming "he probably would do it if they ever did fight
Hatton beated Tsyzu and Mayweather beated Gatti imo they were both over rated. and IMO Mayweather has fought better over all oposition not only at 140 either.

Hatton beated Tsyzu and Mayweather beated Gatti imo they were both over rated. and IMO Mayweather has fought better over all oposition not only at 140 either.

With all the different weight classes and with guys jumping up and down all the time now the whole title belt thing for each individual weight class gets kind of silly. I think martin has the right guys on his list but because of the nature of the sport the two arguably best fighters in the business are left out: Floyd and Winky. Hatton beat the titlist and gets the title but Floyd has had the better opposition in his career. At any rate, these days p4p lists seem to provide a more accurate picture of the boxing scene.

Mayweather has fought better opposition than Hatton, but not at 140lbs he hasn't.

Hatton's had 39 fights at 140lbs, he's fought himself into the madatory position for all WBA/IBF/WBO and 2nd in WBC... This was based on the fighters he fought.

If you take away Tszyu and Gatti... Bruselles and Corley are not in the same league as Hattons opposition.

Is this another thread to get boxingscene to recognize Hatton as the man to beat at 140lbs?

Cuz if it is, WE AGREE ALREADY!

You can stop now.

I think if PBF and hatton fight PBF will win, but imo Hatton is da man at the minute cos he beat Zoo, and someone else mentioned winky being 154 champ maybe if he goes back down and wins another fight down their but at the minute hes fighting at 160 and the champ is Taylor

Mayweather has fought better opposition than Hatton, but not at 140lbs he hasn't.

Hatton's had 39 fights at 140lbs, he's fought himself into the madatory position for all WBA/IBF/WBO and 2nd in WBC... This was based on the fighters he fought.

If you take away Tszyu and Gatti... Bruselles and Corley are not in the same league as Hattons opposition.I do agree Hatton beat the man. Tszyu was the man, but he didn't really acted like the real champ. The guy fought like 2 times in over 2 years. I know he had some injuries but still no excuse for him not fighting too much. Tszyu doesn't really enjoys boxing. Corley & Gatti are good fighters.

I'd definetly have to take
heavy-Lacy
light welter-Mayweather Jr.

I'd definetly have to take
heavy-Lacy
light welter-Mayweather Jr.

Heavy? Lacy isn't a heavyweight. Unless I'm missing some sort of sarcasm.

I'd definetly have to take
heavy-Lacy
light welter-Mayweather Jr.
I'm sorry man... But if you've got Jeff Lacy as the "People's Champ" @168lbs, you are either very new to boxing, heavily biased, or just plain don't know what you're talking about.

;)

Heavyweight - Vacant
Cruiserweight - Jean-Marc Mormeck(don't watch this division myself)
Light Heavyweight - Antonio Tarver
Super-Middleweight - Jeff Lacy
Middleweight - Jermain Taylor
Light-Middleweight - Vacant
Welterweight - Zab Judah
Light-Welterweight - Floyd Mayweather
Lightweight - Jose Luis Castillo
Super-Featherweight - Erik Morales
Featherweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super-Bantamweight - Oscar Larios
Bantamweight - Rafael Marquez

That's my list, and you did say "people's" champ. I like Floyd over Ricky, and Lacy over Cal***gie. And I think Corrales robbed Castillo, and should have been DQ'ed so I really can't stand him.



The people's champ, man. The people's champ.

so even though everyone saw Castillo get knocked out, he's still recognized as the People's Champion? Worst post of all time. Thanks for trying, *******, and like I said, you've only been watching boxing for like a year so I'll let all your idiotic posts slide.

so after Tarver knocks Roy out again, in your own little world, you can tell everyone you still consider Roy the People's Champion? lol, only in your little world, ******. only in your world.

I'd also like to add that Winky is still the man at 154 since he only moved up to fight Trinidad so far

Mayweather has fought better opposition than Hatton, but not at 140lbs he hasn't.
Hatton's had 39 fights at 140lbs, he's fought himself into the madatory position for all WBA/IBF/WBO and 2nd in WBC... This was based on the fighters he fought.

If you take away Tszyu and Gatti... Bruselles and Corley are not in the same league as Hattons opposition.

actually he has. Mayweather beat Corley and Gatti. Hatton beat Tszyu. I'd say Mayweather is ahead.

Yea why is Castillo over Chico. I don't get it.

because that guy acts like a little girl throwing a tantrum. BadMagic is one of those guys who gets mad when the fighter he wants to win loses so he makes up excuses to cover their ass. mother****er probably still recognized Hopkins as Middleweight Champ. YOU CAN'T CHANGE WHAT IT'S THE RECORD BOOKS, YOU PIECE OF **** CRYBABY. It says Corrales TKO10 Castillo, ***

I'd also like to add that Winky is still the man at 154 since he only moved up to fight Trinidad so far

But after calling out Hopkins so many times he's more or less officially declared himself to be a middleweight. It's a bit of a grey area, really.

But after calling out Hopkins so many times he's more or less officially declared himself to be a middleweight. It's a bit of a grey area, really.
I agree... That's why I left 154lbs vacant because I dunno what Winky's doing at the moment.

Heavyweight - Vitali Klitscho
Cruiserweight - Jean-Marc Mormeck
Light Heavyweight - Antonio Tarver
Super-Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight - Jermain Taylor
Light-Middleweight - Vacant
Welterweight - Zab Judah
Light-Welterweight - Ricky Hatton
Lightweight - Diego Corrales
Super-Featherweight - Marco Antonio Barrera
Featherweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super-Bantamweight - Oscar Larios
Bantamweight - Rafael Marquez

Would you guys say that this is fair? :dunno:
Hey man, you missed off the "peoples champ" for strawweight and super-mini weight :D.

Heavyweight - Vitali Klitscho
Cruiserweight - Jean-Marc Mormeck
Light Heavyweight - Antonio Tarver
Super-Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight - Jermain Taylor
Light-Middleweight - Roman Karmazin
Welterweight - Zab Judah
Light-Welterweight - Ricky Hatton
Lightweight - Diego Corrales
Super-Featherweight - Erik Morales
Featherweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super-Bantamweight - Oscar Larios
Bantamweight - Rafael Marquez

The three i'm not 100% sure on

Morales, Barrera beat him at super feather so really he should be considered number 1 but IMO the fight was close and Morales win over Manny Pac is far better than Barrera's over Fana, especially considering Pac handed Barrera a beating.

Judah, I think Margarito is the best fighter at 147 but Judah beat Spinks who was considered the number 1.

Corrales, Maybe Castillo would have won if Corrales didnt cheat but i'll let the rematch decide.

Hatton beated Tsyzu and Mayweather beated Gatti imo they were both over rated. and IMO Mayweather has fought better over all oposition not only at 140 either.

Gatti was overated but not Tszyu, i've watched Tszyu's career over and over again but i can fault him. he's almost a complete fighter, if he return then Mayweathers not even number 2 at 140, Tszyu is.

Mayweather's my P4P number 1 but the fact is he's done nothing at the weight to earn number 1 spot yet, i know he's generally fought better opponents than Hatton but not at 140. So until then i cant put him higher.

Is this another thread to get boxingscene to recognize Hatton as the man to beat at 140lbs?

Cuz if it is, WE AGREE ALREADY!

You can stop now.

I think the topics good but it was always going to be a Corrales vs Castillo, Hatton vs Mayweather or Lacy vs Calzaghe debate.

ok its decent but..
Calzaghe and Lacy really need to fight.
Light Middle Weight i give it to winky
and Hatton over Floyd are you insane ???
now dont give me the brit hater thing im really being neutral here. i love how hatton fights but him over Floyd not yet man.

El Jefe nailed it.

No discussion necessary.

Heavyweight - Vitali Klitscho
Cruiserweight - Jean-Marc Mormeck
Light Heavyweight - Antonio Tarver
Super-Middleweight - Joe Calzaghe
Middleweight - Jermain Taylor
Light-Middleweight - Vacant
Welterweight - Zab Judah
Light-Welterweight - Ricky Hatton
Lightweight - Diego Corrales
Super-Featherweight - Marco Antonio Barrera
Featherweight - Juan Manuel Marquez
Super-Bantamweight - Oscar Larios
Bantamweight - Rafael Marquez

Would you guys say that this is fair? :dunno:
super mddlweight i could c lacy, or vacant
light welter should be vacant
super featherweight is morales by far. cuz barrera taking on **** nobodys, and morales n pac fighting each other, regardless of the belt