Well Nautilus Vitali won my boy Danny Williams and now i shall honour my side of the bet. It was fun rivalry while it lasted, maybe Audley will jump up the rankings to fight Vitali next. :eek: ............. Or maybe not :D Thats the end of British World Heavyweight Championship hopes for awhile now, it's kinda sad in away. We had Lennox for all those years and kinda got spoilt in many ways, i really hoped Danny could do it and was convinced that he would. I admired his bravery in the ring last night, it would have been easy to quit and get paid for it but he didn't and fought on. I hope some of you people who dislike Danny at least give him the respect he deserves as a fighter and the bravery he showed last night. Anyone can have opinions on things but to actually call a fellow fighter a bum who risks his life by entering the ring and been couragous would be rather insulting. It's something i try to avoid doing now because if i was in that position i would hate people thinking that of me. I'm happy Vitali won as i kinda like him in away which is scary :eek: Obviously not because he has a really exciting style but because he is really dedicated to the sport and takes the championship seriously. You can tell he is not just here for the money and that goes along way in my mind. I still think Vitali is beatable and i still think he will get exposed in the near future but i wish him all the best and a long successful reign as heavyweight champion. :cool:

Wez...............

Well Nautilus Vitali won my boy Danny Williams and now i shall honour my side of the bet. It was fun rivalry while it lasted, maybe Audley will jump up the rankings to fight Vitali next. :eek: ............. Or maybe not :D Thats the end of British World Heavyweight Championship hopes for awhile now, it's kinda sad in away. We had Lennox for all those years and kinda got spoilt in many ways, i really hoped Danny could do it and was convinced that he would. I admired his bravery in the ring last night, it would have been easy to quit and get paid for it but he didn't and fought on. I hope some of you people who dislike Danny at least give him the respect he deserves as a fighter and the bravery he showed last night. Anyone can have opinions on things but to actually call a fellow fighter a bum who risks his life by entering the ring and been couragous would be rather insulting. It's something i try to avoid doing now because if i was in that position i would hate people thinking that of me. I'm happy Vitali won as i kinda like him in away which is scary :eek: Obviously not because he has a really exciting style but because he is really dedicated to the sport and takes the championship seriously. You can tell he is not just here for the money and that goes along way in my mind. I still think Vitali is beatable and i still think he will get exposed in the near future but i wish him all the best and a long successful reign as heavyweight champion. :cool:

Wez...............
Come on, man. England has whom to be proud - Lewis the great champion. Outside of any doubts one of the best in a history of boxing. And to the Danny vainly assigned so much hopes. I personally did not give him almost any chances. That happened today absolutely predictedly. From the beginning it was clear, that the Danny, as well as the Audley, the future of the Lennox does not wait.

Come on, man. England has whom to be proud - Lewis the great champion. Outside of any doubts one of the best in a history of boxing. And to the Danny vainly assigned so much hopes. I personally did not give him almost any chances. That happened today absolutely predictedly. From the beginning it was clear, that the Danny, as well as the Audley, the future of the Lennox does not wait.

I had high hopes Danny could do it for us in my heart. I bet with my heart on fights like this and one day i will be correct. If i would have been betting purely on boxing knowledge then it would be Vitali but it's nice to believe in that gut feeling you have and thats what i did this fight.

Well Nautilus Vitali won my boy Danny Williams and now i shall honour my side of the bet. It was fun rivalry while it lasted, maybe Audley will jump up the rankings to fight Vitali next. :eek: ............. Or maybe not :D Thats the end of British World Heavyweight Championship hopes for awhile now, it's kinda sad in away. We had Lennox for all those years and kinda got spoilt in many ways, i really hoped Danny could do it and was convinced that he would. I admired his bravery in the ring last night, it would have been easy to quit and get paid for it but he didn't and fought on. I hope some of you people who dislike Danny at least give him the respect he deserves as a fighter and the bravery he showed last night. Anyone can have opinions on things but to actually call a fellow fighter a bum who risks his life by entering the ring and been couragous would be rather insulting. It's something i try to avoid doing now because if i was in that position i would hate people thinking that of me. I'm happy Vitali won as i kinda like him in away which is scary :eek: Obviously not because he has a really exciting style but because he is really dedicated to the sport and takes the championship seriously. You can tell he is not just here for the money and that goes along way in my mind. I still think Vitali is beatable and i still think he will get exposed in the near future but i wish him all the best and a long successful reign as heavyweight champion. :cool:

Wez...............


.......I give Danny respect for taking that beating and still coming on. I thought his corner was overly rough on him with comments like "don't quit on us" and "come on man your children are watching at home". He was doing his best and his corner was degrading him instead of building him up.

I give him credit for the energy he digged so deep to find to throw those haymakers.....

That was some savage beating. I avtually felt bad when I was looking at Danny in afterfight interview. It kinda reminded me of Joppy's face(afte B-Hop fight) mixed with Erik Moraleses face(M-B 3). props to Danny for sustaining so much punishment and showing heart after every KD. Lets hope he does not have brain damage :(

I give him credit for the energy he digged so deep to find to throw those haymakers.....

Williams seems short on talent, but high on heart. Who else does that sound like? I hope Vince McMahon was watching and can set this one up for Wrestlemania in March...

DANNY WILLIAMS, human punching bag who shocked Tyson

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1625000/images/_1628934_williams300.jpg

VS

MICK FOLEY, hardcore legend

http://img71.exs.cx/img71/6008/aa2bi.jpg

Williams vs. Foley? Leave me out. Awful idea.

I still think Williams is good enough to bash up Ruiz, Brewster and Byrd. Vitali is just a league above everyone.

Williams is now officially the answer to a trivia question.

Lol...Cactus Jack

Come on, man. England has whom to be proud - Lewis the great champion. Outside of any doubts one of the best in a history of boxing. And to the Danny vainly assigned so much hopes. I personally did not give him almost any chances. That happened today absolutely predictedly. From the beginning it was clear, that the Danny, as well as the Audley, the future of the Lennox does not wait.

Lennox Lewis is a huge *****, as could be seen yesterday during the telecast. He still hangs on to the notion he beat Vitali, when Klitschko was ahead on all scorecards and wobbled him several times in the early rounds. Vitali Klitschko retired Lennox Lewis and is not going to get a rematch because LL is not a man of his word. This is what really should put BRitain to shame, not Danny Williams valiant effort yesterday, that man has 5x more heart the Lennox Lewis will ever have.

WTF??? Lennox ain't no ***** and thats the truth. He gave Vitali a shot in the first place which he should be grateful for. Lennox won that fight plain and simple. Yes he was having a hard time but he did bust Vitali's face up with the punches that did land. I was a good fight while it lasted but Lennox had proven everything he needed to in his career. Even if Vitali did have Lennox's number if they would have fought again why the hell should Lennox risk ruining his legacy so close to the end of his career. His retirement was well deserved and well timed. He finished as champion.

WTF??? Lennox ain't no ***** and thats the truth. He gave Vitali a shot in the first place which he should be grateful for. Lennox won that fight plain and simple. Yes he was having a hard time but he did bust Vitali's face up with the punches that did land. I was a good fight while it lasted but Lennox had proven everything he needed to in his career. Even if Vitali did have Lennox's number if they would have fought again why the hell should Lennox risk ruining his legacy so close to the end of his career. His retirement was well deserved and well timed. He finished as champion.

I agree. He gave Vitaly a shot in a first place. He was right about retiring. He felt that he does not have the fuel to keep on and left. Smart choise for Lennox. And by the way he did beat Vitaly. In an ugly way I know but still it was a victory. But Vitaly is not the same fighter he was in 2003. Hey, he is not the same fighter since his last fight.

Well Nautilus Vitali won my boy Danny Williams and now i shall honour my side of the bet. It was fun rivalry while it lasted, maybe Audley will jump up the rankings to fight Vitali next. :eek: ............. Or maybe not :D Thats the end of British World Heavyweight Championship hopes for awhile now, it's kinda sad in away. We had Lennox for all those years and kinda got spoilt in many ways, i really hoped Danny could do it and was convinced that he would. I admired his bravery in the ring last night, it would have been easy to quit and get paid for it but he didn't and fought on. I hope some of you people who dislike Danny at least give him the respect he deserves as a fighter and the bravery he showed last night. Anyone can have opinions on things but to actually call a fellow fighter a bum who risks his life by entering the ring and been couragous would be rather insulting. It's something i try to avoid doing now because if i was in that position i would hate people thinking that of me. I'm happy Vitali won as i kinda like him in away which is scary :eek: Obviously not because he has a really exciting style but because he is really dedicated to the sport and takes the championship seriously. You can tell he is not just here for the money and that goes along way in my mind. I still think Vitali is beatable and i still think he will get exposed in the near future but i wish him all the best and a long successful reign as heavyweight champion. :cool:

Wez...............




Don't feel bad Wez...You had all those great years with Lennox Lewis as your champion, The British Lion brought pride to Britain. It's just the passing of the torch man, the passing of the torch. It happens to everyone. Peace.

Don't feel bad Wez...You had all those great years with Lennox Lewis as your champion, The British Lion brought pride to Britain. It's just the passing of the torch man, the passing of the torch. It happens to everyone. Peace.

Hey what a very nice post man, the respect you show is appreciated very much. :cool:

Stay cool,
Wez

Well Nautilus Vitali won my boy Danny Williams and now i shall honour my side of the bet. It was fun rivalry while it lasted, maybe Audley will jump up the rankings to fight Vitali next. :eek: ............. Or maybe not Thats the end of British World Heavyweight Championship hopes for awhile now, it's kinda sad in away. We had Lennox for all those years and kinda got spoilt in many ways, i really hoped Danny could do it and was convinced that he would. I admired his bravery in the ring last night, it would have been easy to quit and get paid for it but he didn't and fought on. I hope some of you people who dislike Danny at least give him the respect he deserves as a fighter and the bravery he showed last night. Anyone can have opinions on things but to actually call a fellow fighter a bum who risks his life by entering the ring and been couragous would be rather insulting. It's something i try to avoid doing now because if i was in that position i would hate people thinking that of me. I'm happy Vitali won as i kinda like him in away which is scary :eek: Obviously not because he has a really exciting style but because he is really dedicated to the sport and takes the championship seriously. You can tell he is not just here for the money and that goes along way in my mind. I still think Vitali is beatable and i still think he will get exposed in the near future but i wish him all the best and a long successful reign as heavyweight champion.

Wez...............



Hi Wez,

Without a question, Danny has a great heart and he deserves a lot of respect for the way he fought. :)

Now, who said that the British crown is over? Vitaliy is kind of British because he speaks with an accent which is kind of British. :D

It is all fun any way. You do not have to pay me anything too.

Hi Wez,

Without a question, Danny has a great heart and he deserves a lot of respect for the way he fought. :)

Now, who said that the British crown is over. Vitaliy is kind of British because he speaks with an accent which is kind of British. :D

It is all fun any way. You do not have to pay me anything too.

Hi Nautilus, i will pay you as i am a man of my word.

Danny does deserve respect and he has earned it very much, Vitali dealt out a nasty beating. I have a feeling Vitali have a good reign as champion but i do still feel someone will expose a weakness in him and capitalise on it. It definatly won't be the likes of Ruiz, Pooster or Byrd though. You need power to be respected by the big man is one thing i have noticed. When Sanders hurt him he backed off and didn't throw punches back.

:D We Brits aren't that desperate to claim a champion because he speaks with a kinda British accent.

Hi Nautilus, i will pay you as i am a man of my word.

Danny does deserve respect and he has earned it very much, Vitali dealt out a nasty beating. I have a feeling Vitali have a good reign as champion but i do still feel someone will expose a weakness in him and capitalise on it. It definatly won't be the likes of Ruiz, Pooster or Byrd though. You need power to be respected by the big man is one thing i have noticed. When Sanders hurt him he backed off and didn't throw punches back.

:D We Brits aren't that desperate to claim a champion because he speaks with a kinda British accent.

It would make a nice change to having one with a Candadian accent though! :D

:D We Brits aren't that desperate to claim a champion because he speaks with a kinda British accent.

you mean you did not want to claim Lennox as a champ? :D :p

It would make a nice change to having one with a Candadian accent though! :D

lol. I was waiting for a comment like that.

you mean you did not want to claim Lennox as a champ? :D :p

:D Not you too! lol

WTF was wrong with Williams?

I'm not sure but it must have been his weight, nerves or over training!! Something was seriously wrong because he was so slow, lazy and didnt throw any of the power shots/combos we all know he can.

I didnt really have an opinion before this fight but after watching it i'd say the Williams who turned up for the Tyson fight would have beaten Klitchko!!

I give Klitchko full credit for the win, i'm not trying to take anything away from him because he's very good at what he does. I cant remember the last time i watched a fighter with worst skills but i cant see anyone taking his title any time soon.

WTF was wrong with Williams?

I'm not sure but it must have been his weight, nerves or over training!! Something was seriously wrong because he was so slow, lazy and didnt throw any of the power shots/combos we all know he can.

I didnt really have an opinion before this fight but after watching it i'd say the Williams who turned up for the Tyson fight would have beaten Klitchko!!

I give Klitchko full credit for the win, i'm not trying to take anything away from him because he's very good at what he does. I cant remember the last time i watched a fighter with worst skills but i cant see anyone taking his title any time soon.

I've not seen the fight because I can't get Sky TV at my new pad :mad: but it doesn't sound like Williams did too much in the way of offence. He has good skills for a big guy and I was expecting the same as you so maybe he just went into survival mode after getting shaken in the 1st?

WTF was wrong with Williams?

I'm not sure but it must have been his weight, nerves or over training!! Something was seriously wrong because he was so slow, lazy and didnt throw any of the power shots/combos we all know he can.

I didnt really have an opinion before this fight but after watching it i'd say the Williams who turned up for the Tyson fight would have beaten Klitchko!!

I give Klitchko full credit for the win, i'm not trying to take anything away from him because he's very good at what he does. I cant remember the last time i watched a fighter with worst skills but i cant see anyone taking his title any time soon.


hmm ... was it beacuse Danny came in overweight? :D

WTF was wrong with Williams?

I'm not sure but it must have been his weight, nerves or over training!! Something was seriously wrong because he was so slow, lazy and didnt throw any of the power shots/combos we all know he can.

I didnt really have an opinion before this fight but after watching it i'd say the Williams who turned up for the Tyson fight would have beaten Klitchko!!

I give Klitchko full credit for the win, i'm not trying to take anything away from him because he's very good at what he does. I cant remember the last time i watched a fighter with worst skills but i cant see anyone taking his title any time soon.

I just think Vitali had his number all along after seeing the fight. Vitali must intimidate fighters in some way when reality finally kicks in when he is standing in front of them. He is a huge guy and well built with it too. He hasn't got the best skills so he utilises his patience and intelligence to break people down. I was disappointed to see Danny lose this fight as before i really thought he could win in my heart. I think going in heavy is what ruined his chances on the night. Vitali is a stiff puncher straight puncher and not having great mobility is bad too. Very upsetting indeed but at least Danny gained the respect of many from his heartfelt performance.

Williams did too much in the way of offence.


Vitaliy simply did NOT let him !

"I didnt really have an opinion before this fight but after watching it i'd say the Williams who turned up for the Tyson fight would have beaten Klitchko!!" Please tell me you are ****ing kidding, if not just add him to Lennox, Corrie, and Kirk as another fighter who coincidentally had a bad night against Vitali. There is a reason these guys are coming in heavier against Vitali its because the man is 6'7" 250, and there is also a reason EVERY fighter looks bad against Vitali he's awkward and powerful that is a bad combination if you're fighting him.

Vitaliy simply did NOT let him !

Possibly, but I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it :)

Possibly, but I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it :)


...but you stated an opinion without watching the fight

...but you stated an opinion without watching the fight

No, I stated that I hadn't seen the fight and was offering a possibility to Elveiel's question. Have another read of my post.

Williams went in there to get KTFO. He didnt look physically or mentally ready. Too bad.

If it werent for Nautilus, I'd post that I'm very sorry to hear about his loss. I still am cause I know another British champ was important to the Brits and he seemed like their last chance (for a while atleast). I havent seen the fight yet, but atleast it sounds like he showed massive heart and never gave up even when things got a little rough. Maybe he can go back to the 'drawing board' and regroup and work his way back up to another shot...stranger things have happened!

If it werent for Nautilus, I'd post that I'm very sorry to hear about his loss. I still am cause I know another British champ was important to the Brits and he seemed like their last chance (for a while atleast). I havent seen the fight yet, but atleast it sounds like he showed massive heart and never gave up even when things got a little rough. Maybe he can go back to the 'drawing board' and regroup and work his way back up to another shot...stranger things have happened!

He may have not given up physically but he had given up mentally since the fight started.

If it werent for Nautilus, I'd post that I'm very sorry to hear about his loss. I still am cause I know another British champ was important to the Brits and he seemed like their last chance (for a while atleast). I havent seen the fight yet, but atleast it sounds like he showed massive heart and never gave up even when things got a little rough. Maybe he can go back to the 'drawing board' and regroup and work his way back up to another shot...stranger things have happened!

I hope he does because he would have a decent chance against the other champs.

He may have not given up physically but he had given up mentally since the fight started.


not true



,

Williams seems short on talent, but high on heart.Danny has talent, but wasn't given chance to show it. Not only was he stunned and off-form, but the height differential was too much.

More importantly, Klitschko neutralised him effectively... that's why he's heavy weight champion of the world after all

I hope he does because he would have a decent chance against the other champs.

That's what I was thinking...start with Ruiz, Byrd, etc...then maybe work his way back up to Vitali again??

That's what I was thinking...start with Ruiz, Byrd, etc...then maybe work his way back up to Vitali again??

Yeah, not sure about Vitali again though. Maybe he could practice on his brother :D

Yeah, not sure about Vitali again though. Maybe he could practice on his brother :D

OUCH! Maybe so...

I hope he does because he would have a decent chance against the other champs.

I think Williams is a very good heavy, IMO he's the most skilled of the big heavys(250lb +).

Williams at his best is world class, Williams at his worst is a joke.

I dont care what anyone's says, there was something wrong with Williams. Maybe its because he came into heavy, the guys never going to be as strong as Klitchko even if he weighs 350lbs!! i think Williams planned to match Klitchko for strength, found out in the first 10 secs that he couldnt and lost his nerve, he lost a lot of hand speed with all that weight so there was no way he could beat Klitchko.

I think he could still improve too. He's still fairly young for a HW and he wouldn't be the 1st to reach his prime in his mid-30's. I think he could move up a level through fighting more world class opponents.

..and no chance of Amir Khan fighting heavyweight either eh? :D

..and no chance of Amir Khan fighting heavyweight either eh? :D

lol. Maybe if he get's in touch with Toney's dietician! :D

lol. Maybe if he get's in touch with Toney's dietician! :D

Yeah, i know them guys.

Mr Mcdonalds and Mr KFC.

Yeah, i know them guys.

Mr Mcdonalds and Mr KFC.

haha. I think they've got an office in Bolton.

..and no chance of Amir Khan fighting heavyweight either eh? :D

There was a very good british amateur fighter but something went wrong!! Audley Harrison.

Lennox Lewis is a huge *****, as could be seen yesterday during the telecast. He still hangs on to the notion he beat Vitali, when Klitschko was ahead on all scorecards and wobbled him several times in the early rounds. Vitali Klitschko retired Lennox Lewis and is not going to get a rematch because LL is not a man of his word. This is what really should put BRitain to shame, not Danny Williams valiant effort yesterday, that man has 5x more heart the Lennox Lewis will ever have.
What we have? The person without heart has victory against the best heavywieght present time.:)
It is not necessary to me to tell about the second round and about " ahead on all scorecards ". He did not expect such pressure and such successful attacks from Vitaly. Vitaly managed to surprise him. But we remember all, that to Vitaly could not fall down the guy though he rendered the best punches. We as remember, that has made Lennox with his face (Klitschko after fight within one week spoke, that it was headbud; until has looked record of fight). All of us remember, how during that fight Lennox studied a manner of conducting fight of Vitaly; for this purpose it is enough to recollect the sixth round - when after missed punch of the Lewis in a temple Vitaly has hung on him to not fall; and this proceeded up to the end of a round after which fight have stopped.
Epilogue (that we have at the moment of a stop of fight):
1) Vitaly who after missed punch has a condition close to a knockdown (maybe knockout) and tries very much do not let go Lennox from the embraces.
2) Lewis which studied a manner of conducting fight of the opponent and almost him has sent on canvas.
3) Face of the Vit which has the biggest cut which I ever saw.
4) Completely healthy (without cuts) Lennox.
So...;)

Vitali retired Lennox
You age of him recollect better. We shall look at Vitaly at this age.;) In a history of boxing only two persons were more the senior champions. He already repeatedly spoke, that last whom he wants to beat - Tyson. He has do it in 2002. So there is nothing surprising, that he has left a ring after fight with Vitaly. He has acted correctly - for this purpose to recollect Holy enough.
Otherwise the future of the Holy could wait for him. But Lennox is much cleverer, than Evander.
:)

the thing that makes VK so good is not that fun to watch. that might be why there are still so many haters.
many times a boxer has an awesome style that tears up the competition and is fun to watch. they rock people's heads like tyson, or bearhug like ruiz. the point is... a locked in style ALWAYS has a downfall or way of getting beat. so they may attract crowds, they may make money, and they may win.. but some day a smart trainer will have their number.

VK on the other hand doesn't look so exciting and wild like many want. RATHER, he is a smart man. SO his game plan is to out think the other fighter, make adjustments and WIN. this normally doesn't look good watching a fight, BUT it's impossible to prepare against. considering his size, mentality, and elusiveness, it's a great package..

and when people say "so and so in their prime" could knock out VK... well that's possible, but REMEMBER.. VK would could and would use a different reactionary tactic for each figher he fights.

just my thoughts.
Pno

I think Williams is a very good heavy, IMO he's the most skilled of the big heavys(250lb +).

Williams at his best is world class, Williams at his worst is a joke.

I dont care what anyone's says, there was something wrong with Williams. Maybe its because he came into heavy, the guys never going to be as strong as Klitchko even if he weighs 350lbs!! i think Williams planned to match Klitchko for strength, found out in the first 10 secs that he couldnt and lost his nerve, he lost a lot of hand speed with all that weight so there was no way he could beat Klitchko.


sorry, but Vitali simply is a far better boxer than Danny and he did not let Danny do anything

goes to show that control of the fight is very important!

sorry, but Vitali simply is a far better boxer than Danny and he did not let Danny do anything

You cant be serious, Klitchko is one of the worst "boxers" i have ever seen wear that title, he's far more effective than Williams, thats why he won the fight but the guy has little or no skills and the main reason he does well is because of his natural advantages.

Putting national preference aside, i'd rather Klitchko be champ more than any other heavy. i would like to say Klitchko is a text book boxer with great skills but in truth he's a big clumsy lumberjack who doesnt like to be punched.

wow, boxing must really suck according to your version.

the best fighter in the world doesn't even have skills... looks like any lumberjack can come in and beat up on a bunch of so called skilled professionals :)

rather, allow me to offer this proposal:
one of boxing's most IMPORTANT skills is INTELLEGENCE... ie being smart in the ring concerning your developing strategy... and VK is the best at that, sooo.... does he have boxing skill or not?

its pretty sad if danny was britains last hope
what ever happened to audley harrison
that fools massive and knows how to box

its pretty sad if danny was britains last hope
what ever happened to audley harrison
that fools massive and knows how to box

You're right, it is sad but it's true unless Audley starts showing something against decent fighters. At this point in time I'd be surprised if Audley went 6 rounds with Danny.

wow, boxing must really suck according to your version.

the best fighter in the world doesn't even have skills... looks like any lumberjack can come in and beat up on a bunch of so called skilled professionals :)

rather, allow me to offer this proposal:
one of boxing's most IMPORTANT skills is INTELLEGENCE... ie being smart in the ring concerning your developing strategy... and VK is the best at that, sooo.... does he have boxing skill or not?

I have never seen a different Klitchko game plan, his strategy has been the same since he turned pro, infact i bet its been the same since he first laced a glove up! Klitchko master plan is to let you size and power advantages do the work for you.

Klitchko is far from the best fighter in the world, he may be the best heavy but he's no way near as talented as Tszyu, Mayweather, etc.

I give Klitchko full credit for using what natural abilitys he has in the best possible way, so if you class knowing your strengths and weaknesses as skill, then Klitchko is the most skillful fighter in the world.

its pretty sad if danny was britains last hope
what ever happened to audley harrison
that fools massive and knows how to box

Audley Harrison needs to prove himself more but hopefully he will shine through as the future contender for British Heavyweight boxing. :eek:

Pretty bleak at the moment saying that Audley is the future of British Heavyweight boxing. :D We have a guy called Matt Skelton but i don't reckon much to him.

Audley Harrison needs to prove himself more but hopefully he will shine through as the future contender for British Heavyweight boxing. :eek:

Pretty bleak at the moment saying that Audley is the future of British Heavyweight boxing. :D We have a guy called Matt Skelton but i don't reckon much to him.

I dont reckon much to Skelton buts the guys a monster!!

Even though he lacks the skills, i think he can step up and do something before he retires.

well the outcome was exactly what i thought it would be, vitali dominated the whole fight, but i give williams credit for fighting with heart and not out there just for a check. now vitali needs to take out ruiz.

of course i was only speaking of HW fighters, since weights dont intermingle. VK is the best HW fighter at the present time.

knowing your strengths and weaknesses is probably the best attribute of a fighter. otherwise how can you utilize your strengths and protect your weaknesses?

it seems like you're saying that vk's weakness is he has no boxing skills.. but he's the best HW fighter right now, it just doesn't make any sense.

I think that DW, and the other fighters who lost to VK would say that he does have at least some boxing skills..

I dont reckon much to Skelton buts the guys a monster!!

Even though he lacks the skills, i think he can step up and do something before he retires.

I hope Skelton does do something otherwise it's all on Audrey...... :eek: eh i mean Audley. :D

I hope Skelton does do something otherwise it's all on Audrey...... eh i mean Audley.


I LMAO when Hide calls him Audrey!

I dont think Harrison has the power to do things at world level, i'm hoping he comes back with some but its doubtful, at least i'd like to see him come back with some ambition.


Sorry to say this Wez but Skeltons our best hope :eek: Unless big John McDerrmott goes on a diet!! :o :D

I LMAO when Hide calls him Audrey!

I dont think Harrison has the power to do things at world level, i'm hoping he comes back with some but its doubtful, at least i'd like to him comes back with some ambition.


Sorry to say this Wez but Skeltons our best hope :eek: Unless big John McDerrmott goes on a diet!!

Now i feel like crying :eek: Skelton our only hope in the Heavyweights, thats some baaaaaaaaaaaaaad ****.

lol. Nevermind John McDerrmott, why don't we call Henry Cooper out of retirement :p

Seriously though i'm keeping my fingers crossed for Audley and will support him. I'm enrolled as a Audley fan. :cool:

Now i feel like crying :eek: Skelton our only hope in the Heavyweights, thats some baaaaaaaaaaaaaad ****.

lol. Nevermind John McDerrmott, why don't we call Henry Cooper out of retirement :p

Seriously though i'm keeping my fingers crossed for Audley and will support him. I'm enrolled as a Audley fan. :cool:

What's Gary Mason upto these days :D

What's Gary Mason upto these days :D

Gary Mason the Jamaican lol. Didn't Lennox beat him bad? :D What happened to him?

Gary Mason the Jamaican lol. Didn't Lennox beat him bad? :D What happened to him?

Terrific fighter :p I've seen him commentating from time to time. Lennox trashed him for the British title and knackered his retinas if I recall correctly.

Terrific fighter :p I've seen him commentating from time to time. Lennox trashed him for the British title and knackered his retinas if I recall correctly.

Thats some bad ****, Lennox was such a tough champion. I appreciate the fighter he was more and more when i see the active Heavyweights of today at world level. Lamon Brewster wouldn't even be good enough to be a sparring partner of Lennox. :D

Thats some bad ****, Lennox was such a tough champion. I appreciate the fighter he was more and more when i see the active Heavyweights of today at world level. Lamon Brewster wouldn't even be good enough to be a sparring partner of Lennox. :D

I know and I won't even watch the HW's now unless there's a special interest for me. I could never totally warm to Lennox because of his style and personality but he earned my total respect.

I know and I won't even watch the HW's now unless there's a special interest for me. I could never totally warm to Lennox because of his style and personality but he earned my total respect.

What bugged you with his style? Was it because of his cautiousness?

What we have? The person without heart has victory against the best heavywieght present time.:)
It is not necessary to me to tell about the second round and about " ahead on all scorecards ". He did not expect such pressure and such successful attacks from Vitaly. Vitaly managed to surprise him. But we remember all, that to Vitaly could not fall down the guy though he rendered the best punches. We as remember, that has made Lennox with his face (Klitschko after fight within one week spoke, that it was headbud; until has looked record of fight). All of us remember, how during that fight Lennox studied a manner of conducting fight of Vitaly; for this purpose it is enough to recollect the sixth round - when after missed punch of the Lewis in a temple Vitaly has hung on him to not fall; and this proceeded up to the end of a round after which fight have stopped.
Epilogue (that we have at the moment of a stop of fight):
1) Vitaly who after missed punch has a condition close to a knockdown (maybe knockout) and tries very much do not let go Lennox from the embraces.
2) Lewis which studied a manner of conducting fight of the opponent and almost him has sent on canvas.
3) Face of the Vit which has the biggest cut which I ever saw.
4) Completely healthy (without cuts) Lennox.
So...;)


You age of him recollect better. We shall look at Vitaly at this age.;) In a history of boxing only two persons were more the senior champions. He already repeatedly spoke, that last whom he wants to beat - Tyson. He has do it in 2002. So there is nothing surprising, that he has left a ring after fight with Vitaly. He has acted correctly - for this purpose to recollect Holy enough.
Otherwise the future of the Holy could wait for him. But Lennox is much cleverer, than Evander.
:)







Dude, the sixth round came to a close with LL on the ropes and VK hitting him with lefts and rights, look at the fight Again. I had this debate with the great one, there is no round in that fight that you can say LL was in complete control, maybe a couple were close, but even in the last round, with his face busted up, VK still dominated the round with exception of the one uppercut that LL landed. LL showed no signs of dominating that fight through six rounds.

What bugged you with his style? Was it because of his cautiousness?

That's exactly what it was Wez. You can't really blame him for not wanting to get hit but I do like to see a good tear up and it was pretty rare to see him trading toe to toe.

danny was totally ougunned outclassed and beaten.

but it was no disgrace i was proud of him showing that much heart , i was actually shouting for him to stay down after the 3rd knockdown it was painful to watch.

Best ive seen vitali he excuted his gamplan to a tee and looked a class apart.

hatton looked world class and it was a great atmposhere, oh well, kudos to vitali but Danny got no chance to execute any sort of gameplan, Vitali was teeing off on him as son as Danny got put down. Id like to see Danny go for one of the lesser champs lamopn brewster no rematch for gods sake, it wa sa pounbding.

I didnt see the fight but i think i have a valid opinion
Danny Williams 19 stone 4pounds and the guy is only 6'1 what was he carrying all that excess weight for. Primo Canera(not sure abt spelling) atleast had height. Max Baer the naturally smaller man still Knocked him down 11 times in a brutal fight.
He simply came in too heavy. When that weight was called i knew he had no chance.
Much respect to his heart though.

Dude, the sixth round came to a close with LL on the ropes and VK hitting him with lefts and rights, look at the fight Again..... even in the last round, with his face busted up, VK still dominated the round with exception of the one uppercut that LL landed.
"Dude", sixth round came to a close with Vit which after missed right hook has embraced the Lewis and did not release him up to the end (save by a bell). Lennox very much tried to push away him from himself, but Vitaly very strongly seized him:), that Lewis has failed in it. It was thirteen seconds prior to the end of a round. Before (20 seconds prior to the end of a round) really there was Vitaly`s left-right combination which did not render on Lewis absolute any effect.
So we see, that right uppercut were not one strong punch which has missed by Vit.


I had this debate with the great one, there is no round in that fight that you can say LL was in complete control, maybe a couple were close, but..... LL showed no signs of dominating that fight through six rounds.
You as I understand, big fan to count points in fight. Actually it is normal. But is not necessary to go in cycles on it, when fight not spend all distance, and especialy when the initiative passes from one to another. Try to recollect the first fight between Leonard and Hearns. First five rounds Thomas has won. For this time Ray not only study a manner of conducting fight but as has managed enough to exhaust Hearns. result - has won by knockout. In the future remember this.
By the way all of the judge have unanimously given last round to Lewis.
Also do not overlook, that the judge estimate not only quantity of punches, but also their quality (an example - DLH and Mosley-2). Vitaly's punches did not make any serious effect on the opponent in the sixth a round, as against punchs of Lennox.
I did not assert, that the Englishman had overwhelming superiority (Vitaly too had no such advantage - except the second round), but Lennox in sixth round (after which fight have stopped) has put the most successful attacks during all fight. And how they have worked on Vitaly? For this purpose you look fight more attentively.;)

That's exactly what it was Wez. You can't really blame him for not wanting to get hit but I do like to see a good tear up and it was pretty rare to see him trading toe to toe.

He was very sensible indeed, thats what most boxing fans problems were with Lennox. He used to be more go out for war in the earlier days but after getting ko'd by McCall he went more cautious which was very wise in my opinion. He managed to hold off and outbox the Terminator for 12 rounds without getting hurt which is good.

danny was totally ougunned outclassed and beaten.

but it was no disgrace i was proud of him showing that much heart , i was actually shouting for him to stay down after the 3rd knockdown it was painful to watch.

Best ive seen vitali he excuted his gamplan to a tee and looked a class apart.

hatton looked world class and it was a great atmposhere, oh well, kudos to vitali but Danny got no chance to execute any sort of gameplan, Vitali was teeing off on him as son as Danny got put down. Id like to see Danny go for one of the lesser champs lamopn brewster no rematch for gods sake, it wa sa pounbding.


Poor Danny man, i really thought he could do it. :( I'm glad that fans worldwide respect him more after seeing his couragous efforts to hang in their and not quit. I agree that it would be nice to se him fight one of the other guys because Vitali is obviously a marginal step above all the rest. Pooster or Ruiz are prime potential victims for Dannyboy. :D

He was very sensible indeed, thats what most boxing fans problems were with Lennox. He used to be more go out for war in the earlier days but after getting ko'd by McCall he went more cautious which was very wise in my opinion. He managed to hold off and outbox the Terminator for 12 rounds without getting hurt which is good.

Yeah, he went away and thought long and hard about what he needed to do after that fight. He came back with a style of fighting that was too good for everyone out there which is why he got my respect. He did still excite at times so maybe I'm too hard to please :D

Yeah, he went away and thought long and hard about what he needed to do after that fight. He came back with a style of fighting that was too good for everyone out there which is why he got my respect. He did still excite at times so maybe I'm too hard to please :D

Remember the Golota fight when everyone thought it was going to be tough and he destroyed him in a round. lol. I miss the good old days. I liked the way he beat Ruddock and destroyed Frans Botha. The second Rahman fight was amazing too, seeing Lennox very focused and in shape was amazing. What was your favourite Lennox fight?

Remember the Golota fight when everyone thought it was going to be tough and he destroyed him in a round. lol. I miss the good old days. I liked the way he beat Ruddock and destroyed Frans Botha. The second Rahman fight was amazing too, seeing Lennox very focused and in shape was amazing. What was your favourite Lennox fight?

Those were the fights I was thinking of when i wrote the post. That look on Golota's face was fantastic :D

Those were the fights I was thinking of when i wrote the post. That look on Golota's face was fantastic :D

It was, he didn't know WTF had happened. lol. Golota was rated very high at that point in time after his fights with Bowe. I guess Lennox didn't want to take any chances with Golota since he liked punching people in the nuts. :D Bowe is another fighter i miss very much, he burned out way before his time.

It was, he didn't know WTF had happened. lol. Golota was rated very high at that point in time after his fights with Bowe. I guess Lennox didn't want to take any chances with Golota since he liked punching people in the nuts. :D Bowe is another fighter i miss very much, he burned out way before his time.

Golota should have been a lot better than he was,the friggin' headcase :D , and Bowe was a great fighter at his best. I'd find it difficult to call it between him and Lewis.

Golota should have been a lot better than he was,the friggin' headcase :D , and Bowe was a great fighter at his best. I'd find it difficult to call it between him and Lewis.

I know, Golota had those fights in the bag. :confused:

Bowe was great at his best, his trilogy with Holyfield was amazing. I also loved when he beat Herbie Hide for the WBO. :D A call between him and Lennox is very very tough indeed, it always takes lot of thinking on my behalf because when i'm about to say who i change my mind. Would definatly have had the potenital to be the biggest and best heavyweight fight of the 90's bar none. Tyson-Bowe would have been nice too. :D

I know, Golota had those fights in the bag. :confused:

Bowe was great at his best, his trilogy with Holyfield was amazing. I also loved when he beat Herbie Hide for the WBO. :D A call between him and Lennox is very very tough indeed, it always takes lot of thinking on my behalf because when i'm about to say who i change my mind. Would definatly have had the potenital to be the biggest and best heavyweight fight of the 90's bar none. Tyson-Bowe would have been nice too. :D

That Hide fight was like watching a kid play with his Action-Man :D

That reminds me...I need to get hold of that trilogy, it was awesome.

That Hide fight was like watching a kid play with his Action-Man :D

That reminds me...I need to get hold of that trilogy, it was awesome.

:D You do need to get hold of that trilogy, all those fights were awesome. The third is one i'll never forget purely because when you thought Holyfield was beat he came back and put the big man on the canvas for the first time in his career. Actually he did that in all of the fights apart from the second he won.

:D You do need to get hold of that trilogy, all those fights were awesome. The third is one i'll never forget purely because when you thought Holyfield was beat he came back and put the big man on the canvas for the first time in his career. Actually he did that in all of the fights apart from the second he won.

Yeah, if you wanted to show someone what Holyfield is all about you'd make them watch those fights.

Yeah, if you wanted to show someone what Holyfield is all about you'd make them watch those fights.

Most deinatly man, amazing fights. I would show the first Holyfield-Tyson fight too, he was truely amazing Holyfield.

Most deinatly man, amazing fights. I would show the first Holyfield-Tyson fight too, he was truely amazing Holyfield.

Too amazing for his own good. I can't watch his interviews now with the way he's started slurring :(

Too amazing for his own good. I can't watch his interviews now with the way he's started slurring :(

Me neither, it's very sad to watch. Hopefully losing to Larry Donald has persuaded him to think things through VERY deeply.

Me neither, it's very sad to watch. Hopefully losing to Larry Donald has persuaded him to think things through VERY deeply.

Hopefully. It looks like the boxing commissions are trying step in to end it too by not giving him licences to fight.

How good does Britain feel about the Undisputed Middleweight title fight coming up with Howard Eastman?

How good does Britain feel about the Undisputed Middleweight title fight coming up with Howard Eastman?

I'm pretty excited about it. Eastman's not a big celebrity over here so it's not getting hyped too much. I think that could change after the fight though, not because I think he'll win but because he'll show people what a class act he is.

How good does Britain feel about the Undisputed Middleweight title fight coming up with Howard Eastman?

I'm overwhelmed Eastman has finally got a shot but i personally don't think he will win this fight. He hasn't shown me any signs that he could be a huge threat to Bernard. The only thing Eastman can count on is boxing a points decision and that will be tough against an A-class fighter like Bernard.

I'm pretty excited about it. Eastman's not a big celebrity over here so it's not getting hyped too much. I think that could change after the fight though, not because I think he'll win but because he'll show people what a class act he is.

now even im not that patriotic! :D :D
doesnt have the work rate to trouble hopkins for my money, though I will of course be shouting for the canary farming bearded one :)

hopkins wide ud.

now even im not that patriotic! :D :D
doesnt have the work rate to trouble hopkins for my money, though I will of course be shouting for the canary farming bearded one :)

hopkins wide ud.

:D Nah, I don't think he'll win but I think he'll give a good account of himself.

oh yeah two cracking chins in there no one is gonna get ko'd.

I'm pretty excited about it. Eastman's not a big celebrity over here so it's not getting hyped too much. I think that could change after the fight though, not because I think he'll win but because he'll show people what a class act he is.

yeah that coupled with the fact that they have lost for now the heavyweight dream.

Danny was not disapointing nor was he suprising. He was as bad as I thought he'd be. I give him credit for his heart and his urge to fight but he really didn't deserve that shot and he showed the whole world. He was outclassed in every second of the fight. The only thing that he has done in his career was knocking out a very, very shot Tyson who hurt his knee. He took a beating from Sinan Samil Sam and even if he had a off-night the day he fought him he looked like useless ****. He is no Top 10 HW and he never will be. In fact I believe that Sinan Sam beats him 9 out of 10 times. As I said I give him credit for his heart but that's about it. The fight could've been stopped in the first round if it hadn't been a title fight in Vegas. Sorry Wez but that's my opinion.

Hatton or Eastman who will save the day

they may get in and run and play

they are the best Britian has seen

all I can say is God save the Queen

Hatton or Eastman who will save the day

they may get in and run and play

they are the best Britian has seen

all I can say is God save the Queen

I dont think I know you, but I do think I like ya! :D

Eastman wil give Hopkins a hard time of it i feel but will lose on pts. Hatton has a serious chance of beating Tsyzu on home ground. Tsyzu is like allot of fighters who are coming off a good performance, they suddenly get this God like Status and are unbeatable. I heard Vince Philips disagrees, he claims that it is possible to KO Tsyzu. I know i know, how could that be possible as Tsyzu is the second coming but i claims this. Hatton is very very good and i`m not saying Hatton is gona come in and destory Tsyzu, i am just saying he will defeat him.

Eastman wil give Hopkins a hard time of it i feel but will lose on pts. Hatton has a serious chance of beating Tsyzu on home ground. Tsyzu is like allot of fighters who are coming off a good performance, they suddenly get this God like Status and are unbeatable. I heard Vince Philips disagrees, he claims that it is possible to KO Tsyzu. I know i know, how could that be possible as Tsyzu is the second coming but i claims this. Hatton is very very good and i`m not saying Hatton is gona come in and destory Tsyzu, i am just saying he will defeat him.

I dont know..I dont think Hatton is ready for Tszyu, even in his own back yard! However, unless there are 3 extremely objective people judging that fight, Kostya had better knock him out..and thats just the way it is. Right, Eleviel?? :D

Fact is Tsyzu has been KO`d and floored, so have many other fighters but Hatton has been unmoved by any fighter spare a flash knock down earlier on from a body shot ( it was balance, simular to Holyfield`s knockdown of Tyson in their first encounter ). Only weakness i see in Hatton is cuts. He showed a great chin against Tackie and Vince Philips and i realize that Tsyzu's power is another thing altogether but Hatton is able to box quite well, slip and he fires to the body and head with real power. Tsyzu could win by KO and then i`ll look the fool, i`d admit it. But my gut feeling is Hatton might be the real deal and in a tough close fight will come out on top over an aging very inactive of late Tsyzu...

Fact is Tsyzu has been KO`d and floored, so have many other fighters but Hatton has been unmoved by any fighter spare a flash knock down earlier on from a body shot ( it was balance, simular to Holyfield`s knockdown of Tyson in their first encounter ). Only weakness i see in Hatton is cuts. He showed a great chin against Tackie and Vince Philips and i realize that Tsyzu's power is another thing altogether but Hatton is able to box quite well, slip and he fires to the body and head with real power. Tsyzu could win by KO and then i`ll look the fool, i`d admit it. But my gut feeling is Hatton might be the real deal and in a tough close fight will come out on top over an aging very inactive of late Tsyzu...

No, you wont look a fool regardless of how it goes...we all make our opinions known, and were all wrong some of the time..thats life. I dont think anybody will hold it against you. Myself, I've already said over and over that Pac WILL NOT be able to beat Morales...talk about looking foolish? Now that is a distinct possibility for me after that fight! :o I may be changing my opinion on Pac soon anyway...I'll be watching alot of his fights soon (from the past) and really get the chance to see what the man's got to offer (other than a great punch) and after that I may have to make a post...taking back alot of the things I've said in the past about him! :confused:

Well, that's very nice of you to be understanding. I agree with your opinion on Morales vs Pac totally. I think Morales will be able to box Pac much better than people think and lead him onto the right hand. Close fight, but Morales for my money ( and if the fight is close i`m sure HBO would have appointed kind judges, another draw? wouldn`t shock me ).

Well, that's very nice of you to be understanding. I agree with your opinion on Morales vs Pac totally. I think Morales will be able to box Pac much better than people think and lead him onto the right hand. Close fight, but Morales for my money ( and if the fight is close i`m sure HBO would have appointed kind judges, another draw? wouldn`t shock me ).

OH hell, I hope not! After reading some of the things said about Erik's behavior after the last Barrera fight, I dont think I could stand to read the opinions of a gift decision!! Hopefully one or the other will get knocked out, and there will be little room for discussion of too tight socks (sorry, that one really was golden :D ) and thrown water bottles! :eek:
But Morales is a totally different ballgame (so to speak) than JMM! ;)

England hosted one of the top 4 heavyweights of all time. They don't need another worldbeater right now. Give the U.S. a chance to take Vitali out!