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OKLAHOMA CITY (Reuters) - An Oklahoma man was taken into custody after he tried to carry a bomb on board an airplane on Wednesday in Oklahoma City, an FBI spokesman said.

Charles Alfred Dreyling Jr., 24, was detained on Wednesday morning after a security screener using an X-ray machine saw the device in his luggage as he tried to board a flight to Philadelphia at Will Rogers Airport in Oklahoma City.

"Although the investigation is in its initial stages we have found no apparent connection to any type of terrorist activity or group," FBI spokesman Gary Johnson said.

Johnson said the screener saw an "improvised explosive device" in Dreyling's carry-on luggage.

A woman answering the phone at Dreyling's home on Wednesday night declined to discuss the matter.

Johnson said Dreyling would be charged in federal court on Thursday with possession of an explosive device at an airport.

America has now put race into the people they stop and search (especially now in New York subways). My question is, under the new guidelines, would this guy have had his bag searched in New York's subway?

I didnt hear that they were using profiling in NY, I heard that about London, but not NY. Show me something that says they are profiling in NY.

Also, do you think they should not stop Arabs and instead go for white guys like this guy who was caught with explosives?

Ummm. You didnt hear about the ACLU's lawsuit against NY for racial profiling/bag searches.

Also, one thing I've noticed, Arabs never do the terror attacks (exception /11) its always been Pakistanis.

I would give you a link later. Dentist appointment.

It is true that as Muslim extremism propaganda start to become more mainstream in the West more dumb white kids will adopt it and think that's cool to blow people up (not that some of them didn't think that before, re: Columbine). So race may become less of an issue.

Ummm. You didnt hear about the ACLU's lawsuit against NY for racial profiling/bag searches.

Also, one thing I've noticed, Arabs never do the terror attacks (exception /11) its always been Pakistanis.

I would give you a link later. Dentist appointment.

No Pakistani was involved in 9/11, or in the 1st WTC attack in 1993. Not nice to brand people without evidence.

I think you mean the Saudi's, not the Pakastani. I think the Pakastanis have little to do with terrorism. Its more Saudi, Iranian, and Syrian.

I think you mean the Saudi's, not the Pakastani. I think the Pakastanis have little to do with terrorism. Its more Saudi, Iranian, and Syrian.

The people involved in the London bombing were of Pakistani origin, I believe. The thing is that to be fair a lot of what they learned over there was the fault of the middle eastern soldiers that based themselves there to fight in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda means literally "the base" and it was one of many bases set up by soldiers coming from the middle east in the North-West Frontier region of Pakistan. It's probable that if they never showed up there few Pakistanis would delibaerately be targeting the west like this.

The biggest problem is people call anybody from the middle east an Arab. This is incorrect. Most of the terrorist are from the middle east, fact. True there are american terrorist, Tim McVeigh etc.

The biggest problem is people call anybody from the middle east an Arab. This is incorrect. Most of the terrorist are from the middle east, fact. True there are american terrorist, Tim McVeigh etc.

Good point, the thing people don't know is that the "Middle East" as we know it was once part of the Roman and then the Byzantine empires, meaning it is full of people of Latin and Greek descent. Arabs means coming from Arabia, not the Middle East. And then of course there are the Jewish, the Assyrians, the Hittites, and all other kinds of folks that have been living there forever as well. People see someone with slightly dark skin on the news and think that they're 100% Arab, which is rare.

I thought that was obvious after the Oklahoma bombing.:confused:

I thought that was obvious after the Oklahoma bombing.:confused:
Should have been. Most of the guys like Mcveigh who are white supremicist and anit-government reside in the southern midwest. Not overly prominent in NY.

Pakistani's have little to do with terrorism? Whoa...
I think you mean the Saudi's, not the Pakastani. I think the Pakastanis have little to do with terrorism. Its more Saudi, Iranian, and Syrian.

What is Middle Eastern looking? They said that innocent guy they killed in Britain looked Middle Eastern... I dont think so. He was Brazilian.

The biggest problem is people call anybody from the middle east an Arab. This is incorrect. Most of the terrorist are from the middle east, fact. True there are american terrorist, Tim McVeigh etc.

I dont think that's the "biggest problem", but when I say arab, I mean middle eastern. I know I may be wrong, and thanks for pointing that out, but I dont see that as being a problem necessarily. We all know when someone says arab, what they really mean are guys from the middle east and brown skinned muslims in general.

I dont consider a Pakistani an Arab because hes brown skinned.

I dont consider a Pakistani an Arab because hes brown skinned.

Thats nice. I guess being "arab" has some geographic significance, but I dont care about that. When I say arab, I mean Saudi's Pakistani's, Iraqi's, palestinians, whatever.

The question is, do you think it is a bad idea to single out people who are stereotypically the terrorists in this country because of their appearance? I think we need to stop the people who are more likely terrorists rather than waisting our time stopping old ladies.

Is it bad? yes it is. At the rate we are going nobody can be trusted.Remember the sniper killers?

Is it bad? yes it is. At the rate we are going nobody can be trusted.Remember the sniper killers?

Agree that the snipers did not look like terrorists, but we cant just let the people who do look like terrorists not get checked can we? I agree that we should check a little bit of everyone, but I think that more attention needs to be paid to men between 18-40 of middle eastern decent, for what I believe to be obvious reasons.

Never mind the fact that Pakistanis are Indians. I could swear that just because Britain tore off a peice of India and named it Pakistan, that Pakistani's didnt change race.

Thats nice. I guess being "arab" has some geographic significance, but I dont care about that. When I say arab, I mean Saudi's Pakistani's, Iraqi's, palestinians, whatever.

The question is, do you think it is a bad idea to single out people who are stereotypically the terrorists in this country because of their appearance? I think we need to stop the people who are more likely terrorists rather than waisting our time stopping old ladies.


..Exactly, and nash would be ****ting his pants if he got on a flight with 10 Arab men sitting near each other. He would be watchin them like a hawk and in turn he would be profiling too. It's all well and good to try and act all politically correct but let Nash take his mom or dad to the airport and watch tons of Arabs get on the plane with them and see if he notices.

Single out is a bad word, maybe look at the more as opposed to the next person, but search them because of their ethnicity/nationality no.

If this was the case after the Oklahoma City Bombing, why werent whites looked at intrusively like "Middle Easterner's" are?

Agree that the snipers did not look like terrorists, but we cant just let the people who do look like terrorists not get checked can we? I agree that we should check a little bit of everyone, but I think that more attention needs to be paid to men between 18-40 of middle eastern decent, for what I believe to be obvious reasons.
I think as soon as you see a person who fits the description you automaticly become more aware and suspicious. Its getting to the point where its just a natural reaction.

No, your prejudice uncultured redneck ass would be ****ting in your pants.

I have friends from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and United Arab Emirates and they despite being really wealthy are much nicer than your American counterparts.

..Exactly, and nash would be ****ting his pants if he got on a flight with 10 Arab men sitting near each other. He would be watchin them like a hawk and in turn he would be profiling too. It's all well and good to try and act all politically correct but let Nash take his mom or dad to the airport and watch tons of Arabs get on the plane with them and see if he notices.

No, your prejudice uncultured redneck ass would be ****ting in your pants.

I have friends from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and United Arab Emirates and they despite being really wealthy are much nicer than your American counterparts.


...So you woldn't bethe least bit concerned with a bunch of Arab men on your plane flight? ****in liar!!!

Hey folks... there's a reason racial stereotypes and racial profiling exist.... They're relatively accurate! I can't stand people who think it's being racist. If I want to assume most black people like watermelon and chicken, prove me wrong and poll every black person in america you meet. I bet my assumption is in the majority.

Your article is pointless in the sense that there are always exceptions in our world. It even says he has no terrorist connections.... so it doesn't seem like he's a terrorist. Probably just a nut job or a pyscho.

God is my witness as a Christian I would not single them out. Bush's version of Christianity which you bought into ok's singling out and racial profiling. I swear the Bushs', Falwells' and Robertsons' in America are going to make me a Buddhist or Hindu one day.

That exception could have killed many people. There has to be better criteria to singling people out than race.
Hey folks... there's a reason racial stereotypes and racial profiling exist.... They're relatively accurate! I can't stand people who think it's being racist. If I want to assume most black people like watermelon and chicken, prove me wrong and poll every black person in america you meet. I bet my assumption is in the majority.

Your article is pointless in the sense that there are always exceptions in our world. It even says he has no terrorist connections.... so it doesn't seem like he's a terrorist. Probably just a nut job or a pyscho.

That exception could have killed many people. There has to be better criteria to singling people out than race.


...All I know is that I would definitely single out a stupid looking white kid with dreadlocks and know for sure that kid was ****ed up. :)

Until we get white muslims blowing themselves up in the name of Allah then why waste time and resources checking everyone else out as closely? If the muslims don't like it it may prompt them to do a little more self policing and offer up information to the authoprities. And by this I'm not referring to the media whores who get on the screen at every opportunity but the ordinary people who live in the communities, because it's ordinary people like them, you and me that are most affected by scumbags blowing themselves up.

Lol

That exception could have killed many people. There has to be better criteria to singling people out than race.

There is, it's called common sense. If your bags go through the xray machine and you're not islamic, they'll still look at the screen. It's not as though they only look at arabs, and everybody else can do what they want.

Actually, if you do single out whites that wouldnt be bad because there was McVeigh, McNihols (his accomplish in Oklahoma City bombings), the Atlanta Olympics bomber/Abortion clinic bomber). And today this Oklahoma bomber entering the plane. You do have a point... maybe they should look at white more since Whites have a longer history of American terrorism than any other race.

I wonder why we havent called for racial profiling against whites, maybe a double standard.
...All I know is that I would definitely single out a stupid looking white kid with dreadlocks and know for sure that kid was ****ed up. :)

The Olympic bomber/abortion clinic bomber was a religious fanatic. He was Christian. He did it because God wanted him to do. His life was spared recently, for reasons I will never know.

Why havent we singled out white Christian males? Timothy McVeigh was a white supremacist/Christian? So was his accomplish Terry Nichols. What do you have to say there Lol999?
Until we get white muslims blowing themselves up in the name of Allah then why waste time and resources checking everyone else out as closely? If the muslims don't like it it may prompt them to do a little more self policing and offer up information to the authoprities. And by this I'm not referring to the media whores who get on the screen at every opportunity but the ordinary people who live in the communities, because it's ordinary people like them, you and me that are most affected by scumbags blowing themselves up.

Lol

Actually, if you do single out whites that wouldnt be bad because there was McVeigh, McNihols (his accomplish in Oklahoma City bombings), the Atlanta Olympics bomber/Abortion clinic bomber). And today this Oklahoma bomber entering the plane. You do have a point... maybe they should look at white more since Whites have a longer history of American terrorism than any other race.

I wonder why we havent called for racial profiling against whites, maybe a double standard.

That maybe true, but we are in a war with Islamic terrorists right now, not nutty Christian guys. Since we are now concentrating on terrorism by muslims, we should be looking at muslims, thats all.

The war with nutty Christains never stopped. Its been here since the early 1900s. Heard of the Klu Klux Klan and their God-fearing Ideology?

The war with nutty Christains never stopped. Its been here since the early 1900s. Heard of the Klu Klux Klan and their God-fearing Ideology?

You know its different and on a much smaller scale than what we are facing today with the crazy muslims.

True. But so many people act like its just Islamic extremism that we have faced in America. Not true. Our main goal is Islamic extremism without a doubt, but dont forget redneck extremists like McVeigh, Nichols, the abortion clinic/olymbic bomber, and the hillbilly with a bomb that climbed aboard the plane today.

The war with nutty Christains never stopped. Its been here since the early 1900s. Heard of the Klu Klux Klan and their God-fearing Ideology?


...You know the Klan was started as a strong arm of the Democratic party!!

Blacks voted Republican then until Kennedy called Coretta Scott King after MLK's death... little American history for your ignorant ass.

Dems and Repub parties were VERY different to say the least.

The biggest problem is people call anybody from the middle east an Arab. This is incorrect. Most of the terrorist are from the middle east, fact. True there are american terrorist, Tim McVeigh etc.

Ya, my families from Iran...but I ain't arab..

Iranians have no history of terrorism in America. I dont know why Iran was even brought up.

Iranians have no history of terrorism in America. I dont know why Iran was even brought up.

hahahahahaahah!

Blacks voted Republican then until Kennedy called Coretta Scott King after MLK's death... little American history for your ignorant ass.

Dems and Repub parties were VERY different to say the least.
So thats the reason they switched? Ill be damned! :eek:

Thats the reason they switched. It was Eisenhower, a Republican that mixed black and white students in Arkansas. Blacks were Republicans early in the 1900s.
So thats the reason they switched? Ill be damned! :eek:

mnash, when youv'e got white christians on a public mission to destroy you then start profiling white christian males. But when theyr'e in the minority you put the majority of your resources to the biggest threat at the time. When the IRA were having a field day in the UK the security services didn't go round examining blacks and other minorities because there was in the moost part no ****ing reason to. Stop trying to turn this into a race thing. If Chinese terrorists start blowing us up then get the forces down to China Town. It's called reacting to threats.
Similar arguments were made about the use of stop and search policies by the police against black youths in the 90's. The race campaigners came running out of the woodwork. A senior police officer pointed out statistically that they were overwhelminglky responsible for the majority of the street crimes that stop and search was trying to defeat. He soon got branded a racist. Notice I say black youths, not black women, not asian, arabic etc. In other words the root of the problem was being addressed from a law and order point of view so let's not start on the causes of such crimes. That is not the remit of the Police, never has been nor should be. it's an imperfect world but whilst we continue being overtly sensitive and pandering to "rights" we are doing ourselves no favours.

Lol

I dont live near trailor parks so those white christian extremists are threats to me. Its really astonishing how someone can blow one terrorism aside and condemn another. Truly mind-blowing.
mnash, when youv'e got white christians on a public mission to destroy you then start profiling white christian males. But when theyr'e in the minority you put the majority of your resources to the biggest threat at the time. When the IRA were having a field day in the UK the security services didn't go round examining blacks and other minorities because there was in the moost part no ****ing reason to. Stop trying to turn this into a race thing. If Chinese terrorists start blowing us up then get the forces down to China Town. It's called reacting to threats.
Similar arguments were made about the use of stop and search policies by the police against black youths in the 90's. The race campaigners came running out of the woodwork. A senior police officer pointed out statistically that they were overwhelminglky responsible for the majority of the street crimes that stop and search was trying to defeat. He soon got branded a racist. Notice I say black youths, not black women, not asian, arabic etc. In other words the root of the problem was being addressed from a law and order point of view so let's not start on the causes of such crimes. That is not the remit of the Police, never has been nor should be. it's an imperfect world but whilst we continue being overtly sensitive and pandering to "rights" we are doing ourselves no favours.

Lol

I'm not blowing any terrorism to one side at all. The point I thought I had succintly made was to divert the most resources to the more prominent current threat regardless of the creed or colour of the threat.

Lol

I'm not blowing any terrorism to one side at all. The point I thought I had succintly made was to divert the most resources to the more prominent current threat regardless of the creed or colour of the threat.

Lol

Which is why the States decided the best way to eliminate Saudi and Pakistani terrorists was to pour all of its resources into Iraq, of course.

You could argue that, but I'm not. It's been a good thread but I'm bowing out at this stage. I've made my point and there's a chance flaming is the next stage, so let's just call it quits.

Lol

You could argue that, but I'm not. It's been a good thread but I'm bowing out at this stage. I've made my point and there's a chance flaming is the next stage, so let's just call it quits.

Lol

No worries, I thought you made a lot of good points on this thread anyway, and normally I don't agree much with you...no offence or anything, we just see things differently I guess :cool: .

Muslims have done two acts of terror here in the US. White supremacists/Christian fantatics have done many more recently with the three I stated for you, and I know its countless others. I mean they spared that Olympic bomber/abortion bomber's life who killed saying God ok'd it. It sends mixed messages that terror is ok or more tolerable.

The thing is no one called for racial profiling against whites, but people did that against terrorists foreign-born.