Who is the best from this 3 legends? (Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield) [Archive]

Manny_P

08-08-2005, 12:38 AM

what about ali?
when someone tells me they want to get into boxing, and what fights to watch, i say rumble in the jungle or thrilla in manilla.

but i definitly think tyson is the best of the three...in his prime

Muhammad Ali is the Greatest. LOL.

Seriously, though when I was lil like 8-11 or sum shyt, I dint know who Ali was. The only boxer I knew and KNOW WHAT THEY DO IN TA RING was Mike Tyson. I still remeba ta day Mike KOed Frank Bruno (dont remeba ta year) in 3 and kissed him on his cut or sum shyt. I used to think.........."damn Bruno is way bigga than Tyson, but Tyson is jest a ****in beast...crazy shyt!".

side note: I aint basin ma pick on accomplishments. I mean even if Kobe Bryant surpasses Jordan's MVP and championship trophies, I bet you'd STILL say, Michael Jordan is ta best. LOL!

Mike Tyson = Ta ****in Shizniteeeeeee!

TheGreat1

08-08-2005, 12:53 AM

Tough to vote against Lewis here being he did get the upper hand in his career against both fighters. Sure Mike in his prime was an animal, and these two camps knew each other well. Lennox was very smart to develope before going to war with Mike which is why I can understand giving the edge to Mike in this question as well. Sorry Evander these guys were better boxers and better punchers.

Good point, there was no way Holy could beat MIke, no way he could KO him in the 11th round than beat him again in a rematch. No way holy could beat LL in there rematch and get robbed by the judges. To bad holy just wasn't good enough to even be in the ring with them.
I really hate that Mike wasnt't good enough to beat Buster, because he would have had to fight Holy next, in which case he would have been delt with the same way Holy KO'd Buster. Holy in his prime was unstoppable. He would have finished mike within 5 rounds. For those who doubt Holy's power remember he KO'd the same Douglas that Tyson couldn't

Sir_Jose

08-08-2005, 12:55 AM

Who is the best from this 3 legends? (Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield)

Lewis

Tyson burned out way to quick and fell on his face whenever he had someone stand up to him, Holyfield was just way to up and down in his career and is under .500 in his big fights.

The only guy to beat Lewis was Lewis himself. The only reason he ever lost was because he got full of himself, he quickly set things straight in both rematchs.

TheGreat1

08-08-2005, 01:08 AM

Lewis

Holyfield was just way to up and down in his career and is under .500 in his big fights.

Holy had 25 title fights, losing 5 and 1 draw, became the HW champ 4 times, how does that equat to under .500

{BrownBomber}

08-08-2005, 01:18 AM

Prime Holyfield out works both these guysin their prime.I vote Holyfield.

Dude

08-08-2005, 03:49 AM

1. Lewis as he won against Holyfield and every other fighter he ever faced as a pro. One of the best 10 HWs ever easily when he was focused and in shape.
2. Holyfield for his heart and determination. Arguably one of the best 20 HWs ever but a little inconsitent. Had some of the greatest fights of the 90s and is the defintion of a warrior.
3. Tyson though being the youngest HW champ ever is overhyped and fell short against every great HW he faced near their prime(that's excluding Danny Williams).

tommyhearns804

08-08-2005, 12:08 PM

Tyson is a legend now?Since when?Since he beat up people like Berbick and Spinks or since he got knocked out 5 times mostly by guys who couldnt punch or were bums or a little of each?Anyway i would say Holyfield.A prime Holyfield would of beat Lewis and Holyfield fought the better opponents in his career.
And Jose Lewis still lost.If you are going to say he beat himself then you can use that for Foreman as well he beat himself.The only difference is Lewis got a chance to set things right and Foreman didnt.Alot of other fighters beat themselves.The point is Lewis was ko'd 2 times in his career by one punch.He faced few good fighters in his career.Lewis best wins came over a washed up Holyfield.That doesnt make you a legend.

vB Martin

08-08-2005, 12:26 PM

Not any easy question to answer. At a particular point in each of their careers, they could all be considered the best, but whose legend is larger is tough to answer.

Holyfield had a more stellar career in 2 weight divisions, and twice defeated Tyson.

Tyson was definitely The Man for a few years, but he lost every time he faced an opponent who could take or absorb his power.

Lewis was the most skilled boxer of the 3, but faced lighter opposition in his career because his reign also covered the current decline in heavyweight talent.

I choose all 3 as legendary for different reason.

oldgringo

08-08-2005, 03:55 PM

Best overall fighter? Evander Holyfield for sure.

-Started as a Light Heavyweight
-Beat a very good Cruiser in Qawi in his 12th professional fight
-Unified the Cruiserweight division
-3 time world heavyweight champion
-Involved in some of the greatest heavyweight fights ever with Tyson, Bowe, Dokes, and Cooper
-Wins over: Qawi/DeLeon/Dokes/Foreman/Holmes/Bowe/Mercer/Moorer/Tysonx2
-Toughest fighter of the 3 with the most heart and the best chin

I rate them:

Holyfield
Lewis
Tyson

jack_the_rippuh

08-08-2005, 03:57 PM

RwK

08-08-2005, 04:02 PM

Best overall fighter? Evander Holyfield for sure.

Its really a no contest there as far as I am concerned.

SonnyG8R

08-08-2005, 04:02 PM

oldgringo

08-08-2005, 04:07 PM

Where have you been, homo?

I've been in the great white northeast on the sunny beaches of Maine.

jack_the_rippuh

08-08-2005, 04:22 PM

I've been in the great white northeast on the sunny beaches of Maine.

Eat any crabs, contracted any?

SonnyG8R

08-08-2005, 04:34 PM

Eat any crabs, contracted any?

Maine is lobster territory.

Crabs are down around Maryland.

oldgringo

08-08-2005, 04:35 PM

Eat any crabs, contracted any?

King crab legs, lobster, fried scallops, clam strips in crumbs, haddock, clam cakes...I also caught and ate Sea Bass and Striper while fishing.

Best seafood possible comes out of Maine.

Stealthic

08-08-2005, 04:36 PM

I used to hate Evander. When he fought Lewis I wanted Lennox to punch his brains out the back of his skull...

But now, I respect him more than a lot of fighters out there, especially Tyson.

You can say Tyson had the power and Lennox had the physical gifts(height, reach) and the boxing abilities could go to both men. But one thing that seperates Holy from them is his HEART. When Mike was faced with any adversity, he folded. He resorted to some of the most digraceful tactics the sport has EVER seen.

Evander is still trying to fight today. Mike said himself that his heart's not in it anymore and hasn't been for a while. That's how Mike reacts to losing. Meanwhile, Holy suffered some embarassing defeats recently, and STILL wants to continue because he loves the sport.

Evander gets my vote. It's not even close.

Kid_Diamond

08-09-2005, 09:17 AM

OH!
Holyfield at second place. I think, because he is from USA.

Kid_Diamond

08-12-2005, 10:01 AM

Vote more actively

RAESAAD

08-12-2005, 10:08 AM

I will have to go with Lennox , he beat both Tyson and Holyfield granted not when they were at there best but also out of his 2 losses he came back and avenged them both in spectacular fashion not many fighters can say that.

!! Mr. Soprano

08-12-2005, 10:37 AM

Who is the best from this 3 legends? (Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield)
Who is the best in what???

Holyfiled is the best legend
Lewis is the best of the 3 boxer
Tyson is the best known and dominant name

So what are you really asking? :confused:

Kid_Diamond

08-12-2005, 12:35 PM

Who is the best in what???

Holyfiled is the best legend
Lewis is the best of the 3 boxer
Tyson is the best known and dominant name

So what are you really asking? :confused:

Only the best. The best boxer.
Young Tyson was better than Lewis.

Shaolin Bushido

08-12-2005, 12:51 PM

Lewis. He never fell as far as either and got out with his dignity intact as well as his championship.

Kid_Diamond

08-13-2005, 03:17 AM

It is difficult to define the winner by results of voting.
All three best.

MetalVomit

08-13-2005, 07:04 AM

Who is the best from this 3 legends? (Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield)

lol at everyone that voted for Tyson, he lost to both guys, didnt fight the same level of competition of both guys........

Kid_Diamond

08-14-2005, 04:21 AM

Vote more actively, please

Tha Greatest

08-14-2005, 04:26 AM

Holyfield without a doubt....

His accomplishments speaks for itself and his caliber of opposition...

czars_salad

08-14-2005, 05:28 AM

Kid_Diamond

08-15-2005, 10:07 AM

Poll results (15 august):
1. Holyfield
2. Tyson
3. Lewis

TheGreat1

08-15-2005, 06:00 PM

lol at everyone that voted for Tyson, he lost to both guys, didnt fight the same level of competition of both guys........

not only did he lose but he was KTFO

TheEvilSaint

08-15-2005, 06:05 PM

TheGreat1

08-15-2005, 06:38 PM

i voted for holyfield. im not saying that holyfield couldve beaten both lewis and tyson, but i just think that holyfield was overall just better. he had the better chin, more heart, more willingness to fight, better competition, and was totally fearless.

everything you've said is correct, and he could have beaten both of them in his prime, hell he was ablt to beat LL in there 2 fight, when he was already done. to bad he got that bomb decision cause they where trying to fix the error from the 1st fight

Easy-E

08-15-2005, 06:57 PM

lol at everyone that voted for Tyson, he lost to both guys, didnt fight the same level of competition of both guys........

unless im mistaken, were supposed to compare these fighters in their respective primes, in which i believe tyson beats holy and lewis.
the fact that both boxers beat tyson in the decline of his career doesnt prove much.
leon spinks beat ali in the decline of his career, but no one believe spinks was better. (i know its a rash example by the way)

GasPed

08-15-2005, 07:31 PM

The poll's question ("Who was the best?") is questionable itself. As far as I'm concerned, LL was the best heavyweight, and he had the best accomplishments at that weight of any of them. But Evander had the best overall career accomplishments taking into account his light-heavy and cruiser titles, so I voted for him.

In his prime, Tyson may well have been the best fighter, but his career was 3 years of brilliance followed by 15 of mediocrity...

IRONTIGER

08-16-2005, 08:48 AM

:boxing: Iron Mike Tyson :boxing:

Kid_Diamond

08-16-2005, 12:50 PM

Poll results (16 august):
1. Holyfield 32 :confused:
2. Tyson
3. Lewis

Warhawk46

08-16-2005, 07:15 PM

You guys, Holyfield was not a light-heavyweight champion...he won the Cruiserweight belt and the Heavyweight belt.

By the way, during their respective primes I have to go with Tyson. Even though he didnt have the lasting power of the other two he was superior during his prime.

Holyfield deserves his recognition of the term "warrior" but be aware he gets this label for being in wars. He has had many ring wars.

Tyson, during his prime, was unstoppable. It is ignorant to say if he didnt knock a guy out he lost, just as it is ignorant to say he lost to every guy that could take his power. He has a handful of decision victories and it should be noted that during his prime he could basically "shut out" and opponent even if he didnt knock him out. I cant remember the last time a havyweight fighter was that hard to hit. And Tyson had to be in close because of his size, and still he was so hard to hit cleanly. In fact, he was only hit by very good punches a handful of times before he fired Rooney. Afterwards, his defense was much worse.

trinidadpr87

08-16-2005, 08:28 PM

Im going with the two time Unified Champion of the world Evander "The Real Deal" Holyfield. :boxing: :boxing:

Dirt E Gomez

08-16-2005, 08:52 PM

A "prime" must last longer than 2 years in order for them to be known as a great heavyweight in my eyes.

Mech.

08-16-2005, 09:15 PM

Is Mike Tyson average? Uh uh

You think Mike is similar to Evander. Nope.

Rarely a time comes when a fighta of Mike Tyson's type grace tis earth. LOL. ****in guys up in round 1 is jest ****in insane.

Youre an idiot.

Its close between Evander and Lewis,but still evander,BUT TYSON? c'mon,he was always shot,If you took his best and stood back up Tyson would turn into a *****,go ask teddy atlas,just because this was exposed mid way in his career dosent mean it wasnt always there,if he was so fierce and great whyd his career turn to ****?

1.Evander
2.Lewis
<S>3.Tyson</S>

Kid_Diamond

08-18-2005, 09:28 AM

Poll results (18 august):
1. Evander-35 votes :eek:
2. Mike
3. Lennox

Easy-E

08-18-2005, 01:48 PM

Youre an idiot.

Its close between Evander and Lewis,but still evander,BUT TYSON? c'mon,he was always shot,If you took his best and stood back up Tyson would turn into a *****,go ask teddy atlas,just because this was exposed mid way in his career dosent mean it wasnt always there,if he was so fierce and great whyd his career turn to ****?

1.Evander
2.Lewis
<S>3.Tyson</S>

mike tyson was always shot??
have you seen early tyson's fights??
obviously not, or you wouldnt make such an extrodinary ignorant and foolish statement.

his career turned to **** because of poor management, improper training, and tyson's emotional issues

tyson has considerable more talent that both lewis and holy.
in their primes, i believe tyson cleans up

Mike Tyson Jr.

08-18-2005, 01:50 PM

who do you think

Smack

08-18-2005, 02:19 PM

Holyfield wins my pick.

He is easily the greatest crusier weight in my opinion, he's always fought the divison's best.

Then it's Lewis (eventhough the ****er makes me sick) and then Tyson.

This is based purely on level of comp, and achievements. Not based on who'd beat who in a prime for prime situation.

Kid_Diamond

08-20-2005, 03:06 AM

Only 97 votes. Weak result for such popular forum.

TheGreat1

08-20-2005, 03:45 AM

Only 97 votes. Weak result for such popular forum.

i lik ehow u keep this thread alive, very good topic, because Tyson fans will defend his 2 years of prime against anyone, even the older fighters that beat the **** out of him like Holy and Tyson, Tyson in his prime couldn't beat Buster, who Holy in his prime killed. There is no way Tyson could have beaten Holy in his prime, Holy was just too good, Tyson wouldn't fight fighters with chins, thats why he avoided Foreman soo badly. Tyson doesn't ebe rate to be mentioned with LL or holy, both who completly destroyed him

tonytucker

08-20-2005, 03:53 AM

i lik ehow u keep this thread alive, very good topic, because Tyson fans will defend his 2 years of prime against anyone, even the older fighters that beat the **** out of him like Holy and Tyson, Tyson in his prime couldn't beat Buster, who Holy in his prime killed. There is no way Tyson could have beaten Holy in his prime, Holy was just too good, Tyson wouldn't fight fighters with chins, thats why he avoided Foreman soo badly. Tyson doesn't ebe rate to be mentioned with LL or holy, both who completly destroyed himHello there Great1, I would say that Tyson would have destroyed Douglas in 1 or 2 rounds if he was still with Kevin Rooney! Tyson owes most of his success to Rooney! ;)
Later brother brologs.

Slipx

08-20-2005, 09:17 AM

rofl pathetic so many people picked tyson

kapersky

08-20-2005, 10:49 AM

i lik ehow u keep this thread alive, very good topic, because Tyson fans will defend his 2 years of prime against anyone, even the older fighters that beat the **** out of him like Holy and Tyson, Tyson in his prime couldn't beat Buster, who Holy in his prime killed. There is no way Tyson could have beaten Holy in his prime, Holy was just too good, Tyson wouldn't fight fighters with chins, thats why he avoided Foreman soo badly. Tyson doesn't ebe rate to be mentioned with LL or holy, both who completly destroyed him

and you also would say holmes would kill ali in his prime.
nobody can know for sure, but a prime tyson(with rooney for the 111times yes not without) would give holyfield 3-4 times tougher fight than the one in 1995 and noway holyfield could win by ko and pls if any fuc**r says this is a excurse for tyson then you can fu**youself bi***

TKODoll

08-20-2005, 11:09 AM

You mean Cruiserweight?? I have to go with Tyson, the guy was the youngest champion in history & he also was the most feared fighter in history for 4 or 5 years. Evander will be my second choice.

No, he means light heavyweight. When Holyfield made his pro debut against Lionel Byarm, he weighed 177.

Kid_Diamond

08-22-2005, 10:07 AM

Vote, do not hesitate. :D

Kid_Diamond

08-24-2005, 09:54 AM

still 1.Holyfield, 38 (25 KO's)-8-2
2.Tyson, 50 (44 KO's)-6
3.Lewis, 41 (32 KO's)-2-1

Kid_Diamond

08-25-2005, 11:09 AM

......VOTE........VOTE.............!!!

Boxclever

08-25-2005, 11:15 AM

I've gone for Lewis, but it was a close call with Evander. :)

marvdave

08-25-2005, 11:19 AM

Who is the best from this 3 legends? (Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield)

Holyfield-most distinguished career
Tyson-most dissapointing...what could have been?
Lewis-Head to head I take him

favorite-Holyfield (please retire)

Kid_Diamond

08-27-2005, 01:46 PM

-Recently, Tysons been in the news for some accusations. What advice would you give to Mike Tyson, a good buddy of yours?

-Freddie Roach: -The accusations, hopefully they stay that way and not come true. Of course I like Mike. His life is under a microscope and everything he does is going to be noticed. I hope they're not true and I always hope the best for Mike. I think he should become a boxing analyst or be a broadcaster.

-Nova-

08-27-2005, 01:48 PM

Prime Tyson, which was before he was locked up was probably the best of all time.

oldgringo

08-27-2005, 01:51 PM

Kid_Diamond

08-31-2005, 09:17 AM

Tyson The Best, again.

XionComrade

08-31-2005, 08:04 PM

No way you can argue that Tyson was on his way to becoming the greatest fighter to ever step into the ring, but it just wasn't meant to be, Drugs, personal life, personal problems, and Don King made sure it wouldn't happen. The only man that can beat Tyson in his prime was Tyson himself, eventually he would have gotten to the point of KOing Ali late, UDing Frazier, and last but certainly not least, KOing George Foreman, all of whom were in there prime!

A damn shame and a damned waste of talent, sheesh.

Evander Holyfield never says quit, the quality that Tyson lacked throughout most of his career. Tyson was the youngest to win the title, Holyfield won it the most times, personally I like Holyfield's Title accomplishment more, but thats just oppinion.
Prime Tyson would KO Holyfield in 6-10 rounds without any trouble.

Lennox Lewis is another case, Linnear Champion, and much like Tyson beaten only by himself. Probably the best European Fighter to ever step into the ring, and thats just the damn facts. But his chin and lack of movement would pose HUGE trouble against Tyson, I see a very early KO unless Lewis starts moving like he does occasionally, since he is 6'6 260 something pounds, it is abso****inglutely ammazing to see him move like it to!
Hence the opening seconds of the Tyson fight, he was as aggressive as Prime Tyson, same with Briggs and a few others, you get Lewis in trouble he gets you back!
IF lewis fights like normal, he gets KOed in first to thrid round very fast and brutally by Mike, if he moves he stands a good chance at beating Tyson, but he never does so Tyson screws him in round one.

Muhammad Ali would go a loooong way before it is stopped, but Ali is succeptable to lunging punches, which is Tyson's speciallty, I see Ali expecting to lure Tyson in to much and getting Knocked the **** out in round 14 or so. He cannot do that with Tyson, it worked against mediocre peices of 70's ****(Their good but just don't size up to the other Heavys) that he fought and Ali didn't seem to like those shots that they threw, if he does this against Tyson he is in for a long, brutal night of punishment. Ali must keep his hands up or he will get KOed, he probably would, but hes not going to move away from Tyson's shots for long before getting clocked, he has to block and keep those hands up! Then he can win.

Same goes for Foreman, but he can catch Tyson coming in, in which case Tyson would probably go down and out, if anyone can beat a full potential Mike, its Foreman, but Foreman must be careful the full time or were gonna be outta there very very quickly!

thekidd

08-31-2005, 08:07 PM

Tyson in his prime...

Tha Greatest

08-31-2005, 08:08 PM

beez721

08-31-2005, 08:10 PM

Who is the best from this 3 legends? (Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield)
holyfield hands down

EastCoastBoxing

08-31-2005, 08:10 PM

You have to look at each of the fighters entire career. Tyson is probably the second most well known heavyweight of all time (next to Ali) but that alone doesn't make him the best of these three. Lewis didn't fight the quality of opponent that either of these guys fought in the prime. Holyfield stuck around way too long, but of the three I have to say that he has had the best career. If Mike didn't land in jail a couple of time, maybe it would be different!

XionComrade

08-31-2005, 08:24 PM

You're a retarded rehab moron!

Tyson could fight Holyfield 1000 times and each time he would get KNOCKED OUT!

I don't care what year it is..

Tyson can't deal with people that got heart...

Holyfield is one of the biggest warriors of all time...

Go back to the fantasy boxing session and talk about fights between Rocky and Drago..

Im not talking about the Prime Tyson that we saw, Im talking about the PRIME mother ****er that was never shown, Tyson never reached full potential, and yes a Full potential Tyson would dismantle a Full potential Holyfield. Even a Prime Tyson, the one that KOed Spinks and Holmes, and maybee the one that fought Green, would still KO Holyfield, Bowe Koed him and Tyson is beter than Bowe was, much more power, much more skill!

Yes Tyson lacked heart for most of his career, but he still had animalistic like heart in his prime, he just kept coming! More than enough to take Holyfield and Lewis out, Late for Holyfield, early for Lewis even though Lewis was better than Holyfield for this fight.

Holyfield brawls to much, Tyson eats brawlers alive. And even though Holyfield stood up to Foreman, Tyson at the time was way faster and more dangerous than Foreman was! Tyson KO 9-11, Split desicion, or most likely a Unanimous.

I say UD

Dark Destroyer

08-31-2005, 08:25 PM

Hmmmmm tricky tricky question i'll think about this but at this moment i'm slightly swinging between Lennox or Evander. :confused:

MetalVomit

08-31-2005, 08:31 PM

lol@Tyson winning this poll.

Tha Greatest

08-31-2005, 08:33 PM

Im not talking about the Prime Tyson that we saw, Im talking about the PRIME mother ****er that was never shown, Tyson never reached full potential, and yes a Full potential Tyson would dismantle a Full potential Holyfield. Even a Prime Tyson, the one that KOed Spinks and Holmes, and maybee the one that fought Green, would still KO Holyfield, Bowe Koed him and Tyson is beter than Bowe was, much more power, much more skill!

Yes Tyson lacked heart for most of his career, but he still had animalistic like heart in his prime, he just kept coming! More than enough to take Holyfield and Lewis out, Late for Holyfield, early for Lewis even though Lewis was better than Holyfield for this fight.

Holyfield brawls to much, Tyson eats brawlers alive. And even though Holyfield stood up to Foreman, Tyson at the time was way faster and more dangerous than Foreman was! Tyson KO 9-11, Split desicion, or most likely a Unanimous.

I say UD
Sorry for the bad response...

I like how u responded like a gentleman...

Good ****

MetalVomit

09-01-2005, 01:00 AM

Im not talking about the Prime Tyson that we saw, Im talking about the PRIME mother ****er that was never shown, Tyson never reached full potential, and yes a Full potential Tyson would dismantle a Full potential Holyfield. Even a Prime Tyson, the one that KOed Spinks and Holmes, and maybee the one that fought Green, would still KO Holyfield, Bowe Koed him and Tyson is beter than Bowe was, much more power, much more skill!

Yes Tyson lacked heart for most of his career, but he still had animalistic like heart in his prime, he just kept coming! More than enough to take Holyfield and Lewis out, Late for Holyfield, early for Lewis even though Lewis was better than Holyfield for this fight.

Holyfield brawls to much, Tyson eats brawlers alive. And even though Holyfield stood up to Foreman, Tyson at the time was way faster and more dangerous than Foreman was! Tyson KO 9-11, Split desicion, or most likely a Unanimous.

I say UD

Holyfield was thought to be past his prime when he KO'd Tyson.

I-WISH-A-MF-WOULD

09-01-2005, 03:33 AM

Role model, fighter and carried himself like a champion w/o making a million babies Lewis. Tough tread but Lewis beat them all... oh wait a minute he did beat them all already.

Ismael27

09-01-2005, 12:02 PM

This couldnt be much easier. Lewis. Evander then Tyson at a distance. Lewis beat everyone he ever fought. Period That includes the other two. Evander was great but just didnt have to size to legitimately beat Lewis. Tyson? He never one a fight that he was behind in. If that doesnt disqualify any talk of greatness I dont know what does. If he was an Englishman or Swede and was an intelligent frontrunner he would be hated. He was an american thug and he was great. Crazy.

oldgringo

09-01-2005, 12:36 PM

Tyson winning this is in fact a sick prank.

JohnL

09-01-2005, 12:47 PM

Very tough choice between Holy and LL. But I voted for Lewis in the poll. Evander came very close in the Lewis rematch and his quality of opposition is incredible. I could be holding his recent poor performances against him and I know that isn't fair.
But Lewis, if he truly is done, went out much better.

beez721

09-01-2005, 12:54 PM

Ismael27

09-01-2005, 01:16 PM

Beez721, your right sort of anyway. I should never have said it was an easy pick. Holyfield was a great fighter and won many tough fights that I didn't believe he could win and he had a true warriors spirit. I dont think Holyfield was that far past his prime in 1999 but he had had a couple rough fights around then. But I also dont agree that the fights with Lewis were very close. Lewis seemed to just coast to an easy victory. Not very exciting but it was his way. And lastly Holyfield did fight Bowe in his prime and had a lot of trouble with a big skilled fighter. Add that to the fact that Lewis was clearly better than Bowe and I come up with a convoluted reason why Lewis was the best of the two. I do admit it should be a close call though. A pick-um fight. Tyson still doesn't belong on the same list though and for him to be winning this poll says a lot about the voters.

Kid_Diamond

09-02-2005, 09:40 AM

UD - Tyson The Best!

Kid_Diamond

09-07-2005, 09:45 AM

For new users - Please vote!

Tha Greatest

09-07-2005, 09:46 AM

For new users - Please vote!
You're retarded.

The Troll

09-07-2005, 09:49 AM

I rate Holyfield as the best out of the 3. In only his 12th pro fight he defeated in a 15 round war via Split descision one of the greatest light heavyweights of all time in Dwight Quawi/Braxton. Beat him again in a rematch, eventually became Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion. Then went to heavyweight, defeated James Quick Tillis, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, all be KO in his first 3 fights at heavyweight. Became undisputed Heavyweight Champion in 1990 from defeating buster Douglas by KO 3. Defeated George Foreman by descison, etc. If you look at his record he fought nothing but Championship Caliber opposition from his 12 pro fight onward. He never lost to anybody except the highest quality of opposition before he got old. Lewis lost to McCall who was good figher, and Rahman who is not so goood a fighter in my mind and he struggled with alot of Less than elite level fighters like Frank Bruno, Shannon Briggs, Ray Mercer, and others. He beat Holyfield and Tyson, but that does not mean a whole lot to me because just look at the records of Tyson and Holyfield post Lewis.

SORRY TO NOT ANSWER YOUR WHAT IF QUESTION.

This is my position on it.

lennon

09-07-2005, 10:38 AM

Its tough, but I voted for Evander.

He has beat the better level of opposition as opposed to the other two fighters on the list.
what you mean a 42 yearold foreman and a 40 something Holmes, you cant mean because he beat Ruiz one time out of 3? Bowe? a guy thats only claim to fame is beating Holyfield 2 times out of 3! or is it because Holyfield went 1-1 with Moorer? Bean,Czyz,BertCooper?
Yes he faced more big names than the other two guys but he got beat by more names too.

Kid_Diamond

09-10-2005, 01:01 AM

................vote...................

Kid_Diamond

09-13-2005, 09:16 AM

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Versastyle

09-13-2005, 09:48 PM

every body knows tyson would have killed him in his prime. u have to include prime in the category and when the knocked the person ou t and even defense and offense

Tha Greatest

09-13-2005, 09:51 PM

Kid Diamond, damn you annoying cabron

09-13-2005, 09:58 PM

i voted for nobody.

and prime tyson ain't ****.

Kid_Diamond

09-16-2005, 11:19 AM

Mike Tyson News: Mike Tyson in Chechnya Pictures

Source: moscowtimes
Thanks to phxmikefan

Former world heavyweight champion Mike Tyson traveled to Chechnya on Thursday to open a Russian national boxing tournament and said he had prayed for the war, which has been raging in the republic since 1999, to end.

"I am glad that I am in the Chechen republic that I have read and heard so much about, and am glad that I am among Muslims," Tyson said, opening the event in Chechnya's second largest town of Gudermes.

Tyson was a guest of Ramzan Kadyrov, the republic's powerful first deputy prime minister, who is a boxing enthusiast.

"We have seen on television an unfair war being waged in the Chechen republic for a long time. We in America prayed for it to end," Tyson said.

Channel One television showed Tyson wearing a T-shirt and walking in a sports stadium under sunny skies to applause and cheers from a young crowd. Tyson, apparently moved by the reception, told the crowd, "Salaam Aleikum," the channel's news anchor said. The four-day tournament is being held in memory of Ramzan Kadyrov's father, the late Chechen President Akhmad Kadyrov, who was assassinated in May 2004.

Ramzan Kadyrov said he had invited Tyson in order to create a holiday for young people and show that peace was returning to Chechnya, Interfax reported.

Kadyrov called Tyson by his Muslim name, Malik Abdul Aziz, Interfax reported. In Arabic, Malik means "king" and Abdul Aziz means "servant of the mighty".

Tyson spent several days in Moscow last week and appeared on a talk show as part of a tour that included stopovers in Turkey and Ukraine.

Mike Tyson left Chechnya Friday and headed for the neighboring Caucasian Republic of Daghestan, the Chechen president's spokesman said.

YoungTurk

09-16-2005, 11:20 AM

Iron Mike Tyson

He was the best. Then 1990 came.

Kid_Diamond

09-19-2005, 10:51 AM

................vote...................

rudy

09-19-2005, 12:27 PM

It has to be Holyfield the only thing I give Lewis is he came back well from knockout defeats. But Holyfield man he gave us some exciting fights bared his soul Lewis never did. As for Tyson he was special only for a couple of years losing to Mcbride is the biggest embrassment for any world heavyweight champion christ Leon Spinks at his worst would have beaten Mcbride

Kid_Diamond

09-29-2005, 09:56 AM

................vote...................

druth

09-29-2005, 09:58 AM

How you could put Tyson ahead of two people, especially two who handily beat him, is beyond me. Quit hugging nuts and use your heads.

Ms. Jones

09-29-2005, 10:28 PM

Mike Tyson was the best ever in his prime have you seen his fights on espn. That brought back memories of how good the Young Mike tyson was very powerful and quick for a heavyweight. The man was blessed with these skills and man who recognize them and help bring them out forgot his name. It all demenish when Don King got to him and the rape charge

Ms. Jones

09-29-2005, 10:30 PM

Lewis sucks....

Chups

09-30-2005, 01:12 AM

Evander fought better opposition and won most of it!!

Manny_P

09-30-2005, 01:39 AM

According to ta poll, Tyson wins....

Ta poll neva lies!

Manny_P

09-30-2005, 01:40 AM

also, we have 42 British members who voted fo Lewis.

UntouchableM2

09-30-2005, 02:19 AM

Mike Tyson

SLIMZ

09-30-2005, 05:01 AM

tyson still fights (at least w/in the last 12 months), i dont think he's a legend. maybe a living fighting legend...
but i choose him vs the other 2.

Kid_Diamond

11-04-2005, 10:42 AM

................vote...................

DiegoFuego

11-04-2005, 04:18 PM

How did Lewis not win this poll? Oh wait, I know.

This forum is loaded with Tyson nuthuggers and Lewis haters.

Give me a ****ing break, Lewis is better than both of these guys.

DiegoFuego

11-04-2005, 04:19 PM

Mike Tyson

That makes sense considering both guys owned his ass.

VERSION1 (V1)

11-04-2005, 04:23 PM

The Reason I Pick Him Over Lewis Lewis Beat A Tyson That Was A Shell Of The Man Holyfeild Beat And I Think Holyfeild Was Past His Prime When He Fought Lewis

Kimmy

11-04-2005, 04:26 PM

Tyson comes 3rd. He didn't beat any good fighters apart from Spinks and Holmes. The best competition he had, namely Holyfield and lewis, beat him!
There is no way he could be named the better of the three. And what he wouild have done in his prime isn't the question, stop worshiping the underachiving rapist!
On paper Lewis has a better record than Holyfield. He avenged his losses and he beat both Tyson and Holyfield. Lewis should win the poll hands down but i voted for Holyfield. Although his merits aren't as good as Lewis', i like him and i was more entertained by his fights than Lewis'.

Dempsey 1919

11-04-2005, 04:32 PM

Ah, that's a tough one. But, in his prime, I think Tyson takes all of them. Lewis could not handle the power that Tyson displayed early on in his career. Now, Holyfield would take all the shots that Mike would dish out because he has a good chin and is an undaunted warrior. But, in the end, the fight would have to be stopped because Mike inflicted to much damage on him. Now, this is Mike in his PRIME...I am fully aware that Mike lost to both of these guys in horrible, seemingly deplorable fashion. I just think in his prime, he takes both of them out.
tyson would beat lennox, but not evander holyfield. he is just too skilled.

by da way, you're sig is disgusting lol! :(
mine is better and da best! :cool:

Dr.Depravity

11-04-2005, 05:19 PM

Sn1

11-04-2005, 05:52 PM

Who is the best from this 3 legends? (Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield)
tyson did more in a shorter amount of time but lewis dominated
for longer so he gets my pic, cant say i really know much about
holyfield other than his later fights with lewis, tyson, ruiz etc

JMCbulls

11-04-2005, 06:31 PM

i put lewis, j/ b/c he beat the other 2

onetwopunch

11-05-2005, 04:45 AM

Potentialy Tyson, but as far as achivements Holyfield, 2 division champ, Undisputed Light Heavy weight champ and 3 or 4 time Heavy weight champ. Neither Lewis or Tyson come close to Holyfields achievements in pro boxing.

Kid_Diamond

11-05-2005, 10:01 AM

................vote...................

Linx

11-05-2005, 10:05 AM

Lewis is terms of accomplishments (He has beaten both Tyson and Holyfield)

Tyson in terms of talent (Tyson 1986-89 had a mystic that was un matched)

Holyfield in terms of P4P ( Undisputed Champ at Cruiser and Heavyweight)

Linx

11-05-2005, 10:06 AM

Kimmy

11-05-2005, 10:22 AM

I think you mean Undisputed Cruiser weight champ.
He did. I know lewis is superior in accomplishments but i vote Holyfield. The fact that he came up the weight and competed with super large heavies and beat most of them in his prime, the guy had an awesome career. Yes lewis beat him but the second fight was very competative and he is the ultimate warrior.

Linx

11-05-2005, 10:37 AM

He did. I know lewis is superior in accomplishments but i vote Holyfield. The fact that he came up the weight and competed with super large heavies and beat most of them in his prime, the guy had an awesome career. Yes lewis beat him but the second fight was very competative and he is the ultimate warrior.

You can make a great case for Holyfield but I would still pick Lewis. Like I said he is/should be 3-0 against both Tyson and Holyfield. He beat the next heir apparant in Vitali in his last fight and now Vitali is unversially recognised as the linear heavyweight champ. He also beat much better contenders than Holyfield and has beaten everyone he has faced.

Holyfield is a kinda fighter that is GOOD at everything but GREAT at nothing (excpet chin and heart). Good speed but not in the class as Ali or Tyson. Good power but not in the same class as Foreman, Shavers or even Lewis. Good hook, but its no Frazier or Tyson hook. Good technique but not in the class as Joe Louis. He lacks that a real weapon in which Tyson has (Speed and double handed power) and Lewis also has (Major power in cross and uppercut and size and reach.)

Kimmy

11-05-2005, 10:49 AM

You can make a great case for Holyfield but I would still pick Lewis. Like I said he is/should be 3-0 against both Tyson and Holyfield. He beat the next heir apparant in Vitali in his last fight and now Vitali is unversially recognised as the linear heavyweight champ. He also beat much better contenders than Holyfield and has beaten everyone he has faced.

Holyfield is a kinda fighter that is GOOD at everything but GREAT at nothing (excpet chin and heart). Good speed but not in the class as Ali or Tyson. Good power but not in the same class as Foreman, Shavers or even Lewis. Good hook, but its no Frazier or Tyson hook. Good technique but not in the class as Joe Louis. He lacks that a real weapon in which Tyson has (Speed and double handed power) and Lewis also has (Major power in cross and uppercut and size and reach.)
You have to count the excitement value of Evander. When he beat Tyson, everyone was happy ( except MikeTysonJr, he cried all night ). People rooted for Holydfield. Remember the fights with Tyson! Everyone cheered for Holy and in the second fight with Tyson no one cheered for Mike. He was boxer who held the world heavyweight title for most of the decade of the 90`s and this i think gets my vote. Lewis may have been better but Evander was 215 lbs, 6ft 2. He was the warrior, the over achiever, he is the man!

Mike Tyson Jr.

11-05-2005, 10:50 AM

Tyson is the best without a doubt

Linx

11-05-2005, 10:52 AM

You have to count the excitement value of Evander. When he beat Tyson, everyone was happy ( except MikeTysonJr, he cried all night ). People rooted for Holydfield. Remember the fights with Tyson! Everyone cheered for Holy and in the second fight with Tyson no one cheered for Mike. He was boxer who held the world heavyweight title for most of the decade of the 90`s and this i think gets my vote. Lewis may have been better but Evander was 215 lbs, 6ft 2. He was the warrior, the over achiever, he is the man!

I don't rank greatness base on who the fans cheer for, its not a popularity contest. Like I said you can make a great argument for Holy, but I'm sticking with Lewis.

Kimmy

11-05-2005, 10:54 AM

Tyson is the best without a doubt
Drop dead !

Mike Tyson Jr.

11-05-2005, 10:57 AM

Tysons record and history speaks
for itself.

leff

11-05-2005, 11:01 AM

Tyson is the best without a doubt

Is that why lewis and hlyfield both kicked his ass?

Kimmy

11-05-2005, 11:05 AM

Tysons record and history speaks
for itself.
Convicted sex offender and was stopped by Kevin McBride, i agree with your post 100%!

Mike Tyson Jr.

11-05-2005, 11:11 AM

Convicted sex offender and was stopped by Kevin McBride, i agree with your post 100%!

the greatest of all time cannot
be destroyed by your hate,
Tyson LIVES

Kimmy

11-05-2005, 11:15 AM

the greatest of all time cannot
be destroyed by your hate,
Tyson LIVES
it didn`t need my hate, mcbride beat the **** out of him, do you remember, Kevin McBride, the bum, he destoryed Tyson, so did Williams, who boxing's mr clean, Vitali, beat up! Do you remember all this, that Tyson was beaten up?

Kid_Diamond

11-06-2005, 03:43 AM

Tyson is the best

Tha Greatest

11-06-2005, 03:48 AM

Tyson is the best

Kid Diamond in his last fight=pwned!

Kid_Diamond

11-09-2005, 10:13 AM

do not forget to vote

Kid_Diamond

11-11-2005, 09:01 AM

i'll place Thread up

Derranged

11-11-2005, 09:03 AM

Lennox Lewis. People who picked Tyson are living off the name, just like I used to. Once someone stood up to Tyson he fell apart because he was mentally weak. Holyfield was great but got beat a lot.

DiegoFuego

11-11-2005, 11:23 AM

I can solve this quite easily. Any meaningful list of the top 10 heavyweights of all time (lists made by the experts and sportswriters) ALWAYS has Lewis above Holyfield and Holyfield above Tyson. I can't believe people think Tyson was some kind of God. Are you all just New Yorkers or what?

Kid_Diamond

11-16-2005, 08:43 AM

till 200 votes

Kid_Diamond

11-19-2005, 07:48 AM

Vote more actively, please!

Truth

11-19-2005, 08:33 AM

That makes sense considering both guys owned his ass.

Its not all about stats, its about alot of factors. One big factor is entertainment. And no one entertained like Mike Tyson. Not to make you angry Diego.

muay

11-19-2005, 08:37 AM

Lennox Lewis, retired as a champion.

the most exciting - Mike Tyson

Kid_Diamond

11-23-2005, 10:04 AM

6 votes, pls

MickyHatton

11-23-2005, 12:08 PM

FOR ME, Tyson was slighty overated, yes he was brutal and dominant but which of the greats of his era did he really beat well?

Holmes way too old, Spinks too small and no heart, Berbick was never a great fighter, Bruno no defense, Tucker no condition and Thomas no real ability.

Tall strong fighters gave him real trouble i.e. Bone Crusher Smith, Tony Tucker, therefore he would FOR ME he would have always have found it too much against Lewis!

Lewis was far from flawless, his problem was not a weak chin it was a weak work ethic he took certain fighters for granted and paid for it badly, he beat Holyfield and Tyson becuase he respected them and took them seriously.
Lewis though had the far better skills and he could punch, he got too heavy towards the end of his career but was still the best around.

Holyfield was robotic and a little thoughtless but he had the heart of a lion!

FOR ME in their hey day!

Lewis could have beaten both.
Tyson would have had too much for Holyfield and he would have needed medical attention due to his bravery.

Baddest man on da planet

11-23-2005, 12:50 PM

u must be crazy tyson could easily beat lewis to fast to much power and he would beat holyfield easily 2.

MickyHatton

11-23-2005, 12:59 PM

But he didn't did he!!!

Lewis and Tyson and Holyfield were all the approx same age and Lewis destroyed Tyson and beat Holyfield (Twice really)

What he may have done is irrelavant, the record books will show the facts, Lewis beat both therefore he was better than both!

Lewis had a longer amateur career and wanted an Olympic gold which he got, Tyson was not selected for the same Olympics so Lewis beat Riddick Bowe.

There was no advantage in age, the only differnce was that Tyson served time but he still came out and won titles, I cant see a good argument here.

If a fighter of similar age beats another fighter EASILY' then it a simple decision.

Tyson was still a great fighter as was Holyfield but for me Lewis was better!

Kimmy

11-23-2005, 01:10 PM

u must be crazy tyson could easily beat lewis to fast to much power and he would beat holyfield easily 2.
I don't understand where your coming from. Tyson fought lewis and Holyfield twice and never looked like winning any of those fights. Further more, if you combine the amount of rounds Tyson won in those three fights how many did he win? 3 or 4 total.
Tyson is hard pressed to win rounds against these two guys let alone the fight. I'd like to say Tyson was shot before these fights but all his fans were saying how Tyson was gonna win so he MUST have been in top condition!

Baddest man on da planet

11-23-2005, 01:39 PM

so if im not mistaken then Trevor Berbick is better than ali cause he beat him i dont think so mickeyhatton tyson and holyfield were way past their primes when they fought lewis.

Shaolin Bushido

11-23-2005, 01:45 PM

Based on accomplishment and head up match ups which is probably the most accurate indicators; Lennox. It is difficult to hate on Evander cause he just showed so much grit, heart and determination in there along with more than his share of accolades n the division.

Of course, Tyson will always have his supporters based on the hype(there was a little excess, you must admit), his exciting knockout style, his early reign of terror over anyone who dared face him and the possibility that he would have fulfilled the destiny most saw back in the 80's and early 90's if he didn't so obviously piss away/squander his prime in jail, being trained by his homies or just drinking, smoking and taking his career for granted.

In short ... Tyson was the best!(jk) Lennox, who retired as Champ and avenged both his losses by devestating knockout as well as winning against Holy(twice; that draw stunk up the place), and KO'ing Tyson in a bout we and Iron Mike could have done without.

MickyHatton

11-24-2005, 04:05 AM

so if im not mistaken then Trevor Berbick is better than ali cause he beat him i dont think so mickeyhatton tyson and holyfield were way past their primes when they fought lewis.

How is that similar, Ali lost to Berbick on a split?

Also there was a huge age difference and Ali had far too many fights and was shot as well as the beginning of Parkinsons???

I'll say it again, Tyson and Lewis were of similar age and number of fights AND Lewis easily knocked him out, in fact he bullied and battered Tyson.
Tyson himself said that he could have have fought Lewis a hundred times and never won.

Why is there this Tyson was the best regardless of his record attitude from many, if the prison spell ruined his career then that his problem, Ali's best years were also taken away yet we call him the greatest!!!

Lewis beat Tyson and Holyfield on a relatively level playing field therefore its simple!

RiverCityMike

11-24-2005, 04:12 AM

I've gotta go with Holyfield, but I'm a sucker for hard work vs natural talent and a ****ty attitude. Holyfield was at the top of 2 weightclasses not just one. As a former light heavyweight and a very small heavyweight no one expected holyfield to just get into Tyson's chest and kick his ass. Everyone thought that he would have to box like Buster. Holyfield didn't outbox Mike, he beat him up. He lost badly to Lennox, but he was way beyond his prime and Lennox was a new era of superheavyweights; Hoyfield got lucky with Bowe.

RiverCityMike

11-24-2005, 04:19 AM

Tysons the best, followed by Holyfield, followed by Lewis. Lewis didnt have the chin needed to beat a prime Tyson and i see him falling like the great Larry Holmes did to Tyson.

Man, Holmes was as old as most people's grandpa when he fought Tyson and still went what? 11 or was it 10? Holmes was the blueprint for Buster Douglas' systematic destruction of Mike. Holmes would have done that if that fight were 10 yrs earlier.

just honorable mention: I would say that Holmes is the most under-rated heavyweight champ of all time. Holmes would have beaten Marciano, Louis, Johnson in 1 day like Dempsey's fair ****.

Kid_Diamond

11-29-2005, 09:16 AM

after 200 votes - it's DRAW for Holy and Mike!

Shaolin Bushido

11-29-2005, 10:21 AM

You guys do know that people can access the individual ballots and tell who you picked right?

If after TWO HUNDRED at least familiar with boxing fans really feel the way this poll says ... I'm ashamed to have participated in it. It shows that this board is just partisan to Americans or stupid as some crackhead or bum on the street concerning boxing.

This is my last post ... on this thread. It has no credibility.

Maybe you should just change the thread title to, "Which of these 3 guys sold the most papers?" OR "Which two of these guys doesn't have sense enough to quit?" Then I could see Tyson and Holy in a tie ahead of Lennox.

Shaolin Bushido

11-29-2005, 10:25 AM

Man, Holmes was as old as most people's grandpa when he fought Tyson and still went what? 11 or was it 10? Holmes was the blueprint for Buster Douglas' systematic destruction of Mike. Holmes would have done that if that fight were 10 yrs earlier.

just honorable mention: I would say that Holmes is the most under-rated heavyweight champ of all time. Holmes would have beaten Marciano, Louis, Johnson in 1 day like Dempsey's fair ****.
Dude, Holmes lasted only 4 rds with Tyson. He had been retired and hastily prepared for the fight and got his bells rung. Prime Holmes wins that fight or at least acquits himself respectably.