View Full Version : Who wins on Oct 2: W Klitschko or D Williamson ?


Nautilus
09-28-2004, 06:22 PM
Opinions, anyone ?

NiGe2011
09-28-2004, 06:24 PM
Opinions, anyone ?

Klitschko in a route here, look for Williamson to go out quickly similar to his fight with Baby Joe. Klitchko's chin is shakey, Williamson's is horrible.

Neuraxis
09-28-2004, 06:25 PM
If Wlad loses to someone with a weaker chin than his own, he is finished. Therefore I am going to go with Wlad.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 06:27 PM
If Wlad loses to someone with a weaker chin than his own, he is finished. Therefore I am going to go with Wlad.


Byrd has been beaten as bad as Wlad but he came back to prosper under King. :rolleyes:

Neuraxis
09-28-2004, 06:33 PM
Wait Byrd isn't finished? He has two gift decesions in a row. One to a old, shot Golota and the other to an extremely overrated Oquendo. If McCline doesn't come in there like the wimp that he usually is he should win. Why should McCline fear Byrd's power? McCline better win.

m00ks
09-28-2004, 06:33 PM
Wlad but he better watch his water bottle and make sure it ain't drugged lol

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 06:37 PM
Wait Byrd isn't finished? He has two gift decesions in a row. One to a old, shot Golota and the other to an extremely overrated Oquendo. If McCline doesn't come in there like the wimp that he usually is he should win. Why should McCline fear Byrd's power? McCline better win.

McCline does not have good boxing skills. It will be hard for him to beat or KO Byrd.

Neuraxis
09-28-2004, 06:42 PM
I know, but Byrd doesn't move like he used to so I am hoping he just rushes him. This is probably the perfect matchup for Byrd though.

neils7147933
09-28-2004, 06:49 PM
Opinions, anyone ?

Like you're going to get someone who honestly is going to pick Williamson...

m00ks
09-28-2004, 06:55 PM
Like you're going to get someone who honestly is going to pick Williamson...

No one would. Then again, who picked Johnsono over RJJ?

abdiel2k3
09-28-2004, 07:07 PM
Like you're going to get someone who honestly is going to pick Williamson...

well guess what
with what happened to roy dis weekend
im picken williamson
plus wlads already been beat by ****ty oppostion
as far as im concerned Williamson is a step up in class from brewster
its gonna be lights out for Wlad
and after Vit gets done with Williams
hes gonna go ahead and clean up Wlads mess again
and beat the **** outta williamson

QueenCity
09-28-2004, 07:08 PM
I love to see Williamson get the job done. But from what i've see of him, I say it will be a quick knockout for Klitchko.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 07:13 PM
Like you're going to get someone who honestly is going to pick Williamson...

I have read a nice article about Williamson at www.klitschko.com. I'd post it here, but it is in Russian. In a nutshell, Williamson has had a good amateur career before turning professional; he is smart, with a PhD (?) in business administration; and he’s got a nice family. He has every good motivation to do well in this fight.

Williamson will offer a serious competition.

neils7147933
09-28-2004, 07:15 PM
You missed the Mesi fight, huh?

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 07:15 PM
You missed the Mesi fight, huh?


I did not.

GranTorino
09-28-2004, 07:17 PM
Im pretty sure Wlad's gonna knock his ass out around round five or six.

abdiel2k3
09-28-2004, 07:18 PM
You missed the Mesi fight, huh?

i know
baby hoe knocked him da fuk out
but i still think wlads done for the most part
b4 he was apprenhsive about being attacked after being ko'd by sanders
now hes gonna think twice about his fast n furious bombarding style
im quite curious to see how he'll fight this fight
but if he loses
its ok
no **** off my ass
and if he wins same thing
but im just feelin an upset

FistFest
09-28-2004, 07:20 PM
Klitchko will win by KO in the early rounds!

psychopath
09-28-2004, 07:24 PM
I'm not really a fan of Klitscho but he is obviously ahead of his competition here . . . so I'd pick him to win. I know Klitscho realizes that another loss here might put him on boxing's darkzone forever . . . so he'll go in there well prepared. We will see ;)

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 07:59 PM
Klitchko will win by KO in the early rounds!


I wish he actually fights the full fight and takes a decision.

neils7147933
09-28-2004, 08:06 PM
I don't think a decision over a guy who most recently got KO'd in 90 seconds helps re-establish Wlad as a monster, especially when the Wlad of old only went the distance twice. It reaffirms that he's not in the top tier. Wlad needs a KO.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 08:15 PM
I don't think a decision over a guy who most recently got KO'd in 90 seconds helps re-establish Wlad as a monster, especially when the Wlad of old only went the distance twice. It reaffirms that he's not in the top tier. Wlad needs a KO.


he will have to put a series of wins to reestablish himself; one win won't do it.

neils7147933
09-28-2004, 08:21 PM
You're probably right, but in the age of 4+ champions and lots of name guys not holding belts, an easy KO win sets up AT LEAST another Showtime main event and maybe a spot on a PPV card. A loss probably means his next one isn't televised in the States.

Kali Meehan, who had done nothing of note prior to Sept. 4, officially lost to Lamon Brewster and was rewarded with a PPV spot in Nov. Wlad could do the same.

Neuraxis
09-28-2004, 08:51 PM
I have read a nice article about Williamson at www.klitschko.com. I'd post it here, but it is in Russian. In a nutshell, Williamson has had a good amateur career before turning professional; he is smart, with a PhD (?) in business administration; and he’s got a nice family. He has every good motivation to do well in this fight.

Williamson will offer a serious competition.

I think it was a masters in business administration.

Yarmez
09-28-2004, 08:51 PM
I go with wlad, yes his chin is very suspect, but i think he's a man on a mission, with something to prove.

Wlad by 2nd round KO

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 08:52 PM
I think it was a masters in business administration.


I thought so, but the Russian version said it was "doctorate".

psychopath
09-28-2004, 08:55 PM
he will have to put a series of wins to reestablish himself; one win won't do it.



Well you are both right . . . that's why on this one I want to see him make a late round K.O. Hopefully a round 8 or 9 K.O. He needs to re-establish his name, his ego and his reputation slowly but surely. Making an early K.O. on this fight won't do him good.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 08:55 PM
I thought so, but the Russian version said it was "doctorate".


Of course, an MBA is a much more likely degree than a PhD in BA.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 09:04 PM
Of course, an MBA is a much more likely degree than a PhD in BA.


It could also be that their web-editors are not U.S.-based, so they don't have a clue about translating U.S. degrees to equivalent Russian/German degrees.

neils7147933
09-28-2004, 09:05 PM
I thought his PhD was in physical education

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 09:07 PM
I thought his PhD was in physical education


Wlad's Candidate of Science degree was in physical education, and Williamson's Master of Science degree was in business administration.

neils7147933
09-28-2004, 09:12 PM
Wlad's Candidate of Science degree was in physical education, and Williamson's Master of Science degree was in business administration.

You're right. Thanks.

At least these two guys don't HAVE to fight to feed themselves. That's a good thing, to have two guys with clean criminal backgrounds and education in a nationally televised main event.

I'm all for people using boxing to better themselves, but there's too many wife batterers, drug abusers, rapists, and other assorted bad boys sucking up headlines.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 09:17 PM
I'm all for people using boxing to better themselves, but there's too many wife batterers, drug abusers, rapists, and other assorted bad boys sucking up headlines.


Yep. That's a problem.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 09:24 PM
You're right. Thanks.

At least these two guys don't HAVE to fight to feed themselves. That's a good thing, to have two guys with clean criminal backgrounds and education in a nationally televised main event.



I found a very nice biography of Williamson on his website:

http://www.tosboxing.com/biography.htm

neils7147933
09-28-2004, 09:26 PM
Good stuff. It's a shame I don't think he's going to last long on Saturday. But I guess anyone - Michael Moorer, John Ruiz, Hasim Rahman, Kali Meehan - can get KO'd quickly in a big fight and still have a decent career.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 09:37 PM
Good stuff. It's a shame I don't think he's going to last long on Saturday. But I guess anyone - Michael Moorer, John Ruiz, Hasim Rahman, Kali Meehan - can get KO'd quickly in a big fight and still have a decent career.

Good point.

tino
09-28-2004, 09:39 PM
based on both fighters chins , i bet on a first round double KO.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 09:48 PM
based on both fighters chins , i bet on a first round double KO.

Using the same prediction rule, one could have predicted Rahman KO2 Sanders KO2 Rahman.

Neuraxis
09-28-2004, 09:54 PM
Sanders doesn't have a weak chin though.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 10:01 PM
Sanders doesn't have a weak chin though.


I never said that he does. Once Sanders had been KOed in 2, but obviously that did not have much of an effect on his later fights. Likewise, KO1 of Williamson is not a proof of a weak chin, at least not yet.

Neuraxis
09-28-2004, 10:14 PM
I never said that he does. Once Sanders had been KOed in 2, but obviously that did not have much of an effect on his later fights. Likewise, KO1 of Williamson is not a proof of a weak chin, at least not yet.

Well Williamson was also knocked down in his last fight by Eliecer soft hitting Castillo who is 26-4 with 14 KOs.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 10:16 PM
Well Williamson was also knocked down in his last fight by Eliecer soft hitting Castillo who is 26-4 with 14 KOs.


Good to know ... did not know that.

neils7147933
09-28-2004, 10:32 PM
Well Williamson was also knocked down in his last fight by Eliecer soft hitting Castillo who is 26-4 with 14 KOs.

That's the guy Michael Moorer lost to isn't it?

Neuraxis
09-28-2004, 10:36 PM
That's the guy Michael Moorer lost to isn't it?

Nope, close names though. Eliseo Castillo beat Moorer. Eliecer Castillo lost to Williamson.

neils7147933
09-28-2004, 10:37 PM
Wow. That's like a guy named Osco De La Hoya fighting. lol

Neuraxis
09-28-2004, 10:39 PM
Haha yeah, I wonder if they are related they were both born in Havana, Cuba, and now they both live in Miami, Florida.

Nautilus
09-28-2004, 10:47 PM
Wow. That's like a guy named Osco De La Hoya fighting. lol


Taking a name like that actually may be a good strategy for a starting good boxer :rolleyes: Koreans did well with their Hyndai version of Honda etc.

PBDS
09-28-2004, 11:06 PM
I'm going with Wlad but who the hells knows whats going through his head nowadays.

Eeyore
09-28-2004, 11:48 PM
Wlad by a long shot

TheFairPole
09-29-2004, 12:49 AM
Haha yeah, I wonder if they are related they were both born in Havana, Cuba, and now they both live in Miami, Florida.
Yes they are brothers!!! And I pick Vlad by early K.O.

Winter
09-29-2004, 03:14 AM
I think Wladimir will win.

jabsRstiff
09-29-2004, 07:51 AM
Williamson's best chance is to get right on Wlad, fire his big right, in an attempt to either take Wlad out or to shake up his confidence.
Of course, this increases the chances of the frail Williamson walking into Wlad's heavy artillery.
But, if he stays outside, Wlad will bomb him from there....& Williamson will have no chance.

guru
09-29-2004, 09:39 AM
yeah, DW only has one weapon, the right hand.... i think wlad will make some subtle changes to his style... not be so straightforward, more jabbing and less left hooks(leaves him open against smaller guys)... i think you'll se wlad fight more defensively and from the outside...

FibreOptic
09-29-2004, 10:07 AM
I have read a nice article about Williamson at www.klitschko.com. I'd post it here, but it is in Russian. In a nutshell, Williamson has had a good amateur career before turning professional; he is smart, with a PhD (?) in business administration; and he’s got a nice family. He has every good motivation to do well in this fight.

Williamson will offer a serious competition.
Actually, Williamson has a Masters, not a PhD. Wlad is the one with the PhD.

Nautilus
09-29-2004, 10:51 AM
Actually, Williamson has a Masters, not a PhD. Wlad is the one with the PhD.


Klichko's Russian website claimed Davarryl Williamson has a "doctorate", but they obviously made a mistake in translation.