He Retired on his stool while winning big vs byrd with an injured shoulder and has been called a ***** ***** ever since,



then fought lennox lewis with the worse cut ever in boxing for 3 rounds with his "face torn off" and yet still wanted to continue.



Vitali Klitschko heart or no heart cast your vote

hate him or not... but don't say he has no heart!

Everyone is entitled to making mistakes... and whatever the issue was with Byrd... quitter, or not.. he sure learned from it!

vitali had to stay on his stool because of a torn rotator cuff. ever had one of those? hurts, dont it? u wana stay in the fight for 6 more minutes of fighting, endure ungodly pain, and risk permanent injury? or do you wana let the **** have the cheap win so u can say "i'll get you back"?

vitali was cut and wanted to continue because he knew he had the ability to KO lewis and victory was so damn close, he could taste it. but the doctor stopped the fight and vitali was openly upset about the stoppage.

in the byrd fight, vitali thought he won in his mind. beside, does any1 REALLY think byrd truely won that fight?... i didnt think so...

have to go with heart, He took a real beaten from LL, although he would have been KO'd within the next 2 rounds, he was still in there trying to win.

I reluctantly voted "HEART" only because of the intestinal fortitude he displayed when he "beat"(in the ring, not in the records column) Lennox Lewis. He would have had that fight, heck, if it wasn't for the eye injury, he had the fight!!! Lennox was out of shape and outclassed by Vitali, and that my fellow Pugilism Scholars is the true reasaon why L.L. retired.

asking this question is like saying Hector Camacho Jr. Heart or No Heart? ....when we clearly know the answer to the question

Why is he so inactive then?

What a chump he is...

EvilSaint, yes it mustve hurt, look at ALL the other fighters and the pain they went through..

Hopkins fought with a dislocated shoulder

Gatti fought with a broken hand many times

Look at Holyfield..

Look at Meldrick Taylor..

Look at Thomas Hearns..

Look at Aaron Pryor..

I'm sorry, Vitali Klitschko does not deserve to be in the same group as them...

No warrior quits when they're winning and the fights almost over and fighting a little ***** like Chris Byrd...

Why is he so inactive then?

What a chump he is...

EvilSaint, yes it mustve hurt, look at ALL the other fighters and the pain they went through..

Hopkins fought with a dislocated shoulder

Gatti fought with a broken hand many times

Look at Holyfield..

Look at Meldrick Taylor..

Look at Thomas Hearns..

Look at Aaron Pryor..

I'm sorry, Vitali Klitschko does not deserve to be in the same group as them...

No warrior quits when they're winning and the fights almost over and fighting a little ***** like Chris Byrd...As you know how our opinions go apart when it comes to Klitchkos... I still think you're a cool kid/prospect..

1 - I hope you don't get injured if you ever turn pro, but that's like saying don't get into an accident once you start driving....

2 - If you do get a torn rotator cuff... have enough brain to call it quits and not jeopardize the rest of your carrer. People who had that type of injury say it's unbearable pain... so how can one judge if he hasn't gone through similar experience.

Yes I know Holy did it against Byrd..
By no means I mean to compare the two.. Evender is a one of a kind warrior... and he really gets psyched up for each fight, but that's his life and his own decisions..
Besides, who can compare.. different people take pain differently.

Also, V-Ko still had his whole career in front of him, where Holy was at the end of his. Who knows.. if he was to continue it might have impacted him in the future.... and he was to beat Byrd and than loose or retire due to a messed up showlder... Would he even be able to get to the level where he is today? He would have probably be forgotten as a good prospect as he was, and soon written off due to Wlad's Losses....

My take.. it was a good decision

Imagine you are a good talent who happens to be white and a media darling. You have the chance to make tons of money. Now there's this guy who got beaten badly by you and suddenly your shoudler hurts like hell. They tell you in the corner that this injury might force you to retire if you continue fighting ...to retire...forever. You think of all the money you could make, of all the fame you could get, of that fn pain and of that guy that didnt stand a chance. How would you decide?

As you know how our opinions go apart when it comes to Klitchkos... I still think you're a cool kid/prospect..

1 - I hope you don't get injured if you ever turn pro, but that's like saying don't get into an accident once you start driving....

2 - If you do get a torn rotator cuff... have enough brain to call it quits and not jeopardize the rest of your carrer. People who had that type of injury say it's unbearable pain... so how can one judge if he hasn't gone through similar experience.

Yes I know Holy did it against Byrd..
By no means I mean to compare the two.. Evender is a one of a kind warrior... and he really gets psyched up for each fight, but that's his life and his own decisions..
Besides, who can compare.. different people take pain differently.

Also, V-Ko still had his whole career in front of him, where Holy was at the end of his. Who knows.. if he was to continue it might have impacted him in the future.... and he was to beat Byrd and than loose or retire due to a messed up showlder... Would he even be able to get to the level where he is today? He would have probably be forgotten as a good prospect as he was, and soon written off due to Wlad's Losses....

My take.. it was a good decision

Thanks bro,

either way I'm biased:D lol

but about your sig and list of upsets, I wouldn't really consider Reid or Johnson upsets because they were both the underdog..

Imagine you are a good talent who happens to be white and a media darling. You have the chance to make tons of money. Now there's this guy who got beaten badly by you and suddenly your shoudler hurts like hell. They tell you in the corner that this injury might force you to retire if you continue fighting ...to retire...forever. You think of all the money you could make, of all the fame you could get, of that fn pain and of that guy that didnt stand a chance. How would you decide?

all this happened in a span of 10 seconds? shut your stupid face. they didn't say, "OH VITALI QUIT ON THE STOOL AND SAVE YOUR CAREER". the translator clearly repeats what the cornerman said, "IT'S FINE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT"

watch the fight again, your ignorant piece of ****. Vitali quit because he is a wuss. he went through hell with Lewis to try and prove he wasn't a wuss, but by dodging every decent contender since Lewis, he's proven to be a wuss again. the Lewis victory evened his quit/heart record. his actions since then have lowered it again.

Hasim Rahman is going to knock Vitali into next week

all this happened in a span of 10 seconds? shut your stupid face. they didn't say, "OH VITALI QUIT ON THE STOOL AND SAVE YOUR CAREER". the translator clearly repeats what the cornerman said, "IT'S FINE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT"

watch the fight again, your ignorant piece of ****. Vitali quit because he is a wuss. he went through hell with Lewis to try and prove he wasn't a wuss, but by dodging every decent contender since Lewis, he's proven to be a wuss again. the Lewis victory evened his quit/heart record. his actions since then have lowered it again.

Well, I've watched this fight and Fritz Sdunek (Vitalis trainer) speaks German in the corner. I am German and believe me, I do speak the language.

I'm not calling you an ignorant piece of **** now but you've earned every right of feeling like one. :)

Hasim Rahman is going to knock Vitali into next week

Hasim Rahman is a bum who couldnt beat a 50 year old Holyfield, or a John Ruiz...

Well, I've watched this fight and Fritz Sdunek (Vitalis trainer) speaks German in the corner. I am German and believe me, I do speak the language.

I'm not calling you an ignorant piece of **** now but you've earned every right of feeling like one. :)

Are you telling me you speak better German than the translator for HBO? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH nice try, *******.

Nice Matrix outfit by the way, loser :cool:

would beating rahman "even out" his heart/quit scale then gayiego

No, the only times you show heart are when you're in danger. You don't get too many chances to show your heart, so when you do, you have to make it count. Vitali didn't do that against Byrd, so he tried to make up for it by fighting against Lewis, albeit the WORST version of Lewis that's ever stepped into a ring. If Vitali is in danger of being knocked out (busted up or even cut again) and comes back to beat Rahman, then I'll say he has heart. Fighting a gutsy fight against an old, out of shape, unfocused, unprepared Lewis and losing isn't my idea of heart.

Quitting on your stool against a fighter with KO power like Chris Byrd isn't my idea of heart either, lol

would beating rahman "even out" his heart/quit scale then gayiego

should I be insulted or laugh my ass off? cuz right now, I'm laughing pretty hard at that attempt

hahahahaha at the matrix suit comment

danny williams has more heart

in fact danny williams has 2 hearts

Vitali deffinately has heart...

rahman is still a good fighter but i think vitali would beat him. ppl wanted to c the vitlia willaims fight, bcuz it was the man who KO'd tyson.... otherwise it was probably going to be tyson vs vitali

but gayiego, with the lack of talent in the heavyweight divsion, people say rahman is the only threat, and u have seen how vitali easly dominates his oppenets, when rahman goes down, how will vitali ever be in danger if no one is good enough to put him in it?

but gayiego, with the lack of talent in the heavyweight divsion, people say rahman is the only threat, and u have seen how vitali easly dominates his oppenets, when rahman goes down, how will vitali ever be in danger if no one is good enough to put him in it?


if Chris Byrd had him in danger then I think anybody in the top 10 could have him there, lol

The man had a torn rotator cuff. Granted, he could have probably continued, but is it worth microscopic surgery to prove you can fight with one arm for the last two rounds in a fight you're dominating anyways? Injuries like that can damage a fighter permanently.

VK has heart but I am not convinced he has a great champion. Who has he beat since becoming champion? Danny Williams? :D

if Chris Byrd had him in danger then I think anybody in the top 10 could have him there, lol


how did chris byrd have him in danger?

Why is he so inactive then?

What a chump he is...

EvilSaint, yes it mustve hurt, look at ALL the other fighters and the pain they went through..

Hopkins fought with a dislocated shoulder

Gatti fought with a broken hand many times

Look at Holyfield..

Look at Meldrick Taylor..

Look at Thomas Hearns..

Look at Aaron Pryor..

I'm sorry, Vitali Klitschko does not deserve to be in the same group as them...

No warrior quits when they're winning and the fights almost over and fighting a little ***** like Chris Byrd...

look at the list u put together, none of these guys can speak clearly at all. Except for Hopkins who doesn't get invovled in wars.

The man had a torn rotator cuff. Granted, he could have probably continued, but is it worth microscopic surgery to prove you can fight with one arm for the last two rounds in a fight you're dominating anyways? Injuries like that can damage a fighter permanently.

So did Holyfield. I don't remember Holyfield quitting on his stool after the 2nd round or anytime thereafter for that matter...

how did chris byrd have him in danger?

umm he knocked Klitschko out...I'd say that's having him in danger, bud

My take.. it was a good decision

I agree. If I remember correctly, I believe the ring doctor recommended Vitali retire from the fight to reduce the risk of permanent damage, although the doctor could not confirm the extent of the injury from ringside and stop the fight him/herself.

Given those options, I'm glad he retired from the fight with Byrd, so we could enjoy his fights since then, and in the future.

Vitali is a heartless joke, he is done and he doesn't even know it. he loses his next fight by knockout regardless of opponent

look at the list u put together, none of these guys can speak clearly at all. Except for Hopkins who doesn't get invovled in wars.

Chris Byrd couldn't give brain damage to a fly...

but gayiego

Gayest diss ever...

umm he knocked Klitschko out...I'd say that's having him in danger, bud

What fight was this in?

holy **** chris byrd knocked vitali klitscho out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 my god i never knew that :eek: :eek: :eek:

Vitali is a heartless joke, he is done and he doesn't even know it. he loses his next fight by knockout regardless of opponent

i agree as long as the opponent is a top 10 heavyweight

I agree. If I remember correctly, I believe the ring doctor recommended Vitali retire from the fight to reduce the risk of permanent damage, although the doctor could not confirm the extent of the injury from ringside and stop the fight him/herself.

Given those options, I'm glad he retired from the fight with Byrd, so we could enjoy his fights since then, and in the future.

sounds like you haven't seen the fight. you remember a doctor telling Vitali to stop but you can't remember if it was a guy or a girl?

sounds like BULL**** to me

how many of you have actually seen this fight???? Vitali's corner told him to continue, and he said "it hurts too much" and quit like a ***** and tried to make up for it by talking to the crowd after the fight, lol

What fight was this in?

April 1, 2000 in Germany. Check it out, it's on boxrec.com

Chris Byrd couldn't give brain damage to a fly...

i agree, so maybe he should have continued. Didn't Toney continue after tearing his bicep in the 2 round and went 8 more rounds winnin geach of them?

I dont think he has as much heart as most of you are giving him credit for. For one, he moves back and keeps people at bay with his reach. Not to mention he never gets hit flush enough to really tell how much heart he has.

People are basing their judgement as to the "Lewis" fight.

Oh and once again:

1.) Gatti fought from the 4th round on after breaking his hand against Ward.

2.) Raymond Joval fought with a broken jaw and went 12 rounds.

3.) Instead of electing to Win the fight by Disqualification......Hopkins decided to continue fighting with a dislocated shoulder in the echols fight.

Vitali quit against a middleweight.

Oh and once again:

1.) Gatti fought from the 4th round on after breaking his hand against Ward.

2.) Raymond Joval fought with a broken jaw and went 12 rounds.

3.) Instead of electing to Win the fight by Disqualification......Hopkins decided to continue fighting with a dislocated shoulder in the echols fight.

Vitali quit against a middleweight.


Sad but true.

Oh and once again:

1.) Gatti fought from the 4th round on after breaking his hand against Ward.

2.) Raymond Joval fought with a broken jaw and went 12 rounds.

3.) Instead of electing to Win the fight by Disqualification......Hopkins decided to continue fighting with a dislocated shoulder in the echols fight.

Vitali quit against a middleweight.
u keep citing these injuries but none of these are torn rotator cuffs. TORN, not dislocated shoulder, or broken jaw, or broken hand, TORN rotator cuff. ever had one? if u did, would u like to have another?

besides, can byrd honestly say that he deserved that win?

u keep citing these injuries but none of these are torn rotator cuffs. TORN, not dislocated shoulder, or broken jaw, or broken hand, TORN rotator cuff. ever had one? if u did, would u like to have another?

besides, can byrd honestly say that he deserved that win?

thats a terrible argument...fighting with a broken jaw or broken hand shows alot of heart. all vitali can say is that he quit on the stool
also, byrd won because vitali quit, bottom line. i dont see vitali clamoring to get a rematch either

thats a terrible argument...fighting with a broken jaw or broken hand shows alot of heart. all vitali can say is that he quit on the stool
also, byrd won because vitali quit, bottom line. i dont see vitali clamoring to get a rematch either
vitali didnt quit as soon as he got the torn cuff, he quit after a few rounds after it was torn.

even if he quit, byrd got his ass raped by wlad in his next match, a match that he was beaten senseless and lost by a mile-long margin.

in vitali's case, he was winning the fight, he knew he couldve beaten byrd, he knew byrd's a joke, his brother gave byrd one of the biggest beatings of byrd's life, and now his fight with lennox lewis (the fight where vitali DIDNT quit) erased his "quitter" stigma.

who the hell wants to fight byrd anyway?

u keep citing these injuries but none of these are torn rotator cuffs. TORN, not dislocated shoulder, or broken jaw, or broken hand, TORN rotator cuff. ever had one? if u did, would u like to have another?

besides, can byrd honestly say that he deserved that win?

lmfao. Ill take torn rotators in both shoulders, as opposed to fighting with a broken jaw. You imbecile.

vitali didnt quit as soon as he got the torn cuff, he quit after a few rounds after it was torn.

even if he quit, byrd got his ass raped by wlad in his next match, a match that he was beaten senseless and lost by a mile-long margin.

in vitali's case, he was winning the fight, he knew he couldve beaten byrd, he knew byrd's a joke, his brother gave byrd one of the biggest beatings of byrd's life, and now his fight with lennox lewis (the fight where vitali DIDNT quit) erased his "quitter" stigma.

who the hell wants to fight byrd anyway?

That is the stupidest arguement I have ever read on an internet forum.

VK nuthugger Rule #1:

Detract from the factual.

lmfao. Ill take torn rotators in both shoulders, as opposed to fighting with a broken jaw. You imbecile.
"torn rotator cuff in both shoulders"

hmm...

ali broke his jaw in the opening round against ken norton in their first fight. u think hed rather have an injury where he cant even lift either arm instead of just taking the broken jaw and going the distance?

whos the imbecile: the imbecile who fights with one broken jaw or the imbecile who fights with no functioning arms?

"torn rotator cuff in both shoulders"

hmm...

ali broke his jaw in the opening round against ken norton in their first fight. u think hed rather have an injury where he cant even lift either arm instead of just taking the broken jaw and going the distance?

whos the imbecile: the imbecile who fights with one broken jaw or the imbecile who fights with no functioning arms?

Your arguement:

Vitali has heart, because his "Quitting" was erased by his battle with Lewis.

In a related story:

Acelino Freitas was down on all scorecards bigtime against Jorge Barrios. He hung in there, absorbed punishment, and ended up knocking him out in the 12th round. The same Freitas QUIT against Corrales........Did the display of courage against Barrios outweigh the lack of in the corrales fight?

or is that a matter of time? :rolleyes:

Your arguement:

Vitali has heart, because his "Quitting" was erased by his battle with Lewis.

In a related story:

Acelino Freitas was down on all scorecards bigtime against Jorge Barrios. He hung in there, absorbed punishment, and ended up knocking him out in the 12th round. The same Freitas QUIT against Corrales........Did the display of courage against Barrios outweigh the lack of in the corrales fight?

or is that a matter of time? :rolleyes:
was he fighting barrios with a serious, career-threatening injury?
... i didnt think so.

was he fighting barrios with a serious, career-threatening injury?
... i didnt think so.

That is not the point. The subject matter was QUITTING the fight and the reversal of public perception as pertained to.

You cant say it can you? He is a Quitter.

so fighting lewis with his "face being torn off" as u klitschko haters seem to say does not show heart? getting hit with a lewis uppercut from hell and continuing is not showing heart?

and btw the offical score cards for the freitas barrios fight were

105-105, 106-103, 104-106 just for a side note

If I had been in Vitali's position in the Byrd fight I'd probably have quit too.

so fighting lewis with his "face being torn off" as u klitschko haters seem to say does not show heart? getting hit with a lewis uppercut from hell and continuing is not showing heart?

and btw the offical score cards for the freitas barrios fight were

105-105, 106-103, 104-106 just for a side note

i think he showed alot of heart in the LL fight, Also in the Sanders fights, i didn't think he'd be able to take Sander's shot, although VK was hurt a few times, he was abe to stay in there and finish him. I only wish they would have let the LL fight go 2 more rounds. so we wouldn't need to have these threads.

vitali didnt quit as soon as he got the torn cuff, he quit after a few rounds after it was torn.

even if he quit, byrd got his ass raped by wlad in his next match, a match that he was beaten senseless and lost by a mile-long margin.

in vitali's case, he was winning the fight, he knew he couldve beaten byrd, he knew byrd's a joke, his brother gave byrd one of the biggest beatings of byrd's life, and now his fight with lennox lewis (the fight where vitali DIDNT quit) erased his "quitter" stigma.

who the hell wants to fight byrd anyway?

yeah, he waited to quit until it looked like Byrd had a chance to win the fight. Byrd was nailing him with pitter patter punches and Vitali quit, lol

so fighting lewis with his "face being torn off" as u klitschko haters seem to say does not show heart? getting hit with a lewis uppercut from hell and continuing is not showing heart?

and btw the offical score cards for the freitas barrios fight were

105-105, 106-103, 104-106 just for a side note


Can you get off Vitalis nuts??

**** MAN!

Byrd couldn't give brain damage to a fly...

If Vitali was losing and there was no point of going the distance, then sure, no point of gettin injured if your gonna lose anyway..

but he was WINNING and all he had to do was stay 2 rounds with the DYNAMITE PUNCHER Chris Byrd (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA BYRD A KO ARTIST LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)


No way Byrd would have stopped him, he should have fought with one arm then, cuz all he did was have to survive against Byrd(HAHAHAHAHAHA SURVIVE THE WRATH OF BYRD! LOL!!!!!!!!)

i understand what your thinking, but if it was as simple as that VK wouldnt have quit, if a man with a heart like VK quites, he has a damn good reason.

who knows maybe it would have ruined his carees, i realy dont see the big deal, VK showed that he is better than byrd and whopped him bad.

in fact there isnt need for a rematch cause everyone who aint biased will know the outcome.