Now, before you reply - WAIT. Don't hit me with none of that "Yo, youse Britt ***get youse ****kin humid youse *** LMAO" bull****. I've got no real bias here, and couldn't care less where the fighters were born.

But if you saw that documentary Little Prince, The Big Fight you'll have seen a Naz that was so absorbed by the ever-increasing size of his own ego and so KO-obsessed that he spent more time worrying about his new haircut than he did sparring. His timing was off even before the fight, and Steward was concerned with his lack of training.

As for the actual fight, many talk about it as if it was a schooling or a whitewash, but while I agree that Barrera won by a wide margin in terms of 10-9 rounds, most of those rounds were close. Sure, there were some, particularly towards the end, that Barrera won clearly (3 or 4? Can't remember, it's been such a long time since I last saw it) but the majority of the ones he took had the potential to go the other way. Naz wasn't getting his ears boxed off, and Marco spent the early part of the fight wary of his power.

So I always used to wonder... what if they'd had a rematch? Naz getting serious, doing his roadwork, working on the accuracy he once had? Could this have been an abberation, an "off night"?

As it stands, the rematch never took place, and Naz seems consigned to history as "the fighter that did really well until he stepped up in class then was found wanting." This might not have been the case... but we'll never know, will we?


Speaking of Naz, wasn't it last month he was supposed to be having a comeback fight??

It's his own fault, he's responsible for his training, but Barrera would have easily defeated him again.

It's his own fault, he's responsible for his training, but Barrera would have easily defeated him again.Oh yeah, easily his own fault, I always suspected that the person who beat Naz WAS Naz... but we'll never know for sure.

He had been training poorly for a long time, you can't train poorly when you are fighting a legend in the making.

He had been training poorly for a long time, you can't train poorly when you are fighting a legend in the making.
I've heard this... I've only seen about 2 or 3 Naz fights to be honest, moved away from boxing in the early 90s.

Barrera would have schooled him again. Nas was exposed on that fight. I cheered for Nas during that fight and next thing you know Barrera beat him in every fashion and made him look like an average fighter. ALl that excuses, if Nas really wants to fight Barrera again, Nas would have made it happen. But he knows there's no need for rematch, Nas got beat so bad on that fight that made him go back to where he actually belong.

Now, before you reply - WAIT. Don't hit me with none of that "Yo, youse Britt ***get youse ****kin humid youse *** LMAO" bull****. I've got no real bias here, and couldn't care less where the fighters were born.

But if you saw that documentary Little Prince, The Big Fight you'll have seen a Naz that was so absorbed by the ever-increasing size of his own ego and so KO-obsessed that he spent more time worrying about his new haircut than he did sparring. His timing was off even before the fight, and Steward was concerned with his lack of training.

As for the actual fight, many talk about it as if it was a schooling or a whitewash, but while I agree that Barrera won by a wide margin in terms of 10-9 rounds, most of those rounds were close. Sure, there were some, particularly towards the end, that Barrera won clearly (3 or 4? Can't remember, it's been such a long time since I last saw it) but the majority of the ones he took had the potential to go the other way. Naz wasn't getting his ears boxed off, and Marco spent the early part of the fight wary of his power.

So I always used to wonder... what if they'd had a rematch? Naz getting serious, doing his roadwork, working on the accuracy he once had? Could this have been an abberation, an "off night"?

As it stands, the rematch never took place, and Naz seems consigned to history as "the fighter that did really well until he stepped up in class then was found wanting." This might not have been the case... but we'll never know, will we?


Speaking of Naz, wasn't it last month he was supposed to be having a comeback fight??


We do know what would have happened, HAmed basically told us without coming out and actually saying it out loud...by not getting a remtach he spoke loud and clear..."I cant beat Barerra"-how can you come to any other conclusion than this?

Nas got beat so bad on that fight that made him go back to where he actually belong.Nice bit of racist-sounding rhetoric there.

Is there any chance you can actually stay off my threads? It'd be nice to chat without reading ****e. Thankyou.

We do know what would have happened, HAmed basically told us without coming out and actually saying it out loud...by not getting a remtach he spoke loud and clear..."I cant beat Barerra"-how can you come to any other conclusion than this?I heard lots of different stories... I heard he was talked out of it, 9/11 stopped it...

I reckon Hamed could have beaten Barrera if he'd have sorted his head out... But by that stage of his career he'd already earned £30 million, ($55 million U.S.) and like "Foreman?" said - "It's hard to get up at 6:00a.m. to do road work when you're wearing silk PJ's"... - Who was it that said that?

Anyway, in the Hamed vs. Barrera fight, it's not as if Hamed got beaten up or anything. He was trying to take Barrera's head off with haymakers towards the end because he had no back up plan.

It's not like Barrera did a (Hopkins/Trinidad or Tszyu/Judah) to Hamed.

I reckon Hamed could have beaten Barrera if he'd have sorted his head out... But by that stage of his career he'd already earned £30 million, ($55 million U.S.) and like "Foreman?" said - "It's hard to get up at 6:00a.m. to do road work when you're wearing silk PJ's"... - Who was it that said that?

Anyway, in the Hamed vs. Barrera fight, it's not as if Hamed got beaten up or anything. He was trying to take Barrera's head off with haymakers towards the end because he had no back up plan.

It's not like Barrera did a (Hopkins/Trinidad or Tszyu/Judah) to Hamed.


Yeah, it was more like a (Winky/Trinidad) that he did to Hamed. If Barrera can't make excuses for the Pacman loss, Hamed cannot either. He was defeated EASILY by the SUPERIOR boxer, and it would have been just as easy for Barrera in a rematch.

According to Emanuel Steward, he only worked with the Prince about 5 or 6 times..

Barrera exposed him and would knock him out next time..

I heard lots of different stories... I heard he was talked out of it, 9/11 stopped it...


Forget all of the talk, If Naz wanted the rematch it would have been made simple as that. Again I dont understand how it could be any clearer, Prince did not want to fight and you can only draw one conclusion from that...he did not think he could beat Barerra.

Maybe all of the Naz fans out there think he could have done better or he could have won the second time around but I dont care what the NAa fans have to say, I listended to Naz himself and he said loud and clear..."I cant win."

Why dont you believe him?

Barrera would have put more leather on Hamed in the rematch, Barrera was cautious that night, but after he saw how easy Barrera was outboxed, outpunched, and even out roughoused, he would have been more aggressive, more confident, and thus his reflexes would have been better in the rematch and Hamed would have probably gone down more than once if not stopped.

Actually for all ya Nas nuthuggers, I'm being modest here. I've rooted for Nas on that fight but after what I saw and after Barrera put a clinic, Nas actually went back to where he belong. It was one side affair and Nas was the bride. ha ha ha ha. All that hype about that guy, it ended he was nothing better but a clown. And JuyJuy actually thought he was one of the greatest UK boxer, that's another clown. You British idiots be better stop clowning. ha ha ha ha

Nas Was Great Before He Fought Barrera He Just Lost His Hunger, His Head Was Too Big His Enterences Were To Big And His Heart Was Too Small, You Can Always Tell A Great Fighter By The Way He Handles His First Loss And Obviously Naseem Couldnt Handle It He Is Not And Will Never Be Considered A Great Fighter, Dont Get Me Wrong He Was Fast Skilled And Had Some Pretty Good Power But He Didnt Have It Inside To Go For The Long Haul! I Like You Naseem But You Should Be In A Fight Against David Reid Another Fighter Like Yourself All Skill But No Heart!

Nas Was Great Before He Fought Barrera He Just Lost His Hunger, His Head Was Too Big His Enterences Were To Big And His Heart Was Too Small, You Can Always Tell A Great Fighter By The Way He Handles His First Loss And Obviously Naseem Couldnt Handle It He Is Not And Will Never Be Considered A Great Fighter, Dont Get Me Wrong He Was Fast Skilled And Had Some Pretty Good Power But He Didnt Have It Inside To Go For The Long Haul! I Like You Naseem But You Should Be In A Fight Against David Reid Another Fighter Like Yourself All Skill But No Heart!


David Reid has no heart?????

Did you watch his fight with Tito, it was an act of god that he made it to the bell...**** what the hell are you taking about....Reid entered every fight he was ever in with an eye half closed...the guy showed enough heart for me in the Tito fight alone...

David Reid, no heart...rocco, no brain.

man ppl hate nas y???? i still dont know. he had one loss, against barrera. and he just didn't have the hunger anymore, thts y he aint fighting anymore
he has tons of money now, sitting and chilling at home,

Forget all of the talk, If Naz wanted the rematch it would have been made simple as that. Again I dont understand how it could be any clearer, Prince did not want to fight and you can only draw one conclusion from that...he did not think he could beat Barerra.

Maybe all of the Naz fans out there think he could have done better or he could have won the second time around but I dont care what the NAa fans have to say, I listended to Naz himself and he said loud and clear..."I cant win."

Why dont you believe him?

can u get me that quoet?

can u get me that quoet?


You dont need the quote all you have to do is ask yourself this...Did the remtach take place, yes or no...

Obviously the remtach did not take place and there is one person to blame, not promoters, not MAB...yup you guessed it your boy Naz...he didnt want to fight and if he thought he could beat MAB the second time around we wouldnt be talking about what would have happened we would already know...

Naz told us loud and clear, "I cant beat Barerra" Go ahead and tell yourself that he just lost the hunger to fight or some other excuse, you need not search for an answer it is right in front of your face...plain and simple...you may have wanted Naz to get another crack at Barerra but Naz didnt.

Naz struggles and is up and down like a yoyo against club fighter Augie Sanchez, thats right club fighter.

Naz struggles and is up and down like a yoyo against way past his prime Kevin Kelley, thats right way past his prime.

Naz finally takes the step up in class the whole world has been waiting for and he is exposed, thats right exposed.

Naz gets the picture and retires...his fans keep asking what if, what if, what if...you guys should be happy he quit, at least you can still play the what if game, had he of continued and fought real opposition like MAB there would be no what ifs coming from his faithful.

naz had great potential, but like teddy atlas said "he's not good enough to do things wrong". he's got great power and speed but he's off balance. you might say sure...but how important is balance? well it's very important, it helps plant your feet for better power, it moves you into position better solidly, it helps you be more mobile...this is text book stuff that naz never really got on, and really never had to until he met barrera. i have the fight on tape and it was not close...naz even tried to get feisty and barrera went behind him and ran him toward a post.

barrera's boxer/puncher persona went into full bloom in that fight, he was moving stepping back, countering...naz definately is themore talented and physically gifted of the two...but if i were to choose a boxing professor it'd be barrera.

same thing would happen, hamed was exposed somewhat he knew what he was facing, was ready and could win

Barrera Vs Hamed 2 ......Barrera wins by KO Before the sixth

BARRERA ALL TIME GREATEST!!!

**** ALL MAB HATERZ!!

The "Prince" loses his nick name as he wakes up a zombie in the hospital. Barrera ended his career why shorten his life as well?

i honestly believe that NAZ would have schooled Barrera in a rematch......NAZ proved to the world that he was an exceptional and a very capable fighter........all he'd need to do is couple that with the mental side, and he'd take Barrera out.

And JuyJuy actually thought he was one of the greatest UK boxer, that's another clown.
I said that Naz sneaks into 5th place ahead of Lennox Lewis in the top five British boxers of the last 15 years, somebody ban SliqueJab with immediate effect because the guy is beyond a joke.

what absolute bollox lennox is the top British fighter of the past 15 years and dont give me any Eubank bull****. :rolleyes:

name me another british fighter who unified the titles?

what absolute bollox lennox is the top British fighter of the past 15 years and dont give me any Eubank bull****. :rolleyes:

name me another british fighter who unified the titles?
Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Ricky Hatton, Joe Calzaghe and Naseem Hamed are the top five British fighters of the last 15 years.

You can criticise Naz all you like but how many prime Barrera's did Lewis fight? And no an ANCIENT Holyfield and an ANCIENT Tyson do not count! How many times did Naz get KTFO by mediocre opposition?

Lennox Lewis won his WBC title on the same fight card as Gerald McClellan winning his WBC title. Gerald was the main event, Lewis was the undercard. Benn can boast a win over McClellan that is better than anything Lewis did. Nigel also TKO'd Iran Barkley in the first round in Las Vegas, Barkley was a better lb4lb fighter than Ruddock and Golota put together.

Chris Eubank beat Nigel Benn, Michael Watson twice (who beat Benn), and Graciano Rocchigiani in Germany. Lewis just hasn't done that, and remember it was Eubank who left Lewis in the dark in 1994 as Sky Sports number one boxer. Lewis got KTFO by McCall at the same time Eubank was unbeaten for longer than anybody in boxing. If Eubank and Lewis walked down the street together in the UK, people would walk straight past Lewis to get to Eubank.

Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe are still undefeated! Ricky can boast a win over Tszyu that is better than any Lewis can boast, and we rated Calzaghe over Lewis, click here: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/boxing/story/0,,996634,00.html

Who sold better on HBO? Naz or Lewis?

whatever mate, ur talking out you arse, Lewis is recognised by people who have forgotten more about boxing than you or I will ever know as the best post war british fighter.

end of. i cant even be arsed to into the reasons with you cos your stuck in the 80's andf 90's dude.

to coin your phrase, I simply cant be bothered.

whatever mate, ur talking out you arse, Lewis is recognised by people who have forgotten more about boxing than you or I will ever know as the best post war british fighter.

end of. i cant even be arsed to into the reasons with you cos your stuck in the 80's andf 90's dude.

to coin your phrase, I simply cant be bothered.
Lennox Lewis is a joke! He doesn't deserve to be near the top 10 Post-War Heavyweight's or the top 10 Post-War British fighters, although he may possibly be the best Canadian Heavyweight.

If Barrera can beat Erik Morales 2 out of three times, and each time Erik fought his best, I'm gonna say that Barrera would beat Hamed 2 out of 2 times.

Barrera just knows how to box, plainly put. He can brawl and he has a decent defense. I think some people want to believe that Hamed at his best could beat Barrera at his best. Why? Coz they remember all those fighters Hamed took out by KO. How good were they, though? Were they Erik Morales? Not. Even. Close. If Barrera had beaten the same fighters that Hamed beat but with a more methodical beat down, would he be a legend? I think people remember Hamed's entrances more than his fights.

I dunno. Barrera has always been a warrior. Even when he lost to Pacman, he was still trying to win. There is no backing down, no surrender in Barrera. The best of Barrera would beat the best of Hamed.

Juy Juy, you keep saying that, yet he wasnt born in canada nor does he have canadian blood he grew up there from 12 to 21......

you sum it up when you say that there are ten better heavies post war.

go on then.

lets hear em.

you, im afraid are guilty of the very crimes that you accuse others of in regards to Eubank......you are hating on lewis.

you are a hypocrite mate Im afraid.

here is an article i helped co write with my colleagues at the BBN all of who had input and this was the general consensus.
i think you will find puts your pathetic ideas into perspective and to bed mate.

have a nice weekend, ;)

Over the coming months, BritishBoxing.net's contributors will be banging their heads together to try and come up with a list of top ten boxers for each major weight division post-1945.

We hope this will prove an interesting feature and spark off much debate. Feel free to send your views through our new 'Comments' facility. Well, brace yourselves for a journey through the Top Ten heavyweights...

(N.B. The criteria is that the fighter had to have spent a significant part of his career after World War II, which is why there was no place for the likes of Tommy Farr in our list.)

1. Lennox Lewis, Hadley Wood (b.1965) 41(32)-2-1

Lennox turned professional in 1989 amid the usual publicity that follows an Olympic gold medallist, but little did we know that he would go on to be the first British boxer to unify the world heavyweight titles.

Lennox comfortably blew away most of his early foes but it was his devastating victory against Donovan ‘Razor' Ruddock that really made the world take notice. Lewis attained the WBC belt in peculiar fashion as Riddick Bowe refused to defend against Lennox, the mandatory challenger, dumping the belt for Lennox to claim by default.

Memorable defences followed, particularly in the battle of Britain against Frank Bruno, however Lennox got cold-****ed against Oliver McCall and was frozen out of the heavyweight world scene for over two years when he returned to batter his previous conqueror who seemed to suffer a breakdown in the ring.

Further controversy reigned as his unification bout against Evander Holyfield reached farcical proportions as a draw was awarded in a bout Lennox clearly won. A rematch was ordered and Lennox prevailed. Lennox then cleared out the division against all the top contenders until history repeated itself when he was ko'd by Hasim Rahman. Again he avenged this defeat in awesome fashion, smashing Rahman in four rounds.

His career defining fight then followed against Mike Tyson, quite simply put, he saved his best performance for his most important fight, outclassing and out-muscling the former baddest man in the planet in almost cruel fashion.
A further defence followed against present numero uno, Vitali Klischtko and again more controversy as Vitali was stopped on cuts in a fight that was even at best.

Lennox followed Gene Tunney and Rocky Marciano in retiring whilst champion last year. Happy retirement Lennox, Britain's best ever heavyweight.

2. Henry Cooper, Bellingham (b.1934) 40(27)-14-1

For a few brief moments on June 18, 1963, Henry Cooper looked to have changed the course of boxing history. In front of 35,000 spectators at Wembley Stadium, Cooper's legendary left hook sent loudmouth American youngster Cassius Clay crashing to the floor at the end of the fourth round. A combination of the bell and Angelo Dundee's handiwork with a pair of scissors (he cut open one of Clay's gloves, meaning a replacement had to be brought from the dressing room, giving him valuable extra recovery time) saved Clay and the fight was stopped in the fifth because of a dreadful cut above Cooper's left eye.

Clay went on to beat Sonny Liston to take the world title in his next fight; Cooper had to settle for the position of national hero. Cooper will forever be remembered for that fight, but there was far more to his career. He won ten of his 12 British title fights, won the European title three times and challenged for the world title. His opponent was again Clay - or Muhammad Ali as he was known by 1966 - and the result was almost identical, as a sickening cut above Cooper's left eye forced the referee to end it in the sixth.

In these days of protected fighters with unbeaten records it is difficult to appreciate the qualities of a boxer with 14 defeats to his name. Cooper though made an impression on the country that few fighters have ever managed to match, with his bravery and eagerness to take on the best endearing him to everyone who saw him in action.

3. Frank Bruno, Wandsworth, (b.1961) 40(38)-5

In a career characterised more by his defeats than his victories, Frank Bruno became arguably the most popular post-war boxer the UK has ever produced. His dignity and courage in those losses won him an acclaim and crossover appeal that his fistic talents perhaps did not warrant. He was able to bounce back from his first defeat to James ‘Bonecrusher' Smith (KO 10 – May 1984) and well-publicised eye trouble and finally shed his ‘bridesmaid' image by outpointing Oliver McCall to take the WBC title in September 1995 – a full decade after taking the EBU belt from Anders Eklund.

Prior to that night, Frank had failed in title shots with Tim Witherspoon (RSC 11) and Tyson (RSC 5). His other defeats came to Lennox Lewis (RSC 7) and in the first defence of the WBC belt (Tyson RSC 3). Bruno was a big puncher at European level but his stamina and punch seemed to desert him against true world-class opposition. It is part of the Bruno legend that in at least three of his defeats, all he had to do was to stay on his feet and keep doing what he had been doing up to that point. As an aside, Bruno is consistently credited with having had the most impressive physique of any heavyweight champion.

4. Joe Bugner, Bedford (b.1950) 69(41)-13-1

Joe Bugner's upright technique, reliant on an educated jab and good movement was certainly not the most instantly engaging of styles but it was undoubted in its effectiveness and it was on the biggest stage where Bugner proved his worth, losing only by decision to both Smokin' Joe Fraser and the inimitable Muhammed Ali (twice). Joe's long career saw him garner good victories over Jimmy Ellis, Greg Page and Bonecrusher Smith, all one-time title claimants.

Bugner also bettered Richard Dunn, James Tillis, Andres Eklund, Mac Foster, Jurgen Blin, Johnny Prescott, Brian London and Henry Cooper. It was his 15-round decision win over Cooper in 1971 for which Bugner will perhaps best be remembered, due to the controversial scoring of the contest. Cooper was so appalled by the decision in his younger foe's favour that he quit the ring, never to return, much in the same way as Marvin Hagler did following his 1987 decision loss to Ray Leonard.

Bugner never fought with the apparent desire and fervour of others and that hurt his standing in the eyes of fans. The public like fighters to wear their hearts on their sleeves but this was never Bugner's style. Despite this his achievements are irrefutable.


5. Bruce Wood****, Doncaster (b.1921) 35(1)-4

Bruce Wood****'s career spanned from 1942-1950. Two of those defeats came in his last two bouts against Lee Savold and Jack Gardner. To put it into perspective, the match against Savold was recognised by the BBBC as for the world title and Savold's next two matches were defeats against Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano. Bruce's other two losses were against world-rated Tami Maurello and Joe Baski.

Bruce was not a big heavyweight by today's standards but gave away weight and experience to a number of very good opponents. He beat class acts such as the legendary Freddie Mills and Gus Lesnevich. Gardner was the only British boxer to beat Wood**** as a pro. Bruce was managed and trained by Tom Hurst throughout his career – going by his record it was obviously a fruitful partnership.

6. Don ****ell, Battersea (1928-1983) 65(37)-14-1

Don ****ell was a blacksmith who was as hard as the anvil he used to whack. A natural light-heavyweight, ****ell won the British and European crowns in this division before losing the British belt to the great Randy Turpin. Weight making problems forced him to step up though unlike some fighters who move up because of indiscipline, ****ell had a medical problem which meant he unavoidably piled on the pounds. He beat an ageing Tommy Farr and outpointed Johnny Williams for the domestic crown before moving into world class with a defeat of American Roland LaStarza.

The fight for which he is remembered most came on 16th May 1955 when he travelled to San Francisco to take on Rocky Marciano for the world title. ****ell was dropped in the eighth and twice in the ninth (Marciano hitting Don whilst on the canvas) but rose from each knockdown. The referee stepped in to save ****ell from any more punishment. Marciano paid tribute to him afterwards, saying: "He's got a lot of guts. I don't think I ever hit anyone else any more often or harder."

Some indication of the regard in which he was held is that he was runner-up in the 1954 Sports Journalists Awards. It took a good man to beat him. It was the year Sir Roger Bannister broke the four-minute mile.

7. Herbie Hide, Norwich (b.1971) 35(34)-4

People tend to love or hate the ‘Dancing Destroyer'. One thing that can't be denied about Herbie, whatever you think of his personal or even boxing shortcomings, is that he has both talent and courage in abundance. Always a highly-strung and volatile individual, Hide knocked out all-comers and picked up a couple of insignificant trinkets before beating Michael Murray for the British title in 1993.

A fight for the WBO title against Michael Bentt (who had just destroyed holder Tommy Morrison in a round) was arranged and Hide's violent temperament was exposed when the pre-fight press conferences turned into a brawl. He knocked out Bentt in round seven – a number that was to take on a new significance in his first defence when he bravely travelled Stateside to take on modern great Riddick Bowe. Hide was down seven times in two brutal rounds.

He dished out some punishment of his own, knocking down Tony Tucker three times in front of his own fans to regain his title two years later but lost it to current WBC champ Vitali Klitschko in similarly brutal fashion in 1999. Hide has only fought six times since.

8. Brian London, Blackpool (b.1934) 37(26)-20-1

The Blackpool Rock had the misfortune of boxing in the same era as his nemesis, Henry Cooper, and they first met as young prospects in 1956. Brian's unbeaten run of 12 fights ended as he was caught cold by “Enry's Ammer” and knocked out inside a round.

Showing the character and mental toughness he would become well know for, Brian regrouped and came back with some good wins, eventually claiming the British and Commonwealth heavyweight title two years later with an eighth round stoppage of reigning champ Joe Erskine. This set up a big rematch with Cooper, but Henry again proved slightly too good, winning the title over 15 rounds, a result he repeated when the pair met for the third and final time in 1964.

Brian mixed with the best in the world, and managed to fight for the world title twice, being stopped in 11 rounds by Floyd Patterson, and in three by Ali. He battled the best of his time, fighters like Jerry Quarry, Zora Folley, Ingemar Johansson, Nino Valdes, Willie Pastrano and many more. Names that would probably make today's generation of heavyweights quake in their boots. The Blackpool Rock was well named, and a truly tough man.

9. Joe Erskine, Cardiff (1934-1990) 45(13)-8-1

Joe Erskine was not a particularly big punching heavyweight which meant he had to compensate by being a damned good boxer. He went unbeaten from his debut for 30 straight contests including wins against Henry Cooper (in a British title eliminator) and Dick Richardson. Erskine picked up the vacant British title in his thirtieth victory against the man one below him in our list of greats, Johnny Williams.

The run came to a brutal end when world class Cuban Nino Valdes travelled to London and knocked Joe out in the first round. He successfully defended his British belt against Cooper, picking up the Commonwealth belt in the process, and defended his new belt against Joe Bygraves before travelling to Sweden to face their national hero Ingemar Johansson in a tilt at the European crown. Joe was stopped in the thirteenth round.

To make matters worse, he lost his titles to Brian London in his next fight. Joe never quite reached the same heights again. You can't say he wasn't a brave or tenacious man – he tried THREE times to wrest his belts back from then owner Henry Cooper and was stopped each time. Joe was a very good boxer who should be mentioned more often than he is.

10. Johnny Williams, Rugby (b.1926) 60(38)-11-4

Born on Christmas Day, 1926 at Barmouth in Wales, Williams moved to Rugby when he was three years old. He began his boxing career fighting in the boxing booths alongside his idol Sam Minto.

Critics often accused Williams of being negative and timid, but he showed he was no quitter when he fought Jack Gardner in July 1950; their fight was one of the hardest in British heavyweight history, with both men being detained in hospital overnight. Johnny lost on points, but in March 1952, he defeated Gardner for the British title. He was to lift the Empire (Commonwealth) title from Johnny Arthur in October 1952 and went unbeaten through 1951 and 1952.

There was a fair share of defeats for Williams too, he went in with bigger men like Bill Weinberg, Pat Comiskey and Heinz Neuhaus and although ahead in each of these fights, due to differing reasons he lost all of them. When most would have quit he came back to record some of his biggest wins. He stopped the hard Austrian Joe Weiden and outscored world-rated Omelio Agramonte and in what most people say was his best performance he beat American Aaron Wilson.

He lost his title to Don ****ell in 1953, and made an unsuccessful attempt to regain the British title losing to fellow top-tenner Joe Erskine on points in 1956

Williams was well-mannered and likeable ex-champion and vastly underrated as a fighter. He fought in an era of talented boxers and deserves to be included in the BBN top 10.

I said that Lewis doesn't deserve to be near the top 10 Post-War Heavyweight's, I said nothing about the top 10 Post-War British Heavyweight's.

you sum it up when you say that there are ten better heavies post war.

go on then.

lets hear em.
Jersey Joe Walcott, Rocky Marciano, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Ken Norton, Larry Holmes, Mike Tyson.

JESUS. IM NOT EVEN GONNA DIGNIFY THAT WITH A RESPONSE, WALCOOT, PATTERSON AND NORTON ARENT EVEN IN THE SAME BALL PARK

you talking about somone who unified the division.

anyway yuo rate Eubank as the best british fighter post war nuff said. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


whatever im through talking with you.

and by the way yuo can keep calling my a nutter, psycho whatever hidden in various threads cos you are right but then i dont give **** about your opinion anymore.

JESUS. IM NOT EVEN GONNA DIGNIFY THAT WITH A RESPONSE, WALCOOT, PATTERSON AND NORTON ARENT EVEN IN THE SAME BALL PARK

you talking about somone who unified the division.

anyway yuo rate Eubank as the best british fighter post war nuff said. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Eubank could of been, but unfortunately he was avoided by Toney and Jones. I would probably rate Benn as the best Post-War British fighter based on blasting big-name American's Barkley and McClellan, although Buchanan might have something to say about that.

As for Walcott, Patterson, Norton.. yes they are all better fighters than Lennox Lewis. Ezzard Charles, though a blown-up Light-Heavy, out-skills Lewis every time with his slickness, although an ancient Archie Moore would probably be powered out of there. Zora Foley was an under-rated fighter, Cleveland Williams was another, and an undefeated Tony Tucker would win every round against Lennox Lewis (not the coke-addict who was six years past his best that Lewis struggled with, Tucker's jab slowed down in his 30's so much).

David Reid has no heart?????

Did you watch his fight with Tito, it was an act of god that he made it to the bell...**** what the hell are you taking about....Reid entered every fight he was ever in with an eye half closed...the guy showed enough heart for me in the Tito fight alone...

David Reid, no heart...rocco, no brain.
When I stated Reid had no heart I didnt mean he never had it obviously he did and he continues to be one of my favorite fighters even though he doesnt fight anymore. But you can tell how big the fighters heart is by how he handles his first loss and Hamed and Reid retired and have not been seen or heard of by the fight world since!

hey rocco I like that quote from Smokin Joe but he forgot that he was smoke twice by Foreman.
And JuJuy I dunno why u rate Lewis so low, he's in my top 15 all time heavyweight because only him, Tunney and Marciano retired while they were on their top. Lewis beat the fighters that beat him proving his worth. Though his opponent are full of mediocre and over the hill, he also has good wins agains the like of knockout of Ruddock, close win against Mercer, toyed with Tua and knocking out previously undefeated Grant and also knocking out out Bruno and Tucker. If he could have beaten Bowe, I think he's in my top 10. Anyways, I think JuJuy hate the fact that Lewis knockout Tyson past his prime and I hate it too but I gotta give credit to Lewis he fought everybody the divison has to offer. It's not his fault that his era his mediocre compare to others.

What about when Hamed was in his prime? What then?

Did I posted NAz was MAB bridesmaid.

I reckon Hamed could have beaten Barrera if he'd have sorted his head out... But by that stage of his career he'd already earned £30 million, ($55 million U.S.) and like "Foreman?" said - "It's hard to get up at 6:00a.m. to do road work when you're wearing silk PJ's"... - Who was it that said that?

Anyway, in the Hamed vs. Barrera fight, it's not as if Hamed got beaten up or anything. He was trying to take Barrera's head off with haymakers towards the end because he had no back up plan.

It's not like Barrera did a (Hopkins/Trinidad or Tszyu/Judah) to Hamed.

People talk as if Hamed got a beating, Hamed got his head snapped back too often but it wasnt a beating. Before the fight i wasnt sure who would win but now i have seen them i'd say Naz is the more talented, if he got his **** sorted he could win a rematch. I just doubt Naz has the mental ability to beat Barrera anymore, Barrera is a warrior and Hamed is a rich man.

Maybe have the fight outside Barrera comfort zone, he wouldnt have got away with the roughhousing in the UK :D :rolleyes:

Naz was really garbage, everyone who knew about boxing knew he didnt have any boxing skills. He fought like an amateur.

H ha ha ha ha. Thres' no need for rematch idiot, Nas is not on the same league. When you get annihilated like that you shut da hell up . MAB called Mickey Mouse after the fight and Nas went back to where he was belong. I dunno who are you fooling nitwit.

H ha ha ha ha. Thres' no need for rematch idiot, Nas is not on the same league. When you get annihilated like that you shut da hell up . MAB called Mickey Mouse after the fight and Nas went back to where he was belong. I dunno who are you fooling nitwit.

Did you even watch the fight?? You talk like it was a beating, i know Naz got beat but it wasnt one sided.

Your such a fool, i wish you had a brain so our debates could be more interesting.

Did you even watch the fight?? You talk like it was a beating, i know Naz got beat but it wasnt one sided.

Your such a fool, i wish you had a brain so our debates could be more interesting.


The fight was definitely one sided. Hamed got wobbled numerous times in the fight. From start to finish it was Barrera controlling the tempo, the action, even the roughousing and dirty tactics which are a Hamed staple were going Barrera's way.

Its as one sided as a fight that doesnt end in a KO can get.

The fight was definitely one sided. Hamed got wobbled numerous times in the fight. From start to finish it was Barrera controlling the tempo, the action, even the roughousing and dirty tactics which are a Hamed staple were going Barrera's way.

Its a one sided as a fight that doesnt end in a KO can get.

Barrera was winning the rounds but it wasnt a beat down, Hamed got his head snapped back by single shot but it wasnt one sided thoughout every round. Hamed did decent work at certain stages of the rounds but Barrera did the cleaner work.

Its not really worth talking about anyway, it was obvious Barrera won, but i just think people consider it to be more more one sided than it was because everyone hates Hamed.

From the first round, MAB rocked Naz with left hooks and Naz was moving away . A left hook to the body and MAB slapped Naz face like he was his ***** in the 2nd with a small cut Nas left eye. then the 3rd with a jab to Nas Mouth. Nas head snapped back in the 4th and the rest of the rounds, you idiot does not want to hear.

It's just so one sided. MAB made this clown look like a average fighter. MAab retired this clown and that's a fact. Take that you nitwit.

It's just so one sided. MAB made this clown look like a average fighter. MAab retired this clown and that's a fact. Take that you nitwit.

Take that you nitwit, LMFAO! :D

Barrera was the better fighter, Hamed was trying to be clever with his hands down and got hit a lot more than normal. It wasnt a beating, just a clear victory for Barrera.

MAB just beat the **** out of this guy, you'are too idiot to admit it. MAB called this guy a Mickey Mouse and this guy retired after he got flushed. Believe me nothing can change that. He was history, Americans and boxing fans will remember this guy as a clown, nothing more.

MAB just beat the **** out of this guy, you'are too idiot to admit it. MAB called this guy a Mickey Mouse and this guy retired after he got flushed. Believe me nothing can change that. He was history, Americans and boxing fans will remember this guy as a clown, nothing more.

Admit what?? i hate to suprise you but i'm not called Nassem Hamed, i couldnt give a ****ing **** if he he got the beating of his life, i just speak the truth and i know Barrera didnt give hin a beat down, it was a clear win but not a one sided match.

BTW, Hamed didnt retire after the Barrera fight.

Well since you are British, I expect you to be bias. But also because you're a nitwit then I expect you to be brain dead. You share your moronic comment to your other fellow idiot like that hideous McKay. ha ha ha ha. After you guys get together then check yourself with your physician for hemorroids.

Well since you are British, I expect you to be bias. But also because you're a nitwit then I expect you to be brain dead. You share your moronic comment to your other fellow idiot like that hideous McKay. ha ha ha ha. After you guys get together then check yourself with your physician for hemorroids.

Well your American so i expect you to be bias!! :rolleyes:

What a complete idiot you are, its ****ing unreal how stupid you are, stop talking **** about nationallity your brain dead fool.

I talk about boxers without any bias, why dont you get that into your thick head??

ha ha ha ha . Naz was MAB ***** end of story.

Hamed was off balance alot of the time....and it looked like he was taking more flush punches than he actually was. The fight was a shutout and was one sided.....but it was not a ruthless beatdown. He was bending back and avoiding uppercutts and swaying side to side avoiding hooks.

Prince's problem was, he was looking for a knockout with 1 big punch, and did not show Barrera angles.

Take that you nitwit, LMFAO! :D

Barrera was the better fighter, Hamed was trying to be clever with his hands down and got hit a lot more than normal. It wasnt a beating, just a clear victory for Barrera.


You guys made a lot of points about Barrera the other day, and I re watched the hamed fight as well as Pacquiao and the morales trilogy. He definently gets grimy sometimes. Tell you what, if Hatton can demonstrate more than effective rough-housing in his next fight, he's cool in my book. I never realized how dirty Barrera can get.

No he was not dirty against Hamed. He just gave Naz a litle something something, a foreplay so to speak. You know Naz was about to be his ***** so gave him a spank. ha ha ha