12 rounds, Who wins? Go!

Ali by TKO in 10.

Both in their prime? Either Ali wins a very, very close decision or Joe Louis wins by way of knock out in the later rounds.

Prime Ali is faster than Joe. Louis has more power though. They're both outstanding technicians (Louis might be the best the HW division has ever seen) and defensivly good. Ali's heart and determination might be the key to victory for him. But Joe could do it all, I've never again seen a guy in the HW division throwing combinations like him. These are the best two HWs of all time in my opinion. But since I rank Louis as my All Time No. 1 I say that he'd win 6 out of 10.

Ali by UD 12.

joe louis by late stoppage, would be a great fight though

joe louis by late stoppage, would be a great fight though

sure it would, if you like to see lopsided fights! no way louis can win, period. ali confuses him and ko's him in 8.

Ali to KO Louis in 8

We have a lot of topics about this already, but i guess i'll tell you what i think. In 3 fights between Joe Louis and Muhammed Ali.

1st fight- Ali by UD
2nd fight- Joe Louis by UD
3rd fight- Joe Louis by SD

No knockouts in this one.

We have a lot of topics about this already, but i guess i'll tell you what i think. In 3 fights between Joe Louis and Muhammed Ali.

1st fight- Ali by UD
2nd fight- Joe Louis by UD
3rd fight- Joe Louis by SD

No knockouts in this one.

Agreed. Muhammad Ali would never be able to knock out Joe Louis, and vice verca. Louis is, in my opinion, the greatest heavyweight of them all, and I say he wins 2 out of 3 fights.

Joe Louis by SD.

We have a lot of topics about this already, but i guess i'll tell you what i think. In 3 fights between Joe Louis and Muhammed Ali.

1st fight- Ali by UD
2nd fight- Joe Louis by UD
3rd fight- Joe Louis by SD

No knockouts in this one.

yaman, get the heck out of here. louis is gonna out point ali? louis couldn't outpoint joe watcott or billy conn, but he's gonna out point ali? if joe couldn't outpoint watcott who is not as fast as ali, then against muhammad ali how would louis be able to do this? ali would either win a wide ud, or ko louis mid to late rounds.

Agreed. Muhammad Ali would never be able to knock out Joe Louis, and vice verca. Louis is, in my opinion, the greatest heavyweight of them all, and I say he wins 2 out of 3 fights.

Joe Louis by SD.

louis was out on his feet several times by billy conn, floored three times by watcott, and once by braddock, but ali couldn't knock him out. ali staggeres louis countless times, floores him early, then ko's him in the eighth or ninth.

louis was out on his feet several times by billy conn, floored three times by watcott, and once by braddock, but ali couldn't knock him out. ali staggeres louis countless times, floores him early, then ko's him in the eighth or ninth.
yea but walcott had one punch, i forget what it was but its the one that Knocked down louis and charles and Marciano

he was so confident in it when he knocked down Marciano in the second round with it he turned his back on Marciano and walked to the corner waiting for Rocky to be counted out thats the turning point in which he was out of sync until he got ko'd

though in this case i guess i could see Ali winning an MD or SD but i don't see Ali ko'ing Louis

not to say he wouldn't get knocked down or for that matter either fighter going down

yea but walcott had one punch, i forget what it was but its the one that Knocked down louis and charles and Marciano

he was so confident in it when he knocked down Marciano in the second round with it he turned his back on Marciano and walked to the corner waiting for Rocky to be counted out thats the turning point in which he was out of sync until he got ko'd

though in this case i guess i could see Ali winning an MD or SD but i don't see Ali ko'ing Louis

not to say he wouldn't get knocked down or for that matter either fighter going down

ali has more power than watcott and billy conn, and they almost ko'd louis, so ali would.

louis was out on his feet several times by billy conn, floored three times by watcott, and once by braddock, but ali couldn't knock him out. ali staggeres louis countless times, floores him early, then ko's him in the eighth or ninth.

As technically sound and great as Joe was, Ali is a bad match-up for Louis. Louis was a patient counterpuncher and he would find it difficult to counter and land combinations because of Ali's speed, and mobility, things that gave Louis fits not to mention Ali's reach and chin. Louis was not a swarmer and would not chase Ali. Louis had a narrow stance and shuffling footwork, not condusive to cutting off the ring against a lateral mover. Joe's upright, orthodox, classic stance and erect posture would also leave Joe vulnerable to Ali's jab and straight right. Ali is a bigger step up in competition for Joe than Joe is for Ali. Ali wins by decision.

As technically sound and great as Joe was, Ali is a bad match-up for Louis. Louis was a patient counterpuncher and he would find it difficult to counter and land combinations because of Ali's speed, and mobility, things that gave Louis fits not to mention Ali's reach and chin. Louis was not a swarmer and would not chase Ali. Louis had a narrow stance and shuffling footwork, not condusive to cutting off the ring against a lateral mover. Joe's orthodox, erect posture would also leave Joe vulnerable to Ali's jab and straight right. Ali is a bigger step up in competition for Joe than Joe is for Ali. Ali wins by decision.

or a smashing ko! :D

or a smashing ko! :D

i still odn't think so

Ali would wear him down and knock him out.

yaman, get the heck out of here. louis is gonna out point ali? louis couldn't outpoint joe watcott or billy conn, but he's gonna out point ali? if joe couldn't outpoint watcott who is not as fast as ali, then against muhammad ali how would louis be able to do this? ali would either win a wide ud, or ko louis mid to late rounds.

He did manage to beat both fighters and knocked them out in a rematch? What your point?

joe Louis is too skilled for Ali(Im assuming you're taking the Ali from 67) He has better defence, offense and not to forget he's the greatest puncher of all time. He might not be too quick on his feet but he can cut off the ring and manage to get to Ali. And Ali would NEVER EVER KO Louis. He doesn't have the power and besides, Louis would be on his way winning the fight.

louis was out on his feet several times by billy conn, floored three times by watcott, and once by braddock, but ali couldn't knock him out. ali staggeres louis countless times, floores him early, then ko's him in the eighth or ninth.

Ali was out on his feet By Cooper and those other total bums, and those bums do not punch like Louis. Not even close. Ali could be knocked down by a perfect punch and thats what Joe Louis posseses, the perfect punch!

ali has more power than watcott and billy conn, and they almost ko'd louis, so ali would.


ali does NOT have more power than Wallcott, or even Conn. Ali was a weak puncher(Ali 67) and could never KO Louis.

As technically sound and great as Joe was, Ali is a bad match-up for Louis. Louis was a patient counterpuncher and he would find it difficult to counter and land combinations because of Ali's speed, and mobility, things that gave Louis fits not to mention Ali's reach and chin. Louis was not a swarmer and would not chase Ali. Louis had a narrow stance and shuffling footwork, not condusive to cutting off the ring against a lateral mover. Joe's upright, orthodox, classic stance and erect posture would also leave Joe vulnerable to Ali's jab and straight right. Ali is a bigger step up in competition for Joe than Joe is for Ali. Ali wins by decision.

Joe Louis' footwork was made for 20/15 rounds of fighting. He would have the power to stun Ali troughout the whole fight while Ali gets tired of his useless dancing.

YAMAN, to say that Ali does not have more power than Conn once again demonstrates your complete and total ignorance regarding boxing and is beyond the realm of unbelievablity. Billy Conn fought most of his career as a welterweight through to light-heavyweight in which he scored only 13 career KO's going into the Louis fight. So who Louis was staggered and hurt by was a guy who didn't have the track record of power to stop welterweights/middleweights or light-heavyweights. It is rumoured that Conn weighed 168 lbs for the first Louis fight but was announced at 174 to hide the weight disparity. But Conn hit harder than Ali?

You are too typical of the know nothing boxing fan who is mesmerized by fighters with punching power and can't fathom how fighters with less power can defeat or even KO them. There is always some great excuse like Tyson should have stayed with Rooney, or the ropes were to loose for Foreman in Zaire, or Liston's fights were fixed. You have neither the intelligence, analytical thought process or deductive reasoning capabilities to rationalize this.

I made a fortune betting on fights with morons who think like you. I do thank them however, as the money I made from them paid for my university education.

I see you're going totally offtopic and getting emotional. You know im right.

And calling me a moron even though you look like THAT(avatar)

joe Louis is superior to ALi in a boxing match. He wins 2 out of 3 fights.

And calling me a moron even though you look like THAT(avatar)

Don't make fun of how I look and I won't make fun of you selling your food stamps to pay for a computer.

Don't make fun of how I look and I won't make fun of you selling your food stamps to pay for a computer.


Joe Louis still beats Ali 2 out of 3 times.

Joe Louis still beats Ali 2 out of 3 times.

No way I'd give Ali a win over Louis anytime. At the most Louis would win 1 out of 3 but the odds of that are slim.

Louis never fought anyone like Ali. Louis struggled with fighters that were 'cute' in the ring. Ali was, and Ali's unorthodox style would confuse the very orthodox Joe. His movement, the way he mixes things up in the ring, the strange angles he could launch punches from. Louis was a stalking counter-puncher, i dont think it matches well against an extremely fast boxer whom was strong on the backfoot and was also a good counter-puncher. Louis did not like fighting fighters that were fast on their feet. Ali would move laterally, pop out the jab and follow it with a right, throw lead rights as Louis drops his left for the high left hook. Louis would only get a chance to put some punishment on Ali once he has him on the ropes, and he would suceed in doing this occasionally. Ali would get worked over and then tie joe up. In 66-67 Ali had reached his physical peak and had the capacity to absorb tremendous punishment. Louis would be a little overwhelmed with Ali's movement, although he was very efficent with what movement he did use i dont think his shuffling footwork would be sufficent to cut Ali off enough to inflict the required punishment. Louis did not apply the same kind of pressure Frazier or even Norton did and this would result in Ali using his brilliant comprehension of range and movement to dictate the pace of the fight. You cannot give Ali room to breathe. I think Louis goes down from the accumlative effect of Ali's punches in later rounds, Ali goes back to his corner victorious but badly beat up. Ali wins 2/3 times.

Ali was out on his feet By Cooper and those other total bums, and those bums do not punch like Louis. Not even close. Ali could be knocked down by a perfect punch and thats what Joe Louis posseses, the perfect punch!

Cooper and Sonny banks? Against a 20 year old naieve cassius clay that had not come near to reaching his physical peak. Clay walked into a short sharp left hook that would of dropped most fighters. Why dont people realise that fighters physically mature at different times. Tyson was mature at 20, ali 26-27. If you look at the Ali against cooper, then look at Ali against Williams you will see a large difference. He looks much larger, muscular, hes filled out. Hes at his Physical prime. His jaw didn't suddenly become better, it was because of his physical change.

Both in their prime? Either Ali wins a very, very close decision or Joe Louis wins by way of knock out in the later rounds.

Prime Ali is faster than Joe. Louis has more power though. They're both outstanding technicians (Louis might be the best the HW division has ever seen) and defensivly good. Ali's heart and determination might be the key to victory for him. But Joe could do it all, I've never again seen a guy in the HW division throwing combinations like him. These are the best two HWs of all time in my opinion. But since I rank Louis as my All Time No. 1 I say that he'd win 6 out of 10.

Ali wasn't a brilliant technician, he was highly SKILLED but not a brilliant technician at all.

yaman, get the heck out of here. louis is gonna out point ali? louis couldn't outpoint joe watcott or billy conn, but he's gonna out point ali? if joe couldn't outpoint watcott who is not as fast as ali, then against muhammad ali how would louis be able to do this? ali would either win a wide ud, or ko louis mid to late rounds.

Dude dont get aggravated. This is Joe Louis. Stating that he would beat Ali, i believe is wrong... but its not RIDICULOUS at all.

'Is Muhammad Ali the greatest heavyweight of all time? He may well have been. He would likely come out ahead in a series of bouts against all of the opposition who could beat him. I would favor Ali in a trilogy against any of the opponent’s mentioned in this article'

MONTE COX, In the article he talked of Joe Frazier, Joe Louis, Larry Holmes etc.

His point is the same as mine. Ali would most probably take out all the strongest fighters 2/3 times, but he COULD be beaten.

I think a peak joe louis is the only fighter who can beat a peak ali.

louis wins series 2-1

I can see joe losing the first fight to ali, but louis was incredible in rematches the way he adapted. I can see blackburn and louis picking out ali's big technical flaws(that he makes up for with speed and reflexes), and I see louis stopping ali in the rematch. ali's flaws will finally come back to haunt him against the greatest all around puncher of all time who is also a smart technician.

louis had traits(excellent jab and counterpunching skills) that would have given ali trouble as well. ali had trouble with counterpunchers who jabbed with him. Louis also has a powerful, short, accurate left hook that ali will have to be very weary of not getting caught. though ali faced some of the biggest hitters ever, he never faced anyone with the all around punching skills, and finishing abilities louis had.

so louis also brings to the table tools and traits that will give ali problems.

also, don't be thrown off by louis footspeed. louis was a stalker, but he showed when he brought his agressive A game( seek and destroy) that his movement was quite fast and smooth, and he was very good at cutting off the ring. especially in the late 1930s, watch his movement. louis had better movement and was faster than liston. also dont forget louis had incredible handspeed, Joe louis handspeed is amongst the best in history.


Its quite clear louis defintley does have trouble with speedy movers(preferebly smaller movers who offered a small target) aka jersey joe walcott, billy conn, 1st bob pastor fight. though ali was faster and better than all of these guys, he also was a bigger target. plus guys like conn and walcott were better ring technicians than ali, so even though ali was harder to hit because of his speed/reflexes, he was more vunerable to being caught than guys like walcott, conn. Joe louis was the greatest puncher of all time and had the handspeed, two fisted KO power, accuracy, combinations, timing to get to ali.




one thing alot of people dont know about the 1st conn fight is louis was dehydrated and weight drained entering the conn fight. joe found out conn was going to come in under 175lb so Louis wanted to come in under 200lb so the press won't say "louis tried to take an advantage of smaller man." Well joe louis plan backfired, and the good deal of weight he sucked out in the last couple days to get under the 200lb mark left him sluggish, and weight drained. Anyone here knows what it feels like to compete at a high level activity when your dehydrated/weight drained? well it sucks. its the worst experience you can go through. now imagine trying to fight a hall of fame all time great like billy conn when your going through that? its amazing louis found the heart, and mental toughness to overcome his condition and knockout a great fighter like conn.


a common myth about louis-conn fight is that conn was dominating. the fight in fact was very close, and if louis won the last 3 rounds he would have won a majority decision over conn.

I can see joe losing the first fight to ali, but louis was incredible in rematches the way he adapted. I can see blackburn and louis picking out ali's big technical flaws(that he makes up for with speed and reflexes), and I see louis stopping ali in the rematch. ali's flaws will finally come back to haunt him against the greatest all around puncher of all time who is also a smart technician.

louis had traits(excellent jab and counterpunching skills) that would have given ali trouble as well. ali had trouble with counterpunchers who jabbed with him. Louis also has a powerful, short, accurate left hook that ali will have to be very weary of not getting caught. though ali faced some of the biggest hitters ever, he never faced anyone with the all around punching skills, and finishing abilities louis had.

so louis also brings to the table tools and traits that will give ali problems.

also, don't be thrown off by louis footspeed. louis was a stalker, but he showed when he brought his agressive A game( seek and destroy) that his movement was quite fast and smooth, and he was very good at cutting off the ring. especially in the late 1930s, watch his movement. louis had better movement and was faster than liston. also dont forget louis had incredible handspeed, Joe louis handspeed is amongst the best in history.


Its quite clear louis defintley does have trouble with speedy movers(preferebly smaller movers who offered a small target) aka jersey joe walcott, billy conn, 1st bob pastor fight. though ali was faster and better than all of these guys, he also was a bigger target. plus guys like conn and walcott were better ring technicians than ali, so even though ali was harder to hit because of his speed/reflexes, he was more vunerable to being caught than guys like walcott, conn. Joe louis was the greatest puncher of all time and had the handspeed, two fisted KO power, accuracy, combinations, timing to get to ali.




one thing alot of people dont know about the 1st conn fight is louis was dehydrated and weight drained entering the conn fight. joe found out conn was going to come in under 175lb so Louis wanted to come in under 200lb so the press won't say "louis tried to take an advantage of smaller man." Well joe louis plan backfired, and the good deal of weight he sucked out in the last couple days to get under the 200lb mark left him sluggish, and weight drained. Anyone here knows what it feels like to compete at a high level activity when your dehydrated/weight drained? well it sucks. its the worst experience you can go through. now imagine trying to fight a hall of fame all time great like billy conn when your going through that? its amazing louis found the heart, and mental toughness to overcome his condition and knockout a great fighter like conn.


a common myth about louis-conn fight is that conn was dominating. the fight in fact was very close, and if louis won the last 3 rounds he would have won a majority decision over conn.

Nice anology. Too bad 99% of it came from Monte Cox. How about an original thought process and not a plagiarized opinion?

Nice anology. Too bad 99% of it came from Monte Cox. How about an original thought process and not a plagiarized opinion?



I did not get any of my info from monte, I form my own opinions from watching film and studying joe louis' style, and I have plenty of other sources including newspaper articles, books, historians opinions, my dad(former boxing writers)opinion. Every single source on the conn fights I described were from Joe Louis' books, NOT from monte cox.


most of the stradegy I said up top came from my dad who taught me about joe louis style. I happen to agree with my dad on joe louis.



monte is not the only one who shares these opinions.




It appears anyway I try to say why louis will beat ali, you will say "it came from monte cox".




you are a very ignorant and misguided boxing fan!

you are a very ignorant and misguided boxing fan!

Guess I hit a nerve Monte Junior. Don't recall any well known boxing writer named Gamble...

He did manage to beat both fighters and knocked them out in a rematch? What your point?

joe Louis is too skilled for Ali(Im assuming you're taking the Ali from 67) He has better defence, offense and not to forget he's the greatest puncher of all time. He might not be too quick on his feet but he can cut off the ring and manage to get to Ali. And Ali would NEVER EVER KO Louis. He doesn't have the power and besides, Louis would be on his way winning the fight.

the only reason why louis still won is because he knocked them out. if louis didn't knock out conn or watcott, then he would lose! do you actually think that louis would ko ali? if you do, then you have got BIIIIIGGGG PROBLEMS!! those guys were small. conn was 170+ and watcott was 190+. but ali is 210+, and that's even bigger than louis himself! louis would be fighting someone bigger than him and physically stronger than him, not some weakling like conn. ali has one of the best chins in history, so i doubt with ali's chin and ability to avoid a punch in his prime that louis would ko ali. however, ali has a great chance of ko'ing louis. those ali jabs would take their toll on louis, who does not have a great chin. louis would get ko'd in 8 or nine, period. ali would have an easy time with louis, this is proen by the guys louis fought who were similar to ali and the guys ali fought who were similar to louis.

Ali was out on his feet By Cooper and those other total bums, and those bums do not punch like Louis. Not even close. Ali could be knocked down by a perfect punch and thats what Joe Louis posseses, the perfect punch!

louis was floored by the bum galento and knocked out of the ring by the bum baer (buddy). :D

ali does NOT have more power than Wallcott, or even Conn. Ali was a weak puncher(Ali 67) and could never KO Louis.



Joe Louis' footwork was made for 20/15 rounds of fighting. He would have the power to stun Ali troughout the whole fight while Ali gets tired of his useless dancing.

one of the most idiotic posts i've ever seen. walcott and conn has more power than ali? i suppose if louis got knocked down by a 6 year old girl weighing 40 lbs., then you would say she has more power than ali, just because she floored louis, right? :rolleyes: ali has more power than any light heavyweight (conn), and walcott as well. look at walcott's ko % ad then look at ali's ko %. there you go.

ali took bombs from shavers and foreman without blinking, but louis would stun ali throughout the fight? useless dancing? when walcott did it, and conn did it, and pastor did it, it worked, didn't it? but if ali does it even though it's better then it's useless? you are posting like a wounded dog and you can't think straight, i can see that. :D

louis would bang alis body so bad till he got him on the ropes, then work his head, i wouldnt say he could ko ali(60s) cause his footspeed would run all around the ring, but the 70s ali, the one who fought frazier in manilla, would b in sum trouble against joe... so prime ali>prime joe> 70s ali thats the way i see it

louis would bang alis body so bad till he got him on the ropes, then work his head, i wouldnt say he could ko ali(60s) cause his footspeed would run all around the ring, but the 70s ali, the one who fought frazier in manilla, would b in sum trouble against joe... so prime ali>prime joe> 70s ali thats the way i see it

that's probably true.

the only reason why louis still won is because he knocked them out. if louis didn't knock out conn or watcott, then he would lose!


incorrect!! had louis won the last 3 rounds vs conn, he would have won a majority decision. do your homework buddy so i dont have to do it for you

incorrect!! had louis won the last 3 rounds vs conn, he would have won a majority decision. do your homework buddy so i dont have to do it for you

but would louis win the last three rounds? probably not, so he still would have to knock conn out.

louis would bang alis body so bad till he got him on the ropes,

Joe Louis trained, prepared, mapped out, and was in the corner for George Chuvalo when he fought Ali in 1966. Bundidi Brown having been fired by Ali was in Chuvalo's camp telling George how to beat Ali. With the great Joe Louis strategy and Bundini shouting instructions from ringside, Chuvalo focused almost exclusively on Ali's body and at best won 2 out of 15 rounds. The body attack, while afterwards causing Ali to urinate blood did nothing to slow him down and send him to the ropes in the later rounds. In fact Ali looked very strong in rounds 11-15 and for the most part swept those rounds.

Louis did not launch a concentrated body attack. He didn't do it against Conn or Walcott to slow them down. He patiently waited like he would have against Ali. He mixed his attack upastairs and downstairs. For Louis to launch a concentrated attack on Ali's body would leave him vulnerable to Ali's counter punches to the head. Louis was vulnerable enough to the straight right, so I don't think he would willingly play into Ali's strength by concentrating on a body attack.

one of the most idiotic posts i've ever seen. walcott and conn has more power than ali? i suppose if louis got knocked down by a 6 year old girl weighing 40 lbs., then you would say she has more power than ali, just because she floored louis, right? :rolleyes: ali has more power than any light heavyweight (conn), and walcott as well. look at walcott's ko % ad then look at ali's ko %. there you go.

ali took bombs from shavers and foreman without blinking, but louis would stun ali throughout the fight? useless dancing? when walcott did it, and conn did it, and pastor did it, it worked, didn't it? but if ali does it even though it's better then it's useless? you are posting like a wounded dog and you can't think straight, i can see that. :D

I dont give a shit about KO% and stats. I do not judge fighters on their record and get all of that stuff out of boxrec(Like that homo smasher). Walcott punches a million times harder than Ali. Ali punched weak but very quick. His KO's were all done by combonations after he beat the fighters down from round after round. Wallcott knocked fighters out with 1 powerfull punch, thats all it took. I can see the diffirence between them. Wallcott hits a lot heavier.

''Prime Ali'' would NOT be able to take that much punishment like he got from Foreman. He became stronger and his chin somehow was better too in the 70s. Joe Louis is also a much more effective puncher. Foreman and Shavers might be heavier hitters but they can't knock a guy out cold like Louis. He is the greatest pucnher of all time and i believe he would outpoint Ali 2 out of 3 times.
He is the greatest.

Like that homo smasher.

More homosexual comments once again from the guy in denial. Do you type this shit while sitting in the closet?

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Wallcott knocked fighters out with 1 powerfull punch, thats all it took.

Other than Ezzard Charles, name the fighter YOU'VE SEEN get KO'd by ONE WALCOTT PUNCH....I'm confident the silence will be deafening

Other than Ezzard Charles, name the fighter YOU'VE SEEN get KO'd by ONE WALCOTT PUNCH....I'm confident the silence will be deafening


elmer ray(3 times), joe louis(3 times), joey maxim, jimmy bivins, rocky marciano all these great fighters were knocked down by just one punch from walcott. walcott didnt need combos to put down world class fighters, walcott needed only one punch. his sneaky hard right hand, or his powerful short left hook.

walcott's lack of KO's was due to lack of aggresiveness, in the 40s walcott liked to sit back and do cute tricks rather than let his hands go.


the fight were walcott showed his true aggression and power was the first marciano fight. walcotts confidence was at its peak, and he thought there was no way marciano was going to beat him. walcott went right after marciano the whole fight, and let his hands go like he never had before and showed aggresion and killer instinct he never have before. if walcott was in with any other man than marciano that night, walcott would have scored a KO.

elmer ray(3 times), joe louis(3 times), joey maxim, jimmy bivins, rocky marciano all these great fighters were knocked down by just one punch from walcott.

if walcott was in with any other man than marciano that night, walcott would have scored a KO.

My question was to YAMAN who stated that Walcott KO'd fighters with one shot. I'm well versed in Walcott and own copies of his fights. He was not a 1 punch KO artist. He was a sharp 1 shot counterpuncher particularly with the left hook.

Are you suggesting that Walcott would have scored a KO over Louis on that night?

My question was to YAMAN who stated that Walcott KO'd fighters with one shot. I'm well versed in Walcott and own copies of his fights. He was not a 1 punch KO artist. He was a sharp 1 shot counterpuncher particularly with the left hook.

Are you suggesting that Walcott would have scored a KO over Louis on that night?



im talking about walcott knocking out any other fighter that night in 1952. louis was retired by 1952.


walcott did hurt louis badly in 47 on that 2nd knockdown, and if it wasnt for louis recup powers he could have been knocked out.



walcott was a very good puncher though, like patterson. walcotts rated # 65 in RINGS top 100 greatest punchers of all time. the man could hit.

walcott was a very good puncher though, like patterson. walcotts rated # 65 in RINGS top 100 greatest punchers of all time. the man could hit.

He was rated #66 by that poll.

I dont give a shit about KO% and stats. I do not judge fighters on their record and get all of that stuff out of boxrec(Like that homo smasher). Walcott punches a million times harder than Ali. Ali punched weak but very quick. His KO's were all done by combonations after he beat the fighters down from round after round. Wallcott knocked fighters out with 1 powerfull punch, thats all it took. I can see the diffirence between them. Wallcott hits a lot heavier.

''Prime Ali'' would NOT be able to take that much punishment like he got from Foreman. He became stronger and his chin somehow was better too in the 70s. Joe Louis is also a much more effective puncher. Foreman and Shavers might be heavier hitters but they can't knock a guy out cold like Louis. He is the greatest pucnher of all time and i believe he would outpoint Ali 2 out of 3 times.
He is the greatest.

you are fighting a losing battle. you keep saying ali had no power, and that watcott does, but look at who they both fought and their ko percentages. no way louis would win, period.

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Oeh oeh! did your mamie make that up for you? :D Man, you're such a ***, you're not worth arguing with. And change your avatar.

Good post by SuzieQ49. You totally owned smasher.

you are fighting a losing battle. you keep saying ali had no power, and that watcott does, but look at who they both fought and their ko percentages. no way louis would win, period.

you can say whatever you want, i still believe Louis would beat Ali.

Walcotts power doesn't have anything to with this(Although he definitely punched harder than Ali).

you can say whatever you want, i still believe Louis would beat Ali.

Walcotts power doesn't have anything to with this(Although he definitely punched harder than Ali).

lol, when will you grasp logic? when louis fought someone similar to ali he was outclassed on the score cards. when ali fought someone like louis, he outclassed them, then knocked them out.

lol, when will you grasp logic? when louis fought someone similar to ali he was outclassed on the score cards. when ali fought someone like louis, he outclassed them, then knocked them out.

When did Ali fight someone like Louis and knocked them out? He never fought a fighter like Louis.

When did Ali fight someone like Louis and knocked them out? He never fought a fighter like Louis.

i guess i'll have to repeat myself. :rolleyes: louis fought jersey joe walcott, billy conn, and lou nova, people who sticked and moved like muhammad ali. all of these guy's made him look like a fool, until joe cought up with them and knocked them out. ali has superior speed to walcott, conn, and nova, so logically louis would look like a bigger fool! and would louis catch up with ali and knock him out? not a chance, cause watcott has one of the worst chins in hw history, conn is a lighthw, and nova is nothing special. since ali has a top 4 chin, he would take anything louis has to offer, and in his prime, he probably wouldn't be taking that much to begin with, so no way louis could ko ali.

and ali did fight sonny liston and zora folley. liston had a great left jab, very good defense, decent footwork, quick hands, and all-round sound boxing fundamentals, just like louis. folley was a patient fighter, always stalking, a great counterpuncher like joe louis, sneaky, and pretty quick hands as well, just like the brown bomber. louis might be better than folley, but folley was very similar to louis in many aspects. and look what ali did to folley and liston.

so in conclusion, ali is a bad style matchup for louis, and louis is a great style matchup for ali, based on the history of opponents they fought with similar styles to the other. :boxing:

i hope that answers your question yaman. :)

None of those fighters resembled Ali or Louis. You should try again buddy.

None of those fighters resembled Ali or Louis. You should try again buddy.

explain to me how they don't resemble each other. conn, walcott, and nova were movers, like ali. and liston and folley were stakers with a great left jab and defense, not to mention they were counterpunchers, like louis. :confused:

Walcott and Ali punched about the same in there primes, because ali had a weak punch for a hw (it still packed a wallop) and Walcott had a great punch for a lhw. IMO

Walcott and Ali punched about the same in there primes, because ali had a weak punch for a hw (it still packed a wallop) and Walcott had a great punch for a lhw. IMO

ali's punching power was ok, it wasn't weak. but walcott fought way smaller people than ali did.

ali's punching power was ok, it wasn't weak. but walcott fought way smaller people than ali did.

i didn't mean weak in the literal sense it just wasn't exactly a hw punch, but Walcott had a great punch for a lhw so it evened out they were close in power

explain to me how they don't resemble each other. conn, walcott, and nova were movers, like ali. and liston and folley were stakers with a great left jab and defense, not to mention they were counterpunchers, like louis. :confused:

i see yaman is not answering, i guess i won this one! :D

i see yaman is not answering, i guess i won this one! :D

i'm still waiting for yaman for his retort. :rolleyes:

i'm still waiting for yaman for his retort. :rolleyes:

i see yaman is looking at this very thread. i wonder why he's not answering? :D

and Walcott had a great punch for a lhw. IMO


what are u talking about?



walcott was NOT a light-H. he was a heavyweight his whole career outside of when he was 16 years old!


walcott was a fully fledged 6' 197lb heavyweight and walcott defintley hit harder than ali. patterson also hit harder than ali

i'm still waiting for yaman to gie me an explanation. :D

Ali hands down. His timing, footwork, handspeed and movement is far too much.

Ali hands down. His timing, footwork, handspeed and movement is far too much.

nice post. welcome to the forum! :)

what are u talking about?



walcott was NOT a light-H. he was a heavyweight his whole career outside of when he was 16 years old!


walcott was a fully fledged 6' 197lb heavyweight and walcott defintley hit harder than ali. patterson also hit harder than ali
sry got charles mixed up with walcott for a second

still the point is still the same walcott and Ali probably punched the same

Oeh oeh! did your mamie make that up for you? :D Man, you're such a ***, you're not worth arguing with. And change your avatar.

Good post by SuzieQ49. You totally owned smasher.

....You hide behind a school kid and let him fight your battles for you and I'm a ***????????????????

....You hide behind a school kid and let him fight your battles for you and I'm a ***????????????????


smasher..........do i know you from other forums?

smasher..........do i know you from other forums?
No you don't.

i'm still waiting for yaman to gie me an explanation. :D


Take it easy before you get an orgasm :eek:
Some people go to bed at night. I'll give you a reply right now.

explain to me how they don't resemble each other. conn, walcott, and nova were movers, like ali. and liston and folley were stakers with a great left jab and defense, not to mention they were counterpunchers, like louis. :confused:

Conn or Wallcott didn't fight like Ali. Ali had a unique style wich was very much based on atleticm. Wallcott and Conn knew how to defend and block punches while Ali leaned backwards to avoid getting hit. He also danced in the ring like a bunny rabbit and was hard to catch. So, he was a much more diffirent and better fighter than those 2.

Liston is even more flatfooted than Joe louis and carries more weight. Louis is faster than him in every way. I haven't seen that many fights from Folly but he too is nowhere near Joe Louis.

Are you gonna judge this fight by the opponents they fought who resembled them?

....You hide behind a school kid and let him fight your battles for you and I'm a ***????????????????

Yes you are.

Conn or Wallcott didn't fight like Ali. Ali had a unique style wich was very much based on atleticm. Wallcott and Conn knew how to defend and block punches while Ali leaned backwards to avoid getting hit. He also danced in the ring like a bunny rabbit and was hard to catch. So, he was a much more diffirent and better fighter than those 2.

Liston is even more flatfooted than Joe louis and carries more weight. Louis is faster than him in every way. I haven't seen that many fights from Folly but he too is nowhere near Joe Louis.

Are you gonna judge this fight by the opponents they fought who resembled them?

i see your backed in the corner and got nowhere to hide and your defenseless. :D

i didn't say that conn and walcott had the exact same style ali had. i said that they sticked and moved, and that gave joe louis a ton of problems. sure they blocked and parried and all that, but louis real weakness was fighting guy's who didn't stand still. so they are similar to ali in that respect. ali would move and give louis problems as well, and he moves better than walcott or conn.

and just because liston is heavier than louis, doesn't mean he's slower. his hanspeed is on par with louis. so is his footspeed, cause they're both flat-footed. louis was slow on his feet, so he definetely is not "faster than him in every way". liston i would say is better than louis, cause they have the same speed, but liston is stronger, more powerful, and has a better chin.

and i stated before that louis is way better than folley. but they are similar. it's just that louis' defense is slightly better and louis is more powerful. but other that that, they are pretty similar. they have the same dimensions, both 6'-1" and 200-205lbs. and so on. and they have the same technically fundamental style of stalking and counterpunching. i'm just saying that ali picks apart people using that style, cause of the flat-footedness of the opponent, and the inability to cope with the awkwardness and wierd moving angles and corners of ali's head, hands, and midsection.

this is a no brainer. try agin yaman. :D

louis would win 1 out of 3 at most 2 by SD. joe would be able to block ali's shots and feint when he wants to.

louis would win 1 out of 3 at most 2 by SD. joe would be able to block ali's shots and feint when he wants to.

yeah, just like he did to walcott and conn, right? :rolleyes:

i see your backed in the corner and got nowhere to hide and your defenseless. :D

i didn't say that conn and walcott had the exact same style ali had. i said that they sticked and moved, and that gave joe louis a ton of problems. sure they blocked and parried and all that, but louis real weakness was fighting guy's who didn't stand still. so they are similar to ali in that respect. ali would move and give louis problems as well, and he moves better than walcott or conn.

and just because liston is heavier than louis, doesn't mean he's slower. his hanspeed is on par with louis. so is his footspeed, cause they're both flat-footed. louis was slow on his feet, so he definetely is not "faster than him in every way". liston i would say is better than louis, cause they have the same speed, but liston is stronger, more powerful, and has a better chin.

and i stated before that louis is way better than folley. but they are similar. it's just that louis' defense is slightly better and louis is more powerful. but other that that, they are pretty similar. they have the same dimensions, both 6'-1" and 200-205lbs. and so on. and they have the same technically fundamental style of stalking and counterpunching. i'm just saying that ali picks apart people using that style, cause of the flat-footedness of the opponent, and the inability to cope with the awkwardness and wierd moving angles and corners of ali's head, hands, and midsection.

this is a no brainer. try agin yaman. :D

You're not winning anything as you might think. You just post smileys and tell me im loosing :) . You're going nowhere with Wallcott and Conn. Joe Louis did have a harder time with fighters like Wallcott who move etc, but he always won the fight. How does that justify Wallcott who has never beat Louis? Why do you think i say that Louis would most likely not KO Ali? Because he was better than Wallcott(Wich Louis destroyed).

You have some good points though. Yes Louis never fought someone like Ali for that matter, wich is why i think Ali would beat Louis the first fight. But Louis would adapt to Ali's style and still win the second fight. Louis was a boxing expert and would be smart enough to beat young Clay.

yeah, just like he did to walcott and conn, right? :rolleyes:

Good comeback! Or how about Henry Cooper who almost knocked Clay out with a perfect punch(Wich Louis possesed)?

You're not winning anything as you might think. You just post smileys and tell me im loosing :) . You're going nowhere with Wallcott and Conn. Joe Louis did have a harder time with fighters like Wallcott who move etc, but he always won the fight. How does that justify Wallcott who has never beat Louis? Why do you think i say that Louis would most likely not KO Ali? Because he was better than Wallcott(Wich Louis destroyed).

You have some good points though. Yes Louis never fought someone like Ali for that matter, wich is why i think Ali would beat Louis the first fight. But Louis would adapt to Ali's style and still win the second fight. Louis was a boxing expert and would be smart enough to beat young Clay.

of course louis won the fight. conn is like 170 and watcott is 190. but ali is 210-215! that's even bigger than louis. louis still knocked them out cause they were small and weak, but ali is big and strong! plus walcott has probably a top 3 worst chin in hw championship history! so of course louis would ko him. and conn is a lhw, so he doesn't have the ability to handle a strong hw's punch. but ali definetely could handle a strong hw punch, so no way louis ko's him. if joe is lucky he might floor ali early, but that's it.

yeah, louis might beat young "clay", but not 25yr old "ali". cooper did not fight prime ali. ali was about 207 for cooper and was toying with cooper and acting stupid when cooper floored him. 1967 ali would not fight louis that way.

of course louis won the fight. conn is like 170 and watcott is 190. but ali is 210-215! that's even bigger than louis. louis still knocked them out cause they were small and weak, but ali is big and strong! plus walcott has probably a top 3 worst chin in hw championship history! so of course louis would ko him. and conn is a lhw, so he doesn't have the ability to handle a strong hw's punch. but ali definetely could handle a strong hw punch, so no way louis ko's him. if joe is lucky he might floor ali early, but that's it.

yeah, louis might beat young "clay", but not 25yr old "ali". cooper did not fight prime ali. ali was about 207 for cooper and was toying with cooper and acting stupid when cooper floored him. 1967 ali would not fight louis that way.


1Joe Louis didn't knock them out because they were small or ''weak''(Wallcott was not weak, that is an insult). He knocked them out by brilliant boxing and stamina that allowed him to punch just as hard as the beginning of the fight. Again, whats up with your insults towards Wallcott? He had a good chin you imbecile. Why do you think he was able to brawl with heavy hitters like Marciano, Louis for more than 10 rounds?

2Joe Louis is one of the hardest punchers ever and his punches are more effective than some HWs who punched even harder than him. Ali would get knocked the hell out if Louis hit Ali like he hit Schmelling.

3Clay's chin wasn't any diffirent in 67. He was knocked down by Cooper and really hurt. You can't deny that.

Im waiting Butterfly :D

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See ya.

Louis KO1 Ali

Louis KO1 Ali

Said like a true hater........... :rolleyes:

HAHA! I love that guy. :D

HAHA! I love that guy.

Whatever floats your boat.......

I bet you jackoff to Ali vs Holmes eh?

plus walcott has probably a top 3 worst chin in hw championship history!

really? well once again u fail to do ur research



from 1944-52 walcott was only knocked out twice, by louis and marciano 2 all time great punchers


walcott fought many other huge punchers of that era and wasnt knocked out


curtis sheppard
tommy gomez
elmer ray
tiger jack fox

it took the greatest puncher who ever lived joe louis 23 rounds to finally put walcott down

walcott took some huge punches in marciaano fight before getting knocked out with perhaps the greatest puncher of all time

walcott went 23 rounds with huge punching elmer ray without going down

walcott took curtis sheppards best punch and got off the floor to win

walcott was knocked down a total of 1 time by charles in the 52 rounds he went with him. and charles was no light puncher.


walcott as a 24 year old starving part time fighter taking the fight on 24 hr notice managed to survive the distance vs one of the all time knock out kings and much more experienced tiger jack fox



walcott faced many huge punches in his career yet in his prime was only knocked out twice, by all time punchers louis and marciano

1Joe Louis didn't knock them out because they were small or ''weak''(Wallcott was not weak, that is an insult). He knocked them out by brilliant boxing and stamina that allowed him to punch just as hard as the beginning of the fight. Again, whats up with your insults towards Wallcott? He had a good chin you imbecile. Why do you think he was able to brawl with heavy hitters like Marciano, Louis for more than 10 rounds?

2Joe Louis is one of the hardest punchers ever and his punches are more effective than some HWs who punched even harder than him. Ali would get knocked the hell out if Louis hit Ali like he hit Schmelling.

3Clay's chin wasn't any diffirent in 67. He was knocked down by Cooper and really hurt. You can't deny that.

ok, for his size, walcott isn't weak. but ali is lightyears ahead of walcott in terms of physical strength (i'm not talking about punching power this time :D , just physical strength during clinches and things of that nature). wow, walcott has a good chin? walcott had one of the worst chins in hw history. look at how many times he was ko'd and you will see what i'm talking about. he didn't brawl with louis and marciano, he out boxed them. so by your logic jimmy young beat george foreman because he had a good enough chin to brawl with him, when in fact young out boxed foreman and was smart.

muhammad ali is not max schmeling. now max's chin may not be glass, but it is certainly not in the calibur of ali's. ali fought harder punchers than louis but didn't get ko'd. joe louis would not ko ali in one round, even an ali hater would be a fool to not come to this conclusion. louis' body shots would not hurt ali that much, if foreman's didn't. and ali wouldn't allow himself to get hit repeatedly in the face like schmeling did, ali's too fast for that.

"Clay's chin wasn't any diffirent in 67." uhhmm, yes it was. :rolleyes: cause if it was the same, he would have gotten floored by liston, patterson, chuvalo, and folley. his chin was better, cause he faced bigger punchers than cooper after and didn't seem hurt when they hit him. i mean c'mon, the guy was about 205 when he fought cooper, he wasn't the big strong 213lb. man that fough williams or terrel. i mean, you would think that if i said louis was in his prime when he lost to schmeling, then i would be unfair right? so what makes this any different? clay was 21 when he fought cooper and so at 25 it's the same? that makes no sense.

really? well once again u fail to do ur research



from 1944-52 walcott was only knocked out twice, by louis and marciano 2 all time great punchers


walcott fought many other huge punchers of that era and wasnt knocked out


curtis sheppard
tommy gomez
elmer ray
tiger jack fox

it took the greatest puncher who ever lived joe louis 23 rounds to finally put walcott down

walcott took some huge punches in marciaano fight before getting knocked out with perhaps the greatest puncher of all time

walcott went 23 rounds with huge punching elmer ray without going down

walcott took curtis sheppards best punch and got off the floor to win

walcott was knocked down a total of 1 time by charles in the 52 rounds he went with him. and charles was no light puncher.


walcott as a 24 year old starving part time fighter taking the fight on 24 hr notice managed to survive the distance vs one of the all time knock out kings and much more experienced tiger jack fox



walcott faced many huge punches in his career yet in his prime was only knocked out twice, by all time punchers louis and marciano

so guess abe simon, al ettore, and others don't exist, right? :rolleyes:

Im waiting Butterfly :D

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haha, i was at a class in college, you know a place to get an education and not be sitting around the computer all-day? :D

ooohh, the ownage!!!!!! :D

I'm not even sure if I posted here or not, this discussion has come up alot.
I'd have to go with Ali by UD or late TKO.

so guess abe simon, al ettore, and others don't exist, right? :rolleyes:

have u even bothered to read the fight reports?


first of all i judge a fighter in his prime, and walcott was not in his prime against any of those guys. all those fights happened pre WW II.


al ettore fight was a case of a 22 year old green walcott taking a fight vs a top 10 contender on very short notice. walcott was extremley poor and malnourished having very little to eat each day. walcott went into this fight very malnourished, overmatched yet still, walcott outboxed al ettore and was leading until he completley ran out of gas and ettore finished and exhausted walcott. walcott was knocked out more from exhaustion than from the punch. walcott took this fight with al ettore just so he could get a pay day to feed his HUGE family he was trying to support!

the tiger jack fox KO was LEGIT- walcot was WAY overmatched in this fight. he was a green inexpereinced 23 year old taking a fight with 94-12 top contender Tiger Jack Fox who was one of the best knockout artists of all time. incidently, walcott took this fight on less than 24hr notice. walcott knew he was WAY OVERMATCHED and far too inexperienced for tiger jack fox, but he took the fight because he needed money to feed his family so he was in a win win situation. walcott entering this fight showed up at a LOW 184lb, because he hardly had anything to eat in the past week! in fact walcott had quit the ring in 1936 to support his family, and only decided to comeback when he found out the money he would be getting to fight tiger jack fox. I defintley dont think you should hold this KO loss against walcotts chin.


abe simon fight was similiar to the al ettore fight. walcott took the simon fight on 24 hr notice to get a big pay day so he could feed his kids. the fact that simons was a top 10 contender didnt bother walcott, he just wanted the money.

I got a fight report from a friend......... he told me walcott was dominating simon the entire fight. it didnt seem possible that a part time journeyman fighter like walcott could be doing this to abe simon. walcott boxed circles around the big strongboy for 5 rounds making him look foolish. however, walcott ran out of gas. the effects of lack of training, lack of nutrition kicked in and in the 6th round walcott was stumbling across the ring dead tired when simon finished him off. walcott was knocked out more from exhaustion than any punch.




ali knocked out foreman right? but that was more due to exhaustion right? you dont hold it against foremans chin even though he was knocked out by one punch by ali right? the reason is because everyone knows foreman went down more from exhaustion than the punch. WELL THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO WALCOTT VS SIMON AND ETTORE except walcott was taking these fights on 24 hr notice and was starving. so why do u hold these knockouts against walcotts chin and not foremans chin??




walcott wasnt even training with jack blackburn when these fights took place. blackburn was no longer with him after 33. bad break for walcott, because blackburn really thought highly of walcott, he thought more highly of jersey joe than he did joe louis.

Said like a true hater...........

No, I'm being realistic. You, like so many others in this forum, need to stop being hung up on Ali/Foreman/Frazier. Louis would make all of them look like fools. In this particular matchup, Ali would dance around like a little fairy, and Joe catches him with a brutal hook. Ali staggers as he gets up, and Louis finishes the job with a series of combinations. Everyone knows this.

No, I'm being realistic. You, like so many others in this forum, need to stop being hung up on Ali/Foreman/Frazier. Louis would make all of them look like fools. In this particular matchup, Ali would dance around like a little fairy, and Joe catches him with a brutal hook. Ali staggers as he gets up, and Louis finishes the job with a series of combinations. Everyone knows this.

so i guess your everyone. :rolleyes:

No, I'm being realistic. You, like so many others in this forum, need to stop being hung up on Ali/Foreman/Frazier. Louis would make all of them look like fools. In this particular matchup, Ali would dance around like a little fairy, and Joe catches him with a brutal hook. Ali staggers as he gets up, and Louis finishes the job with a series of combinations. Everyone knows this.

seriously, you are funny

No, I'm being realistic. You, like so many others in this forum, need to stop being hung up on Ali/Foreman/Frazier. Louis would make all of them look like fools. In this particular matchup, Ali would dance around like a little fairy, and Joe catches him with a brutal hook. Ali staggers as he gets up, and Louis finishes the job with a series of combinations. Everyone knows this.

Everyone knows this? thats about the most simplistic load of shit i have ever heard. Most comparisons have Ali coming out on top, even MONTE COX picked Ali over Louis in a trilogy, although he has Louis at his number one position. Ali was adaptable, his unorthodox style would trouble joe, as with his lateral movement. Joe was a counter-puncher, Ali was about as bad a matchup as he could get. He couldn't lure Ali in, make him fight on the front foot. He didn't apply the pressure required to trouble Ali, he tried to lure them in, hence he looses.

1Joe Louis didn't knock them out because they were small or ''weak''(Wallcott was not weak, that is an insult). He knocked them out by brilliant boxing and stamina that allowed him to punch just as hard as the beginning of the fight. Again, whats up with your insults towards Wallcott? He had a good chin you imbecile. Why do you think he was able to brawl with heavy hitters like Marciano, Louis for more than 10 rounds?

2Joe Louis is one of the hardest punchers ever and his punches are more effective than some HWs who punched even harder than him. Ali would get knocked the hell out if Louis hit Ali like he hit Schmelling.

3Clay's chin wasn't any diffirent in 67. He was knocked down by Cooper and really hurt. You can't deny that.

He was knocked down cooper, he WALKED INTO A SHORT LEFT HOOK. And Alis chin was different in 67' according to DUNDEE and logic. Look at Ali in 62 and look at ali in 67, see a difference? the 26 year old Ali was much bigger then the younger Ali. Do you think Ali's jaw suddenly become better for no apparent reason? No it was a result of physical maturity. And he was physically mature in 66-67 quite clearly. He had filled out and was throwing heavier punches. His Jaw was untested before his layoff.

Good comeback! Or how about Henry Cooper who almost knocked Clay out with a perfect punch(Wich Louis possesed)?

First he landed a punch on a young naieve cassius clay, not a peak Muhammad Ali. On a PHYSICALLY IMMATURE cassius clay. You guys really need some human biology lessons.

ok, for his size, walcott isn't weak. but ali is lightyears ahead of walcott in terms of physical strength (i'm not talking about punching power this time :D , just physical strength during clinches and things of that nature). wow, walcott has a good chin? walcott had one of the worst chins in hw history. look at how many times he was ko'd and you will see what i'm talking about. he didn't brawl with louis and marciano, he out boxed them. so by your logic jimmy young beat george foreman because he had a good enough chin to brawl with him, when in fact young out boxed foreman and was smart.

muhammad ali is not max schmeling. now max's chin may not be glass, but it is certainly not in the calibur of ali's. ali fought harder punchers than louis but didn't get ko'd. joe louis would not ko ali in one round, even an ali hater would be a fool to not come to this conclusion. louis' body shots would not hurt ali that much, if foreman's didn't. and ali wouldn't allow himself to get hit repeatedly in the face like schmeling did, ali's too fast for that.

"Clay's chin wasn't any diffirent in 67." uhhmm, yes it was. :rolleyes: cause if it was the same, he would have gotten floored by liston, patterson, chuvalo, and folley. his chin was better, cause he faced bigger punchers than cooper after and didn't seem hurt when they hit him. i mean c'mon, the guy was about 205 when he fought cooper, he wasn't the big strong 213lb. man that fough williams or terrel. i mean, you would think that if i said louis was in his prime when he lost to schmeling, then i would be unfair right? so what makes this any different? clay was 21 when he fought cooper and so at 25 it's the same? that makes no sense.

There you go again about Wallcott. You're not making any points by dissing him. Wallcott has taken a lot of hard punches by some of the hardest hitters ever and he kept standing...Do you box? Do you know what its like to get hit in the face by a hard hitter? Louis and Marciano could take your head off. ''louis' body shots would not hurt ali that much'' Oh do you box? :rolleyes: Do you know what its like to get hit on the body? prime Muhammed Clay could not take as much punishment as the old one. He never took a beating in that time, but Louis would have and it would mess up ALi's game.

Ali chin in the 60 was always the same, you imbecile :cool: . Did he get supernatural powers that made his chin better? Stop making excuses about Ali's early flaws. I don't give a rats ass about what you say, you're just nuthuggin him hehe.

First he landed a punch on a young naieve cassius clay, not a peak Muhammad Ali. On a PHYSICALLY IMMATURE cassius clay. You guys really need some human biology lessons.

You really need to get Ali's cock out of your mouth. And help Butterfly with that too :D .

haha, i was at a class in college, you know a place to get an education and not be sitting around the computer all-day? :D

ooohh, the ownage!!!!!! :D

Then why did i see you reading this topic 2 hours after my post? Did you daddy help you with your posts all day? :D

Whatever floats your boat.......

I bet you jackoff to Ali vs Holmes eh?


Your mother jacks me off while i do that.

Your mother jacks me off while i do that

She's been dead for a few years man.....

Yaman, I think you should apologise for that

I think he was talking to Frazier's 15th round, btw.

There you go again about Wallcott. You're not making any points by dissing him. Wallcott has taken a lot of hard punches by some of the hardest hitters ever and he kept standing...Do you box? Do you know what its like to get hit in the face by a hard hitter? Louis and Marciano could take your head off. ''louis' body shots would not hurt ali that much'' Oh do you box? :rolleyes: Do you know what its like to get hit on the body? prime Muhammed Clay could not take as much punishment as the old one. He never took a beating in that time, but Louis would have and it would mess up ALi's game.

Ali chin in the 60 was always the same, you imbecile :cool: . Did he get supernatural powers that made his chin better? Stop making excuses about Ali's early flaws. I don't give a rats ass about what you say, you're just nuthuggin him hehe.

watch ali fight george chuvalo in 1966, and then come back and tell me if ali's midsection wasn't that strong. chuvalo hit ali a ton of times in the body in that fight and ali didn't buckle. so ali could take punishment in the late 60s, so louis would have to hit ali in the body a whole lot of times in order to hurt him.

and again, liston, folley, patterson, and chuvalo all punch harder than cooper, and they they managed to hit ali with good shots, but did ali go down? no! so ali's chin did get better. well, maybe it's not his chin, but he got stronger and heavier which maximized his chin capabilities. also he wasn't really that hurt in the cooper fight, cause he got up in three seconds, and in a very strong manner. he was off-balance. he showed he had a strong chin even in the cooper fight by the way he reacted to the punch.

She's been dead for a few years man.....

Im really sorry, I had no idea. If you were talking to me, it aint a nice thing to say i jacked off to Ali vs Holmes you know. And i didn't agree with Frazier's 15th round, i just though he's funny. I hope you don't hate me for this.

watch ali fight george chuvalo in 1966, and then come back and tell me if ali's midsection wasn't that strong. chuvalo hit ali a ton of times in the body in that fight and ali didn't buckle. so ali could take punishment in the late 60s, so louis would have to hit ali in the body a whole lot of times in order to hurt him.

and again, liston, folley, patterson, and chuvalo all punch harder than cooper, and they they managed to hit ali with good shots, but did ali go down? no! so ali's chin did get better. well, maybe it's not his chin, but he got stronger and heavier which maximized his chin capabilities. also he wasn't really that hurt in the cooper fight, cause he got up in three seconds, and in a very strong manner. he was off-balance. he showed he had a strong chin even in the cooper fight by the way he reacted to the punch.

Joe Louis would be able to hurt Ali with body punches but he doesn't have to do that to win the fight. Its extremely hard to knock Ali out, Louis would outpoint him but not destroy him.

Ali has gone down more times in the 60s. You're telling me all of them were because he was off balance? Louis could, and maybe would knock him down wich would give him good points to win the fight.

Im really sorry, I had no idea. If you were talking to me, it aint a nice thing to say i jacked off to Ali vs Holmes you know. And i didn't agree with Frazier's 15th round, i just though he's funny. I hope you don't hate me for this.

No worries man, your Weren’t to know. ;)

Joe Louis would be able to hurt Ali with body punches but he doesn't have to do that to win the fight. Its extremely hard to knock Ali out, Louis would outpoint him but not destroy him.

Ali has gone down more times in the 60s. You're telling me all of them were because he was off balance? Louis could, and maybe would knock him down wich would give him good points to win the fight.

when will you get it? louis doesn't have the skill to outpoint ali, so the only way he would win is to knock him out. but could louis knock him out? probably not. the only people that have a chance to beat ali are people who either have the power and quickness to knock him out, like tyson, liston, and foreman, or the skill to outpoint him like holmes or even norton.

Ali has gone down more times in the 60s. You're telling me all of them were because he was off balance? Louis could, and maybe would knock him down wich would give him good points to win the fight.

ali went down only twice. once to a guy that weighed basically the same as he did, and the other to a guy that had a hard left hook. plus clay was 20 and 21. that wasn't his prime yet.