View Full Version : Jack Johnson Put Up With More B.S. Than Any Other Champ In History


Mr. Violence
12-11-2004, 02:37 AM
You think Ali had it tough with getting his title stripped and three years taken out of the game? You think Tyson had it tough with the 3 years in prison from a rape conviction? Well check out Jack Johnson this man had to put up with more crap than anyone in history. He was the first black heavyweight champion, so for that reason alone was hated by the then openly racist American public. During his fights he would get booed, spit at,called a n****r by hordes of angry whites who hated him for no other reason but the color of his skin, all this while he had to concentrate and fight in the ring. Promoters set up "The Great White Hope" movement to try to find a white fighter to dethrone him. He was hated so bad the government even set him up wrongfully with the Mann Act, which states that it is illegal to transport a white woman across state lines for immoral purposes. So basically the government was setting him up for dating white females and was ready to throw him in prison. Johnson escaped the country and defended his title outside of the USA while a fugitive from the law. Read up on your boxing history you'll see that NO ONE and I mean NO ONE had to put up with more crap than this man.

phallus
12-11-2004, 03:47 AM
he was basicially arrested for transporting an underage WHITE woman across state lines, however, SHE WAS HIS 2nd WIFE AT THE TIME. jack johnson loved fast cars and young white women, both his wives were white. he was a rascal who died in the 40's, he was over sixty and behind the wheel of fast sports car. johnson has been a hero of mine for several years, ever since i saw the film made about his life called " The Great White Hope "

BoxingPromoter
12-11-2004, 01:15 PM
Beetch, I heard that pbs is going to run a documentary about J.Johnson sometime in January by film producer Ken Burns. Have you heard about it?

Mr. Violence
12-11-2004, 01:31 PM
Beetch, I heard that pbs is going to run a documentary about J.Johnson sometime in January by film producer Ken Burns. Have you heard about it?



Do you know of any DVDs they have about jack johnson? anything

BoxingPromoter
12-11-2004, 01:42 PM
Do you know of any DVDs they have about jack johnson? anything

Go to pbs.org and type in Jack Johnson for your search. There you can find a dvd entitled " Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson" by Ken Burns.

Mr. Violence
12-11-2004, 01:47 PM
Go to pbs.org and type in Jack Johnson for your search. There you can find a dvd entitled " Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson" by Ken Burns.


is that already out in the market for the people to buy?

cms
12-11-2004, 01:49 PM
wwwwoooowww i didnt know any of that stuff about johnson

BoxingPromoter
12-11-2004, 01:50 PM
is that already out in the market for the people to buy?

I think so, since it had a price tag under the dvd icon. PBS is also broadcasting the show on Jan 17-19. Check it out for yourself.

realtim
12-13-2004, 08:19 AM
Ppl wonder why Joe Louis was quiet during his title reign simply because of Jack Johnson. The man had a great career he was a great fighter. Could you imagine if there was no joe louis and Ali came along running his mouth like he did.

phallus
12-14-2004, 05:17 AM
i'll say my disclaimer first, so hopefully, people won't get offended.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, but i think Ali wanted to be jack johnson when he was a kid... documentary on bps? first i've heard of it but if ken burns is makin it it'll be good and i can't wait to see it

grayfist
12-14-2004, 07:49 AM
Go to pbs.org and type in Jack Johnson for your search. There you can find a dvd entitled " Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson" by Ken Burns.I'm waiting for Jan to tune in to PBS. Got two items on my calendar for next year that are heavily highlighted: That for Jan and Pac-Marquez for Feb! :D

Thanks for the info! :)

The Golden Bear
02-16-2005, 05:20 AM
BTW Ken Burns' documentary is based on the book by the same name by Geoffrey C. Ward.

Good book from what I hear, I have yet to read it. But the documentary was downright great.

Perhaps we can get a recommended book list. Boxing and Sports History in general is a burgeoning field right now, and there are several great books out there.

lmnorw
03-08-2005, 09:52 PM
why would ali want to be like johnson?a big ape looking black man who couldnt get a black woman so he ran to what the white man didnt want?why would ali want to be ko'd by middleweights and then duck all of the good black fighters once he won the title?johnson was just a loud mouth fool who is only remembered because he was the first black to win the heavyweight title that and nothing more..nothing about the way he boxed could be classifeid as being good..a glass chin..a boring style .bacially punch and hold punch and hold and keep doing this until your opponent got tired..most of the guys he fought were smaller than him besides jeffries and when he fought jim he was old and probably didnt really want to box anymore.he came back because people probably forced him to do it because they wanted some white guy to beat him..johnson was a disgrace to the black race

tommo
03-13-2005, 02:58 AM
****in a. I read papa jacks biography.He put with more **** than any sports star period !

Jank
04-19-2005, 01:41 PM
Brought a lot of it on himself, he could have kept quite and got on with his boxing (not saying thats what he should do) and took a little less bs. Kinda funny now to think of all the trouble they went to, to get rid of him. Very diffrent world then heh.

Jank
04-19-2005, 01:45 PM
Jim Jeffries was pretty much forced into fighting him

Dempsey 1919
10-26-2005, 12:59 PM
why would ali want to be like johnson?a big ape looking black man who couldnt get a black woman so he ran to what the white man didnt want?why would ali want to be ko'd by middleweights and then duck all of the good black fighters once he won the title?johnson was just a loud mouth fool who is only remembered because he was the first black to win the heavyweight title that and nothing more..nothing about the way he boxed could be classifeid as being good..a glass chin..a boring style .bacially punch and hold punch and hold and keep doing this until your opponent got tired..most of the guys he fought were smaller than him besides jeffries and when he fought jim he was old and probably didnt really want to box anymore.he came back because people probably forced him to do it because they wanted some white guy to beat him..johnson was a disgrace to the black race

All this you are saying is pure trash and bs. jack johnson was muhammad ali before his time. he revolutionized boxing by tranforming the art of pugilism into the sweet science. he punched hard, fast, quick combinations, when nobody was doing that. even though the great fighters of the 70s and 80s would probably beat him, he was weigh ahead of his time. He is also Jackie Robinson before his time. He broke the color barrier of HW boxing 40 years before robinson. even though he had his problems, which person doesn't? nobody's a saint. he took the pain and the weight of black america at the time on his more than capable shoulders. and as for he couldn't get a black woman WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HE WAS HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD! HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN ANY WOMAN HE WANTED! If someone as ugly as mike tyson could get Robyn Givens, who is to say johnson could'nt have done the same thing? But his preference was white woman and that is what he got. To me, someone like willy mays is the greatest baseball player, but jackie robinson is by far the most important. Likewise, muhammad ali is the greatest boxer, but Jack Johnson was the most important.

"I'm black, and you never let me forget it. I'm black, and I'll never let you forget it."

- Jack Johnson

SnoopySmurf
10-26-2005, 03:07 PM
Factoid:

Jack Johnson invented and patented the monkey wrench. Yep, every garage in America has one and that, boys and girls, was a product of Jack Johnson.

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blwrench1.htm

Dempsey 1919
10-26-2005, 05:15 PM
that's very interesting. so now not, only is jack johnson an innovator in boxing, he is an inventor as well!!