Bush got re-elected, that's bad news to some people and good news to others. Anyway there were rumors during the election campaign that it is a good possibility that Bush might re instate the draft and send people to Iraq to fight. Now, if this rumor turns out to be true people from the ages of 18-24 will be the first to go and this time females will probably have to go too. I must also add, those that refuse to go when drafted face a fine and/or possible jail sentence. Back in the 60's many still didnt go including Ali who got his title taken away as punshment and faced possible jail time. Some also left the country rather then go fight a war. Now my question is, if the draft was re instated tommorrow to go fight in Iraq would you go and fight. Cast your vote annonymously and give an opinion if you'd like.

As a matter of principal I might agree with a draft but on a small scale there's no way I would risk my life for this country or any country. I'm not planning on living in America for the rest of my life i see no reason to give my life for it

Don't think I don't love this country either I really do but I'm being serious I wouldn't risk my life for land or principal or anything.

My opinion. I'd probably go to Israel or Italy if the draft started and they called females and I got a draft notice

On another note I really don't think it's gonna happen.

As a matter of principal I might agree with a draft but on a small scale there's no way I would risk my life for this country or any country. I'm not planning on living in America for the rest of my life i see no reason to give my life for it

Don't think I don't love this country either I really do but I'm being serious I wouldn't risk my life for land or principal or anything.

My opinion. I'd probably go to Israel or Italy if the draft started and they called females and I got a draft notice

On another note I really don't think it's gonna happen.



oh yeah. i'm not saying its gonna happen, it was just a rumor so far. i just wanted to see people's thoughts about this and how many people would oppose going.

If people wanted to fight for there country they should join the army, part of the reason i pay tax is so somebody who's trained can defend my country for me!

My country(UK) have **** on me for defending myself far too many times, and if they ever wanted to fight for them against people i dont even know, then they can **** off!

yea you know what's odd though? How many other countries have a mandatory sentence in the army? I mean in Israel I think it's a mandatory 2 year commitment or something when you turn 18 male or female, and I know lots of othher countries have their men and sometimes women serve mandatory in their defense.

Yea this is a good topic johnny even though I don't think (or don't want) it to happen it's something we all have to think about and people usually have really different views on it

here's another question : for those of you that plan on living in America the rest of your lives , what if people dodging the draft meant we'd have a weaker homeland and you'd be at risk? Would you use the "1 vote doesn't count" mentality or would you join the effort? Personally I would just move

I say we give all the politicians guns and maek them go fight their own fights. that way, we lose less people, less money is wasted, and more than half of a countries problems are eliminated.

I would go fight in Iraq. I'm joining the Marines when I'm 18 anyways, so It would be the same thing.

I would go fight in Iraq. I'm joining the Marines when I'm 18 anyways, so It would be the same thing.

Thats cool, IMO regular guy shouldnt be forced to fight if they dont want to and havent had the correct training needed. Its just sending a man to die, even if they survive how could they go back to their day job? How can a country expect a religious man to kill when they fear god?

If your joining the marines at least your getting paid and learning how to survive correctly.

I'd move to Canada. If Iraq had WMD'S I would Definetley go over and fight. I don't believe in this war and I hope it's over soon so those kids can come back home safe.

I'd move to Canada. If Iraq had WMD'S I would Definetley go over and fight. I don't believe in this war and I hope it's over soon so those kids can come back home safe.

yeah come to the country in which i reside in. its nice n peaceful here right now. :)

There won't be a draft, but this war is an international embarrassment.

I would go fight in Iraq. I'm joining the Marines when I'm 18 anyways, so It would be the same thing.



......Hey, why join the military? It's noble and all but if you were my son I would push you towards a college education and out of harms way. Why so anxious to join the military? That's a big decision and I wonder if you are getting the right advice at home. No offense intended, it's great that your patriotic and you wanna represent your country by being one of the best, I just think you should take a year between 18-19 to really think about it.

Some guys are just warriors at heart. Also the military can open a lot of doors for some people, including a college education.

......Hey, why join the military? It's noble and all but if you were my son I would push you towards a college education and out of harms way. Why so anxious to join the military? That's a big decision and I wonder if you are getting the right advice at home. No offense intended, it's great that your patriotic and you wanna represent your country by being one of the best, I just think you should take a year between 18-19 to really think about it.

I'm not saying this is the case for anyone else, but not everyone is college bound and not everyone has money for college. I was gonna join the Air Force when I was 17 (was allready out of Jobcorps) so I could go to college and get the GI bill. Now I'm gonna not go to college but if I decide to make a military commitment I would.

Wanna hear something really funny, I've asked every single guy I know that voted for Bush and say they support the war 110%, but I also asked these guys individually at a later time about the possibility of the draft being reinstated, would they fight, the answer I got was an unequivocally resounding NO!

If we had to defend our country and principles I'd join the army. These'd be the only reasons for me to risk my life and go to war.

Wanna hear something really funny, I've asked every single guy I know that voted for Bush and say they support the war 110%, but I also asked these guys individually at a later time about the possibility of the draft being reinstated, would they fight, the answer I got was an unequivocally resounding NO!


......An all volunteer military works just fine. We may be spread a little thin right now but it's do to unecessary deployments just outside the old Soviet Union. We have troops in places that it is no longer necessary and they should be shifted to provide better coverage where needed. Also, with modern advances in technology coming day by day our ability to strike from afar or from drone aircraft, smart bombs, and whatever else may come about in the future is increasing. As the technology advances then our reliance on ground personel should decrease. This country would never stand for a draft again, unless there was a world war fought conventionaly and we had no choice.

I'm not saying this is the case for anyone else, but not everyone is college bound and not everyone has money for college. I was gonna join the Air Force when I was 17 (was allready out of Jobcorps) so I could go to college and get the GI bill. Now I'm gonna not go to college but if I decide to make a military commitment I would.



.....Hey, my parents didn't have **** for money and they didn't help me one bit to get a college education. I paid my own way by working 40 hours a week and getting student loans. There is a way to get it done if you wanna go to college bad enough. Cut costs with your first 2 years at Community College before transfering to a 4 year school.

i'd go in a heartbeat if i didn't have my daughter. i could give two ****s whether or not there were wmds.

Personally I wouldnt' go...guess my avatar explains it all lol.

But I aint hatin on people who want to go. What other people do or say doesn't really bother me b/c...**** they aint paying my rent! haha.

IMO bush/bin laden/saddam/kerry/clinton are all part of the same BILLIONAIRES clubs that I"M not a part of...damit! lol.

......Hey, why join the military? It's noble and all but if you were my son I would push you towards a college education and out of harms way. Why so anxious to join the military? That's a big decision and I wonder if you are getting the right advice at home. No offense intended, it's great that your patriotic and you wanna represent your country by being one of the best, I just think you should take a year between 18-19 to really think about it.

HAHA this is the guy who sends me private messages to me saying...oh if u dont like this country and wat george bush does leave! LoLz...man you got no integriy, heart or balls. Loser...just sad...really sad :( its not even funny ne more. :eek:

.....Hey, my parents didn't have **** for money and they didn't help me one bit to get a college education. I paid my own way by working 40 hours a week and getting student loans. There is a way to get it done if you wanna go to college bad enough. Cut costs with your first 2 years at Community College before transfering to a 4 year school.

Yea I go to community college now, but I gotta drop out next simester. Since I'm only 17 I can't get any financial aid even though I qualify for a full pail grant and tuition waiver within the state (can't get anythin until 18 state law)

I work 2 jobs right now and since I've started 40 hours a week my grades have been failing. I want it bad enough but I just don't have the endurance to work a full time job and go to school full time while I'm 17. :cool: Not for everyone

HAHA this is the guy who sends me private messages to me saying...oh if u dont like this country and wat george bush does leave! LoLz...man you got no integriy, heart or balls. Loser...just sad...really sad :( its not even funny ne more. :eek:


....There is absolutley no contradiction in what I said. What does GW have to do with a draft? A draft will not be reinstated. Obviously your IQ is not high enough to grasp the concept. I stand by what I said, if you don't like it here then get the **** out Nancy. You sent the first private message when I hit you with bad Karma. I just responded to your idiotic avatar and your idiotic nonsense rants. You claim not to give a **** about politics at all and have no interest but you still manage to put up a political avatar. Hello, anybody home?? STFU already and go back to reading boys life.

....There is absolutley no contradiction in what I said. What does GW have to do with a draft? A draft will not be reinstated. Obviously your IQ is not high enough to grasp the concept. I stand by what I said, if you don't like it here then get the **** out Nancy. You sent the first private message when I hit you with bad Karma. I just responded to your idiotic avatar and your idiotic nonsense rants. You claim not to give a **** about politics at all and have no interest but you still manage to put up a political avatar. Hello, anybody home?? STFU already and go back to reading boys life.

What does GW have to do with a draft? Please tell me you did not just say that? ;) I rest my case your honor.

What does GW have to do with a draft? Please tell me you did not just say that? ;) I rest my case your honor.


.....It's a very simple question. What does he have to do with a draft that won't happen. Are you another one under the assumption that he will restart the draft? Please respond so I know what the hell you are talking about. Also, you refer to yourself as if you live in the USA but then you make comments in your PM about stupid Americans. Does that include you, or are you foreign as I suspect? Canadian I would guess.

.....It's a very simple question. What does he have to do with a draft that won't happen. Are you another one under the assumption that he will restart the draft? Please respond so I know what the hell you are talking about. Also, you refer to yourself as if you live in the USA but then you make comments in your PM about stupid Americans. Does that include you, or are you foreign as I suspect? Canadian I would guess.

Yes Einstein I'm Canadian - - - -- > Nezahualcoyotl. HAHAHA.
And how are you so sure the draft WONT happen?

Yes Einstein I'm Canadian - - - -- > Nezahualcoyotl. HAHAHA.
And how are you so sure the draft WONT happen?


....scroll back in the thread and you will see my reasoning.

....scroll back in the thread and you will see my reasoning.

Your simply "reasoning" - which doesn't mean its 100% guarantee its NOT going to happen. If you were a Senator/congressman then i'd take weight to what your saying, but your just a # buddy. I dont think you have that much pull in this country or else you wouldn't be on here posting. You'd have 5 cars, 5 houses, 5 wives livin it up D.C.

Your simply "reasoning" - which doesn't mean its 100% guarantee its NOT going to happen. If you were a Senator/congressman then i'd take weight to what your saying, but your just a # buddy. I dont think you have that much pull in this country or else you wouldn't be on here posting. You'd have 5 cars, 5 houses, 5 wives livin it up D.C.


.....Your right, it's just my opinion. However, most experts agree that a draft will never happen too. I'm not alone in my thinking and I realize that my opinion will not change anything.

.....Your right, it's just my opinion. However, most experts agree that a draft will never happen too. I'm not alone in my thinking and I realize that my opinion will not change anything.

"Experts"...so like the guy digging in the trash can? I'm killing it now...kali love!

"Experts"...so like the guy digging in the trash can? I'm killing it now...kali love!


hey man i have a question. what part is it that you like about my sig? just a question thats all.

......An all volunteer military works just fine. We may be spread a little thin right now but it's do to unecessary deployments just outside the old Soviet Union. We have troops in places that it is no longer necessary and they should be shifted to provide better coverage where needed. Also, with modern advances in technology coming day by day our ability to strike from afar or from drone aircraft, smart bombs, and whatever else may come about in the future is increasing. As the technology advances then our reliance on ground personel should decrease. This country would never stand for a draft again, unless there was a world war fought conventionaly and we had no choice.Amigo, I get your point, but I think you totally missed the boat with my story.

Yea I go to community college now, but I gotta drop out next simester. Since I'm only 17 I can't get any financial aid even though I qualify for a full pail grant and tuition waiver within the state (can't get anythin until 18 state law)

I work 2 jobs right now and since I've started 40 hours a week my grades have been failing. I want it bad enough but I just don't have the endurance to work a full time job and go to school full time while I'm 17. :cool: Not for everyone


RoXy, once you qualify for financial aid, do try to get back to college! Also you can be a part time student. Many places like BU have evening classes geared towards working people who want to get a college degree.

Education is very IMPORTANT!!! There is a huge premium to education given by the labor market, and this premium has been growing over the past 20 years, especially at the high percentiles of the earning distribution.

I have to say that I have got all of my education financed through scholarships, TA-ships, RA-ships, and fellowships, and I had to work my ass off for all of that. My parents only could afford to help me buy plane tickets to the U.S. That's all. (That's how perestroika worked -- it made 99% of the people absolutely poor, but it gave us freedom).

If you work hard, it pays off!!! Education is of enormous value in the modern world.

BUSH is ****ting his pants right now, mainly for one reason. The Iraqi "Army" is just not functioning like everyone in the Pentagon had hoped.

An ineffective Iraqi Army, coupled with piss-poor committments from real Forces (other than Britain) means the Draft is not so unimaginable.

BUSH is ****ting his pants right now, mainly for one reason. The Iraqi "Army" is just not functioning like everyone in the Pentagon had hoped.

An ineffective Iraqi Army, coupled with piss-poor committments from real Forces (other than Britain) means the Draft is not so unimaginable.



a very scary thought my friend, a very scary thought. lets all hope that the world leaders can somehow find a peaceful resolution to this mess. peace

I'd move to Canada.
You can't. One of the first things done when Bush got elected was an agreement between the US and Canada where the US has to pre-approve people crossing the border in the event of a draft.

Personally, I'm too old for the draft at 38, though I would fall into a "Special Skills" draft the way the Selective Service rules have been rewritten under Bush. You can be drafted with a Special Skill up to 44 years old.

If it happens, I'm marrying my girlfriend and taking her to Ireland. I'll be leaving the potential of more than $2million/year on the table here in Hawaii, but that's small change compared to her.

Education is very IMPORTANT!!! There is a huge premium to education given by the labor market, and this premium has been growing over the past 20 years, especially at the high percentiles of the earning distribution.
You couldn't be more right. When I graduated High School was really the beginning of needing a degree to get any kind of real job. I remember growing up and hearing, "if you don't graduate High School, you'll never get a decent job."

Nowadays a Bachellor's Degree is the equivalent of the the HS Diploma you needed then. You're not going to get a decent job without it.

I voted for 'Susan'

I voted for 'Susan'

Tiiiiiiiiight.

****, if regular citizen's gotta go than senator's sons and other people eligible gotta go too. I'm too young to get sent to the sand box and I ain't goin when I do become eligible, because I aint got no quarrel with the mideasterns.

I would go gladly because the boredom of my life makes me want to jump out a window. The best part of my day is going to sleep and dream of something better. My dad signed up for the Infantry during Vietnam because he wanted to "kill People like Audie Murphy". Nuts I know.

I would not. The air in iraq is bad for my skin and the uniform is tasteless.

no i wouldnt go fight, its a worthless battle, we should have never got involved.

The war, not battle, is absloutely not worthless. Americans want success, but don't have the stomach for war. This generation would never have made it through WWII. Lack of success in Iraq colors the perception of the war. If we were winning clearly, most people would chipe in saying how noble this effort is.

Iraqis do not seem ready to embrace democracy. In that sense, the war is lacking worth.

The war, not battle, is absloutely not worthless. Americans want success, but don't have the stomach for war. This generation would never have made it through WWII. Lack of success in Iraq colors the perception of the war. If we were winning clearly, most people would chipe in saying how noble this effort is.

Iraqis do not seem ready to embrace democracy. In that sense, the war is lacking worth.

With the right advertisement, this generation would have made through the world war just as well as the original one. Give people a goal worth fighting for, and they will fight for it, people are gullible, when in masses. Bush's main failure was inability to advertise the war right and lying too unskillfully.
And besides, its not like America was dogfighting with Germany, Soviet Union took the biggest hit.(that was actually a plan for Roosevelt and Churchill, and grounds for cold war, not to open the second front for as long as possible, so SU will get as many casualties as possible)

I've seen so many old topics being re-born.

You guys are nuts haha.

Bush got re-elected, that's bad news to some people and good news to others. Anyway there were rumors during the election campaign that it is a good possibility that Bush might re instate the draft and send people to Iraq to fight. Now, if this rumor turns out to be true people from the ages of 18-24 will be the first to go and this time females will probably have to go too. I must also add, those that refuse to go when drafted face a fine and/or possible jail sentence. Back in the 60's many still didnt go including Ali who got his title taken away as punshment and faced possible jail time. Some also left the country rather then go fight a war. Now my question is, if the draft was re instated tommorrow to go fight in Iraq would you go and fight. Cast your vote annonymously and give an opinion if you'd like.

I'm 36 so screw you guys. :D


No, just kidding. I think it would be an attrocity to reinstate the draft...felt it was facist before and was glad when they stopped it. All the draft does is make sure more of our underpriveldged young men and women will be sent over seas to face machine gun fire and roadside bombs. Right now, those over there knew what they were gettin into....kind of; well, at least they chose to serve, which is admireable. But; making someone go who doesn't want to fight is just wrong....especially in this situation. And, as I'd said, it would be more poor people and minorities going off to fight. There would be a disproportionate amount of poor to well-off kids going to war to face death.....and that's not fair nor right.

I'm 36 so screw you guys. :D


No, just kidding. I think it would be an attrocity to reinstate the draft...felt it was facist before and was glad when they stopped it. All the draft does is make sure more of our underpriveldged young men and women will be sent over seas to face machine gun fire and roadside bombs. Right now, those over there knew what they were gettin into....kind of; well, at least they chose to serve, which is admireable. But; making someone go who doesn't want to fight is just wrong....especially in this situation. And, as I'd said, it would be more poor people and minorities going off to fight. There would be a disproportionate amount of poor to well-off kids going to war to face death.....and that's not fair nor right.

My friend once said that draft was an ethnic/social class cleansing.

The war, not battle, is absloutely not worthless. Americans want success, but don't have the stomach for war. This generation would never have made it through WWII. Lack of success in Iraq colors the perception of the war. If we were winning clearly, most people would chipe in saying how noble this effort is.

Iraqis do not seem ready to embrace democracy. In that sense, the war is lacking worth.

Most clear thinking Americans knew this would be the case before the whole thing started.........This is the most useless war in history absolutely no reason for it.The War on Terror is another story but Iraq is now a breeding ground for Terror and is and always will be worse than when we came there in the first place.

My friend once said that draft was an ethnic/social class cleansing.

Your friend was right.

The war, not battle, is absloutely not worthless. Americans want success, but don't have the stomach for war. This generation would never have made it through WWII. Lack of success in Iraq colors the perception of the war. If we were winning clearly, most people would chipe in saying how noble this effort is.

Iraqis do not seem ready to embrace democracy. In that sense, the war is lacking worth.


I half agree with you and half don't. This generation isn't as inclined to take up the gun and go to war; but neither was the generation that went to war in WWII until Pearl Harbor. Americans, traditionally, are isolationists and don't want to get involved in other people's business...our government does; but not us. Before we were bombed at Pearl Harbor....aka directly attacked/ambushed, England was begging us to get involved and telling us all about Hitler and his amitions....least what they knew at the time, yet, it took the Japanese bringing us into it by force.

"The Greatest Generation" were great; but they were made to be great because they were pushed. Iraq didn't push us, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda did....and we....our government...seemingly lost interest in them nearly a year into this whole thing.

If this generation were facing the kind of threat "The Greatest Generation" faced.....we'd step up IMO, and be "The 'Next' Greatest Generation".

I'm 36 so screw you guys. :D


No, just kidding. I think it would be an attrocity to reinstate the draft...felt it was facist before and was glad when they stopped it. All the draft does is make sure more of our underpriveldged young men and women will be sent over seas to face machine gun fire and roadside bombs. Right now, those over there knew what they were gettin into....kind of; well, at least they chose to serve, which is admireable. But; making someone go who doesn't want to fight is just wrong....especially in this situation. And, as I'd said, it would be more poor people and minorities going off to fight. There would be a disproportionate amount of poor to well-off kids going to war to face death.....and that's not fair nor right.

They key part of that is the kind of. They volunteered knowing they could end up fighting in a war. But behind that was the assumption that they would only fight if they had to, in a war where they would be prepared to fight in. The war in Iraq had neither. Unfortunately, Afghanastan gets shadowed by Iraq so less people are sent there, but that war was justified and I would imagine people would be more willing to fight there than Iraq.

The war, not battle, is absloutely not worthless. Americans want success, but don't have the stomach for war. This generation would never have made it through WWII. Lack of success in Iraq colors the perception of the war. If we were winning clearly, most people would chipe in saying how noble this effort is.

Iraqis do not seem ready to embrace democracy. In that sense, the war is lacking worth.

One argument that I've seen made is that the WWII generation were the people that went through the Great Depression. Our generation hasn't seen anything like that. There are too many differences between WWII and that generation and the war in Iraq and this one, to make a comparision, IMHO. It seems more and more like Vietnam.

I can't believe no one else voted for 'Susan'

Holy Jesus!

7 0.00%
Lindsay 2 0.00%
Jill 1 0.00%
Susan 2 0.00%
Derek 0 0%
Blah Blah Blah Luke 64984360
That's a lot of votes.

Bush got re-elected, that's bad news to some people and good news to others. Anyway there were rumors during the election campaign that it is a good possibility that Bush might re instate the draft and send people to Iraq to fight. Now, if this rumor turns out to be true people from the ages of 18-24 will be the first to go and this time females will probably have to go too. I must also add, those that refuse to go when drafted face a fine and/or possible jail sentence. Back in the 60's many still didnt go including Ali who got his title taken away as punshment and faced possible jail time. Some also left the country rather then go fight a war. Now my question is, if the draft was re instated tommorrow to go fight in Iraq would you go and fight. Cast your vote annonymously and give an opinion if you'd like.
The idea of a draft is laughable.

People who feel it could happen for any reason short of WW3, is a ****ing idiot.