Who do you think is the most overrated boxer ever? [Archive]

Tha_Greatest

07-28-2005, 08:56 PM

Arturo Gatti,

He has never beaten anybody good. He fights suckers like Terron Millett, James Leija ,Mickey Wards Gianluca Branco and others. His 2 actual fights where he fought a good opponent(De La Hoya & Mayweather) he got the pisser beaten ot of him. He lost to suckers that are just not even good fighters like Angel Manfredy, Ivan Robinson(2 Times), and for heavens sake, the horrible Mickey Ward who is only gonna be remembered for 1 great fight with Gatti and 2 other overated fights with Gatti.The biggest victory for Gatti came 10 years ago against Rafael Ruelas. The next big win that Gatti puts up will be his first big victory.Gatti sells cause he has a entertaing war fighting style against awful and average fighters. He has been beaten to death vs the greater fighters hes faced, De La Hoya and Mayweather.

riz

07-28-2005, 08:58 PM

most overrate:
tito
lewis
last few years - tyson

i must say this is a great thread. eviel im the biggest ali fan man, but i understand wat ur saying
but thts in all sports
when u think of a sport each sport has their guy
basketball is jordan
hockey is gretzky
cricket n soccer r different
boxing is ali

RwK

07-28-2005, 08:59 PM

Personally.....I think Vitali Klitschko is the most overrated fighter at the moment. He has never fought anyone worth a damn, with the exception of Kirk Johnson. Even at that: He was mediocre to say the least.

His brother has fifty times the credentials he has, despite his knockout losses. Anyways.......

Vitali has 2 of them. LOL. And I dont care if one was a quit, and the other one from a cut. I dont want to ****ing hear it.

riz

07-28-2005, 09:00 PM

IwatchBoxing

07-28-2005, 09:05 PM

Well, I'am glad Trinidad has been put in the same sentence as Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, and Muhammed Ali. Just looking at the names thrown in this thread, makes me choose : you guys are overrated. :D

RwK

07-28-2005, 09:14 PM

most overrate:
lewis

****ing Yawn.

Holds wins over,

Currently "highly regarded" Vitali Klitschko

Mike Tyson-- And dont give me this "Mike was washed up..." ****...because they were the same age basically.

Evander Holyfield--1 legitimate win + the draw that should have been a win....but was robbed.

David Tua

Michael Grant-, who was considered the future of the heavyweight division because of his impressive undefeated record at the time.

Shannon Briggs
Andrew Golota
Henry Akiwande
Oliver McCall
Frank Bruno
Razor Ruddock

Overrated my ass. Hush up. Easily top five heavyweight of all time no matter how you look at it. Im sorry;

Metallica:

"You know its sad but truuuuuuueeeeeeee!"

{BrownBomber}

07-28-2005, 09:19 PM

****ing Yawn.

Holds wins over,

Currently "highly regarded" Vitali Klitschko

Mike Tyson-- And dont give me this "Mike was washed up..." ****...because they were the same age basically.

Evander Holyfield--1 legitimate win + the draw that should have been a win....but was robbed.

David Tua

Michael Grant-, who was considered the future of the heavyweight division because of his impressive undefeated record at the time.

Shannon Briggs
Andrew Golota
Henry Akiwande
Oliver McCall
Frank Bruno
Razor Ruddock

Overrated my ass. Hush up. Easily top five heavyweight of all time no matter how you look at it. Im sorry;

Metallica:

"You know its sad but truuuuuuueeeeeeee!"

good one carnal!;)

RwK

07-28-2005, 09:23 PM

good one carnal!;)

I sometimes get angry when people diss the greatest Limey fighter of all time.

Tha_Greatest

07-28-2005, 09:26 PM

peopl dont watch him cuz hes a P4P guy. they watch him cuz he doesn't take no for an answer, and likes to have a bloody mess.
I mentioned what you said, he fights wars vs not so good fighters and he loses to the better fighters like Mayweather and Oscar as if he was a helpless woman, the reason i put Arturo Gatti is because yhis topic is for most overated, and that what Gatti is, their are people who think Gatti is a very good fighter, ive heard people talk about Gatti as if he were great, that is why, Gatti deserves a shot at the most overated list. If you hear people like Mayweather fans brag about a win over Gatti, it makes you think whats the big deal, I know Mayweather is a great fighter but its only Gatti, Nobody expected Gatti to win, its not like if they got a decision over a better fighter like a Judah or Margarito. Gatti is overated as hell

JUYJUY

07-28-2005, 09:30 PM

I think Mike Tyson is the most UNDER-rated fighter ever (84-88) but I also think Mike Tyson is over-rated (88-05). Basically, Post-Catskill he was a joke.

As for Ali, ridiculously over-rated and definately one of the most over-rated of all-time. Lennox Lewis and Bernard Hopkins were also over-rated. But the most over-rated of all-time has to go Roy Jones Jr by a country mile.

Tarver is my dad

07-28-2005, 10:21 PM

JUYJUY

07-28-2005, 10:24 PM

how was tyson 84-88 underrated??
At the time he wasn't under-rated, but now he is.

sisforshaq

07-28-2005, 10:32 PM

Julio Cesar Chavez

sisforshaq

07-28-2005, 10:33 PM

Should have lost to Taylor and that draw with Pernell was biggest robbery Ive seen.

shemmue

07-28-2005, 11:05 PM

ottoevans

07-28-2005, 11:22 PM

Tyson - Never beat anybody, people loved him cause nobody could kill bums like he did.

Tito - somewaht cause he was the worse boxer ever, but his power made him a world class fighter

.::EnRiQuE::.

07-28-2005, 11:29 PM

people put tito's name on this list, but only idiots think trinidad was a great boxer. he was a mediocre boxer with pretty darn good power that made up for his lack of boxing skillz/defense. i think tito was pretty good, but nothing legendary

IwatchBoxing

07-28-2005, 11:59 PM

i don't know how people can say trinidad is overated ..he won titles in 3 different divisons and fought everybody that he could fight never ducked anyone ......he was one of the most exciting fighters to come around in along time and he was a devastating fighter reid,vargas,joppy were never the same after fighting tito he ended careers .....i know he got dominated by hopkins and winky but they have made alot of guys look bad in my eyes it still does not take away from what he accomplished .
Yes, people base their opinions over three fights, I dont see anybody calling DLH overrated, when he got many gifts, and lost to Sturm. Just having this conversation, over and over, proves he isnt overrated. It is just that his downfall is fresh on peoples minds, and they forget that he didnt start boxing yesterday.

scap

07-29-2005, 12:29 AM

riz

07-29-2005, 12:34 AM

i still say trinidad, and recently mike tyson.
and to be honest, mayb not the most overrated, but IMO barrera has received to much hype. hey all u MAB fans dont go crazy on me. im jus giving my honest opinion. he takes on all these crappy guys like fana, and now peden.... comon...

IwatchBoxing

07-29-2005, 12:36 AM

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 12:37 AM

Tommy Hearns was an awesome fighter, definately one of the best 147-154 fighters ever, and one of the best 160 too because he was Hagler's toughest fight. But I think Tommy was beatable at 160, Doug DeWitt went the distance with a prime Hearns and caused him problems, I think Gerald McClellan would of beaten Hearns due to his much stronger chin (by the way, Gerald was beating Tommy in sparring sessions in 1988.. he was getting the better of the WBC champion and he hadn't even turned pro yet!). Yes I think Tommy Hearns is a little over-rated, he was obviously very good but I just feel that people regard the 'Fab Four' (Hagler, Leonard, Duran, Hearns) as if they were invincible which gets silly and stupid and over-the-top, they are regarded too highly in my opinion even though they were great fighters.. and Hearns was probably the fourth best out of those in all honesty.

Stealthic

07-29-2005, 12:39 AM

Dunno, but I'll tell you who was the most underrated:

ARCHIE MOORE

People like RJJ and Floyd owe a lot to him as far as the freestyle stance goes.

{BrownBomber}

07-29-2005, 12:57 AM

Lmao, there is someone who threw Chaves in the mix and we got a person making a case for trinidad. :confused:

RwK

07-29-2005, 01:01 AM

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 01:05 AM

Lmfao@ juyjuy.

Antonio Tarver
John Ruiz
Clinton Woods
Glen Kelley
JC Gonzales
Derrick Harmon
Erik Harding
David Telesco
Virgil Hill
Montel Griffin
Mike McCallum
James Toney
Bernard Hopkins
Thomas Tate

LMFAO!

Tarver, Ruiz, Woods, Kelley, Gonzalez, Harmon, Harding, Telesco, Tate.. beating these guys do not make you better than Sugar Ray Robinson.

Hopkins wasn't even ranked in the top five at 160 at the time of Jones Jr fighting him, Toney was severely weight-drained and McCallum was 40-years-old. Toney and McCallum at their best at 160 would of beaten Jones Jr that's for sure.

Hill was a good win, but the Lineal RING Mag champion Michalczewski had already beaten Hill. Griffin was causing Jones Jr alsorts of problems, and he beat Jones Jr.

RwK

07-29-2005, 01:17 AM

Hopkins wasn't even ranked in the top five at 160 at the time of Jones Jr fighting him

ummm.......Hopkins last loss prior to taylor was RJJ. LOL!

Toney was severely weight-drained and McCallum was 40-years-old. Toney and McCallum at their best at 160 would of beaten Jones Jr that's for sure.

Excuses, Excuses. Keep reaching.

Griffin was causing Jones Jr alsorts of problems, and he beat Jones Jr.

hahahahhaahahh

by a ****ing disqualification avenged by first round KO.

You need to take meds man. Seriously.

You know Dick about Boxing.....and it shows.

BadMagick

07-29-2005, 01:18 AM

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 01:19 AM

And anyone who uses that age **** with the Tyson fight is a moron. Tyson was a shadow of the man he was in the 80's by that time.
A moron is an understatement.

AintGottaClue

07-29-2005, 01:19 AM

lennox lewis, rocky M, tito trinidad all disgustingly overrated

BadMagick

07-29-2005, 01:20 AM

i don't know how people can say trinidad is overated ..he won titles in 3 different divisons and fought everybody that he could fight never ducked anyone ......he was one of the most exciting fighters to come around in along time and he was a devastating fighter reid,vargas,joppy were never the same after fighting tito he ended careers .....i know he got dominated by hopkins and winky but they have made alot of guys look bad in my eyes it still does not take away from what he accomplished .

Every real class fighter he ever went up against made him look foolish. Winky, B-Hop, and Oscar made him look stupid. Oscar dominated the fight, and got robbed at the end.

RwK

07-29-2005, 01:22 AM

Every real class fighter he ever went up against made him look foolish. Winky, B-Hop, and Oscar made him look stupid. Oscar dominated the fight, and got robbed at the end.

This coming from the same person who did not know who David Reid Was.....

Just hush up. You are an imbecile.

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 01:23 AM

ummm.......Hopkins last loss prior to taylor was RJJ. LOL!

Excuses, Excuses. Keep reaching.

hahahahhaahahh

by a ****ing disqualification avenged by first round KO.

You need to take meds man. Seriously.

You know Dick about Boxing.....and it shows.
Your the one who needs to take the meds, you have been fooled and brain-washed and it's funny as hell.

The number one Middleweight's while Roy Jones was at that weight were Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan, Roy Jones was never number one at Middleweight. Roy Jones didn't fight Jackson or McClellan, he was too scared plain and simple.

Roy Jones was Nigel Benn's mandatory contender early in 1993 at 168, Benn was WBC champ, but Jones Jr figured out that Benn would be too tough so he dropped back to down to 160 to avoid Benn who was up for the fight with Jones, he dropped back down to 160 despite being a mandatory contender for a WBC title! If that isn't avoiding somebody then I don't know what is!

Before fighting Toney, Jones Jr wasn't ranked near the top 10 lb4lb, Toney was #1 lb4lb and Jones Jr was a big underdog. But just six weeks before the Jones Jr fight, Toney was weighing 220lbs! He had to get down to 168! So Toney was extremely dehydrated and a shadow of his former self against Jones Jr due to starving himself, ofcourse Jones Jr managed to pick up the win.. but it wasn't Toney near his best so the win counts for nothing because Jones Jr refused to give Toney a re-match years and years and years. And after beating the current #1 lb4lb in Toney, Jones Jr jumped all the way into the #1 lb4lb spot undeservedly and stayed there for 10 years - very undeservedly. Jones Jr defended his IBF 168 title five times, three of which weren't even ranked in the top 10 at 168 at the time and another was just a 'blown-up' Lightweight, the first time that Jones Jr ever fought a mandatory contender was his very last fight as a 160-168 fighter against Bryant Brannon (Bryant who?). Roy Jones avoided fellow top five World Champions Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins and Frankie Liles because he was scared, they all called Jones Jr out and tried to make the fight but Jones Jr was plain and simple too scared to take risks.

After defeating 40-year-old Mike McCallum (who would of taken Jones apart in his prime 7-8 years earlier) Roy Jones was AWARDED the WBC 175 belt, and proceeded to defend the belt against mediocre opposition for six years before jumping to Heavyweight and taking on the worst of the Heavyweight champs (Ruiz), but what people forget is that Dariusz Michalczewski was the Lineal Champion at 175 NOT Roy Jones, Dariusz Michalczewski was the RING Magazine champion at 175 NOT Roy Jones, Roy Jones defeated Virgil Hill at 175 but it was Michalczewski who was the first man to defeat Hill in Hill's previous fight NOT Roy Jones. Michael Nunn was often Jones' mandatory in the mid-to-late 90's but Jones Jr was too scared to fight him and risk losing.

He fooled all of you by never fighting the best, and you fell for it, believing that he was 'invincible' because he was beating washed up nobodies or green bums with his superior reflexes making up for his so many technical flaws, and you didn't know none the wiser.

Benn, Eubank, Nunn, McClellan.. any of those guys would of given Jones Jr his toughest test by miles. Michalczewski and Calzaghe are better opposition than Tarver and Johnson who both beat Jones Jr's ass (despite both being older than Jones Jr).

After defeating the great Richard Hall(Nigel Benn wannabe lol), people were calling Jones Jr "greater than Sugar Ray Robinson", he did a great job fooling y'all!

Easy-E

07-29-2005, 01:25 AM

lennox lewis, rocky M, tito trinidad all disgustingly overrated

lewis, yes, tito, yes, even though i like him, but rocky?
how can you call an undefeated fighter underrated. he was tough as nails, beat some great fighters and never lost, once. I dont understand how you can call him underrated

oldgringo

07-29-2005, 01:27 AM

BadMagick

07-29-2005, 01:29 AM

This coming from the same person who did not know who David Reid Was.....

Just hush up. You are an imbecile.

Because I didn't follow boxing until this year, I can't say that Lennox was not a top five HW? Joe Louis, Ali, Foreman, Fraizer, Holmes, there's five right there who were better than Lennox was. He's hardly top five, top ten, maybe, but that's a stretch, top 15 is pretty decent to give him, and top 20 is a must. He fought in such a weak era of HW. Evander was old, and pretty much shot when they fought, Tyson was post-jail, and everyone knows that post-jail Tyson was not the same Tyson of the 80's. McCall a really notable name? Rahman? Mercer? Mercer was good, but beating him can't be all that hard, he has double-digit losses, not to mention how old he was then. Golota is a no-heart bum. Tua? Tua's a ****ing joke. Grant was a good prospect, but he was rushed ahead way too early, and was an INCREDIBLY easy win for Lennox. The man will never be a hall of famer. The fact is Lennox fought two way past their prime hall of famers in Tyson and Evander, and that's it. You're a joke.

RwK

07-29-2005, 01:32 AM

Because I didn't follow boxing until this year?.

I rest my case genious. You typed all that for nothing.

AintGottaClue

07-29-2005, 01:33 AM

RwK

07-29-2005, 01:34 AM

BadMagick

07-29-2005, 01:35 AM

Roy Jones noteable wins

Hopkins
thomas tate
james toney
vinny pazienza
mike mccallum
montel griffin
virgil hill
otis grant
reggie johnson
richard hall
eric harding
julio ceaser gonzalez
glenn kelly
clinton woods
john ruiz
antonio tarver

overrated? umm no? he ended a lot of guys undefeated records like hopkins and toney, and he beat everyone there was to fight light heavyweight

Hopkins lost his first pro fight. He wasn't undefeated.

I rest my case genious. You typed all that for nothing.

You only say that because deep down, you know I'm right. McCall was nothing, Rahman was nothing. Golota is a joke, and Grant was too young an inexperienced to do anything. Evander and Tyson were shot. Tua's a ****ing chump, and so is Vitali. He fought in one of the weakest eras of heavyweight fighting.

By the way, it's "genius." Looks like someone spent twelve years in school for nothing. You can't even spell properly.

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 01:36 AM

Roy Jones noteable wins

Hopkins
thomas tate
james toney
vinny pazienza
mike mccallum
montel griffin
virgil hill
otis grant
reggie johnson
richard hall
eric harding
julio ceaser gonzalez
glenn kelly
clinton woods
john ruiz
antonio tarver

overrated? umm no? he ended a lot of guys undefeated records like hopkins and toney, and he beat everyone there was to fight light heavyweight
Lol. He didn't fight Toney, Hopkins or McCallum at their best, please wake up! Pazienza was a blown-up Lightweight FFS. Give me a break, and wins over the other guys on that list do not warrant being called the greatest fighter that ever lived :rolleyes: It's a ****ing joke.

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 01:37 AM

yeah.....You could post that fifty times....and these morons would never get it through their thick skull.
You've been brain-washed.

BadMagick

07-29-2005, 01:39 AM

Lol. He didn't fight Toney, Hopkins or McCallum at their best, please wake up! Pazienza was a blown-up Lightweight FFS. Give me a break, and wins over the other guys on that list do not warrant being called the greatest fighter that ever lived :rolleyes: It's a ****ing joke.

I think to call him the greatest ever is a little far fetched, but to say he wasn't a great talent is stupid, as well. He beat some very good fighters, and, while he didn't fight the best at Middle, he fought all but one at Light-heavy, which is where the majority of his career took place, anyhow. Dariusz is really the only guy he didn't take on at LH that's of any note, and that can be EASILY explained.

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 01:41 AM

Great read: http://espn.go.com/boxing/a/2002/1224/1482117.html

Good stuff: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363

Dirt E Gomez

07-29-2005, 01:41 AM

Lol. He didn't fight Toney, Hopkins or McCallum at their best, please wake up! Pazienza was a blown-up Lightweight FFS. Give me a break, and wins over the other guys on that list do not warrant being called the greatest fighter that ever lived :rolleyes: It's a ****ing joke.

That's a joke, not their posts. Didn't fight them at their bests, oh what a ****ing shame. He still won. Holmes still beat Ali. Lewis owned Tyson. It doesn't matter, they can have the little asterick in the history books all you want, but none of those fights for RJJ will.

$$$Pinky$$$

07-29-2005, 01:42 AM

A lot of these fighters are only overrated depending on who you speak with. Marciano and Chavez are great examples of this.

People who say the Rock was the greatest heavyweight ever easily hands down are overrating him...whereas people who say that he was a lucky brawler who could only out-slug old champs while taking a beating himself underrate him.

With Chavez, people who call him the greatest fighter ever because of his record and undefeated streak and whatnot overrate him...but people who say that he was an unskilled fighter who only beat up on mexican fighters to pad his record and never beat anyone worth noting underrate him.

Trinidad, Lewis, Jones...all of those guys fall into this boat as well.Now looky here young blood, so what your trying to say here is that every boxer that eva fought is overated? That ofcourse depending who you speak to? That **** makes me wanna take out my pistol!!!
One more thang if this is the case thats a lot mf boats to fill! Shoe nobody gonna use my boat for that ****!!!

Hitman932

07-29-2005, 01:45 AM

i cant really decide so Im asking you guys..

But there is one thing for sure....Ali is not overrated!

people will always say that Ali is overrated because of his lack of "impressive knockouts"

the fact is that he is one of a very select few who truly understood the intagibles of the sport and how to effectively match it with his skill. you can downplay it all you want, but Ali knocking out Foreman via the ope a dope was one one of the most beautiful pieces of boxing ever to be seen.

beauty in simplicity. period. exclamtion point!

RwK

07-29-2005, 01:45 AM

JuyJuy. Most Boxing fans, regular ringside observers of his fights, as well as experts on the issue........regard RJJ as the greatest fighter of our generation.

And on the Lewis subject....you can claim he was overrated...and Badmagick can say "He was nowhere near top 5 all time".....B.S.

Even Big George said himself.....Lewis is arguably the greatest fighter in that division all time. Close to the likes of Muhammad Ali.

Look at the people he destroyed. Its really no joke. RJJ as well for that matter.

Oh and lets not forget....Lewis avenged his two losses by way of knockout and or stoppage.

Super_Lightweight

07-29-2005, 01:49 AM

This is about the stupidest thread of the century. You might as well have asked everyone which fighter do they dislike the most. Stupid. No one's honest about this ****. They jsut type someone they hate and try (failing of course) to justify it.

Vitali has 2 of them. LOL. And I dont care if one was a quit, and the other one from a cut. I dont want to ****ing hear it.

I laughed when MAB got his ass kicked by the one-dimensional Pacquiao. MAB was a big *****, and he got owned on that night, way worse than Vitali did vs Byrd. :boxing:

RwK

07-29-2005, 01:50 AM

I laughed when MAB got his ass kicked by the one-dimensional Pacquiao. MAB was a big *****, and he got owned on that night, way worse than Vitali did vs Byrd. :boxing:

You mad because I ripped on your girlfriend A.K.A. "Wanda Sykes"?

STfu clown. You can do better than that.

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 01:53 AM

Here's what a respected boxing journalist had to say about Roy Jones Jr..
Roy Jones was included in the Ring Magazine Top 80 pound-for-pound fighters of all-time, but I believe it is a mistake. He wouldn't even make my Top 100. To be considered an all-time great, you have to be involved in great fights, the greatest fighters are involved in the greatest fights, and Roy Jones was not involved in any. The reason that he wasn't involved in any is because he chose the easy low-risk route, he simply did not fight the best fighters in any of the weight divisions he fought at so there wasn't as much possibility for any kind of super-fight involving Roy Jones. The hard-hitting USA middleweights such as Julian Jackson and Gerald McClellan are missing from his resume, British stars Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank are missing from his resume, Germany's best Dariusz Michalczewsi and Graciano Rocchigiani are missing from his resume, and there's not even a Michael Nunn or a Frankie Liles on his resume, despite Nunn and Liles being fellow US citizens and going out of their way to try and make a fight with Roy on many occasions. These kind of fights could of brought the best out of Roy rather than Roy defending titles against no-hopers. Irishman Steve Collins climbed into the ring after a Roy Jones fight and offered to fight him, at the time Collins was a world champion so there was something to gain for Roy, why the fight didn't happen can only be down to Roy. Roy Jones has never been a lineal title holder at any weight he's fought at, and that speaks volumes. Roy Jones JR., the brutal honest truth: an over-rated fraud.

I agree!

RwK

07-29-2005, 01:54 AM

-Antonio-

07-29-2005, 01:55 AM

It seems like people are suddenly calling RJJ overrated because he lost twice at the end of his career. It happends to everybody. It happend to Ali. RJJ beat everyone put in front of him except for glen johnson, although he was washed up by then. He may not have faced Toney at his best but its not his fault, and B-Hop was at his best he just faught the better man. I also dont think anyone should call Tito overrated. He was unstoppable as a welter. He got outboxed by a hall of famer in De La Hoya, but still won the fight on the cards. His only losses are agaisnt two very good middleweights. He hasnt ducked anyone his whole career. I still think if he had a better trainer he could be a much more polished boxer.

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 01:56 AM

JuyJuy. Most Boxing fans, regular ringside observers of his fights, as well as experts on the issue........regard RJJ as the greatest fighter of our generation.
To be honest with you, I come across no end of people who believe that Jones Jr was a phoney, you'd be suprised just how many.

RwK

07-29-2005, 01:57 AM

Super_Lightweight

07-29-2005, 01:58 AM

this is getting ridiculous. My fingers are tired of Pwnage.

How do your fingers get tired from getting pwned? That's weird...hey tell me why's that *****boy MAB ducking Pacman? MAB is a big titty sucking *****. :bottle:

Super_Lightweight

07-29-2005, 02:03 AM

Hey JUYJUY you assclown, you've been exposed a million times over. So you post an article hating on RJJ but some unamed "respected journalist" and wholeheartedly agree, how orignal! You're such an original guy. You are about as unpredictable as drying paint.

AND KNIVES...you know you're a dick. Don't act like nothing else. But nah you can call my girl Wanda I don't care lol they don't even look alike. Also, MAB got his ass whooped, and I don't like him as a fighter, but I'm jus effin with yas cuz you hate on Vitali too much. All in fun (jus so u know in the future when I mess with you more).

At least you say annoying **** on purpose whereas JUYJUY secretes it like a blundering, ****-juggling thundercunt baby-back *****. He can't help himself.

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 02:06 AM

At the end of the day, you cannot deny that Roy Jones is a disgrace to boxing.. and the only place he should be put is in the Hall of Shame.

AintGottaClue

07-29-2005, 02:09 AM

roy jones a disgrace to boxing? u can call him overrated all u want but a disgrace? is it just me or do brits have a vandetta agasint RJJ? cause i know plenty of brits who are just like juyjuy

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 02:11 AM

roy jones a disgrace to boxing? u can call him overrated all u want but a disgrace? is it just me or do brits have a vandetta agasint RJJ? cause i know plenty of brits who are just like juyjuy
No actually, most Brit's hug Jones Jr's nuts, it's mostly American's who believe he is a phoney (apart from the brain-washed fools ofcourse).

AintGottaClue

07-29-2005, 02:14 AM

No actually, most Brit's hug Jones Jr's nuts, it's mostly American's who believe he is a phoney (apart from the brain-washed fools ofcourse).

not in my experince, but ya there r haters for probally every fighter

DiegoFuego

07-29-2005, 02:16 AM

Oscar De La Hoya is the most overrated fighter I have ever seen. No matter what division he flocks to, he is immediately ranked in the top 4 when he hasn't won a meaningful fight since 2002. He's lost four of the five biggest fights of his career and arguably more that the judges handed to him.

Super Cruiserweight

07-29-2005, 02:17 AM

you piece of scum,juyjuy ask urself this- could benn,eubanks or dariusz of beaten fighters that roy beat as well as roy beat them ?

owned

JUYJUY

07-29-2005, 02:31 AM

ask urself this- could benn,eubanks or dariusz of beaten fighters that roy beat as well as roy beat them ?
Maybe, maybe not. But neither Benn, Eubank or Michalczewski are being called "the greatest fighter ever" are they?

RwK

07-29-2005, 02:33 AM

At least you say annoying **** on purpose

Thats my style homeboy. I go for the cuticle.

-Antonio-

07-29-2005, 02:34 AM

neils7147933

07-29-2005, 02:37 AM

Somebody get this guy a card labeled "Correctamundo" and ****.
best I could do was a children's book cover: http://www.desertmuseum.org/books/images/press_correctamundo200.jpg

RwK

07-29-2005, 02:41 AM

best I could do was a children's book cover:

neils. Please tell Nick Stahl in your avatar to stop looking at the parrott on my shoulder. He seems to think he's "Repeating him" and stuff.

Winter

07-29-2005, 02:44 AM

I think the most overrated boxer ever is Mike Tyson. I always hear his fans and many people in the media say Mike Tyson is the toughest boxer. I have only started watching boxing very recently, and Tyson lost every fight since I have been watching boxing. I think he has too many loses and not enough victories against good opponents to be considered the toughest boxer. So, I think Mike tyson is the most overrated.

DiegoFuego

07-29-2005, 02:45 AM

I actually just saw a program the other day that claimed De La Hoya as the 15th most overrated ATHLETE ever. I dont think hes overrated though. His inactivety is what hurts him. One thing you can say about him is that he never ducked anyone. I do think he should have lost agaisnt whitaker, but he should have won against Tito and Mosley II.

He's not consistent enough to be ranked as high as boxing history has him. Not only is he inactive, he LOSES his biggest fights. And if you think he ecked out a victory in those, well, HE LET IT GET THAT CLOSE (like Trinidad for instance). He's never dominated a top ranked opponent and he picks and chooses. As for never ducking anyone, have you ever heard of Winky Wright? :confused:

tommyhearns804

07-29-2005, 06:41 AM

It has to be between Ali,Marciano,Tyson,or Joe Louis.People act like Ali was god.He couldn't lose.When in reality Norton beat him 3 times Frazier beat him and would of probaby beat him again if Frazier wasn't destroyed by Foreman.They will tell you that the only reason he lost to Norton or Frazier is because he was old.So i guess 30 is old now.Well just for Ali and Tyson.Ali had tons of flaws and that is the main reason he is the way he is today.Marciano's fans will never understand that Marciano wasn't a heavyweight.He didn't fight to many heavyweights but to them he is the savior of boxing.Tyson never fought anybody in their prime.He was knocked out more times then any other heavyweight besides Buster Douglas.Tyson never knocked out a world class fighter.When ever he loses his fans will have some excuse for him.Louis never fought anybody either.He piled up a impressive record fighting bums.The man had a weak chin.He was hurt by guys who were much smaller than him and couldn't punch.
Other fighers are overrated but non to the degree of the fighters i just name.

rudy

07-29-2005, 06:49 AM

Bernard Hopkins talks a great fight but produces boring fights everytime he does not deserve the bib paydays he gets

the last fight was terrible if Jermain did not attack what would have happend nothing

Pico Hollywood

07-29-2005, 07:34 AM

Joe louis, John Ruiz,Gatti

TheEvilSaint

07-29-2005, 08:15 AM

overrated today: roy jones.

overrated history: sugar ray leonard.

triggerhappy

07-29-2005, 08:53 AM

cotto and tito

elveiel

07-29-2005, 09:37 AM

overrated today: roy jones.

overrated history: sugar ray leonard.

I think leonard was overated, too many people thinking dancing around the ring is real fighting.

JohnThomas1

07-29-2005, 10:06 AM

Lets see most overrated of all time...hmmmm

No one has mentioned Tommy Hearns, Tommy was kind of like the Minnoesota Vikings or the Buffalo Bills, sure he was a very good fighter but he is made out to be a legend when the guy could never win the big one.

I love Tommy dont get me wrong but the guy simply put could not close the show, he had it all-every god damn tool in the book....except a chin-Tommy Hearns was Vikings and Bills...very good but looking back he gets a little to much crdit for coming up short.

Tommy is certainly not the most overrated fighter of all time but he never gets mentioned so I thought I would throw it in.

scap

For some reason people mainly remember Tommy's big two losses to Hagler and Ray. His fight against Benitez was huge at the time, Hearns was a 7/5 underdog and Benitez was considered in his prime at a weight most claimed was his best ever. Many were saying he was the man with the style to end Hagler's reign. This was a crossroads bout for Tommy as he was not long coming of his heartbreaking loss to Ray. Hearns broke his hand early but still beat Benitez solidy, pretty much with one hand truth be told.

Let's not forget his excellent performance in the second SRL fight, he won it truth be told.

Let's also go back to his amazing KO of Cuevas, a fighter barely anyone wanted to fight, big names included. His first title fight ever. A big fight? Surely.

Then we have a Duran coming off what most considered a great performance against Hagler. The two JM champs. A HUGE fight. Hearns killed him.

Another was a near washed up Tommy vs the supposedly great to be Hill. Hearns a 4/1 underdog before easing into 2 1/2 to 1 underdog by fight time. This is at light heavyweight. Supposed to be his Terry Norris. Hearns beat him. It was a big fight.

All the fights above are BIG fights but many seem to sweep them away and just want to talk of his losses.

Peace out

IwatchBoxing

Give me a break. Benitez was all downhill after the Hearns fight but was considered pretty much prime or still on the up at fight time with Tommy! After this bout his dedication was terrible. Gave Hearns all he could handle? Hearns WHUPPED him, with a broken hand to boot! ALSO, Benitez was awarded a knockdown that was a slip. ALSO, Hearns had a point deducted that was ridiculed by the experts. He still beat him, even after all that. How anyone could say Benitez won that fight is beyond me, jeez. Have you seen the fight??

Ali_is_the_greatest17

07-29-2005, 10:21 AM

The most overrated I think today is Roy Jones Jr.

But the most overrated used to be Mike Tyson.

Parodius

07-29-2005, 10:22 AM

Oscar De La Hoya is #1 in my list. This guy is the richest boxer in history. Nuff said!

Roberto Duran, is way overrated. Many Duran fans thinks that Duran would've beaten guys like PBF or Whitaker. This guy also beat many C+ & B- level boxers, he lost his first big fight & also lost to many of the greats. Sugar Ray, Hearns & Hagler when he moved up.

Julio Cesar Chavez, is another overrated guy, he got gift wins against Laporte & Medrick Taylor. Also his draw against Whitaker was a joke, Whitaker won like 10 rounds in that fight. Most of his early wins was against bunch of bums look at his great record. Just like Duran lost to the great fighters, but he also beat many C+ & B- level fighters.

Lennox Lewis is the most overrated Heavyweight boxer of all time. Beat a washed up Tyson & a washed up Holyfield, the way he boxed Holyfield was a joke. He didn't want brawl with Evander. Got knocked out twice with one punch. Fought many bums. Also got a gift win against a guy like Ray Mercer & he retired after he looked like **** against Vitali. This guy is considered one of the top 5 heavyweights of all time by the media.

Ali is considered by many to be the greatest boxer of all time, Ali was one of the top 2 heavyweights of all time, but noway he was the greatest boxer of all time. Sugar Ray Robinson was the greatest boxer of all time.

I can name many more, but that's enough for now.

moochi

07-29-2005, 10:26 AM

neils7147933

07-29-2005, 10:32 AM

neils. Please tell Nick Stahl in your avatar to stop looking at the parrott on my shoulder. He seems to think he's "Repeating him" and stuff.
I've got a new avatar

OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!

AintGottaClue

07-29-2005, 11:10 AM

the only reason i think lennox lewis is overrated is because peopel rank him waaaay to high, even at number 1, imo he can get 10 mayube 9 at best, he is in not way shape or form top 5, he is not better then Ali, Louis, Holms, Foreman, mike tyson should also be rated above lewis, he beat the people that lewis did to build his career before well lennox did and people still rate lewis above tyson.

Ali_is_the_greatest17

07-29-2005, 11:14 AM

Ali_is_the_greatest17

07-29-2005, 11:39 AM

I think leonard was overated, too many people thinking dancing around the ring is real fighting.

Well, the dancing in the ring worked for Ali....it also worked for Leonard in many fights as well.

jabsRstiff

07-29-2005, 11:45 AM

Ali_is_the_greatest17

07-29-2005, 11:47 AM

Mike Tyson.....& it's Mike Tyson by a mile.

He took on super hero-like status, while being incredibly flawed.
He's the biggest frontrunner in the history of the sport....the furthest thing from a warrior or a bad ass.

He could be spectacular....but was NEVER unbeatable.

Couldn't have said it better myself...people are saying hes the greatest and the toughest boxer ever...i dont think so. He was soooo overrated!

DiegoFuego

07-29-2005, 11:57 AM

If you say Lewis isn't a top 6 or 7 heavyweight ever

I say you're retarded

Ali_is_the_greatest17

07-29-2005, 11:59 AM

If you say Lewis isn't a top 6 or 7 heavyweight ever

I say you're retarded

Yea...for me he's gotta be in the top 10 at least.

He beat Holyfield and Tyson..

druth

07-29-2005, 12:49 PM

Mike Tyson by far.

-Antonio-

07-29-2005, 01:05 PM

My only grudge with Lewis is that he defeated Holyfield and Tyson when they were washed up. Its not his fault, but it hurts his legacy.

Jarlaxle

07-29-2005, 05:26 PM

Joe Louis and Chavez com to mind when this question is asked but I like both guys and I think with both of them Nationalism has a lot to do with it.

Shaolin Bushido

07-29-2005, 05:34 PM

EVER? Ruiz. He's widely lambasted but he also gets credit for his amateurish drunken boxing style.

He sucks. No credit for him using MMA in boxing matches.

Shaolin Bushido

07-29-2005, 05:35 PM

Joe Louis and Chavez com to mind when this question is asked but I like both guys and I think with both of them Nationalism has a lot to do with it.Joe Louis?

Shaolin Bushido

07-29-2005, 05:37 PM

Mike Tyson.....& it's Mike Tyson by a mile.

He took on super hero-like status, while being incredibly flawed.
He's the biggest frontrunner in the history of the sport....the furthest thing from a warrior or a bad ass.

He could be spectacular....but was NEVER unbeatable.If he'd been handled better ... controlled by mature, intelligent guys like the beginning of his career, no one would be saying this. It was later when he saw that he was only a commodity and attracted a bunch of yes men he didn't respect that he went buck wild and lost his discipline/focus.

Dirt E Gomez

07-29-2005, 05:40 PM

If if if.... if's don't matter. He lost, he went to prison, he lost some more, he bit somebody's ear.

Shaolin Bushido

07-29-2005, 05:41 PM

Joe Louis and Chavez com to mind In ten or twenty more years, they'll be saying this about Ali. :mad:

Shaolin Bushido

07-29-2005, 05:42 PM

If if if.... if's don't matter. He lost, he went to prison, he lost some more, he bit somebody's ear."IF's" do matter on threads like this. It's all about "if".

Dirt E Gomez

07-29-2005, 05:43 PM

Not really. Facts will always be more important than hearsay and guessing. Could Tyson have been the best heavyweight ever if he had kept training, not gone to prison, and not signed up with King? Maybe. But he didn't, so he isn't.

Shaolin Bushido

07-29-2005, 05:48 PM

Dirt E Gomez

07-29-2005, 05:49 PM

My point to that post that in the future, people wont look back at RJJ's boxing career and mention that Toney had been out of shape or that Hopkins was young. They will still talk about Ali being old and Tyson being washed up.

Shaolin Bushido

07-29-2005, 05:52 PM

Oh; I'll admit I didn't even see all that dialogue. My bad.

Ali_is_the_greatest17

07-29-2005, 06:01 PM

In ten or twenty more years, they'll be saying this about Ali. :mad:

People are already saying that about Ali.

Dirt E Gomez

07-29-2005, 06:04 PM

Ali_is_the_greatest17

07-29-2005, 06:14 PM

Calling Ali overated is ok when talking to basic sports fans or non-boxing fans. People think Ali was some god of boxing who was virtually unbeatable. Boxing experts will still say Ali is one of the best fighters of all time, as will most of us. We just aren't dumb enough to say he's impossible to beat.

It might not be impossible to beat him but it sure is tough to beat him... When you watch the Thrilla in Manilla and the Rumble in the Jungle, it looks like both of them are having a really, really hard time fighting Ali.

rice89

07-29-2005, 06:18 PM

Vitali the ***** Klitshko

Ali_is_the_greatest17

07-29-2005, 07:00 PM

Joe Louis and Chavez com to mind when this question is asked but I like both guys and I think with both of them Nationalism has a lot to do with it.

Joe Louis?? I dont think hes overrated. Hes one of the greatest boxers to ever box! I might be overrating him right now, heh.

sanjayint

07-29-2005, 07:06 PM

That girl in "Bad Intentions" avatar is OVER OVER RATED, WAY OFF THE SCALE!!!

{BrownBomber}

07-29-2005, 07:29 PM

Joe Louis?? I dont think hes overrated. Hes one of the greatest boxers to ever box! I might be overrating him right now, heh.
I really think that rock was thrown in my direction. the guy picks joe louis and chaves.

Easy-E

07-29-2005, 07:33 PM

Joe Louis?? I dont think hes overrated. Hes one of the greatest boxers to ever box! I might be overrating him right now, heh.

he is saying that they may be overrated because of what they did for the sport of boxing. you say that he is one of the greatest boxers ever, yet have probably not seen one, or at least many, of his fights.
theres nothing wrong with that, it just supports his claim that he may be "overrated"

Ali_is_the_greatest17

07-30-2005, 06:23 PM

run_for_your_effing_life

07-30-2005, 07:41 PM

I'm surprised no one said prince hamed.....He went out like a *****

run_for_your_effing_life

07-30-2005, 07:42 PM

And ricky hatton is overated if you ask me

Jarlaxle

07-30-2005, 07:59 PM

he is saying that they may be overrated because of what they did for the sport of boxing. you say that he is one of the greatest boxers ever, yet have probably not seen one, or at least many, of his fights.
theres nothing wrong with that, it just supports his claim that he may be "overrated"

I have seen a bunch of Louis fights. My dad is a big Joe Louis fan. I have read Joe Louis's book, I love the guy. I just think his comp was weak. They were known as the bum of the month club. He also had trouble with some guys other fighters who many rank lower then him would dominate.

TKODoll

07-30-2005, 08:04 PM

Mike Tyson.

JUYJUY

07-30-2005, 08:07 PM

Most under-rated - Mike Tyson by miles

Most over-rated - Roy Jones by miles

Stealthic

07-30-2005, 08:25 PM

Most under-rated - Mike Tyson by miles

What the **** planet are you living on?

JUYJUY

07-30-2005, 08:39 PM

What the **** planet are you living on?
Earth, but I don't know about you. I judge a fighter on his actual physical ability rather than things he said or bad things he did. Around 86-87, he was the closest thing to invincible that we've ever seen in a boxing ring and if you can't see that then you must be a retard.

wmute

07-30-2005, 08:51 PM

tito and tyson

Easy-E

07-30-2005, 09:09 PM

Earth, but I don't know about you. I judge a fighter on his actual physical ability rather than things he said or bad things he did. Around 86-87, he was the closest thing to invincible that we've ever seen in a boxing ring and if you can't see that then you must be a retard.

hahah, that is comical
I judge a boxer on physical ability rather that things he did. (like winning and losing) you said it yourself, for TWO YEARS he was invincible, after that, he went way downhill. you judge a boxer on what he did in the ring, wins, losses and the way they win, not on potential and physical capabilities

Stealthic

07-30-2005, 11:54 PM

Earth, but I don't know about you. I judge a fighter on his actual physical ability rather than things he said or bad things he did. Around 86-87, he was the closest thing to invincible that we've ever seen in a boxing ring and if you can't see that then you must be a retard.

Oh no I have a different view of something, I must be RETARDED!! :eek:

How the hell can you judge a fighter on his physical ability as opposed to how they actually used that ability?

What seperates Mike from the rest of the greats is his heart. He never once showed the ability to come back after being behind in a fight. He never once came back after being knocked down. When he was losing, he started resorting to some of the most disgraceful tactics in boxing history. Whenever his heart was tested, Mike ****ing folded.

tommyhearns804

07-31-2005, 07:25 AM

Tyson looked great against bums.WOW big freaking deal.Did Tyson ever beat a world class fighter?Nope did Tyson ever beat a hall of famer?Nope..So beating 3rd tier bums makes you a all time great?Cute so alot of fighters are great then.Jeremy Williams looks great when fighting bums but gets his azz knocked out just like Tyson when he fights a decent fighter.
And thanks JarlAxe at least you can see Joe Louis was overrated.They didnt call the fighters he fought bum of the month because they were great.He piled up a impressive record fight low level fighters.If Louis had to fight the Foremans Frazier Nortons or guys from the 90's and beyond like Bowe,Lewis,Tua,Ibeabuchi the man would of never became champion.

Parodius

07-31-2005, 07:29 AM

JUYJUY

07-31-2005, 08:45 AM

Since when have Pinklon Thomas and Tony Tubbs been bums? They were World Champions for YEARS. Tyson aside, an undefeated TNT Tucker at his best is the best Heavyweight since Ali and Holmes, people forget just how awesome Tucker was and that he was the favourite in the Tyson fight. Pinklon had skills to boot and Tubbs had so much potential, you really do not know your boxing.

JUYJUY

07-31-2005, 08:50 AM

Nobody even landed cleanly on a Catskills Tyson, ever, it wasn't until he left the Catskills after the Spinks fight that he even got caught properly with a punch. I think you people need your heads and eyes tested.

tommyhearns804

07-31-2005, 12:01 PM

JuyJuy you seem like a nice little child but you know nothing about boxing.Foreman was never really hit until he got hit by Ali a legend.Foreman never lost until he lost to Ali a legend.Ali never lost until he lost to Frazier a legend.Frazer never lost until he lost to Foreman.Thomas or Tubbs couldnt carry Ali Foreman Norton or Frazier jock strap it they both tried together.Tucker was a bum.If you let a woman beating rapist beat you then you are a bum.
And you prove my point.Tyson fans are the worse.You always have excuses for the boy.He never beat a world class fighter.He wasnt capable of beating a world class fighter.Tyson was built up because the sport needed another superstar.Foreman Ali and the guys from the 70's were gone.Holmes was boring as hell and nobody liked him.Tyson just came along at the right time.He beat some garbage fighters and now you fans of his can't get him out your azz.He is overrated.He was and will never be anything more than a rapist coward. :p

SonnyG8R

07-31-2005, 12:05 PM

Most under-rated - Mike Tyson by miles

Most over-rated - Roy Jones by miles

dumbest poster - JUYJUY by miles

I agree with what Gringo said. Almost any fighter can be considered overrated. Lewis and Tyson are overrated by people who claim they were the best heavyweights ever.

RJJ is overrated by those who call him the best p4p ever.

Ali_is_the_greatest17

08-02-2005, 12:36 PM

DiegoFuego

08-02-2005, 01:07 PM

Because I didn't follow boxing until this year, I can't say that Lennox was not a top five HW? Joe Louis, Ali, Foreman, Fraizer, Holmes, there's five right there who were better than Lennox was. He's hardly top five, top ten, maybe, but that's a stretch, top 15 is pretty decent to give him, and top 20 is a must. He fought in such a weak era of HW. Evander was old, and pretty much shot when they fought, Tyson was post-jail, and everyone knows that post-jail Tyson was not the same Tyson of the 80's. McCall a really notable name? Rahman? Mercer? Mercer was good, but beating him can't be all that hard, he has double-digit losses, not to mention how old he was then. Golota is a no-heart bum. Tua? Tua's a ****ing joke. Grant was a good prospect, but he was rushed ahead way too early, and was an INCREDIBLY easy win for Lennox. The man will never be a hall of famer. The fact is Lennox fought two way past their prime hall of famers in Tyson and Evander, and that's it. You're a joke.

this is your first year following boxing? OH MY GOD! remind me never to read any of your posts again, BadMagick, lol

DiegoFuego

08-02-2005, 01:09 PM

it's still De La Hoya. I don't think any of you have given a better example yet

Masta_Arena

08-02-2005, 01:21 PM

uuhh..i think the most overated boxer would be ..um...Lennox lewis that digga dint fight anyone good

Ali_is_the_greatest17

08-02-2005, 01:25 PM

uuhh..i think the most overated boxer would be ..um...Lennox lewis that digga dint fight anyone good

Yea he did...he fought Tyson and Holyfield and beat them both...Why do alot of you guys think Lennox is overrated.

Easy-E

08-02-2005, 02:02 PM

he beat a washed up mike and a declining holyfield in their rematch...nothing special

Gonzalo

08-02-2005, 02:49 PM

I have to say Pacquiao is the most over rated fighter today. Ali is also over rated.

Gonzalo

08-02-2005, 02:51 PM

Don't pay attention to DiegoFuego that guy is a fukin idiot.

Easy-E

08-02-2005, 02:58 PM

jose luis castillo is NOT the true champ and i think you dislike diego because his boy beat your boy

i cant wait for the rematch

Gonzalo

08-02-2005, 03:02 PM

jose luis castillo is NOT the true champ and i think you dislike diego because his boy beat your boy

i cant wait for the rematch

Hell no Castillo was robbed, Tony Weeks took the fight from Castillo and gave it to Corrales.

Castillo will prove it in the rematch. U Just Watch

theironone

08-02-2005, 03:04 PM

Jose Luis Castillo is the true Champion and will have his way with Diego Corrales in a rematch.

Of course he will, just like the first time, it was a piece of piss for him til the ref 'gave' it to corrales

elveiel

08-02-2005, 03:07 PM

I feel sorry for Catsillo, it was cheating by Corrales but you cant blame. Hopefuly Castillo will win the rematch.

Easy-E

08-02-2005, 03:09 PM

Hell no Castillo was robbed, Tony Weeks took the fight from Castillo and gave it to Corrales.

Castillo will prove it in the rematch. U Just Watch

nah he wasnt robbed, the ref stopped him from serious injury
i didnt think the fight should have been stopped until i saw the replay, but i dont really want to get into this debate again.

BK Saddizzle

06-09-2006, 04:53 PM

Chris Byrd, Glen Johnson, Roy Jones, Wladimir Klitchko(his brothers REAL), I thought Lennox Lewis was but his record now speaks for itself (although his fight against Vitali leaves some doubt). I can't think of anymore right now that I thinks overrated, Now Can U Dig Dat!!!!! :boxing:

ROSEWOOD

06-09-2006, 05:10 PM

I'm not saying this to be an *******, i genuinely believe Ali is and was the most overated fighter ever.
no you are not an ******* but you are damn close...Ali is the Greatest...dont forget it playa..But Zab is by far the most overrated boxer today..as for ever, I'll get back on that one...

Built 2 Last

06-09-2006, 05:18 PM

rocky hatton...antonio tarver

SquareCircle

06-09-2006, 05:38 PM

mike tyson is the most overrated fighter imo...He went from 'baddest man on the planet' in his prime to getting beaten by a guy who was smashed by the other good/great fighters of his era within just a few rounds less than a year after douglas beat tyson.

zab isnt really overrated..it's well known that he isn't really a 'solid' elite fighter,but he has his moments, namely, when he takes the time to prepare himself.

ROSEWOOD

06-09-2006, 05:40 PM

mike tyson

zab isnt really overrated..it's well known that he isn't really a 'solid' elite fighter,but he has his moments, namely, when he takes the time to prepare himself.
????come on man..Tyson ruled his division for a long time...give me another pick...

SquareCircle

06-09-2006, 05:44 PM

????come on man..Tyson ruled his division for a long time...give me another pick...

a long time?

3 years would be a long time to rule his division if he had fought more often in that time frame

but he had like 6-7 fights (none against guys in their prime btw) within a 3 year timespan, starting from when he beat Smith..Then he ducked a 40 year old George Foreman like a hoe...but w/e, if you wanna respect that kinda guy then be my guest.

ROSEWOOD

06-09-2006, 05:49 PM

a long time?

3 years would be a long time to rule his division if he had fought more often in that time frame

but he had like 6-7 fights (none against guys in their prime btw) within a 3 year timespan, starting from when he beat Smith..Then he ducked a 40 year old George Foreman like a hoe...but w/e, if you wanna respect that kinda guy then be my guest.
he fought what the division had to offer him...it wasnt his fought...but hey it is your opinion and i respect that...peace

SquareCircle

06-09-2006, 05:52 PM

no you are not an ******* but you are damn close...Ali is the Greatest...dont forget it playa..But Zab is by far the most overrated boxer today..as for ever, I'll get back on that one...

I just don't see how people can call Ali overrated, the beating he took from George that night and to still come out the victor, and by knockout...a true fan would bow and respect that.

I think Bruce Lee is the most overrated 'fighter' (i quote that because he never fought a single match in his life)

people love to compare Lee to guys like he'd actually have a chance and what's crazy is one time on this forum, a Lee vs Ali thread was made and like 90 people picked Bruce Lee to win..I'm not trying to say the board is full of dumbasses but maybe alot of kids browse it or something, who knows.

SquareCircle

06-09-2006, 05:53 PM

he fought what the division had to offer him...it wasnt his fought...but hey it is your opinion and i respect that...peace

king sat down with mike after his loss to douglas and explained to him that he needed another big name to get him back into circulation,Foreman was coming back into the picture around this time and every time Foreman would have a big win he'd call out Mike on the mic, as soon as king mentioned Foreman, he yelled at king and declined the fight out of fear for his life, true story. I'll prolly get -karma for this from a bunch of tyson fans but its really the truth,and im not a karma whore, I say what I'm thinking not what people wanna hear.

Truth is Mike ducked the biggest fight of his life,the fight the public wanted, which was Tyson vs Foreman, a 40 year old Foreman, at that. Tyson was 22 or 23 when this happened. He was afraid of a 40 year old man.

Derranged

06-09-2006, 07:17 PM