View Full Version : Are doing pull-ups slowly better or is faster better?


starkiller
09-06-2010, 11:00 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Marine_Pull-ups.jpg


I always see people doing them fast as hell and getting high-reps, and I feel that is cheating the muscles. What I do is doing them slowly and get like 8-10 reps. Now, i want to know if I do them right or wrong. Is there a reason why some people feel the need to do them super-fast and get high reps that way? Does it work the muscle out differently?

FeFist
09-06-2010, 11:37 PM
I think if you do them faster it builds explosiveness. Doing it slowly would build up endurance as you're maintaining your weight for a longer period of time. Like jogging vs sprinting.

Mikhnienko
09-06-2010, 11:55 PM
Another thing is to make sure that you get full extension. With pull ups and curls alot of people won't.

mushahadeen
09-07-2010, 12:03 AM
well slower is a hell of a lot harder so.

paulsinghnl
09-07-2010, 06:35 AM
slower increases power, faster increases the fast twitch muscles. i would suggest going slow though, because for boxing, building power during pullups, you'll build speed by shadowboxing anyway.

hugh grant
09-07-2010, 07:37 AM
If i do them slowly i can barely do one rep. If i do them fast i can knock out 10.

Im not too sure about this fast twitch talk with this type of exercise for boxing.

led
09-07-2010, 07:49 AM
safest thing to do, is do them both. you can alternate your set bet. fast and slow, or do past pull ups today, then slow the next day. also try doing fast pull ups while your legs are vertical or bent, for more difficulty.

this is what i do: i also change from pull ups to chin ups set after set. important is you keep your muscles guessing. also be sure that you are doing the right pull ups, if not, that is cheating.

Clegg
09-07-2010, 10:43 AM
I think it's important to go slow on the way down. Otherwise people tend to just let themselves drop for half a second rather than using their strength to lower themselves in a controlled manner, and so they don't get as good of a workout. Same thing is true for bench pressing, dips, press-ups etc.

Not sure about on the way up though. I suppose I go medium-slow, I don't go fast due to not wanting to make mistakes or use momentum rather than strength, like how you see some people almost swinging their body to help themselves. Not everyone that goes fast does that, of course.

SplitSecond
09-07-2010, 12:20 PM
you're gonna end up going slow in the end anyway

Righthandbanger
09-10-2010, 01:47 PM
slower increases power, faster increases the fast twitch muscles. i would suggest going slow though, because for boxing, building power during pullups, you'll build speed by shadowboxing anyway.

This is so wrong.

you know power is a combination of strength AND speed right?

Slower is for bodybuilding really, by which I mean the focus is sarcoplasmic hypertrophy instead of strength.

fast reps, if they have a full ROM, are infinitely better, especially for boxing. You will increase strength and explosiveness.

more fast reps > less slow ones

Pony Boy
09-10-2010, 06:41 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Marine_Pull-ups.jpg


I always see people doing them fast as hell and getting high-reps, and I feel that is cheating the muscles. What I do is doing them slowly and get like 8-10 reps. Now, i want to know if I do them right or wrong. Is there a reason why some people feel the need to do them super-fast and get high reps that way? Does it work the muscle out differently?

If you want to build muscle mass, then do your pull-ups slow, specially on the negative or coming down without fully extending your arm where the elbows lock. The reason this builds more muscle is because the slower you pull yourself up and bring yourself down, the more stress you put on your muscles. Fast reps will create explosive power. Pull-ups will not increase your range of motion. This is done with stretching and exercises like shadow boxing. :boxing:

BoxerXL
09-11-2010, 03:46 PM
Fast upwards, slow downwards. Thats the hardest, if you go fast downward then it's just the gravity doing the hard work

Frighteous
09-14-2010, 05:17 PM
faster is always better because it builds your fast twitch muscle fibres. lifting any weight slow, no matter how heavy, is nothing but bad for a boxer. it forms soft, large, fatty muscle if you lift slow....forget the strength gains and go after lifting fast weights,

google jeff fenech arm shoulder

check out his youtube vid

you don't need to do pullups

just focus on that exercise and jumping rope and your body will become a tank

Righthandbanger
09-15-2010, 03:51 AM
wow. some people on this internetz is retards

Bring It On
09-15-2010, 05:08 AM
Perform the concentric phase as explosive/fast as you possibly can without losing proper form. The eccentric phase should be slower and more controlled.

Spartacus Sully
09-15-2010, 05:34 AM
Perform the concentric phase as explosive/fast as you possibly can without losing proper form. The eccentric phase should be slower and more controlled.

Ding Ding Ding

and he actually uses concentric and eccentric.

think of your muscle as a spring when you use it normally. if you just make the spring wire bigger its going to be heavier its going to be slower its going to be less efficient at transfering potential energy but able to hold more weight.

theres really no need to work your muscles like this for boxing.

now lets say your muscles made up of not just one spring but thousands of springs, by doing the concetric portion as fast as possiable your forcing your body to use the sheer number of springs to do the pull up instead of over all strength teaching you to use more of your muscle fibers instead of makign the fibers bigger.

which is useful for boxing.

then we have the negative or eccentric motion which does all kinds of things. a muscle can actually hold about 3 times more eccentricly then concentricly. like when you pick up something way to heavy for you your still able to put it down in a controlled manner. the act of trying to perform a concentric motion but the load is so great that it still forces the muscles to stretch.

essiantly the muscle is used as a shock absorber instead of as a spring. by doing the negatives slowly you emphasise the load and increase how efficiently you work the mucles eccentricly. now what workign the muscle eccentrictly does alot of is muscle hyper playsia. the extreme load that the muscles arnt used to cause the fibers to tear and in some cases the body will sent out satalite cells which are like stem cells and these satalite cells bond with the 2 parts of the torn muscle fibers to create 2 new muscle fibers where there was only one. this act increase the density of the muscle along with the extreme load tempering the fibers them selfs to allow for greater stress.

and so the increased resistance to tearing, and the increased muscle fibers from the eccentrict contractions reflect in your concentric contractions causing the the springs that are your muscles to be denser springier more tought and firm working faster and transfering potential energy much more efficiently.

Righthandbanger
09-15-2010, 07:15 AM
Ding Ding Ding

and he actually uses concentric and eccentric.

think of your muscle as a spring when you use it normally. if you just make the spring wire bigger its going to be heavier its going to be slower its going to be less efficient at transfering potential energy but able to hold more weight.

theres really no need to work your muscles like this for boxing.

now lets say your muscles made up of not just one spring but thousands of springs, by doing the concetric portion as fast as possiable your forcing your body to use the sheer number of springs to do the pull up instead of over all strength teaching you to use more of your muscle fibers instead of makign the fibers bigger.

which is useful for boxing.



This analogy is retarded.

There is ALWAYS use for strength in ANY sport that involves the slightest modicum of athleticism.

Strength is about neuromuscular coordination. It does not require large muscles as strength is essentially muscle memory.. of course over time there will be muscle growth but this does not change the facts.

what you refer to about making muscles bigger and slower is BODYBUILDING.

what you refer to when you mention the 'thousands of springs' is MOMENTUM and POWER.

Look at Olympic Weightlifters. They are definitely not slow and yet they are incredibly strong.

one of these ****ing days people will stop being so ignorant about weights in boxing.

Spartacus Sully
09-15-2010, 07:24 AM
This analogy is retarded.

There is ALWAYS use for strength in ANY sport that involves the slightest modicum of athleticism.

Strength is about neuromuscular coordination. It does not require large muscles as strength is essentially muscle memory.. of course over time there will be muscle growth but this does not change the facts.

what you refer to about making muscles bigger and slower is BODYBUILDING.

what you refer to when you mention the 'thousands of springs' is MOMENTUM and POWER.

Look at Olympic Weightlifters. They are definitely not slow and yet they are incredibly strong.

one of these ****ing days people will stop being so ignorant about weights in boxing.


your an idiot and have no idea what your talking about.

if you just make the spring wire bigger its going to be heavier its going to be slower its going to be less efficient at transfering potential energy but able to hold more weight.

theres really no need to work your muscles like this for boxing.

where was i talking about not needing strength? where did i say anything that would lead one to think i wasnt talking about body building?

by doing the concetric portion as fast as possiable your forcing your body to use the sheer number of springs to do the pull up instead of over all strength teaching you to use more of your muscle fibers instead of makign the fibers bigger.

momentum? power? no. neuromuscular coordination!!!!!!!

paving a pathway between your brain and the muscle fibers causing more of them to activate as well as increase the neuro excitement with in the muscle!!!!! thusly increaseing strength with out hypertrophy!!!!

and olympic weigh lifters slow? of course not but then you would have to sho that alll olympic weight lifters do their concentric motions slow as syrup to make any kind of point as im simply stating that slow concentric contractions are worthless.

in fact your really agreeing with me through the entire post aside from the power and momentum part and then you go and call me ignorrant.

and beyond that there is clearly a point in just about every sport when strength goes beyond what is needed and becomes inefficent, and in a sport soley based around impacts and not pushing all that matters is having enough strength to raise your hands and move your legs.

if all this is too much for you to understand perhaps you should ask me to elaborate instead of calling me ignorant again.

and even body building has its uses. if you find your self repeatly in pain in your front deltoid then you can isolate that muscle build it up with useless hypertropy in a week or 2 then go back to boxing with a stronger shoulder that wont injure and after about a month of just boxing it should be converted in to good boxing muscle.

Righthandbanger
09-15-2010, 09:43 AM
where was i talking about not needing strength? where did i say anything that would lead one to think i wasnt talking about body building?

here. if you just make the spring wire bigger its going to be heavier its going to be slower its going to be less efficient at transfering potential energy but able to hold more weight.

theres really no need to work your muscles like this for boxing.



and beyond that there is clearly a point in just about every sport when strength goes beyond what is needed and becomes inefficent, and in a sport soley based around impacts and not pushing all that matters is having enough strength to raise your hands and move your legs.

nope, wrong again. You can never be too strong to the point of being inefficient. The only way in which you could be inefficient via strength training is if you neglect your other training in order to train strength, which is in itself a retarded notion.

oh and just so you know, if you know how to hit properly, adding strength will increase your punching power, so yes strength is important. Nobody said anything about pushing but core and leg/shoulder/back strength is vital for having significant punching power.

and even body building has its uses. if you find your self repeatly in pain in your front deltoid then you can isolate that muscle build it up with useless hypertropy in a week or 2 then go back to boxing with a stronger shoulder that wont injure and after about a month of just boxing it should be converted in to good boxing muscle.

nono. how can adding mass to an area be more beneficial than adding strength? strengthening the shoulder is a much better way to aid recovery and/or prevent injury.

tbh the more you say the more apparent it is the less you know.

Spartacus Sully
09-15-2010, 10:14 AM
tbh the more you say the more apparent it is how little you know.

fixed it for ya.

dannnnn
09-15-2010, 03:05 PM
Why the hell are you resorting to jibes about his grammar when your posts are far worse in that regard?

Oh and just so you know; "you are" is "you're", not "your".

starkiller
09-15-2010, 04:00 PM
What the **** happened to my topic? :rofl: