Was anything ever mentioned about why Wladimir Klitschko collapsed in the ring against Brewster? I have never seen that happen and i have seen hundreds of fights. he looked exhausted, pale and sick. It couldnt have been his conditioning because I saw him throw nonstop against ray mercer. Sorry if this has been covered already, im a new member. Thanks. :D

Tension.....& the fact that he's a frontrunner.
If things aren't going his way, he unravels.

we have to be serious about this, i know i could ko him if i gave him a cum shot right on his weak ass jaw but the dumb bastard did look druged.

Have you ever seen a scared person ? How about a terribly exhausted one ?

They look sickly, too.

The dude was ****ting his pants because the foe didn't cooperate.

I have never seen such excuses for a fighter's performance. Let's not forget this guy was absolutely pulverized by Sanders, prior to that.
He's obviously just not that good.

eeeehhhhhhhhh....i dont like the guy but its hard for me to agree that he was like that just cause he was scared or tired. who knows what happend.

eeeehhhhhhhhh....i dont like the guy but its hard for me to agree that he was like that just cause he was scared or tired. who knows what happend.


Well....you're gonna get to see that look again, once he steps back up.

Let's hope his handlers are alert enough to keep him from being poisoned witht that perfectly-timed poison that was used the last time.

i wont be watching his ass, ill be glued to tito and mayorga.
i see alot of your points about this situation but it was all just to odd and crazy to be certain of anything. peace out

i wont be watching his ass, ill be glued to tito and mayorga.
i see alot of your points about this situation but it was all just to odd and crazy to be certain of anything. peace out

I will be AT Tito-Mayorga !

holy ****! i envy you man, its gonna be a great fight to be at live.

it was all about the vaseline and the missing water bottle

it was all about the vaseline and the missing water bottle

As it is at gyms with a large homosexual clientele.

Im just waiting for some prick to say Vlad had been drugged again, rofl fukin repressed.

Thanks guys. Something was odd no matter what it was. Cant wait for TitoVSMayorga. I got a friend taping the showtime tripleheader, they are some good looking fights, but i wouldnt miss guaranteed fireworks.

As it is at gyms with a large homosexual clientele.
maybe they should change to K-Y jelly,lol

Wlad was poisoned by the bigots!

Either way there has to be some other factor besides pure exhaustion. Have you seen the Purrity fight? Wlad looked no where near as bad physically during that fight, and it was 11 rounds, and he was taking way more punishment from Puritty than he took from Brewster.

Here's the juicy allegations from Wlad's attorney (part 1)

VIA FAX & FEDERAL EXPRESS

Daniel G. Bogden, Esq.

United States Attorney
District of Nevada
333 Las Vegas Boulevard South
Suite 5000
Las Vegas, Nevada 89101

Re: Wladimir Klitschko

Dear Mr. Bogden:

I am an attorney representing Wladimir Klitschko, a professional boxer fighting as a heavyweight. I am writing to respectfully request that your office conduct an investigation into the highly suspicious events surrounding Mr. Klitschko’s April 10, 2004 Las Vegas bout against Lamon Brewster, and the equally suspicious frustration of Mr. Klitschko’s subsequent efforts to ascertain whether or not he had been illicitly drugged or poisoned prior to or during the bout with Mr. Brewster.

As explained below, we are not leveling accusations against anyone in particular, and only seek an investigation to learn the truth and, if appropriate, punish the guilty. As evidenced by this week’s guilty plea in your District by Robert Mittelman to charges that he fixed fights and then unsuccessfully sought to bribe both a federal judge in your District and an Assistant United States Attorney in your Office, it is regrettably all too possible that someone sought to illegally influence the outcome of the Klitschko/Brewster bout. We believe that the facts of record to date more than justify a full investigation by your Office.

THE EVENTS PRIOR TO THE KLITSCHKO/BREWSTER BOUT

Before turning to what occurred during the bout, we first turn to a number of events that preceded the bout – events which, when viewed in connection with the events that followed, give off a strong odor of corruption.

First, as reported by Dean Juipe in the April 19, 2004 Las Vegas Sun, the odds on the bout posted by both Mandalay Bay and Pinnacle, leading offshore sports books, plummeted from 11-1 in Mr. Klitschko’s favor to just 3.5-1 by fight time. As Mr. Juipe pointed out, this “could only happen if there was a huge influx of money wagered on [Mr. Brewster.]” The question, of course, is why? To be sure, odds change in the days and hours before a fight, but experience shows that it is virtually unheard of for them to change so dramatically in such a short period of time.

Your investigation will reveal that Mr. Brewster was understandably a heavy underdog and that nothing in the public domain gave any cause for such a drastic change in the betting line. On the other hand, if a drugging of Mr. Klitschko was planned in advance, that fact would easily explain why there was so much “late money” bet on Mr. Brewster.

In this regard, it should be noted that identifying unusual changes in the odds has been an effective weapon in ferreting out the fixing of sporting events. As reported on March 31, 2002 by Edward Epstein of the San Francisco Chronicle: “The [gaming] industry also claims that Nevada casinos have tipped off the FBI to a few college basketball point-shaving scandals over the past several years by looking for unusual betting patterns on games.” Further, a key ground for the general consensus that the March 1999 draw in the Lennox Lewis/Evander Holyfield bout was the product of corrupt judging, was the fact that the odds on that fight went from 11-5 in Lewis’s favor to “pick ‘em” by the time of the fight. Of course, the swift change in the odds on the Klitschko/Brewster fight were far more dramatic and therefore much more indicative of foul play.

Second, there was a very suspicious incident concerning fight credentials. As you may know, certain credentials for a fight – such as the ones that give a person access to all areas of the arena on fight night – are highly prized and limited. For that reason and also, more importantly, because of security concerns, such credentials are released to an individual only if he or she is on a credentials list and he or she provides photo identification. Notwithstanding these procedures, when a member of the Klitschko team went to pick up his credential prior to the bout, he was told that it had already been picked up. When the team member asked for more information, it became clear that someone had picked up the credential by falsely claiming to be the team member. Given the requirement of photo identification, this error should not have been possible. Yet, it happened, thereby creating a situation where an unidentified person secured an all-access pass through fraud, thus providing himself unfettered access to the arena. While this scenario may seem outlandish, is it any more outlandish than Mr. Mittleman offering a judge and prosecutor in this District $15,000 to fix a case? Is it more outlandish that, in 1919, Arnold Rothstein bribed eight members of the Chicago White Sox so that they would throw the World Series?

In sum, before the Klitschko/Brewster bout even began, there were strong indications – in the form of extreme volatility in the betting line and fraud in the securing of an all-access credential – that some mischief was afoot. Those indications ripened with what transpired next.

THE KLITSCHKO/BREWSTER BOUT

As both Mr. Klitschko and his entire team, including Hall of Fame trainer Emmanuel Steward, will attest, Mr. Klitschko was in extraordinary physical condition for the bout. Indeed, according to Mr. Klitschko, he had never trained so well or come into a bout so well-conditioned. Significantly, he had never shown himself to be a fighter who lacked conditioning or stamina. Thus, what happened on April 10 is wholly inconsistent with Mr. Klitschko’s career. To be sure, he has been knocked out before, but never under circumstances such as those that prevailed on April 10. One need only review the tape of the bout in order to have serious concerns as to whether he was drugged or poisoned – especially in light of the events both before and after the bout.

Inexplicably, beginning in or about the second round, and prior to having been hit with any significant punches, Mr. Klitschko exhibited and experienced a rapid loss of energy, coherence and equilibrium. This fact was noted and is corroborated by the personal observations of his corner-men, who uniformly characterized his condition as something they had not seen previously in their long careers. They noted that he appeared to collapse during the bout, not from the effects of any blows, but rather from some other unknown cause. They also pointed out that Mr. Klitschko lacked the recuperative powers he had shown in all of his past fights, which he should have had in light of training and conditioning. These observations are consistent with publicly reported statements of Referee Robert Byrd, a very experienced official, who, in April 11, 2004's USA Today, stated: “I tried to get a response out of him but there was none. I've never stopped a fight like that." Similarly, in Mr. Juipe’s April 19, 2004 Las Vegas Sun article, an employee of the Palms Casino explained why there was no betting line available on the then-upcoming April 24, 2004 bout between Vitali Klitschko and Corrie Sanders: “It’s because the other Klitschko [Wladimir] looked like he was poisoned or something in the fight with Brewster.” (Emphasis supplied)

Further evidencing foul play is the fact that Mr. Klitschko's condition after the April 10 fight cannot be reconciled with the recuperative powers demonstrated after his defeat by Corrie Sanders in March 2003. Mr. Klitschko also lost the Sanders bout by knockout. A review of that fight shows that Mr. Klitschko was knocked out fair and square by Mr. Sanders’s very visible and powerful blows. Significantly, if one reviews the tapes of both the Sanders and the Brewster fights, it is clear that Mr. Klitschko was hit much harder by Mr. Sanders than by Mr. Brewster. Within the boxing community Mr. Sanders is widely considered one the hardest punchers, far more dangerous than Mr. Brewster. Yet, within minutes of being knocked out by Mr. Sanders, Mr. Klitschko participated in post-fight interviews, in which he coherently communicated in several different languages. In contrast, following the stoppage in Las Vegas on April 10, observers reported that, despite being conscious, Mr. Klitschko's pupils appeared dilated, he was unable to communicate and he was unable to lift his head to respond to inquiries made by the attending physicians. This condition lasted for some time. Mr. Klitschko has also confirmed that his head was completely clear after the Brewster fight was stopped; yet he could not speak or move his body with ease It is also important to note that Mr. Klitschko’s blood sugar level after the fight was 230 -- almost twice the normal level. Medical experts have confirmed to the Klitschko team that such an elevated count may well indicate that Mr. Klitschko was given a foreign substance.

In sum, the events that transpired at the actual bout also raise serious concerns about whether Mr. Klitschko’s performance was impeded by some hidden substance.

(part 2, conclusion)

THE FRUSTRATION OF MR. KLITSCHKO’S EFFORTS TO LEARN THE TRUTH

Following the bout, Mr. Klitschko expressed his strong view that he had been poisoned or drugged, or that he had some undetected medical condition. Mr. Klitschko’s team concurred in that assessment based upon Mr. Klitschko’s performance. At that time, no one on Mr. Klitschko’s team knew about the changes in the betting line.

Out of concern for Mr. Klitschko, he was taken to the University Medical Center of Southern Nevada (“UMC”) after the bout. At that time, blood and urine samples were taken from Mr. Klitschko.

On April 11, the next day, in order to ensure that he would have an opportunity to ascertain the truth, Mr. Klitschko arranged for additional blood and urine samples to be taken at Quest Diagnostics (“Quest’). Mr. Klitschko’s team made it emphatically clear that they wanted the blood and urine specimens preserved so that they could be tested by an independent doctor of Mr. Klitschko’s choosing.

On April 14, 2004, both UMC and Quest were sent appropriate medical authorizations, signed by Mr. Klitschko, requesting that his medical records, including his blood and urine specimens, be sent to noted physician, Dr. Robert Voy. Dr. Voy is a former physician for the Nevada State Athletic Commission and the former President of USA Boxing, the body that governs amateur and Olympic boxing in the United States. Further, over the next ten days, representatives of Mr. Klitschko left numerous messages at Quest and UMC reinforcing the requests for the blood and urine specimens.

Significantly, on information and belief, Quest has a policy of retaining blood and urine specimens for seven (7) days after testing, and UMC has a policy of retaining blood specimens for ten (10) days after testing. Hence, according to Quest and UMC policies, all of the blood and urine samples were in existence on April 14, when Quest and UMC received the medical authorization forms signed by Mr. Klitschko. Similarly, according to those same policies, the blood and urine should have been retained by Quest until April 18, and the blood should have been retained by UMC until April 20. As noted, during the period between April 14 and April 20, there were numerous communications between Mr. Klitschko’s representatives and both Quest and UMC requesting that the blood and urine specimens be preserved and sent to Dr. Voy.

Incredibly, though, all of the specimens, with the exception of one milliliter of urine (too small an amount to permit meaningful testing), had been destroyed by UMC and Quest. To date, no rational explanation has been presented for this failure to deliver the specimens which UMC and Quest had in their possession at the time Mr. Klitschko requested that they be transferred to Dr. Voy. Of course, there are a number of possible explanations, some innocent, for what occurred. However, one of those possible explanations – and an eminently reasonable one – is that those specimens were destroyed in order to hide the truth of what happened to Mr. Klitschko.

In this regard, we also note that, on April 26, 2004, Mr. Klitschko was given a complete physical examination by Dr. Stuart Friedman of Los Angeles, who is associated with Cedar Sinai Hospital. Mr. Klitschko was found to be in perfect health. Hence, if there was something physically wrong with Mr. Klitschko on April 10, it was not caused by any chronic condition.

CONCLUSION

I recognize that the issues raised here involve very serious implicit allegations. But they are allegations which, I respectfully submit, need to be investigated in order to protect the integrity of a sport that Mr. Klitschko and I love, and which is so commercially important to the State of Nevada. Something just does not smell right here, and the truth needs to come out.

Respectfully yours,

Judd Burstein

cc: Senator John McCain

He simply didn't pace himself correctly. He's a big S.O.B. in there dancing around with another equally big S.O.B.
Find somebody and throw punches at each other for three minutes, rest 1 minute and repeat the process a few times. This is a grueling ****ing sport, gentlemen.
If your cornermen aren't doing their job and telling you to save something in the tank, you are screwed. ANOTHER fugged up Manny Stewart production.

dude, he was drugged. I know it, you know it, and everyone else knows it, but won't admit it. There was too much wrong with Wlad for it to be just plain old exhaustion or punch drunkenness. After his ko from Sanders, he was able to give a perfectly articulate post fight interview. But in the Brewster fight, he is too exhausted to even stand. He goes to the hospital and has triple the blood sugar level. His water bottle comes up missing, badges from his entourage come up missing. Odds went suddenly in brewsters favor just an hour before fight time. The fight was fixed and anyone with any sense knows it.

I'd love to see you say that **** to Wlad in person, you ****.

WHICH ****?? :confused:

I'd love to see you say that **** to Wlad in person, you ****.

What a childish, idiotic thing to say....
But, typical of ALL of you BULL**** Wlad fans.

You all are some sorry folk.

What you'll believe- over logic - either proves how stupid or how desperate you are.
Well....actually, your stupidity leads to desperation.

You wonder why an American fight fan like me despises all of you ?
Because of your bias, your racism. You all should shut the f*ck up & stick to soccer. You're embarrassments.

What a childish, idiotic thing to say....
But, typical of ALL of you BULL**** Wlad fans.

You all are some sorry folk.

What you'll believe- over logic - either proves how stupid or how desperate you are.
Well....actually, your stupidity leads to desperation.

You wonder why an American fight fan like me despises all of you ?
Because of your bias, your racism. You all should shut the f*ck up & stick to soccer. You're embarrassments.
Funny how you're so quick to say **** like this when you don't even look at your own posts.
The way you defend and praise Tarver, Toney, and Jones is just as ridiculous if not more so than these extremist Klitschko fans.

Funny how you're so quick to say **** like this when you don't even look at your own posts.
The way you defend and praise Tarver, Toney, and Jones is just as ridiculous if not more so than these extremist Klitschko fans.

Bull****, idiot.

You came on & said "Toney has no boxing skills."
Buddy, do you know how ridiculous that was ? Anybody can see the man can really box.
Then you said he hasn't fought anyone....& I pointed out the high quality guys he did.
That's not ass-kissing...that's me pointing out FACTS to a misinformed nimrod like yourself.

I was glad to see Roy lose the other night. I have never been a fan of his. But, I'm not a childish retard like you who allows my distaste to blind me to what he's accomplished, or his skills.

&, when a fighter I DO like loses....I certainly don't resort to ridiculous conspiracy theories or lame excuses.


You ? I don't know what your story is. I think you just like to insult fighters...& sit back & read your unfunny, not-too-original words.

I'll say it again. Your posts are devoid of boxing knowledge. This makes your loudmouth aprroach even more embarrassing to you.

If you want to continue to be buried....please respond.

Bull****, idiot.

You came on & said "Toney has no boxing skills."
Buddy, do you know how ridiculous that was ? Anybody can see the man can really box.
Then you said he hasn't fought anyone....& I pointed out the high quality guys he did.
That's not ass-kissing...that's me pointing out FACTS to a misinformed nimrod like yourself.

I was glad to see Roy lose the other night. I have never been a fan of his. But, I'm not a childish retard like you who allows my distaste to blind me to what he's accomplished, or his skills.

&, when a fighter I DO like loses....I certainly don't resort to ridiculous conspiracy theories or lame excuses.


You ? I don't know what your story is. I think you just like to insult fighters...& sit back & read your unfunny, not-too-original words.

I'll say it again. Your posts are devoid of boxing knowledge. This makes your loudmouth aprroach even more embarrassing to you.

If you want to continue to be buried....please respond.

Tell me how he has so much skills yet he went 12 rounds with a ****ing nobody who has no power, is unskilled, and beat up bums with huge loss records.

Who has Toney fought to gain him the ass kissing he's getting these days?
I swear, you must be Max Kellerman, you're as idiotic as he is and have the same strange sexual fetish with fat loud-mouth overrated black fighters.

I posted alot of **** about Jones out of hatred for him.
But, I also posted some valid facts about Jones which is why I hate him.
I never saw you reply to that post.

In fact, all of your posts about me not knowing anything about boxing is probably a poor attempt at hiding your own short-comings in boxing knowledge.
I'm pretty sure you get all your "facts" from "I,Max".

Bull****, idiot.

You came on & said "Toney has no boxing skills."
Buddy, do you know how ridiculous that was ? Anybody can see the man can really box.
Then you said he hasn't fought anyone....& I pointed out the high quality guys he did.
That's not ass-kissing...that's me pointing out FACTS to a misinformed nimrod like yourself.

I was glad to see Roy lose the other night. I have never been a fan of his. But, I'm not a childish retard like you who allows my distaste to blind me to what he's accomplished, or his skills.

&, when a fighter I DO like loses....I certainly don't resort to ridiculous conspiracy theories or lame excuses.


You ? I don't know what your story is. I think you just like to insult fighters...& sit back & read your unfunny, not-too-original words.

I'll say it again. Your posts are devoid of boxing knowledge. This makes your loudmouth aprroach even more embarrassing to you.

If you want to continue to be buried....please respond.

Here's whats gonna happen, Mr. Stiff. Wlad will be holding at least one belt if not two by end of year '05, and his brother will have the other two. Like it or not. And when he does, you can recall your anti Klitschko posts and suck up your idiocy. No, Im not an extremist Klitschko fan, I am a fan of many boxers, especially those who are gentlemen inside and outside of the ring.

Don King nearly promised a fixed fight by guaranteeing his fighter would win.

So the question here can also be asked in this form: "Do you think Don King is crooked?"

If you answer yes, then put the pieces together, he is promoting the lesser fighter in the match and guarantees victory...

If you answer no, then maybe you should stop laughing at Klitschko fans because you're the joke.

Only 2 bets (not including the Sam Simon connected ones) caused the odds flop, that screams "Fix!". Vegas pulled all action on his brother's fight with Sanders, that screams "Fix!". Brewster's strange commentary about just waiting until the 4th round and refusing a rematch screams "Fix!". Jibby frenetically flinging posts about like a 'shrooming drunkard flailing at a pinata screams "Fool!".

Only 2 bets (not including the Sam Simon connected ones) caused the odds flop, that screams "Fix!". Vegas pulled all action on his brother's fight with Sanders, that screams "Fix!". Brewster's strange commentary about just waiting until the 4th round and refusing a rematch screams "Fix!". Jibby frenetically flinging posts about like a 'shrooming drunkard flailing at a pinata screams "Fool!".

Specualtion....ridiculous speculation at that.
6 months have passed, dreamer...& NOTHING has come about of your-hoped-for conspiracy theory.


Wlad will be demolished in the ring soon, & you'll either come to grips with his mediocrity....or fumble around for an excuse.
Either way, I get to enjoy the show.

Only 2 bets (not including the Sam Simon connected ones) caused the odds flop, that screams "Fix!". Vegas pulled all action on his brother's fight with Sanders, that screams "Fix!". Brewster's strange commentary about just waiting until the 4th round and refusing a rematch screams "Fix!". Jibby frenetically flinging posts about like a 'shrooming drunkard flailing at a pinata screams "Fool!".
I think they got the drugs in the water bottle idea from that HBO show Oz. There was a prison boxing program and Ryan O'Reilly was making sure his brother would win by putting some kind of drug in his opponent's water bottle. He was eventually caught and his brother had to fight a guy without the advantage.

The guys who set up this fix, via poisoning, musta been ****ting their pants when Wlad was battering & flooring Brewster.
That God this drug kicked in before Wlad ruined their master plan.

yes....this is far more believable than Wlad just being a tense frontrunner.

I also heard Corrie Sanders used one of his 9-irons on Wlad, when the crowd of thousands turned their heads.
Wlad can only be beaten by foreign objects & outside interference.


Kill yourselves.

Either way, I get to enjoy the show. ....your mum and the donkey? :eek:

I wish Wlad would fight Brewster again so that the questions can be answered because the Brewster I saw against Meehan is nothing but a ****ing scrub.

....your mum and the donkey? :eek:


Nah...around my house that's the equivalent of a summer rerun.

Even "mum" is getting tired of it.

I wish Wlad would fight Brewster again so that the questions can be answered because the Brewster I saw against Meehan is nothing but a ****ing scrub.


Right. That makes Wlad a sub-scrub.

Kill yourselves. Surely the same voice that compels you to don women's clothing and work the MEATpacking district.

Right. That makes Wlad a sub-scrub.
If that's the case then why doesn't that piece of **** Brewster and his mother****er promoter grant Wlad a rematch. I ****ing hate Don King I hope and pray that he is killed by someone, I will ****ing celebrate by opening a bottle of champagne and I ****ing hate champagne.

Yeah, Klitschko was drugged, uh huh, sure. And that Olsen twin was in rehab for anerexia. come on.

Surely the same voice that compels you to don women's clothing and work the MEATpacking district.


Not as long-winded as your either material. But still weak....redundant & weak....& of course- boring.

Not as long-winded as your either material. But still weak....redundant & weak....& of course- boring.

My-name is jabs-R-stiff I rea-lly have a fe-tish for d-a-s-h-e-s.

I'm not surprised you'd resort to that kind of posting.
Proves to me you know your own content is lacking.

I heard that Don King said he will die before he lets the Klitschko's win heavyweight titles, he now controls 3 of them righT?

I'm not surprised you'd resort to that kind of posting.

My either material is lacking in c-o-n-t-e-n-t? :o

Sorry....I didn't comb over my post after I posted it, & then edit it.

I notice a fair number of your posts are edited.
You don't need to do this, BathNeglechten. We all know you
as close to infallible as a human can be.

Tell me again how to subdue power-punching middleweight champs & pitbulls. It was all so realistic.

Oh Jibby don't be silly very few of my posts are edited. The few that are, aren't for anything more than adding a functional photo link or to offset the difference in formatting between the composition pane and the resulting post. Unlike you Jibby I don't have an anonymous McJob that affords me long hours of wasting my employer's time (I would be stealing from myself). I have 4 business dsl lines running into my house into 4 high speed switches into 8 white boxes into a KVM worth more than 2 months of your salary into 4 F520's. And to think I still manage to completely kick your ass up and down this forum. Mistakes cost money Jibby....I make a point of not letting them occur in the first place.

maybe im dumb here, this is the first time ive read anything about any of this..i dont care what any of you say, wlad has a weak chin and he caught one, period.

maybe im dumb here, this is the first time ive read anything about any of this..i dont care what any of you say, wlad has a weak chin and he caught one, period.

At least he has a sense of humor about it.

"Question: Who have you been sparring with to get you ready for Klitschko?

Williamson: A number of guys. I have used probably six or seven different guys and they are all “ if they were not as tall as I was, they were as tall -- and they weighed about 250-260, just to kind of get prepared for being leaned on because this is a big man and he is very strong. So I have to get my body conditioned and suffering a little bit in the sparring session, in the gym workout, to be able to deal with this guy.

Klitschko: DaVarryl, I am not so strong and I am not so big. I am like a guy without condition, no (guys) and no chin. So do not train too hard.

Williamson: Too late."

I am guessing that guys is a misprint that should read heart a la RJJ comments.

Oh Jibby don't be silly very few of my posts are edited. The few that are, aren't for anything more than adding a functional photo link or to offset the difference in formatting between the composition pane and the resulting post. Unlike you Jibby I don't have an anonymous McJob that affords me long hours of wasting my employer's time (I would be stealing from myself). I have 4 business dsl lines running into my house into 4 high speed switches into 8 white boxes into a KVM worth more than 2 months of your salary into 4 F520's. And to think I still manage to completely kick your ass up and down this forum. Mistakes cost money Jibby....I make a point of not letting them occur in the first place.

Let's say you do make somewhere near the money you claim....
All that shows me is that you have money that can't buy you a life.
You'd think someone with a life as full as yours would maybe be a little more self-confident than you are.
Pounding your chest in an on-line forum is not confidence. It's
you trying to gain some worth in the most ridiculous of places.
Your/our anonymity renders all bold claims totally useless, not to mention very difficult to confirm.
I know lots of people who are extremely wealthy. They live better lives than you. They certainly aren't as much of a weasle as you are.

it was all about the vaseline and the missing water bottle

Man!, after seeing the photos of the Ukrainian brothers naked with their arms wrapped around one another and reading this quote by bigdlb12. Those guys are "Glowboys"! :eek: :eek:

That's "weasel" Jibby.....and I have made no secret as to where I live/post from (Madison Boro NJ) and Rick Reeno would surely have chimed in if this were not true. Alot of people online think I am an *******, it doesn't really bother me because NO one that personally knows me thinks that or at least says it to my face. I don't really make a habit of getting into a pissing contest with people but if someone steps up they are going to get soaked both physically & intellectually. If we shared a cell Jibby you would literally be my *****. The sad part is with my record of fight predictions and market forecasting people would rather rave at me like lunatics looking for a non-existent weakness than cop some extra coin.....funny that. I don't think I'll waste my time doing it anymore.

P.S. Have fun at MSG it's a really ****ty place to see a fight.....watch your back because it could get ethnically ugly.

I was there for Trinidad-Joppy...& it was awesome.
I have no fear of any kind of ethnic tension. In fact, I'm looking forward to the whole atmosphere.

Basically, you have the money to attend, but not the balls ?

"they are going to get soaked both physically & intellectually. If we shared a cell Jibby you would literally be my *****."

Can Rick Reeno confirm that ?

The sad part is with my record of fight predictions and market forecasting people would rather rave at me like lunatics looking for a non-existent weakness than cop some extra coin.....funny that. I don't think I'll waste my time doing it anymore.

Who do you think wins this Saturday then Nicht? Are you going for Tito or Mayorga?

I am going to lay light on a draw I don't expect to win but the outright odds for this fight reek. I could see Trindad getting knocked down a few times but boxing enough to pull a draw....this is the wrong fight for Trinidad but King needs some big "names" and I believe his dream is to bilk more money from the public in a rematch with Hopkins. I am betting draw for the 22 to 1 but leaning towards Mayorga. I wish someone that is a native speaker of Spanish could say whether or not Tito is still slurring.

Basically, you have the money to attend, but not the balls ? I was at Bowe vs. Golota I with my future brother-in-law & my father......we had no trouble. They were a bunch of *******. Now the Slayer riot in '88 that was ****ing insane....

I think I heard about the Slayer riot.
Something about chairs being ripped out ?

I am going to lay light on a draw I don't expect to win but the outright odds for this fight reek. I could see Trindad getting knocked down a few times but boxing enough to pull a draw....this is the wrong fight for Trinidad but King needs some big "names" and I believe his dream is to bilk more money from the public in a rematch with Hopkins. I am betting draw for the 22 to 1 but leaning towards Mayorga. I wish someone that is a native speaker of Spanish could say whether or not Tito is still slurring.

I bet the odds aren’t very good at all. I think Tito will win but I am not discounting Mayorga for one second, he’s very dangerous and unpredictable.

Someone responded to the post you made about Tito slurring and said they are from Puerto Rico, check it out.

I think I heard about the Slayer riot.
Something about chairs being ripped out ?

That is sad when a bunch of working class fight fans can be out-rioted by a bunch of Death Metal Goths.

That is sad when a bunch of working class fight fans can be out-rioted by a bunch of Death Metal Goths.

Slayer fans are not in the least bit "Gothic".
Yeah Slayer has the evil vibe & overtones...but they're too raw, too fast, to be gothic.

ive always found that someone who takes pride in letting people know how much money they make, or where they stand in life, is ALWAYS compensating for something, if i click this topic and it goes from wlads ****ty chin, to OMG I DONT HAVE A MCJOB LIKE J000!

then pretty much its safe to assume someone is missing something, its the same on all messageboards i visit, and im sad to see this **** exists on here too (im a n000b)

That is sad when a bunch of working class fight fans can be out-rioted by a bunch of Death Metal Goths.

And what do they have to do with working class fight fans? Maybe I am missing something here.

Welfare is actually considered "work" by some people :eek: because they have to get out of bed before early afternoon as their check may be boosted :mad: from the mailbox...HBO completely edited any replay or footage offered after the original night....I wonder what could be the reason? :rolleyes: Maybe Bryant Gumbel could do a special on it......NAHHHHHH!

Welfare is actually considered "work" by some people :eek: because they have to get out of bed before early afternoon as their check may be boosted :mad: from the mailbox...HBO completely edited any replay or footage offered after the original night....I wonder what could be the reason? :rolleyes: Maybe Bryant Gumbel could do a special on it......NAHHHHHH!

Are you referring to Bowe-Golota I ?

Actually I am specifically referring to the race riot after the fight was halted. I was taping the fight in the hopes of seeing myself...that tape is completely different from the replay and any discussion of what happened has the footage artificially "massaged" to portray a general melee not what was actually a full on race riot.

Actually I am specifically referring to the race riot after the fight was halted. I was taping the fight in the hopes of seeing myself...that tape is completely different from the replay and any discussion of what happened has the footage artificially "massaged" to portray a general melee not what was actually a full on race riot.


I agree 100%.

It was definitely downplayed.