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rsf
08-18-2010, 08:44 AM
if we could put both wlad and vitali back in the fighting days of jim jeffries which one of the klits would be more successful and would either beat the boilermaker

Sugarj
08-18-2010, 09:03 AM
Ooooooh.

I dont doubt that either could outbox Jeffries!

The problem for the Klitschkos concerns the fight length. Jeffries fought 20-25 rounds at times. Their massive frames would surely struggle with this sort of fight length. Jeffries of course had terrific distance stamina and conditioning.

Their best bet would be to try and get Jeffries 'out' early. But he was a very tough chap, they might have serious difficulty doing that!!!

Spartacus Sully
08-18-2010, 09:24 AM
id imagine they would be able to knock him down though haven been never kd in his prime.

all in all though even watching a past prime jeffries vs johnson you can clearly see how well hes able to dip inside the reach hit and clinch along with how well hes able to take some powerful shots from johnson.

i see a prime jeffries having no problem out lasting and tying up either klit perhaps loosing decision though in reality i dont see either klit lasting more then 20 rounds with out going down for the 10.

frankenfrank
08-18-2010, 10:03 AM
Each Klitschko would have stopped him inside 12 ,so no need to worry about the extra stamina.

wmute
08-18-2010, 10:22 AM
Each Klitschko would have stopped him inside 12 ,so no need to worry about the extra stamina.

Purrity
Sanders
Brewster

frankenfrank
08-18-2010, 10:33 AM
Purrity
Sanders
Brewster

McCline
Austin
Byrd
Barrett
Rahman

Wlad Klitschko
08-18-2010, 11:07 AM
Jim Jeffries...hahaha. Vitali is more conditioned than anyone back then. In Jeffries 20 round fights or something how many punches did he throw? I doubt it was over 1000 like Vitali throws in a 12 round fight.

This is the one thing to like abotu MMA, old people and haters cant be like "well this guy from UFC 1 would crush him..." because we've seen the shamrocks lose. Yeah, in UFC they used to go unlimited time etc...we know now how that wouldnt matter and watching Gracie and Shamrock dance around a ring in Detroit for an hor was just boring and doesnt mean they have more stamina that a Silva.

One reason why I wish I liked UFC is because I wouldnt be a fan of a sport held hostage by people who are slaves to nostalgia and pop culture love.

Spartacus Sully
08-18-2010, 11:33 AM
Jim Jeffries...hahaha. Vitali is more conditioned than anyone back then. In Jeffries 20 round fights or something how many punches did he throw? I doubt it was over 1000 like Vitali throws in a 12 round fight.

This is the one thing to like abotu MMA, old people and haters cant be like "well this guy from UFC 1 would crush him..." because we've seen the shamrocks lose. Yeah, in UFC they used to go unlimited time etc...we know now how that wouldnt matter and watching Gracie and Shamrock dance around a ring in Detroit for an hor was just boring and doesnt mean they have more stamina that a Silva.

One reason why I wish I liked UFC is because I wouldnt be a fan of a sport held hostage by people who are slaves to nostalgia and pop culture love.

mmas been around for what 20 some years , by jeffries time the jab had been around for almost 100 and boxing for thousands.

Wlad Klitschko
08-18-2010, 11:43 AM
mmas been around for what 20 some years , by jeffries time the jab had been around for almost 100 and boxing for thousands.

me thinks you missed the point.

That is the point the fact that you cant hold on to these past fighters who were far inferior. Thank god we have times in track or people would try to argue Jesse Owens was the fastest man ever to live. Vitali would murder a Jim Jeffries in the ring. KO 1. Then he'd knock Jack Johnson out too and not break a sweat. people like Vitali didnt exist back then.

Again, jim jeffries threw like 20 punches a round...Jack Johnson pretty much wasa wrestler.

The nice thing about UFC is that when you say, "Oh man this guys great" no old person jumps in and says, "but they were better back in my day." Athletes are completely different now, a completely different calibur. Again just look at Jesse Owens track times, wouldnt even make some high schools relays. look at Mark Spitz's times...Phelps breaks his records in practice with a drag suit on, back to back. And people will argue boxing was more popular back then and disregard the lack of foreign fighters, both latino and european, but also Asian. They also wont realize that bad boxers starting out go into other sports instead of keeping on boxing and having records of 110-135 etc...Or that the athlete and medicine has changed now. Now a 39 year old Vitali Klitschko can throw 1000 punches in 12 rounds.

mrboxer
08-18-2010, 11:49 AM
if we could put both wlad and vitali back in the fighting days of jim jeffries which one of the klits would be more successful and would either beat the boilermakervitali would be more successful he would last one or two more rounds than wlad,jeffries is way to good of a boxer to lose to these guys,i have jeffries winning against wlad by 4th round kayo and beating vitali via 5th of 6th round kayo,i aslo think tommy burns would dispose of the klits in similar manner,:boxing:

Spartacus Sully
08-18-2010, 11:55 AM
me thinks you missed the point.

That is the point the fact that you cant hold on to these past fighters who were far inferior. Thank god we have times in track or people would try to argue Jesse Owens was the fastest man ever to live. Vitali would murder a Jim Jeffries in the ring. KO 1. Then he'd knock Jack Johnson out too and not break a sweat. people like Vitali didnt exist back then.

Again, jim jeffries threw like 20 punches a round...Jack Johnson pretty much wasa wrestler.

The nice thing about UFC is that when you say, "Oh man this guys great" no old person jumps in and says, "but they were better back in my day." Athletes are completely different now, a completely different calibur. Again just look at Jesse Owens track times, wouldnt even make some high schools relays. look at Mark Spitz's times...Phelps breaks his records in practice with a drag suit on, back to back. And people will argue boxing was more popular back then and disregard the lack of foreign fighters, both latino and european, but also Asian. They also wont realize that bad boxers starting out go into other sports instead of keeping on boxing and having records of 110-135 etc...Or that the athlete and medicine has changed now. Now a 39 year old Vitali Klitschko can throw 1000 punches in 12 rounds.

id give them 50 a round so 1000 in 20, dosnt seem like much has changed just a different work rate to match the time allotment.

plus the deflecting was as much a movement as well as the clinching, all draining stamina.

rsf
08-18-2010, 12:02 PM
vitali would be more successful he would last one or two more rounds than wlad,jeffries is way to good of a boxer to lose to these guys,i have jeffries winning against wlad by 4th round kayo and beating vitali via 5th of 6th round kayo,i aslo think tommy burns would dispose of the klits in similar manner,:boxing:

wow the burns call is a big big call ,burns had very good power but surely he has to many disadvantages against the klits

Wlad Klitschko
08-18-2010, 12:02 PM
id give them 50 a round so 1000 in 20, dosnt seem like much has changed just a different work rate to match the time allotment.

haha 50 round, ok quick question how many punches did Jeffries throw in the first 3 rounds against Johnson? I counted 32 total. 50 a round? haha what a joke.

Wlad Klitschko
08-18-2010, 12:04 PM
round 4 not better, Jeffries threw 8 punches, johnson 6, ill let you know if they ever break 20 a round, watching it now.

Spartacus Sully
08-18-2010, 12:12 PM
haha 50 round, ok quick question how many punches did Jeffries throw in the first 3 rounds against Johnson? I counted 32 total. 50 a round? haha what a joke.

im unable to find a full fight copy do you have one?

though on a second note i agree that johnson was more of a wrestler then a boxer and jeffries would wrestle as part of training so really i would expect johnson jeffries to have more clinching then punching with johnson rushing jeffries the whole time and out wrestling him the whole time.

something like jeffires sharkley or ruhlin as actual youtube footage unless you have other stuff would probly have more then 32 over 3 round though im not sure if theres any with complete rounds.

plus jeffries was past prime in the johnson fight conserving his energy for a possible 45 round match.

wmute
08-18-2010, 06:07 PM
McCline
Austin
Byrd
Barrett
Rahman

Logic not your forte, eh?

Sugarj
08-18-2010, 06:18 PM
The Jeffries that fought Johnson was hopelessly post prime. That film gives little clue as to how good Jeffries was years previous. Its a shame that the Corbett fights dont exist on film.

Vadrigar.
08-19-2010, 05:46 AM
Ooooooh.

I dont doubt that either could outbox Jeffries!

The problem for the Klitschkos concerns the fight length. Jeffries fought 20-25 rounds at times. Their massive frames would surely struggle with this sort of fight length. Jeffries of course had terrific distance stamina and conditioning.

Their best bet would be to try and get Jeffries 'out' early. But he was a very tough chap, they might have serious difficulty doing that!!!

Wlad has stamina problems so he could be flopping, but what about Jeffries chin?

Spartacus Sully
08-19-2010, 06:03 AM
Wlad has stamina problems so he could be flopping, but what about Jeffries chin?

Never ko'ed. never kd in his prime.

fitz turned his face to hamburger exposin his cheek bones breaking his nose and bloodying him up and chyonisky sent his lip through his teeth.

a prime jeffries would not get koed by either klit and i doubt he would even get knocked down.

BattlingNelson
08-19-2010, 11:09 AM
me thinks you missed the point.

That is the point the fact that you cant hold on to these past fighters who were far inferior. Thank god we have times in track or people would try to argue Jesse Owens was the fastest man ever to live. Vitali would murder a Jim Jeffries in the ring. KO 1. Then he'd knock Jack Johnson out too and not break a sweat. people like Vitali didnt exist back then.

Again, jim jeffries threw like 20 punches a round...Jack Johnson pretty much wasa wrestler.

The nice thing about UFC is that when you say, "Oh man this guys great" no old person jumps in and says, "but they were better back in my day." Athletes are completely different now, a completely different calibur. Again just look at Jesse Owens track times, wouldnt even make some high schools relays. look at Mark Spitz's times...Phelps breaks his records in practice with a drag suit on, back to back. And people will argue boxing was more popular back then and disregard the lack of foreign fighters, both latino and european, but also Asian. They also wont realize that bad boxers starting out go into other sports instead of keeping on boxing and having records of 110-135 etc...Or that the athlete and medicine has changed now. Now a 39 year old Vitali Klitschko can throw 1000 punches in 12 rounds.
So it's punchamount that determines the stamina? And the punchoutput in the old days was lower than today?


Well in the Wolgast-Nelson fight the average number of punches per round was 70-80. For 40 rounds! That makes some 3,000 punches!

Does that mean that your argument :Flush: ???