View Full Version : Your Take On John.L.Sulivan


MeccaOfBoxing
08-17-2010, 11:13 PM
& his greatness??????????

MeccaOfBoxing
08-17-2010, 11:22 PM
????????????????????

Miburo
08-18-2010, 12:00 AM
Had success in both London Prize Ring rules and Marquess of Queensbury, which is pretty impressive (although it doesn't seem like they had very good criteria for determining bareknuckle opponents as the practice was illegal).

eslubin
08-18-2010, 12:09 AM
Sullivan was a great fighter

Ziggy Stardust
08-18-2010, 10:46 AM
Hard to get a real solid grasp of how good the bareknuckle fighters were. If any of those guys would rate it would probably be Sullivan though.

Poet

MeccaOfBoxing
08-18-2010, 01:13 PM
bump.........#

GoogleMe
08-18-2010, 05:49 PM
Prime, I wouldn't fight that guy, even for a million ;-) bareknuckled of course.

MonsieurGeorges
08-19-2010, 11:33 AM
Sullivan was the first boxer to transcend the sport. Stuff I've read from the day says that ducking was running rampant and Sullivan was one of the few who fought all comers gladly.

Charlie Harvey, old time manager, described Sullivan as a “rushing, tearing-in, two-fisted fighter with a power punch” and called him “… big, fast, and courageous” (see Fleischer 1972 p 207).

Diamond (1954 p 10) writes about Sullivan – “He was quick on his feet – as quick as any modern heavyweight. And what a punch he had! A knockout in each hand! He was not a scientific boxer but a slugger, depending mainly on a vicious right swing to the jaw”.

Durant and Rice (1946) state “He was superbly fast with his hands and he moved always forward, growling as he advanced”.

Grombach (1977 p 43) describes Sullivan in this way “According to the writers of his time, he was a great burly, slugging fighter with bull-like tactics, mighty fists, and little science. He was good-natured, generous, conceited, blustering, and extremely popular”.

MonsieurGeorges
08-19-2010, 11:34 AM
Durant and Bettman (1952 p 79) state that “…he was more than merely strong. He was amazingly fast for a big man and had a knock-em-dead punch in either hand. Ring science was not for John L. He never bothered much with defense. He brushed aside blows and kept moving forward, always punching. His was a hurricane attack”.



McCallum (1974 pp 10 11) describes him “ He was far from being muscle-bound. He was a “natural” puncher. His punches were perfectly timed, seldom wild, and fast. In the ring, he was extraordinarily fast. His hands were large. His shoulders enormous, his chest was remarkably deep …”.

Lardner (1972 p 43) writes that Sullivan was a bully, a boozer, and a braggart and later adds that he looked like a conqueror with his florid face, black brow, black hair, mustache, and aggressive fighter’s jaw. Burrill (1974 p 181) says he was “notorious for drinking and tavern brawls”. Tom Langley (1973 p 31) says that “Sullivan implicitly believed in his invincibility and wasted no time in passing on this information to the world”.

MonsieurGeorges
08-19-2010, 11:40 AM
http://campsmoke.fmallen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/JohnLSullivan-young.jpg

Spartacus Sully
08-19-2010, 11:52 AM
Durant and Rice (1946) state “He was superbly fast with his hands and he moved always forward, growling as he advanced”.


Tom Langley (1973 p 31) says that “Sullivan implicitly believed in his invincibility and wasted no time in passing on this information to the world”.

total awesomeness.

mrboxer
08-19-2010, 11:57 AM
& his greatness??????????he was slow,uncoordinated,no punching power,beer gut,i dont know what legend people think he is but boxing in those days was a farce,:boxing:

DarkTerror88
08-19-2010, 12:36 PM
i like his stache
everyone does, the just wont admit it :cool2:

Vadrigar.
08-19-2010, 05:35 PM
All I can say is, this guy was a badass. True story. :boxing:

"I can lick any son of a b*tch alive"

NChristo
08-19-2010, 05:36 PM
i like his stache
everyone does, the just wont admit it :cool2:

Them handlebars really are something eh.

MonsieurGeorges
08-20-2010, 11:40 PM
he was slow,uncoordinated,no punching power,beer gut,i dont know what legend people think he is but boxing in those days was a farce,:boxing:

what the ****? totally wrong

go read boxing material from the day. across the board, they say he had the agility of a much smaller man and the raw punching power of a much larger man. Sullivan was in a time when there were still common vestiges of fencing in boxing and lots of guys still moved in a straight line, threw straight punches and focused on one punch at time, but he was noted for his ability to feint and slip is one of the first fighters who used the "one-two" to devasting effect. A lot of guys in that time threw ugly haymaker-like punches as hooks, but Sullivan was noted for throwing all kinds of "round blows" that were heavy but accurate and on-balance.

mrboxer
08-21-2010, 11:53 AM
boxing in those days was ridiculous,look at the stance on osullivan what is that all about,with his hands like that he would of gotten hit with lefts and rights,uppercuts he would not last a round with any fighter of todays heavywights,his stache would of been removed with a tyson hook:boxing: