View Full Version : Rahman vs Frazier


DarkTerror88
08-17-2010, 10:38 AM
Who do you guys think win in 15 rounds and how? No three knockdown rule. 10 point must system etc etc. Prime for prime.

sonnyboyx2
08-17-2010, 01:40 PM
mismatch - Rahman failed everytime he fought at the top level, he lost virtually every round against John Ruiz... Frazier would `Bomb him Out` inside 2rds.

musiol
08-17-2010, 01:46 PM
rahman is utter ****e man cmon

elgaringo
08-17-2010, 01:49 PM
As soon as Frazier lands that left hook it'd be Lewis Rahman all over again! Rahman was quite a big puncher, but was way too tentative! Another george Foreman he never was!!!

SBleeder
08-17-2010, 01:52 PM
People go too far with the whole "styles make fights" thing. While I agree that Frazier's style is made for a big power puncher, there are very few heavyweights in history other than Big George who could have taken out Frazier. Rahman had nowhere near the power in either hands, nor the punching accuracy, to club Frazier on the way in. Frazier would be in full smoking mode by round 4 or 5 and would finish him in the middle rounds. Rahman's legs would be completely dead from the body work he would absorb.

The Surgeon
08-09-2011, 06:17 PM
Is this thread for real!?? Joe takes his head clean off early!

ghns1133
08-09-2011, 06:19 PM
joe by ko any round before the 6th.

Perfect Plex
08-09-2011, 06:39 PM
Lets say Rahman is able to catch Frazier clean in the early going. What happens?

The Surgeon
08-09-2011, 06:43 PM
Lets say Rahman is able to catch Frazier clean in the early going. What happens?

If he goes down he gets up and soon enough it will be Rock taking a full count

Perfect Plex
08-09-2011, 06:45 PM
If he goes down he gets up and soon enough it will be Rock taking a full count

So he'd be dropped but regain senses? Wound't Rock pounce on him similar to Lewis & finish the job?

The Surgeon
08-09-2011, 06:56 PM
So he'd be dropped but regain senses? Wound't Rock pounce on him similar to Lewis & finish the job?
He wouldnt necessarily be dropped but if Rahman could land one of his best shots he could in theory drop him but he'd struggle to land that right hand flush on a bobbing Frazier and Finishing a lump like Lennox and finishing a pure fighter like Frazier are two totally different matters

blaze778
08-09-2011, 07:02 PM
East fight for Frazier. He wins within 3.

Rahman was never that good. He's a decent fighter, but nothing more than a glorified journeyman who got one of the biggest fluke victories in boxing history.

Perfect Plex
08-09-2011, 07:05 PM
Just interesting due to if Bonavena can drop & hurt Frazier, what would happen if Rahman can tag him flush? & Rahman hits harder than Bonavena.

Capaedia
08-09-2011, 10:43 PM
Just interesting due to if Bonavena can drop & hurt Frazier, what would happen if Rahman can tag him flush? & Rahman hits harder than Bonavena.

He might knock him down.

But Joe Frazier got up 6 times in two rounds against the man I think hit the hardest in all of boxing history. A more aggressive fighter with better accuracy and power that trapped Joe by the ropes several times was not able to finish Joe Frazier despite constantly beating on him for two rounds. The fight had to be ended by the ref.

So he's not getting a knockout. Oh no, it takes a far better man to knock out Smokin' Joe.

Perfect Plex
08-09-2011, 11:26 PM
He might knock him down.

But Joe Frazier got up 6 times in two rounds against the man I think hit the hardest in all of boxing history. A more aggressive fighter with better accuracy and power that trapped Joe by the ropes several times was not able to finish Joe Frazier despite constantly beating on him for two rounds. The fight had to be ended by the ref.

So he's not getting a knockout. Oh no, it takes a far better man to knock out Smokin' Joe.

Yeah, but then again it dosent always work like that. Foreman is the way harder puncher, but Rock might just land a temple shot or then again he might just do what Foreman did and when Joe does get up finish him off.

Am not saying Rahman beats Frazier, just looking at a fairly unlikely but not impossible outcome.

Capaedia
08-09-2011, 11:40 PM
Yeah, but then again it dosent always work like that. Foreman is the way harder puncher, but Rock might just land a temple shot or then again he might just do what Foreman did and when Joe does get up finish him off.

Am not saying Rahman beats Frazier, just looking at a fairly unlikely but not impossible outcome.

Well may as well say he COULD beat Muhammad Ali then, or COULD beat Foreman, at that stage.

I don't think he can finish him off, George tried his hardest and simply could not do it, even with another 5 knockdowns, I don't see why Rahman would have any more luck with it to a reasonably discussible extent.

Perfect Plex
08-09-2011, 11:45 PM
Well may as well say he COULD beat Muhammad Ali then, or COULD beat Foreman, at that stage.

I don't think he can finish him off, George tried his hardest and simply could not do it, even with another 5 knockdowns, I don't see why Rahman would have any more luck with it to a reasonably discussible extent.

And my point just because Foreman cound't KO Frazier, (he did TKO him do) dosen't mean no else has a chance. For example.....

Lennox Lewis or Mike Tyson cound't KO Tony Tucker but yet Bruce Seldon could. You see my points, KO boxing maths don't always work.

Rahman might catch him with a different type of shot or finsih him off different.

Capaedia
08-09-2011, 11:53 PM
And my point just because Foreman cound't KO Frazier, (he did TKO him do) dosen't mean no else has a chance. For example.....

The TKO was by referee stoppage. I think he should have done it before Frazier was knocked down 6 times. Teddy Atlas screamed for the fight to be stopped during the first round, sometime after the second knockdown I believe. You can actually hear him in the fight audio

Lennox Lewis or Mike Tyson cound't KO Tony Tucker but yet Bruce Seldon could. You see my points, KO boxing maths don't always work.

Rahman might catch him with a different type of shot or finsih him off different.

My point was that he MIGHT but I don't see any reasonable thing to suggest that he conceivably WOULD.

When you start talking about things as unlikely as that, the discussion really becomes pointless.

Scott9945
08-10-2011, 12:32 AM
The TKO was by referee stoppage. I think he should have done it before Frazier was knocked down 6 times. Teddy Atlas screamed for the fight to be stopped during the first round, sometime after the second knockdown I believe. You can actually hear him in the fight audio


Teddy Atlas was only 19 when the first Foreman-Frazier fight happened in Jamaica. Are you sure that was who you heard?

Capaedia
08-10-2011, 12:33 AM
Teddy Atlas was only 19 when the first Foreman-Frazier fight happened in Jamaica. Are you sure that was who you heard?

Haha I meant Angelo Dundee >.<

TBear
08-10-2011, 02:23 AM
Frazier would pound Rahman as long as Rahman could take it. Maybe around eight rounds.

New England
08-10-2011, 09:06 AM
different class of HW

rock was pretty good

frazier was very great at his best


grind youdown type stoppage

maybe even on body punches


he would exhaust rahman to near death

Dynamite76
06-21-2013, 05:23 PM
Frazier would lay his behind out within three rounds.

CHEECH
06-21-2013, 11:33 PM
''Teddy Atlas screamed for the fight to be stopped during the first round, sometime after the second knockdown I believe. You can actually hear him in the fight audio''
I Know u meant Dundee but am I the only one who cannot tell atlas voice from gilbert Gottfried voice apart? here's how it goes, someone mentioned bonavena n that's who rahman reminds me of. nothing real special other than being very strong in there. rahman might hit a bit harder than bonavena but not much. so maybe rahman drops smoke early. smoke always started slow n was vulnerable to that but then he'd register a beating over the rest of the fight on rahman just like he did bonavena but I don't think rahman takes the beating as wellas bonavena could so late round ko

fight_professor
06-22-2013, 09:30 PM
Love Rahman but Frazier was a beast. ATG HW, Joe would stop him in 7-8 rnds.

Andyland
06-22-2013, 09:33 PM
Does anybody really believe Smokin Joe would lose to Rahman???

billeau2
06-23-2013, 02:42 AM
Does anybody really believe Smokin Joe would lose to Rahman???

Sure!! Many people think fighters evolved, which is to say that in the space of less than 100 years, fighters have become genetically, through selective breeding and the environment.....in ONE generation!!! stronger, faster and smarter. These people go on to say that the fighters of today would destroy any of the old chaps you know....

know Rahman actually is proof of this!! after I believe the Holyfield fight? he started to grow a second head after getting head butted, any one remember that fight? Proof of genetic mutation I say! and proof that fighters are evolving, and will have two heads soon! making them twice as strong as the guys of yore!! don't belive me just ask six heads lewis

House of Stone
06-23-2013, 06:34 AM
Frazier beats him up in a one sided fight and stops him in 7 or 8 a more interesting fight between Frazier and one of these 'strong guy nearly men' would be prime Frazier V prime Tua ... u should have created a thread on that.

kiDynamite92
06-23-2013, 06:46 AM
Before anyone brings the George Foreman fight up as a reference for Frazier struggling against big punchers........... please watch that fight again and count how many times Joe landed the left hook on Foreman. I don't think there is anyone besides Foreman and maybe McCall that could have walked through Fraziers punches like that. Same thing happened to norton actually. Norton cracked George with his hardest left hook and it barely fazed him, you could see after that Norton was like 'oh fuuck'.

I'm a fan of Rahman but Joe would be way to much. Early stopage