View Full Version : was james toney weight drained against roy jones?


turdleburgle
08-14-2010, 12:37 AM
this is what ive read.kinda takes away from the win imo.

SplitSecond
08-14-2010, 01:05 AM
this is what ive read.kinda takes away from the win imo.

sonnyboyx2
08-14-2010, 03:14 AM
Toney really was weight-drained for that fight, Roy knew that Toney was weight drained as he talked about it in the post fight interview

gibo
08-14-2010, 07:50 AM
Yeah every fighter that gets his ass beat is now weight drained!!! GTFO!!!

Silencers
08-14-2010, 08:22 AM
Yes he was but Toney only has himself to blame, he knew he was going to fight Jones if he had won the Prince Charles Williams fight, which was about 3 months before the Jones fight, really stupid of him to balloon up in weight when he knew he had a fight scheduled so soon afterwards.

One more round
08-14-2010, 08:42 AM
Yes he was but Toney only has himself to blame, he knew he was going to fight Jones if he had won the Prince Charles Williams fight, which was about 3 months before the Jones fight, really stupid of him to balloon up in weight when he knew he had a fight scheduled so soon afterwards.

Exactly.. ..

Panthershock
08-14-2010, 11:54 AM
this is what ive read.kinda takes away from the win imo.

No it does not take away the win.
Yes Toney was weight drained, but the fight wasnt close at all.
Toney was also 26 at the time and can only blame his lack of discipline for having to go to such lengths to make weight.

T.McGrady
08-14-2010, 12:21 PM
That's toney. He's always weight drained.

prinzemanspopa
08-14-2010, 12:27 PM
James Toney was not "weight drained" when he was taken to school and thoroughly humiliated by the greatest fighter he ever fought.Roy Jones simply exposed a prime James Toney's limitations,much like Montell Griffin did when he also took Toney to school.




Can't get schooled back-to-back and claim being drained was the reason you simply didn't have enough talent cope with two master boxers.

Toney616
08-14-2010, 12:36 PM
James Toney was not "weight drained" when he was taken to school and thoroughly humiliated by the greatest fighter he ever fought.Roy Jones simply exposed a prime James Toney's limitations,much like Montell Griffin did when he also took Toney to school.
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Toney wasnt drained, he trained the same way for all of his fights back then. He would stagger into camp around 200 lbs and try to get down during the next 6 weeks (get down to the low 180's, then drain himself to get to the 186 lb limit). For his next fight against Griffin he was seen working out in a sauna on the day of the weigh in, he would rehydrate up to 187 lbs by fight night as well

Can't get schooled back-to-back and claim being drained was the reason you simply didn't have enough talent cope with two master boxers.
He had a flaw which was exposed during the McCallum I fight and that is he tends to only throw the right hand as a counter punch, rather than a lead punch. It was the reason that McCallum was able to outwork him during certain rounds because Toney was waiting for opportunites to counter punch. It was the reason that McCallum didn't throw many right hands during their second fight and kept circling to Toney's left.

Toney and Griffin would do the same thing, with a lot of emphasis on the leaping left hooks as well

catalinul
08-14-2010, 02:28 PM
Yes he was.

But that's only his fault.

frankenfrank
08-14-2010, 04:02 PM
this is what ive read.kinda takes away from the win imo.
True on both accounts.
Toney really was weight-drained for that fight, Roy knew that Toney was weight drained as he talked about it in the post fight interview
And this is why Roy agreed to take the fight. Typical Roy.

James Toney was not "weight drained"

Of course he was , do you claim Toney walkd around at a trim and skinny 170lbs prior to the fight ?
Or did he have to swallow 2 liters of water to make it seem like a legit SMW title fight because he was really a light middleweight fighting at supermiddleweight ?

when he was taken to school and thoroughly humiliated by the greatest fighter he ever fought.Roy Jones simply exposed a prime James Toney's limitations,much like Montell Griffin did when he also took Toney to school.


Can't get schooled back-to-back and claim being drained was the reason you simply didn't have enough talent cope with two master boxers.

Griffin did not school James , he did cause him problems and gave him 2 extremely close fights , he did the same with Roy later.
But Roy was not nearly the fight everybody type of fighter that Griffin was.
Roy fought either corpses , midgets or a weight drained Toney , or sometimes , midget corpses.

turdleburgle
08-15-2010, 02:11 AM
And this is why Roy agreed to take the fight. Typical Roy.




he knew toney would be weight drained?

Trenchant
08-15-2010, 06:02 AM
Toney was weight drained and looked like he didnt even train. Just watch the fight, he had no energy, no muscle tone whatsoever. And yes that is Toney's own fault. Jones didnt cause Toney's lack of discipline. Jones probably still beats him though at that time. But that fight sucked because of Toney not cutting weight properly and training right.

Bright-Eyes
08-15-2010, 06:10 AM
Yeah every fighter that gets his ass beat is now weight drained!!! GTFO!!!




Or they're shot or they didn't train properly and all the other excuses in the book.

Toney616
08-15-2010, 08:02 AM
Toney was weight drained and looked like he didnt even train. Just watch the fight, he had no energy, no muscle tone whatsoever.

He looked soft because he rehydrated using iv injection (normally he drank fluids to rehydrate) and put on 17 lbs of water weight, 5 lbs more than he normally would rehydrate back up to.

He had energy, he chased Jones for 12 rounds, compare that to his fight with Tiberi when he could only fight for around 30 seconds per round.

And yes that is Toney's own fault. Jones didnt cause Toney's lack of discipline. Jones probably still beats him though at that time. But that fight sucked because of Toney not cutting weight properly and training right.
Toney cut weight the same for all of his fights back then, he would do the same thing for his next fight with Griffin I

frankenfrank
08-15-2010, 08:18 AM
he knew toney would be weight drained?

Yes , one could see Toney fought at and above the 175 limit since as soon as 1993. One of the reasons to why it didn't prevent him from winning that fight is that Charles Williams had about the same problem making the 168 limit.

frankenfrank
08-15-2010, 08:23 AM
Toney was weight drained and looked like he didnt even train. Just watch the fight, he had no energy, no muscle tone whatsoever. And yes that is Toney's own fault. Jones didnt cause Toney's lack of discipline. Jones probably still beats him though at that time. But that fight sucked because of Toney not cutting weight properly and training right.

Almost a perfectly true post except of the claim that Jones would have beaten him anyway.
It was Toney's fault he was fat yes , but one should not take it out of consideration when trying to understand why Jones beat him , especially why Jones won every round which would have not been the case otherwise. Jones might have won a close disputed decision even against a relatively well conditioned Toney , but not every round. One should also note that even in the bad codition Toney was in , Jones did not even try to finish him , as Toney was still far from being in danger.

Toney616
08-15-2010, 08:30 AM
Almost a perfectly true post except of the claim that Jones would have beaten him anyway.
It was Toney's fault he was fat yes , but one should not take it out of consideration when trying to understand why Jones beat him , especially why Jones won every round which would have not been the case otherwise. Jones might have won a close disputed decision even against a relatively well conditioned Toney , but not every round. One should also note that even in the bad codition Toney was in , Jones did not even try to finish him , as Toney was still far from being in danger.
Dont you ever get tired of repeating online rumours and quoting boxrec stats?

Toney616
08-15-2010, 08:50 AM
this is what ive read.kinda takes away from the win imo.
It dosent effect the win in any way,becuase
1:He wasn't drained
2:In boxing the best prepared man should win, Jones was better prepared and he won

end of story

Vadrigar.
08-15-2010, 11:46 AM
This has been debunked before:

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195626