View Full Version : Who Was More Naturaly Talented, Roy Jones Or Ray Robinson


MeccaOfBoxing
08-13-2010, 11:26 AM
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NChristo
08-13-2010, 11:40 AM
We didn't see much of the best of Robinson so we have to judge him at middleweight in which case Roy takes it for me as far as natural talent / athleticism.

TheHolyCross
08-13-2010, 11:45 AM
i see what your doin with these last few threads... askin rhetorical questions that have only one answer :nonono:

boxing boy
08-13-2010, 12:12 PM
RJJ.....But SRR was a much greater fighter.

Barn
08-13-2010, 04:45 PM
I would personally say Robinson.
Roy Jones at excellent natural athleicism but, Ray Robinson had more natural boxing skills and ring savvy. Aslo a better natyral at adapting etc.
Depends in what context the question is in.

Again that's just my opinion.

It appears I'm in the minority though. :lurk:

Miburo
08-13-2010, 04:48 PM
Jones may well be the most naturally talented fighter ever. Not the best, but almost certainly the most athletic.

$BloodyNate$
08-13-2010, 10:17 PM
Wait are we talking about just reflexes & athletic ability or talent & ability?

Better athleticism- Jones > everybody
Skills & Talent- Ray Robinson had it ALL.

BigStereotype
08-14-2010, 05:08 PM
Roy is as athletic a man as has ever been seen. Jones by far, even if SRR is the GOAT.

TheHolyCross
08-14-2010, 05:12 PM
Wait are we talking about just reflexes & athletic ability or talent & ability?

Better athleticism- Jones > everybody
Skills & Talent- Ray Robinson had it ALL.

he had no defence for one...dadada dum

Heru
08-14-2010, 05:43 PM
Speed = RJ Jr.
Power = SRR
Chin = SRR
Atleticism = RJ Jr.

What else can be classified as natural talent?

Ziggy Stardust
08-14-2010, 06:06 PM
he had no defence for one...dadada dum

Proof Akroretard doesn't know what the phuck he's talking about :nonono:

Poet

TheHolyCross
08-14-2010, 06:18 PM
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414197

Vadrigar.
08-14-2010, 06:35 PM
he had no defence for one...dadada dum

^This guy's an idiot. Lets put him out of his misery:

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3rd time lucky?

sonnyboyx2
08-15-2010, 03:09 AM
Ray Robinson was vastly more talented that Roy Jones was, i would go as far as saying Robinsons talent was on a different level to that of Jones, Roy was fast with great speed of punch but Robinson could throw 8+ punch combinations with the final punch stretching his opponent out-cold, Robinson could box, punch, dance, defence, ring-savvy everything he did was superior to what Roy could do, Robinson was the complete package.

Silencers
08-15-2010, 03:16 AM
As Tengoshi said, Jones might just be the most naturally gifted fighter that has ever graced a boxing ring.

CarlosG815
08-15-2010, 04:00 AM
RJJ.....But SRR was a much greater fighter.

I disagree. Roy was more skilled and was the better fighter. In a H2H matchup I believe Roy beats SRR.

JAB5239
08-15-2010, 04:40 AM
Personally I don't think there was a more gifted fighter than Jones. Unfortunately that doesn't equal greatness (not that Jones isn't great) or ab Judha would be a legend.

turdleburgle
08-15-2010, 04:48 AM
I disagree. Roy was more skilled and was the better fighter. In a H2H matchup I believe Roy beats SRR.



no he isnt a better fighter.youd have to be ignorant to believe he is.everyone regards robinson as the best.

wmute
08-15-2010, 08:20 AM
As far as natural talent goes I have never seen anyone like Jones period. Sometimes he looked like an alien. Not the best fighter in the sport, but the most amazing athlete the sport has seen.

CarlosG815
08-15-2010, 11:53 AM
no he isnt a better fighter.youd have to be ignorant to believe he is.everyone regards robinson as the best.

Roy Jones would never lose to Jake Lamotta.

Ziggy Stardust
08-15-2010, 11:57 AM
Roy Jones would never lose to Jake Lamotta.

And we know this how? Jones never fought anyone on Lamotta's level who was in-prime and in-shape. No disrespect to Jones but his resume wasn't the strongest and I'm being charitable.

Poet

CarlosG815
08-15-2010, 12:00 PM
And we know this how? Jones never fought anyone on Lamotta's level who was in-prime and in-shape. No disrespect to Jones but his resume wasn't the strongest and I'm being charitable.

Poet

Lamotta didn't have the power or speed of Jones and he used his face to block punches. Jones being as big a puncher as he is with his lights out speed mixed with the fact that Lamotta will use his face to block big shots spells disaster for Jake.

Ziggy Stardust
08-15-2010, 03:58 PM
Lamotta didn't have the power or speed of Jones and he used his face to block punches. Jones being as big a puncher as he is with his lights out speed mixed with the fact that Lamotta will use his face to block big shots spells disaster for Jake.

Robinson had a pretty fair dose of speed and power himself.....check out the Graziano fight. Robinson also beat Lamotta 5 out of 6.

Still, triangle theories really don't work in boxing: Saying Jones would never lose to Lamotta therefore he's better than Robinson is akin to saying Mike Tyson would have never lost to Leon Spinks therefore Tyson is better than Muhammed Ali.....I can easily turn that around and say Ali would have never lost to Buster Douglas OR struggle with Pinklon Thomas and Bonecrusher Smith. Any triangle like that can be turned around which is why they don't work.

Poet

GoogleMe
08-15-2010, 04:05 PM
I were just about to say: You'll must've forgot.... But Ray Robinson could've been Roy's dad...