View Full Version : Who was the most ducked HW of the 1990's?


Joeyzagz
08-09-2010, 03:29 PM
Who did the top guys avoid the most from 1990-1999?:boxing:

sonnyboyx2
08-09-2010, 03:47 PM
Witherspoon 95, Bowe 93 & 95, Tyson 96, Hide 95-96, Holmes 92-94, Holyfield 93-96, Foreman 93-95, Sanders 95-98, Ruiz 97-99, Byrd 99-01, Jones Jr 00-01 .... All these fighters was Ducked by Lennox Lewis

Joeyzagz
08-09-2010, 04:42 PM
Witherspoon 95, Bowe 93 & 95, Tyson 96, Hide 95-96, Holmes 92-94, Holyfield 93-96, Foreman 93-95, Sanders 95-98, Ruiz 97-99, Byrd 99-01, Jones Jr 00-01 .... All these fighters was Ducked by Lennox Lewis

Jones Jr wasnt even a Heavyweight in the 1990's so nobody ducked him.

Set your biases aside and think: Which single fighter was avoided more than anyone else in the 1990's?

NChristo
08-09-2010, 04:43 PM
Razor Ruddock ?, not sure.

Tyson.
08-09-2010, 04:52 PM
Not Lewis.

He was not as big a draw as others in the division and only became champ in 98.

frankenfrank
08-09-2010, 04:54 PM
Probably David Tua and then Oliver McCall.
Tua defended titles like WBC international , USBA , IBF Inter-Continental and got 0 title shots throughout the 90s.
People consider the Tua whom fought Lewis as prime (I am not sure if it is true or wrong) , Tua was 28 then and after wars with Ibeabuchi , Izon , Rahman , Maskaev and at the same time they consider Tyson shot at 23.
Yes , I know Lewis is 7 years older than Tua , but fighters of Tua's "style" , or better : huge size disparity ; need their speed and stamina more than those who rely on their size advantage , such as : Ali , Foreman , Louis , Lewis and the Klitschko brothers , and therefore have a shorter prime , it also make them get hit more which shortens their primes even further.

Tua did not fight Tyson and Holyfield for some reason and they were , along Lewis the most dominant HWs of the 90s

Joeyzagz
08-09-2010, 05:49 PM
Razor Ruddock ?, not sure.

There is no right or wrong answer here. Ruddock was definitely avoided by after giving Tyson a run for is money. There were many mid-level guys like Ike, Sanders and Mccall who were ducked by top fighters.

Out of the big 5 Heavies, Id say that Lennox was the most ducked, and was ducked by all 4 of the other guys...

Foreman was desperate for a title in 93-94 but never mentioned WBC champ Lewis. He sat out over a year to wait for a soft title holder to come along. (Moorer) after losing to Evander and Morrison.

Tyson 96-97: King paid Lennox millions to step aside

Bowe 93: threw his own belt in the trash.

Holyfield 97-98: Im not sure what happened here, but Lennox would mention Holyfield/Tyson after every match following Mccall II. Evander elected to face Moorer and Vaughn Bean instead. Not really a duck, but Evander seemed reluctant.

BattlingNelson
08-09-2010, 05:52 PM
Brian Nielsen?

catalinul
08-09-2010, 06:04 PM
The 90's guys pretty much got fights between themselves.

I wouldn't say there was much ducking going on.

frankenfrank
08-09-2010, 06:44 PM
Except of the likes of Tucker and Akiwande only McCall agreed to face Orlin Norris during the 90s , if he got a shot against Moorer , Seldon , or even Holyfield , he could have been remembered as the shortest HW champion in history.

Calilloyd
08-09-2010, 09:34 PM
Who did the top guys avoid the most from 1990-1999?:boxing:

In my opinion, Lennox Lewis. Bowe clearly ducked him (giving up his belt) and Don King paid Lewis 4 million to step aside for Tyson-Holyfield. I can't recall any other HW that went through that in the 90's.

Calilloyd
08-09-2010, 09:38 PM
Witherspoon 95, Bowe 93 & 95, Tyson 96, Hide 95-96, Holmes 92-94, Holyfield 93-96, Foreman 93-95, Sanders 95-98, Ruiz 97-99, Byrd 99-01, Jones Jr 00-01 .... All these fighters was Ducked by Lennox Lewis

That's a pretty ridiculous list of fighters that "Lewis "ducked". And adding Bowe to that list is crazy.

sonnyboyx2
08-10-2010, 12:30 AM
That's a pretty ridiculous list of fighters that "Lewis "ducked". And adding Bowe to that list is crazy.

here is a couple of links to prove my case

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0eins2DhSo

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-05-14/sports/1993134195_1_lewis-newman-dan-duva

Ziggy Stardust
08-10-2010, 12:41 AM
Personally I get tired of this "so-and-so ducked so-and-so" stuff. Unless there's clear evidence (and NO, allegations are NOT evidence) the "duck" claim shouldn't be made.....just about every fighter one can name didn't fight a few contemporaries that might be considered worthy challengers: It doesn't mean they ducked them. Post procto hoc, ergo procto hoc is a logical fallacy my friends.

Poet

them_apples
08-10-2010, 12:45 AM
probably Foreman. Everyone he faced suddenly became a stick and move fighter for the first time in their careers. They were lucky he had no speed left.

Calilloyd
08-10-2010, 03:35 PM
here is a couple of links to prove my case

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0eins2DhSo

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1993-05-14/sports/1993134195_1_lewis-newman-dan-duva








Oh because reliable Rock Newman said it? OK........

sonnyboyx2
08-11-2010, 07:12 AM
Oh because reliable Rock Newman said it? OK........

Riddick Bowe says it in the video link... which is straight from the horses mouth.

here it is once again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0eins2DhSo

JAB5239
08-11-2010, 07:19 AM
Except of the likes of Tucker and Akiwande only McCall agreed to face Orlin Norris during the 90s , if he got a shot against Moorer , Seldon , or even Holyfield , he could have been remembered as the shortest HW champion in history.

The same Orlin Norris who had to scrape a SD to get past Marion Wilson? Lol, keep those jokes coming!!!

frankenfrank
08-11-2010, 08:29 AM
The same Orlin Norris who had to scrape a SD to get past Marion Wilson? Lol, keep those jokes coming!!!
What did you prove by that ? That Orln Norris still won ?
Ray Mercer drew with that same Marion Wilson.
Ray Mercer lost a UD to Jesse Fergusson and I doubt his SD over him.
Orlin Norris at least won against Jesse Fergusson (whom also outpointed James Douglas and Obed Sullivan) and outpointed McCall and Tucker and was actually robbed of the decision against Tucker in thier first fight.

If you try boxrecing to support your arguments , at least know how to do it properly without exposing your ignorance and stupidity.

Joeyzagz
08-11-2010, 10:23 AM
Riddick Bowe says it in the video link... which is straight from the horses mouth.

here it is once again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0eins2DhSo

A horse actually might be more coherent than the punch-drunk washed up whale in that video. When Bowe had all his faculties intact he used them to dodge Lennox and make a fool of himself on national television.

Rock Newman is a notorious hustler and swindler and admitted on the HBO special that it was in Bowe's best interest to not fight Lewis as a defense.

sonnyboyx2
08-11-2010, 01:15 PM
A horse actually might be more coherent than the punch-drunk washed up whale in that video. When Bowe had all his faculties intact he used them to dodge Lennox and make a fool of himself on national television.

Rock Newman is a notorious hustler and swindler and admitted on the HBO special that it was in Bowe's best interest to not fight Lewis as a defense.

are you saying Bowe is telling lies and that you are correct?

JAB5239
08-11-2010, 05:46 PM
What did you prove by that ? That Orln Norris still won ?
Ray Mercer drew with that same Marion Wilson.
Ray Mercer lost a UD to Jesse Fergusson and I doubt his SD over him.
Orlin Norris at least won against Jesse Fergusson (whom also outpointed James Douglas and Obed Sullivan) and outpointed McCall and Tucker and was actually robbed of the decision against Tucker in thier first fight.

If you try boxrecing to support your arguments , at least know how to do it properly without exposing your ignorance and stupidity.

The point is that Norris was a cruiserweight and never beat a viable heavyweight contender in the 90's, yet you're claiming he would have been the shortest heavyweight champion had he fought certain fighters. Sorry kid, but you're the only one exposing their ignorance and stupidity with your ridiculous triangle theories.