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sonnyboyx2
08-09-2010, 03:48 AM
Mike Tyson - Youngest Ever Undisputed Heavyweight Champion and the most exciting Heavyweight who ever lived, Time will show that Tyson was one of the ATGs of the sport "A Living Legend".... in his prime 1986-1990 it is debatable weather any fighter in history could have withstood the onslaught which he brought to the ring, Mike Tyson had it all : Speed, Strength, Ability, Chin, Ring-Craft and incredible knock-out power in both hands... Tyson was the ultimate Prizefighter and other than Muhammad Ali he would be favorite to beat any fighter in history.

Monkz
08-09-2010, 03:53 AM
Agreed, it's great to see him back in shape and in good spirits.

Sam Donald
08-09-2010, 04:10 AM
Yeah man 100%

turdleburgle
08-09-2010, 04:14 AM
I thought buster douglas already exposed this myth like twenty years ago? atleast lennox lewis joe louis evander holyfield and muhammad ali came back to avenge their losses,when did tyson ever do this?



He was good but never invincible like his fans claim.Lewis and Holyfield had the tools to beat him before he went to prison.

sonnyboyx2
08-09-2010, 04:55 AM
I thought buster douglas already exposed this myth like twenty years ago? atleast lennox lewis joe louis evander holyfield and muhammad ali came back to avenge their losses,when did tyson ever do this?



He was good but never invincible like his fans claim.Lewis and Holyfield had the tools to beat him before he went to prison.

ha haaa what a hater... i set this post up waiting for your response and you did not let me down haaa

Lewis had ample opportunities to fight Mike Tyson but ran scared for more than 10yrs even Tysons sparring partner put Lewis to sleep in less than 2rds... Tyson defended his undisputed title against the No1 contenders unlike Lewis who was "Stripped of every belt" for refusing to fight the No1 contenders.... Lewis was nothing more than a 1st round KO for Mike Tyson during the 1990s even when Tyson was years past his best and had served several prison sentences..... Danny Williams, Lennox Lewis & Kevin McBride managed to beat Mike Tyson when he was completely `SHOT` and in desperate need of money..

Lennox Lewis fans try their best to "Trash, Ridicule and assassinate the career and Living Legend that Mike Tyson is, so as to try to improve the standing of Lewis but it will never work because film-footage exists to disprove their case, the same footage exists of Lennox Lewis to prove what a boring opportunist fighter he was and that he avoided every fighter who was At the Top of their Game

GymRat
08-09-2010, 04:59 AM
Mike Tyson - Youngest Ever Undisputed Heavyweight Champion and the most exciting Heavyweight who ever lived, Time will show that Tyson was one of the ATGs of the sport "A Living Legend".... in his prime 1986-1990 it is debatable weather any fighter in history could have withstood the onslaught which he brought to the ring, Mike Tyson had it all : Speed, Strength, Ability, Chin, Ring-Craft and incredible knock-out power in both hands... Tyson was the ultimate Prizefighter and other than Muhammad Ali he would be favorite to beat any fighter in history.

Absolutely. Good to see someone who knows the sport give Mike his proper due. Although I disagree with you about Muhammad Ali, I support the rest of what you said 100%. The Mike of 1987 up until the Spinks fight would be the favorite to beat any other fighter of any era.

I thought buster douglas already exposed this myth like twenty years ago? atleast lennox lewis joe louis evander holyfield and muhammad ali came back to avenge their losses,when did tyson ever do this?


He was good but never invincible like his fans claim.Lewis and Holyfield had the tools to beat him before he went to prison.


Buster fought a Mike who was two years out of his prime. Mike's years of 1989-1992 was the worst period of his boxing career other than 2002-2005. Mike flattened Lennox Lewis in sparring in his early Catskill years and Holyfield would lose to a prime Mike, I feel.

sonnyboyx2
08-09-2010, 05:10 AM
Absolutely. Good to see someone who knows the sport give Mike his proper due. Although I disagree with you about Muhammad Ali, I support the rest of what you said 100%. The Mike of 1987 up until the Spinks fight would be the favorite to beat any other fighter of any era.



Buster fought a Mike who was two years out of his prime. Mike's years of 1989-1992 was the worst period of his boxing career other than 2002-2005. Mike flattened Lennox Lewis in sparring in his early Catskill years and Holyfield would lose to a prime Mike, I feel.

True in what you say that Mike butchered Lewis in the early years up at catskill with Lewis running scared for the next 25yrs... Lewis turned down $13 million in 1996 to fight Tyson and waited another 6yrs unto Tyson had completely self-destructed... these Lewis nuthuggers live in a dream world

turdleburgle
08-09-2010, 05:14 AM
ha haaa what a hater... i set this post up waiting for your response and you did not let me down haaa

Lewis had ample opportunities to fight Mike Tyson but ran scared for more than 10yrs even Tysons sparring partner put Lewis to sleep in less than 2rds... Tyson defended his undisputed title against the No1 contenders unlike Lewis who was "Stripped of every belt" for refusing to fight the No1 contenders.... Lewis was nothing more than a 1st round KO for Mike Tyson during the 1990s even when Tyson was years past his best and had served several prison sentences..... Danny Williams, Lennox Lewis & Kevin McBride managed to beat Mike Tyson when he was completely `SHOT` and in desperate need of money..

Lennox Lewis fans try their best to "Trash, Ridicule and assassinate the career and Living Legend that Mike Tyson is, so as to try to improve the standing of Lewis but it will never work because film-footage exists to disprove their case, the same footage exists of Lennox Lewis to prove what a boring opportunist fighter he was and that he avoided every fighter who was At the Top of their Game





lol at you calling me a hater,this is coming from a guy who goes out his way to discredit lewis.wasnt lewis who ducked tyson mate,tyson was always scared of lewis.he ducked him for six years before they did fight because he knew hed get beaten up and sparked out by lewis.



tyson was no living legend just a myth that was created by highlight clips of him knocking out stiffs and part timers.

turdleburgle
08-09-2010, 05:20 AM
Buster fought a Mike who was two years out of his prime. Mike's years of 1989-1992 was the worst period of his boxing career other than 2002-2005. Mike flattened Lennox Lewis in sparring in his early Catskill years and Holyfield would lose to a prime Mike, I feel.



A journeyman who had just lost his mother fought a prime tyson and not only beat him but also dominated and exposed him.these excuses have been used for many years by tyson nuthuggers.



lewis got right back up and beat up tyson not that it matters as lewis was still an amateur at the time.lewis and holyfield were not afraid of the rapist and thug like that cant handle it when someone stands up to him.

GymRat
08-09-2010, 05:33 AM
A journeyman who had just lost his mother fought a prime tyson and not only beat him but also dominated and exposed him.these excuses have been used for many years by tyson nuthuggers.



lewis got right back up and beat up tyson not that it matters as lewis was still an amateur at the time.lewis and holyfield were not afraid of the rapist and thug like that cant handle it when someone stands up to him.

Sorry to break it to you but Mike's prime ended right after he fought Spinks (1988). I don't think you've ever watched Tyson vs. Douglas. If you did, you would see that Mike's performance and skill level was an F from the first round onward. A D minus fighter like Douglas doesn't come a long and beat a prime Mike Tyson, even in fantasy match up. Isn't it enough of a hint to you that Mike's corner was using a condom filled with ice water to help Mike's face not swell?

sonnyboyx2
08-09-2010, 05:52 AM
A journeyman who had just lost his mother fought a prime tyson and not only beat him but also dominated and exposed him.these excuses have been used for many years by tyson nuthuggers.



lewis got right back up and beat up tyson not that it matters as lewis was still an amateur at the time.lewis and holyfield were not afraid of the rapist and thug like that cant handle it when someone stands up to him.

That journeyman Buster Douglas knocked Oliver McCall from pillar-to-Post the same McCall who poleaxed Lennox Lewis in less than 2rds.

turdleburgle
08-09-2010, 06:00 AM
Sorry to break it to you but Mike's prime ended right after he fought Spinks (1988). I don't think you've ever watched Tyson vs. Douglas. If you did, you would see that Mike's performance and skill level was an F from the first round onward. A D minus fighter like Douglas doesn't come a long and beat a prime Mike Tyson, even in fantasy match up. Isn't it enough of a hint to you that Mike's corner was using a condom filled with ice water to help Mike's face not swell?



Sorry to break it to you but nuthuggers dont decide when a fighters prime ends.Tyson went through no long lay offs or any serious injury that hampered his career and was the same fighter in 1990 as he was in 1988.I've seen the fight many times and its a fight that ranks up there with the best Ive ever seen.the underdog who exposed the great myth.



tysons corner slapping a condom against his face has nothing to do with the fact that he was dominated in every single round.

turdleburgle
08-09-2010, 06:04 AM
That journeyman Buster Douglas knocked Oliver McCall from pillar-to-Post the same McCall who poleaxed Lennox Lewis in less than 2rds.




the same mccall who was dominated in a rematch with lewis exposing his fluke ko? lol is this the same guy were talking about? when did tyson ever avenge a defeat then?



are u still mad that lewis bullied you at school or something?

SBleeder
08-09-2010, 06:32 AM
Buster fought a Mike who was two years out of his prime. Mike's years of 1989-1992 was the worst period of his boxing career other than 2002-2005. Mike flattened Lennox Lewis in sparring in his early Catskill years and Holyfield would lose to a prime Mike, I feel.

23 years old and out of his prime. Wow, what a legend. :lame:

Since apparently begin lazy in the gym now means being past one's prime, I submit that Buster Douglas' prime began and ended with the Tyson fight. James "Buster" Douglas, GOAT.

Tyson fought in perhaps the weakest era in heavyweight history and was still challenged by guys like Quick Tillis and Tony Tucker.

Toney616
08-09-2010, 06:45 AM
23 years old and out of his prime. Wow, what a legend. :lame:

Since apparently begin lazy in the gym now means being past one's prime, I submit that Buster Douglas' prime began and ended with the Tyson fight. James "Buster" Douglas, GOAT.

Tyson fought in perhaps the weakest era in heavyweight history and was still challenged by guys like Quick Tillis and Tony Tucker.
A motivated Buster Douglas was a damned good fighter, the Douglas who fought Tyson would of given a lot of top hw's a hard time as well

sonnyboyx2
08-09-2010, 07:10 AM
the same mccall who was dominated in a rematch with lewis exposing his fluke ko? lol is this the same guy were talking about? when did tyson ever avenge a defeat then?



are u still mad that lewis bullied you at school or something?

Lewis got McCall out of a drug-rehab and was to afraid to throw a punch on him when he broke down in the ring... Lewis was terrified of Mike Tyson so much so that Lewis had to have the ring cordoned-off with dozens of police officers during the introductions... Talk about a guy who is ****-scared

Tyson.
08-09-2010, 07:29 AM
Mike Tyson is better than Lewis Prime for Prime.

Like it has been said earlier Tyson would KO Lewis.

Toney616
08-09-2010, 07:46 AM
Tyson fought in perhaps the weakest era in heavyweight history and was still challenged by guys like Quick Tillis and Tony Tucker.
The hw divison hasnt exactly been overflowing with talent post 70's, he beat the guys that were put in front of him, what more can he do?

Boogie Nights
08-09-2010, 07:59 AM
he will never be in top ten on most people's lists, although i think he's done more than jersey walcott, marciano, dempsey, or johnson all the guys that are rated above him. really when you break down their records there's really not that much to rival in terms of accomlishments.

dempsey avoided black fighters and was inconsistent during his reign

marciano while went undefeated fought guys on the way down, not to mention that 80% of the guys he fought were no better than foreman's early opponents

walcott was a jorneyman who was in the right place in the wrong time

and johnson while being the first black champion avoided most good fighters who were a threat to him

mike gets too much shyt while the other guys conviniently get a pass

GymRat
08-09-2010, 08:02 AM
Just for the record, being lazy at the gym and suffering harshly from it in the ring is considered falling out of your prime, no?

Mike Tyson after firing Kevin Rooney after the Spinks fight in 1988 was a fraction of what he was. Nothing you ever say will change that. He lost his reflexes, his timing, his speed, his ability to to throw combinations, his stamina, his head movement, his defense, his everything. If you can't see that from his 1988 fights vs. any fight in 1990, you don't need to be in the debate. Facts are facts. Pretend all you want to.

Mike had the death of Cus D'Amato, the death of Jimmy Jacobs, the Don King-Bill Cayton fiasco, the Robin Givens and Ruth Roper situation, bad influences like Rory Holloway and John Horne, his own immaturity, his lack of will for boxing, the false rape accusation by Desiree Washington, nightlife and friends, the lies and ruthlessness of Don King, his unwinding of his friendship with Kevin Rooney, etc., etc., etc. all hanging over his head and disrupting his boxing and training.

It would take more than just Cus being alive to keep Tyson in line. To keep Tyson in line and in the game, the following ingredients were needed:

1.) Jim Jacobs and/or Cus D'Amato
2.) Kevin Rooney
3.) Mike's discipline, heart, and willpower.
4.) Lack of bad influences and distractions such as Robin Givens, Ruth Roper, Don King, Rory Holloway, and John Horne (none of the last three would have entered Mike's life had Cus and/or Jimmy remained alive).

So back to the point: the facts are the facts. Your opinion or personal hatred of Mike doesn't change them.

-Lowkey-
08-09-2010, 08:13 AM
How Good Was/Is Mike Tyson?

By Frank Scoblete
30 January 2000

Now that Mike Tyson's career is almost over, it might be of interest to take a cold hard look at just how good he was at his best to get some idea of where he stands in the rankings of the great heavyweight champions.

It is not a stretch to say that much of the fearsome Tyson persona of a decade or more ago was media hype and was little related to what he actually accomplished in the ring or against whom he accomplished it.

We can make a case that Tyson fought "never-wases" and "nothing-lefters" in his early career culminating with his knockout over an intimidated former light-heavyweight champion Michael Spinks, whose only real claim to fame was "winning" two controversial decisions against an aging and distracted Larry Holmes.

Other than the light-hitting, terrified Spinks and the out-of-shape, intimidated, comebacking, former great Larry Holmes, who did Tyson actually fight in his pre-prison days who was truly any good in absolute terms? If we measure competition based on who Ali faced, then who of all Tyson's pre-prison opponents was as good as Jerry Quarry, Oscar Bonavena, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, Ernie Shavers, Joe Bugner, Mac Foster, Floyd Patterson, Zora Foley, Cleveland Williams, Jimmy Ellis, Bob Foster or Ernie Terrell, not to mention the awesome likes of all-time greats Sonny Liston, George Foreman or Smokin' Joe Frazier? Would you classify Bonecrusher Smith, Tony Tucker, Trevor Berbick or Frank Bruno with any those other fighters? Only if you never saw them fight!

The only real fight the pre-prison Tyson ever had was against the only decent heavyweight fighter he fought, a determined, well-conditioned Buster Douglas -- and Tyson was roundly beaten, battered and knocked out! That was Tyson in his prime, against a fighter who went on to "extinguish" himself by being knocked out in three rounds by Evander Holyfield.

If the pre-prison Tyson's boxing worth must be looked at with some skepticism, then the post-prison Tyson must be looked upon with scorn. Often in boxing, the true greatness of a fighter is not actually known when he is in his prime as he defeats opponent after opponent rather convincingly. It is only after he ages, slows down, and gets himself into wars are we aware of just how good the fighter is -- and was!

Certainly that was true of Ali. Before he made his comeback from an almost four-year forced layoff, there were all sorts of questions about his ability. Could he take a punch? Had he been beating up washed-up fighters? Did he have courage? Would he dog it if he were ever in a real fight? The layoff slowed Ali down, made him more vulnerable. What's more, great fighters appeared in that time, fighters better than any he had previously fought!

So a somewhat diminished Ali met each and every challenger -- starting with a comeback fight against highly ranked Jerry Quarry and then a second fight against vicious number-one contender Oscar Bonavena. His first career loss to Joe Frazier in his third comeback fight proved he could take a punch and that he had mountains of courage. That fight was the first of several "wars" Ali would fight in this second part of his career.

His next loss was to Ken Norton. Fighting 11 rounds with a broken jaw, Ali merely proved again that he was as courageous as any fighter who ever lived. His great victories against these very same fighters and his upset win over the god-like Foreman, showed what a great fighter he was -- and how much greater he had been before his layoff!

Not so with Tyson. His "layoff" was heralded with a return to the ring against a rank amateur, Peter McNeeley, whom Tyson "destroyed" with a wild flurry in round one. This same McNeeley was later knocked out by the bloated Butterbean in one round and has since lost just about every real fight he's had! And what of Buster Mathis, Jr., Bruce "I was knocked out by a gust of air" Seldon, Francois Botha, or Julian Francis? Are they credible opponents? Only if elephants can fly.

The only real fight the post-prison Tyson had of any significance was against Evander Holyfield, who was selected because he appeared to be a shot fighter, having lost two out of three to the disappointing Riddick Bowe. Had Tyson known that Holyfield was not a shot fighter, but actually the only great heavyweight of the 1990s, I'm sure he would have selected a different fighter to beat, perhaps a third go-round with the overrated Razor Ruddock who proved himself a worthy Tyson contender by being knocked out in one round by the otherwise cautious Lennox Lewis.

So here we have a very simple yardstick for measuring the greatness of Mike Tyson. He fought two hard fights, one pre-prison and one post-prison -- both of which he lost (subsequently, he ate his way to a third loss and fouled himself into a no-decision). The rest of his victories, pre-prison and post-prison, were over fighters who couldn't make the "C" list during Ali's tenure. So where does that put him on the list of all-time greats?

It doesn't. He doesn't belong. He's not even in the top 20!

If you think of the very few good heavyweight fighters who have plied their trade in the late 1980s and 1990s, it is a short list: Evander Holyfield, George Foreman (oh, yes, the Big George who fought Holyfield would have rocked Iron Mike just as he did Smokin' Joe), Riddick Bowe, and maybe Lennox Lewis and Michael Moorer. Tyson only fought one of them, and lost. The others he avoided.

I do not, as some writers do, lament the fact that Mike Tyson never lived up to his potential. In fact, I believe he did live up to it, fully, completely. His potential just wasn't all that great and that's what he became -- not all that great.

-Lowkey-
08-09-2010, 08:14 AM
Sorry to break it to you but Mike's prime ended right after he fought Spinks (1988). I don't think you've ever watched Tyson vs. Douglas. If you did, you would see that Mike's performance and skill level was an F from the first round onward. A D minus fighter like Douglas doesn't come a long and beat a prime Mike Tyson, even in fantasy match up. Isn't it enough of a hint to you that Mike's corner was using a condom filled with ice water to help Mike's face not swell?

so he had a prime of just 2 years and hes an ATG ha

SBleeder
08-09-2010, 08:29 AM
The hw divison hasnt exactly been overflowing with talent post 70's, he beat the guys that were put in front of him, what more can he do?

Perhaps beat Douglas.

Just for the record, being lazy at the gym and suffering harshly from it in the ring is considered falling out of your prime, no?


No, no it isn't. Only Tyson fans think that.

GymRat
08-09-2010, 08:45 AM
I think the whole Buster Douglas argument is funny. If Mike had beaten Douglas, Douglas would be "just another bum" on Mike's resume to you. Sad. Rather than viewing the man and his skills as he was at the top of his game, people resort to pointing to his resume. In his prime he had it all and beat everyone he needed to beat. So unless you have a time machine and were able to convince the 1988 Tyson to go back in time and fight Joe Louis, etc., you can only speculate who would have won. If you're referencing Tyson at any other period than after the Spinks fight, you're not talking about the real Tyson as far as I'm concerned.

Toney616
08-09-2010, 09:16 AM
Perhaps beat Douglas.

Unforetunately they never got a chance to make a rematch, which would of been a great fight

Toney616
08-09-2010, 09:36 AM
How Good Was/Is Mike Tyson?

By Frank Scoblete
30 January 2000

Now that Mike Tyson's career is almost over, it might be of interest to take a cold hard look at just how good he was at his best to get some idea of where he stands in the rankings of the great heavyweight champions.

Don't you think that that article is a bit biased? Spinks clearly won the first Holmes fight and as for Tyson ducking Moorer, lol

SBleeder
08-09-2010, 10:50 AM
I think the whole Buster Douglas argument is funny. If Mike had beaten Douglas, Douglas would be "just another bum" on Mike's resume to you. Sad. Rather than viewing the man and his skills as he was at the top of his game, people resort to pointing to his resume. In his prime he had it all and beat everyone he needed to beat. So unless you have a time machine and were able to convince the 1988 Tyson to go back in time and fight Joe Louis, etc., you can only speculate who would have won. If you're referencing Tyson at any other period than after the Spinks fight, you're not talking about the real Tyson as far as I'm concerned.

Tyson was in his prime against Douglas; only Tyson fanboys think otherwise. And Douglas didn't just beat him, he dominated him.

GymRat
08-09-2010, 11:20 AM
Tyson was in his prime against Douglas; only Tyson fanboys think otherwise. And Douglas didn't just beat him, he dominated him.

This is where it comes to and end because you realize your whole argument against Tyson falls apart if indeed Tyson was out of his prime when he fought Douglas.

Guess what, he was out of his prime by roughly two years. Any random person who watches a 1987/88 Tyson fight and then watches the Douglas fight can see that, yet alone a boxing fan or Mike Tyson fan. Mike had to crash diet 30-40 pounds three weeks before he fought Douglas. Kevin Rooney (the only guy in Mike's camp who wouldn't have been a "yes man" and who would make Tyson train) was long gone, replaced by a bunch of dimwits who knew nothing (remember they reduced Tyson's swelling with condom filled with ice water in the Douglas fight for God's sake). He wasn't doing any gym work at all for months leading up to that fight. I don't need to do your homework for you, go look it up. It's well known that Tyson was a D-level inactive fighter by the time he fought Douglas. But people with an agenda like you like to ignore that because that's the only thing you can use against Tyson. If you can't see that with your own eyes, I doubt reading the history and facts will help you anyway.

SBleeder
08-09-2010, 11:34 AM
This is where it comes to and end because you realize your whole argument against Tyson falls apart if indeed Tyson was out of his prime when he fought Douglas.

Guess what, he was out of his prime by roughly two years. Any random person who watches a 1987/88 Tyson fight and then watches the Douglas fight can see that, yet alone a boxing fan or Mike Tyson fan. Mike had to crash diet 30-40 pounds three weeks before he fought Douglas. Kevin Rooney (the only guy in Mike's camp who wouldn't have been a "yes man" and who would make Tyson train) was long gone, replaced by a bunch of dimwits who knew nothing (remember they reduced Tyson's swelling with condom filled with ice water in the Douglas fight for God's sake). He wasn't doing any gym work at all for months leading up to that fight. I don't need to do your homework for you, go look it up. It's well known that Tyson was a D-level inactive fighter by the time he fought Douglas. But people with an agenda like you like to ignore that because that's the only thing you can use against Tyson. If you can't see that with your own eyes, I doubt reading the history and facts will help you anyway.


So a fighter is now "past his prime" if he CHOOSES to be lazy and allows lousy people into his life? Fascinating.

Every fighter is an ATG if we define their prime as "the period when they weren't losing.

Actually, I'M the greatest fighter who's ever lived. My prime lasted for one round against the double-end bag in my basement, back on November 4, 2006. I was unstoppable. But alas, I've been lazy ever since. But in my prime, nobody could have beaten me. If I had trained harder, I would be able to knock out the Klitschko's in 30 seconds each.

Or how about this guy? (http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=18949&cat=boxer) He was great in his prime. Unfortunately, his prime only lasted for one fight- his second career bout- where he scored a knockout. After that he just stopped training and had bad people around him, which of course means that a guy is simply "past his prime", which relieves him of having to work hard.

Get real. Being past one's prime means suffering an injury, or being forced out of action, or simply falling victim to age and over-experience. Simply quitting does not save a fighter's legacy. Tyson was 23 years old in and perfectly capable of training hard.


Great fighters, "legends", overcome hard stuff.

I've watched Tyson-Douglas literally dozens of times. I watched it back in 1990 too. Tyson was indeed a lousy fighter that night. And if that were due to age, an injury, or something outside of his control, I would concede that that loss shouldn't be held against him. But that's not the case. Tyson chose to let himself go, and therefore is not an ATG. He ranks in the top 100 of all-time fighters, not much higher.

Joeyzagz
08-09-2010, 11:37 AM
Tyson is Dempsey's black twin brother.

They were dominant against average to competition, but failed against the first decent boxer they ran into.

Gene Tunney beats Dempsey 6/10 prime for prime
Holyfield beats Tyson 8/10 prime for prime

GymRat
08-09-2010, 11:49 AM
So a fighter is now "past his prime" if he CHOOSES to be lazy and allows lousy people into his life? Fascinating.

Yes. Whatever the reasons may be, at the end of the day they are still past their prime, no? If I choose to throw a ham sandwich into a sewer, I no longer have that ham sandwich, do I? Whether I chose to do it or not, I no longer have it. Get it? Mike's prime was taken from him probably through only half of the things he had a choice over anyway.


Every fighter is an ATG if we define their prime as "the period when they weren't losing.

Actually, I'M the greatest fighter who's ever lived. My prime lasted for one round against the double-end bag in my basement, back on November 4, 2006. I was unstoppable. But alas, I've been lazy ever since. But in my prime, nobody could have beaten me. If I had trained harder, I would be able to knock out the Klitschko's in 30 seconds each.

Or how about this guy? (http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=18949&cat=boxer) He was great in his prime. Unfortunately, his prime only lasted for one fight- his second career bout- where he scored a knockout. After that he just stopped training and had bad people around him, which of course means that a guy is simply "past his prime", which relieves him of having to work hard.

Have you or that guy cleaned out your divisions and unified the belts and been the youngest and most exciting heavyweight champions of the world? No? Didn't think so. Case closed.

Twist it however you want it. At the end of the day, it all boils down to:
1.) Tyson was in his absolute prime in 1987 and up until the Spinks fight of 1988.
2.). Tyson was far past his prime (through the reasons I listed, which do indeed include reasons he had control or choice over) when he fought Buster Douglas, and in the fights after the Spinks fight which was his last fight with Kevin Rooney.
3.) He is an ATG because he defeated everyone on the list at the time who needed to be defeated, he unified the belts, he cleaned out (and struck fear) into the heavyweight division, he was the youngest world champion on record, and is one of (if not the) the most recognized people of boxing and the world.

SBleeder
08-09-2010, 11:57 AM
Yes. Whatever the reasons may be, at the end of the day they are still past their prime, no? If I choose to throw a ham sandwich into a sewer, I no longer have that ham sandwich, do I? Whether I chose to do it or not, I no longer have it. Get it? Mike's prime was taken from him probably through only half of the things he had a choice over anyway.
Wow, what a great analogy. Have you ever considered being a teacher?

Let me ask you this: When did Leon Spinks' prime begin, and end?



Have you or that guy cleaned out your divisions and unified the belts and been the youngest and most exciting heavyweight champions of the world? No? Didn't think so. Case closed.

Twist it however you want it. At the end of the day, it all boils down to:
1.) Tyson was in his absolute prime in 1987 and up until the Spinks fight of 1988.
2.). Tyson was far past his prime (through the reasons I listed, which do indeed include reasons he had control or choice over) when he fought Buster Douglas, and in the fights after the Spinks fight which was his last fight with Kevin Rooney.
3.) He is an ATG because he defeated everyone on the list at the time who needed to be defeated, he unified the belts, he cleaned out (and struck fear) into the heavyweight division, he was the youngest world champion on record, and is one of (if not the) the most recognized people of boxing and the world.


No, but I could have unified the titles and cleaned out the division in my prime. You'll just have to believe me. I get to decide when my prime was, after all, and even though I've never beaten a great fighter in their prime, I'm still the GOAT, since my lack of accomplishments were solely the result of being lazy in the gym.

I could have beaten Buster Douglas in my prime, too. I just didn't feel like it, and that's ok. Because I***8217;m good enough, I***8217;m smart enough, and dog-gone it, people like me. Heavyweight champions shouldn't have to prepare for championship fights.

Besides, 23 years old is practically senior-citizenry. How could Tyson not be past his prime after three years of pro experience?

UH-OH!!! I just pooped myself. But no problem- I'm past my prime.

For some silly reason, I always thought that a champion was supposed to work hard and keep himself together mentally. But I'm glad that that's not necessary. All we have to do is slap the phrase "past his prime" on every crappy fight a guy has and he's all of a sudden a legend.

GymRat
08-09-2010, 12:05 PM
Wow, what a great analogy. Have you ever considered being a teacher?

Let me ask you this: When did Leon Spinks' prime begin, and end?



No, but I could have unified the titles and cleaned out the division in my prime. You'll just have to believe me. I get to decide when my prime was, after all, and even though I've never beaten a great fighter in their prime, I'm still the GOAT, my lack of accomplishments were solely the result of being lazy in the gym.

For some silly reason, I always thought that a champion was supposed to work hard and keep himself together mentally. But I'm glad that that's not necessary. All we have to do is slap the phrase "past his prime" on every crappy fight a guy has and he's all of a sudden a legend.

I wouldn't know when Leon Spink's prime began and ended, but I do know that probably 99% of boxers have had a prime and then a past prime era, Mike included. You not knowing that makes you look dumb, no offense.

Feel how you want to feel. Nothing you say can change history or the facts. I suppose you think Muhammad Ali was in his prime when Trevor Berbick beat him, right? Or you think that Roy Jones Jr. was in his prime when Danny Green beat him too. Or how about the guy you're arguing for: Buster Douglas. The guy trained for his fights by eating 400 pounds of cake and he's lost almost every fight he's been in. I still think it's funny that instead of responding to the facts as they've been presented to you, you choose to make up silly analogies and dodge the facts at hand, while showing yourself as a moron for not knowing that fighters have a prime and past-prime.

SBleeder
08-09-2010, 12:16 PM
I wouldn't know when Leon Spink's prime began and ended, but I do know that probably 99% of boxers have had a prime and then a past prime era, Mike included. You not knowing that makes you look dumb, no offense.

Feel how you want to feel. Nothing you say can change history or the facts. I suppose you think Muhammad Ali was in his prime when Trevor Berbick beat him, right? Or you think that Roy Jones Jr. was in his prime when Danny Green beat him too. Or how about the guy you're arguing for: Buster Douglas. The guy trained for his fights by eating 400 pounds of cake and he's lost almost every fight he's been in. I still think it's funny that instead of responding to the facts as they've been presented to you, you choose to make up silly analogies and dodge the facts at hand, while showing yourself as a moron for not knowing that fighters have a prime and past-prime.

Are you really this retarded?

Ali was 39 years old against Berbick and had fought 540 rounds. He had taken punishment from some of the hardest punchers and toughest fighters in history. He was physically torn to shreds from age and experience.

Tyson was 23 years old, had boxed only 126 rounds, and had never been hurt, nor gone through a long layoff. He was at an age when he should have been at his best. He had some adversity and folded.

One man was "past his prime", the other simply was lazy and mentally weak. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

GymRat
08-09-2010, 12:23 PM
Are you really this retarded?

Ali was 39 years old against Berbick and had fought 540 rounds. He had taken punishment from some of the hardest punchers and toughest fighters in history. He was physically torn to shreds from age and experience.

Tyson was 23 years old, had boxed only 126 rounds, and had never been hurt, nor gone through a long layoff. He was at an age when he should have been at his best. He had some adversity and folded.

One man was "past his prime", the other simply was lazy and mentally weak. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

You have now admitted that Mike Tyson was not indeed in his prime during the Buster Douglas fight. Thank you. You could have simply admitted to this from the beginning and saved us all this time and effort.

Tyson.
08-09-2010, 12:24 PM
Tyson is an ATG not just heavyweight but P4P also.

Anyone who denies this is most likely a racist bigot who looks at someones personal life instead of what they achieved in the ring. Anyone who doesnt recognise his greatness should follow another sport.

SBleeder
08-09-2010, 12:29 PM
You have now admitted that Mike Tyson was not indeed in his prime during the Buster Douglas fight. Thank you. You could have simply admitted to this from the beginning and saved us all this time and effort.

Fail. There's a difference between being at one's best and being in one's prime. One is within a fighter's control, the other isn't.

You want me to agree with you? Fine:

I will agree that Mike Tyson was great...

as long as he wasn't 22 years old and had Kevin Rooney with him and it hadn't been too long since D'Amato died and Don King and Robin Givens weren't in his life and he was training hard and wasn't banging Japanese hookers and as long as the other guy wasn't tall with a good jab like Tucker and Tillis and as long as every other possible condition was aligned in his favor... then sure, best EVER.

GymRat
08-09-2010, 12:32 PM
Fail. There's a difference between being at one's best and being in one's prime. One is within a fighter's control, the other isn't.

You want me to agree with you? Fine:

I will agree that Mike Tyson was great...

as long as he wasn't 22 years old and had Kevin Rooney with him and it hadn't been too long since D'Amato died and Don King and Robin Givens weren't in his life and he was training hard and wasn't banging Japanese hookers and as long as the other guy wasn't tall with a good jab like Tucker and Tillis and as long as every other possible condition was aligned in his favor... then sure, best EVER.

Mike Tyson beat Tucker and Tillis. But other than that, I thank you.

SBleeder
08-09-2010, 12:43 PM
Mike Tyson beat Tucker and Tillis. But other than that, I thank you.

Both guys pushed him. And neither had a lot of talent. Both took 4 rounds; Tucker did so with a broken hand.

GymRat
08-09-2010, 12:45 PM
Both guys pushed him. And neither had a lot of talent. Both took 4 rounds; Tucker did so with a broken hand.

But in the end they lost and Mike won, no?

SBleeder
08-09-2010, 01:25 PM
But in the end they lost and Mike won, no?

Sure. But if Tyson struggles with guys like those, how could he beat guys with ten times their talent who fought similar styles?

GymRat
08-09-2010, 01:34 PM
Sure. But if Tyson struggles with guys like those, how could he beat guys with ten times their talent who fought similar styles?

Who knows. Luck? More training? A different approach? Fighters struggle during matches all the time. It's not a reason for holding back their due and certainly isn't a reason to keep them out of the ATG books.

My guess is if Tyson won those fights he didn't struggle too much and the other guys were struggling more. The bottom line is that Mike Tyson is an ATG, whether or not you think he was in his prime for Douglas or not. Other than citing that defeat (and not responding to the points I've listed Mike as an ATG for), you have no argument for saying Mike isn't an ATG other than "he lost to Buster Douglas" and "he was overrated".

Forza
08-09-2010, 02:00 PM
Tyson fans are retarded, you say tyson was in his prime from 85-89 because he fought 99% bums those years. The fact remains that tyson folded against guys that were actually good boxers. Evander, lewis and even douglass. All 3 made him look like a fool. Tyson was just a glorified bum beater with a hard punch. His style was painfully easy to expose and he was as mentally stable as a 13 year old fat girl with image issues.

His only good win was against spinks, who beat up an old ass ali and robbed holmes.

GymRat
08-09-2010, 02:03 PM
Tyson fans are retarded, you say tyson was in his prime from 85-89 because he fought 99% bums those years. The fact remains that tyson folded against guys that were actually good boxers. Evander, lewis and even douglass. All 3 made him look like a fool. Tyson was just a glorified bum beater with a hard punch. His style was painfully easy to expose and he was as mentally stable as a 13 year old fat girl with image issues.

His only good win was against spinks, who beat up an old ass ali and robbed holmes.

Your opinion has been noted.

Forza
08-09-2010, 02:10 PM
Tyson is an ATG not just heavyweight but P4P also.

Anyone who denies this is most likely a racist bigot who looks at someones personal life instead of what they achieved in the ring. Anyone who doesnt recognise his greatness should follow another sport.

Lmao, nobody in boxing cares about his personal life. The truth is in the RING, he looked good against nobodies, and average to below average against top boxers.

Tyson was a media myth created to generate cash for those surrounded by him. " The young savage black kid from the streets with explosive power! Order now for $59.99! " The casual fans like to see a good knock out and a guy that isn't boring, and they ate it up. Everyone in the boxing business knew not to believe the hype and that somebody would eventually brutalize him in the ring.

sonnyboyx2
08-09-2010, 02:10 PM
Tyson fans are retarded, you say tyson was in his prime from 85-89 because he fought 99% bums those years. The fact remains that tyson folded against guys that were actually good boxers. Evander, lewis and even douglass. All 3 made him look like a fool. Tyson was just a glorified bum beater with a hard punch. His style was painfully easy to expose and he was as mentally stable as a 13 year old fat girl with image issues.

His only good win was against spinks, who beat up an old ass ali and robbed holmes.
Tyson lost to Lewis 12yrs after his defeat to Douglas and was well and truely shot... Lewis victory over Tyson is no better than Danny Williams or McBrides win over him.. at least Williams and McBride did not need the ring cordoned off by 30 police officers like Lewis did

Forza
08-09-2010, 02:13 PM
Tyson lost to Lewis 12yrs after his defeat to Douglas and was well and truely shot... Lewis victory over Tyson is no better than Danny Williams or McBrides win over him.. at least Williams and McBride did not need the ring cordoned off by 30 police officers like Lewis did

You say 12 years like tyson came in at 40 years old. Tyson lost to douglas when he was what, 23 years old? LMAO, most boxers don't even make their pro debut that young.

GymRat
08-09-2010, 02:18 PM
You say 12 years like tyson came in at 40 years old. Tyson lost to douglas when he was what, 23 years old? LMAO, most boxers don't even make their pro debut that young.

Age doesn't have much to do with it. Conditions and circumstances do, as discussed several times previously in this thread. A person's age doesn't represent their mental or physical state. A person can be heavyweight to be reckoned with at the age of 19 or 20 and then be a lard ass over-pressured and over-partying mental case by the age of 23.

res
08-09-2010, 04:42 PM
Yes. Whatever the reasons may be, at the end of the day they are still past their prime, no? If I choose to throw a ham sandwich into a sewer, I no longer have that ham sandwich, do I? Whether I chose to do it or not, I no longer have it. Get it? Mike's prime was taken from him probably through only half of the things he had a choice over anyway.



Have you or that guy cleaned out your divisions and unified the belts and been the youngest and most exciting heavyweight champions of the world? No? Didn't think so. Case closed.

Twist it however you want it. At the end of the day, it all boils down to:
1.) Tyson was in his absolute prime in 1987 and up until the Spinks fight of 1988.
2.). Tyson was far past his prime (through the reasons I listed, which do indeed include reasons he had control or choice over) when he fought Buster Douglas, and in the fights after the Spinks fight which was his last fight with Kevin Rooney.
3.) He is an ATG because he defeated everyone on the list at the time who needed to be defeated, he unified the belts, he cleaned out (and struck fear) into the heavyweight division, he was the youngest world champion on record, and is one of (if not the) the most recognized people of boxing and the world.

The words i put in bold are really the bottom line of posts asserting that Tyson was better than and could beat any other heavyweight. .

Ziggy Stardust
08-09-2010, 07:45 PM
Tyson is an ATG not just heavyweight but P4P also.

Anyone who denies this is most likely a racist bigot who looks at someones personal life instead of what they achieved in the ring. Anyone who doesnt recognise his greatness should follow another sport.

Tyson is an ATG Heavyweight but he's NOT a p4p ATG. Bringing race into it is very likely to get you a reputation for being a troll looking to wind people up......save that sh1t for NSB and the 'Dome.

Poet

Tyson.
08-09-2010, 08:18 PM
Tyson is an ATG Heavyweight but he's NOT a p4p ATG. Bringing race into it is very likely to get you a reputation for being a troll looking to wind people up......save that sh1t for NSB and the 'Dome.

Poet

Tyson is both an ATG heavyweight and a P4P ATG. Few boxers in the history of boxing have built up such an invinvible aura about them and have destroyed their divisions like he did. The people who deny his greatness are often people like you the clueless type.

Morales

Ziggy Stardust
08-09-2010, 08:34 PM
Tyson is both an ATG heavyweight and a P4P ATG. Few boxers in the history of boxing have built up such an invinvible aura about them and have destroyed their divisions like he did. The people who deny his greatness are often people like you the clueless type.

Morales

Okay, that seals it: You're obviously a trolling wind-up merchant.....and a nuthugger to boot. Did I not say Tyson is clearly an ATG Heavyweight? What part of that didn't you understand? Do you require the Dick 'N Jane version? Regardless. Take my advice and slither back to NSB: You aren't up to the beating you're going to take in the Boxing History section what with the retarded BS you're posting. Toodles :)

Poet

SBleeder
08-09-2010, 11:38 PM
Tyson is an ATG Heavyweight but he's NOT a p4p ATG. Bringing race into it is very likely to get you a reputation for being a troll looking to wind people up......save that sh1t for NSB and the 'Dome.

Poet
What does "ATG heavyweight" mean to you? Top 10? Top 15? Top 20?

I consider him a top 20 all-time heavyweight, and a top 100 all-time p4p. If that's ATG, so be it.

I'd bet on at least 11 heavyweights, maybe a 12th (Marciano) to beat him solidly in his prime.

Ziggy Stardust
08-09-2010, 11:40 PM
What does "ATG heavyweight" mean to you? Top 10? Top 15? Top 20?

I consider him a top 20 all-time heavyweight, and a top 100 all-time p4p. If that's ATG, so be it.

There isn't a set number because the number of true all-time greats vary from weight class to weight class. Welter and Middle I would say have more than 20 ATGs. Some, like Bantam and Fly have fewer than 10. I personally have Tyson 10th all-time at Heavyweight.

Poet

Megamasterking
08-10-2010, 12:00 AM
Tyson is an ATG HW, he's # 10 on my list. Fast, strong and feared.

-Lowkey-
08-10-2010, 06:41 AM
Tyson is both an ATG heavyweight and a P4P ATG. Few boxers in the history of boxing have built up such an invinvible aura about them and have destroyed their divisions like he did. The people who deny his greatness are often people like you the clueless type.

Morales

lol it was the media and don king that built up the aura i see you bought all the badest man on the planet bull****

Tyson.
08-10-2010, 06:59 AM
Okay, that seals it: You're obviously a trolling wind-up merchant.....and a nuthugger to boot. Did I not say Tyson is clearly an ATG Heavyweight? What part of that didn't you understand? Do you require the Dick 'N Jane version? Regardless. Take my advice and slither back to NSB: You aren't up to the beating you're going to take in the Boxing History section what with the retarded BS you're posting. Toodles :)

Poet

Why post in purple and put poet at the end of each post?

Stop attention seeking you skinhead and go find another sport, I think MMA would be suited to your type. We kind of know whos posting what from the sidescreen.

Yeah I know Tysons an ATG heavyweight , when did I say he wasnt? Hes also P4P one of the best the sports ever seen. Alot of people hold this same opinion, hardly makes me a nuthugger.

lol it was the media and don king that built up the aura i see you bought all the badest man on the planet bull****

No man obviously you hant seen when he was KOing people for breakfast.

-Lowkey-
08-10-2010, 07:12 AM
come off it he was K.Oing bums (i donít like to use that word but in this case they were)and old scared fighters as soon as he fought someone who wasnít scared and was determined to win he got K.Oed simple, he is infact the most overrated boxer in the history of the sport he doesnít have ONE career defining win

sonnyboyx2
08-10-2010, 07:20 AM
come off it he was K.Oing bums (i donít like to use that word but in this case they were)and old scared fighters as soon as he fought someone who wasnít scared and was determined to win he got K.Oed simple, he is infact the most overrated boxer in the history of the sport he doesnít have ONE career defining win

you just describe Lennox Lewis to the tee.. Lewis is the most overrated heavyweight in the history of the sport, Lewis avoided every top fighter who was at the "Top of there Game" and only ever fought exposed unknown journeymen who was on the downside of their career..

Mike Tyson will soon ne inducted into the IBHOF and it will be the biggest and greatest occasion the IBHOF has ever witnessed in its entire history unlike the non-event that was Lennox Lewis being inducted.

Lennox Lewis was a British/Canadian thing and is not rated by the vast majority of Boxing fans worldwide.

-Lowkey-
08-10-2010, 07:26 AM
you just describe Lennox Lewis to the tee.. Lewis is the most overrated heavyweight in the history of the sport, Lewis avoided every top fighter who was at the "Top of there Game" and only ever fought exposed unknown journeymen who was on the downside of their career..

Mike Tyson will soon ne inducted into the IBHOF and it will be the biggest and greatest occasion the IBHOF has ever witnessed in its entire history unlike the non-event that was Lennox Lewis being inducted.

Lennox Lewis was a British/Canadian thing and is not rated by the vast majority of Boxing fans worldwide.

Lewis resume >>>>>>>>>>>>day light>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tysons resume

Tyson ducked Lewis to fight Holyfield because it seemed the easier fight of the two lol look what happened

Ziggy Stardust
08-10-2010, 07:31 AM
Why post in purple and put poet at the end of each post?

Cuz that's how I roll.


Stop attention seeking you skinhead and go find another sport, I think MMA would be suited to your type. We kind of know whos posting what from the sidescreen.

Yeah I know Tysons an ATG heavyweight , when did I say he wasnt? Hes also P4P one of the best the sports ever seen. Alot of people hold this same opinion, hardly makes me a nuthugger.

No man obviously you hant seen when he was KOing people for breakfast.

Your posting career here will be short. Have a nice day :)

Poet

sonnyboyx2
08-10-2010, 07:40 AM
Lewis resume >>>>>>>>>>>>day light>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tysons resume

Tyson ducked Lewis to fight Holyfield because it seemed the easier fight of the two lol look what happened

You just spew-out garbage on a daily basis to try to back up your agenda, but the truth is that your always wrong... you never have any proof of the garbage you claim so i will post links after everyone of your posts to prove that you are a Walter Mitty character who lives in a dream world...Here is a link to disprove your claim that Tyson ducked Lewis in 1996 and that it was Lewis who ducked Tyson by turning down a career highest purse:

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/04/sports/boxing-bronchitis-stops-tyson-seldon-fight-is-off.html?pagewanted=1

Vadrigar.
08-10-2010, 07:52 AM
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-CANE-
08-10-2010, 07:53 AM
Mike Tyson - Youngest Ever Undisputed Heavyweight Champion and the most exciting Heavyweight who ever lived, Time will show that Tyson was one of the ATGs of the sport "A Living Legend".... in his prime 1986-1990 it is debatable weather any fighter in history could have withstood the onslaught which he brought to the ring, Mike Tyson had it all : Speed, Strength, Ability, Chin, Ring-Craft and incredible knock-out power in both hands... Tyson was the ultimate Prizefighter and other than Muhammad Ali he would be favorite to beat any fighter in history.


You really are talking **** here.

Just think what you are actually saying here.

First off it's not debatable whether any fighter could of withstood this onslaught as you call it. Bonecrusher and Tucker did and I expect many others could of.

Tyson never had it all, he had everything you said and of that I have no doubt, but he never had that mental toughness needed to make him a truly great fighter.

Sure he was tough as hell but he was a broken man if he couldn't knock you out early and you stood up to his punches and fired back. He never dug deep when he was losing, and couldn't impose his will when things got difficult.

Against Douglas he fired the odd single desperation shot but he never gritted his teeth and tried trading with him. Tyson beat most of his opponents before the bell and anytime he fought a decent fighter who wasn't intimidated he got his ass handed to him on a plate.

I remember Tyson as an amatuer and wanting to quit a fight because he couldn't keep the guy down. His opponent kept getting up and Tyson tried to find any excuse to quit the fight. He never had any confidence in himself. It's a shame because he was an exceptional fighter but don't blow everything out of proportion.

-Lowkey-
08-10-2010, 08:33 AM
You just spew-out garbage on a daily basis to try to back up your agenda, but the truth is that your always wrong... you never have any proof of the garbage you claim so i will post links after everyone of your posts to prove that you are a Walter Mitty character who lives in a dream world...Here is a link to disprove your claim that Tyson ducked Lewis in 1996 and that it was Lewis who ducked Tyson by turning down a career highest purse:

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/07/04/sports/boxing-bronchitis-stops-tyson-seldon-fight-is-off.html?pagewanted=1


Lewis tuned down $13.5 million then offered Tyson $45 million but he said no to fight Holyfield who looked past it after being TKOed by Bowe just 12 month prior. The article you posted confirms my previous post you dumb ass they even paid lewis 4 million to step aside

'Now Lewis's handlers say they will guarantee Tyson $45 million to fight Lewis, but Tyson seems more interested in fighting Evander Holyfield, a former champion. If Tyson bypasses Lewis, the W.B.C. will strip Tyson of his title for refusing to fight its top-ranked contender.'

Tyson.
08-10-2010, 08:56 AM
Prime Tyson beats anyone in history.

Prime Ali is the only one who stands a chance of beating him.

-Lowkey-
08-10-2010, 09:06 AM
Prime Tyson beats anyone in history.

Prime Ali is the only one who stands a chance of beating him.

based off of what K.Oing a long list of scared old men

sonnyboyx2
08-10-2010, 09:08 AM
Lewis tuned down $13.5 million then offered Tyson $45 million but he said no to fight Holyfield who looked past it after being TKOed by Bowe just 12 month prior. The article you posted confirms my previous post you dumb ass they even paid lewis 4 million to step aside

'Now Lewis's handlers say they will guarantee Tyson $45 million to fight Lewis, but Tyson seems more interested in fighting Evander Holyfield, a former champion. If Tyson bypasses Lewis, the W.B.C. will strip Tyson of his title for refusing to fight its top-ranked contender.'

Lewis turned down a career highest payday of $13 million and accepted a meagre $4 million step-a-side money knowing that Tyson would be stripped of the title... Lewis had just been poleaxed by Tysons sparring partner and was thought of as nothing more than a 1rd blow-out for Tyson... Lewis ran scared as he always did because he was a fraud.

sonnyboyx2
08-10-2010, 09:09 AM
based off of what K.Oing a long list of scared old men

Who did Lewis ever beat who was at "The Top of their Game"?

Ziggy Stardust
08-10-2010, 09:12 AM
Prime Tyson beats anyone in history.

Prime Ali is the only one who stands a chance of beating him.

Nuthugging at it's finest.

sonnyboyx2
08-10-2010, 09:15 AM
based off of what K.Oing a long list of scared old men

Tyson fought guys who was at "The Top of their Game"

Tucker
Bruno
Ruddock
Thomas
Tubbs
Williams
Briggs
Smith
M.Frazier
M.Spinks
Stewart

Lewis opponents of which NONE was at The Top of their Game.... all was years past their best and on the slide

Tucker - junkie
Ruddock - Damaged Goods
Tua - fattest man to ever fight for title
Bruno - on the slide
Morrison - HIV
McCall - poleaxed Lewis
Rahman - journeyman who poleaxed Lewis
Jackson - who?
Butler - who?
Mavrovick - who?
Botha - steroid freak, bum
Grant - Bum

Vadrigar.
08-10-2010, 09:33 AM
Tyson fought guys who was at "The Top of their Game"

Tucker
Bruno
Ruddock
Thomas
Tubbs
Williams
Briggs
Smith
M.Frazier
M.Spinks
Stewart

Lewis opponents of which NONE was at The Top of their Game.... all was years past their best and on the slide

Tucker - junkie
Ruddock - Damaged Goods
Tua - fattest man to ever fight for title
Bruno - on the slide
Morrison - HIV
McCall - poleaxed Lewis
Rahman - journeyman who poleaxed Lewis
Jackson - who?
Butler - who?
Mavrovick - who?
Botha - steroid freak, bum
Grant - Bum

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:nonono:

SBleeder
08-10-2010, 09:35 AM
Tyson fought guys who was at "The Top of their Game"

Tucker
Bruno
Ruddock - Two years after they were originally supposed to fight, when Tyson pulled out with a "stomach virus" (scared)
Thomas
Tubbs - Came in extremely fat and out of shape. He was offered $50K to cut down to 235, and couldn't do so.
Williams - Shot from tough fights with Holmes, Ferguson, and Weaver
Briggs - Tyson never fought Briggs. Perhaps you dreamed this one.
Smith - Bum.
M.Frazier - LOL are you serious?
M.Spinks - Terrified out of his mind. I thought being in a poor mental state meant that a guy is past his prime? Are you going to backtrack on that?
Stewart - Bum.


See Bolded.

sonnyboyx2
08-10-2010, 09:38 AM
i was at the Lewis vs Ruddock fight and it was clear that Ruddock was "Damaged-Goods" he never landed a single punch in the fight.. Ruddock took a ferocious beating off Mike Tyson having his Jaw, Cheek-Bone & Eye-Socket smashed... watch the HBO version of that fight and the Ruddock interview with Larry Merchant.

sonnyboyx2
08-10-2010, 09:39 AM
See Bolded.

please show links or proof of your claims or you cannot be taken seriously.

sonnyboyx2
08-10-2010, 09:49 AM
See Bolded.

Lies and made-up garbage:

Tucker- 35-0 reigning title holder
Smith - reigning title holder beat Bruno, Bey, Weaver, Spoon
Tubbs - No1 contender 24-1 weighing usual weight.
Williams - No1 contender on a role after beating 2 former champs

M.Frazier - excellent record former world title challenger
M.Spinks - undefeated linear champion
Stewart - 26-1 world rated No2

Sorry to prove once again that everything you say is complete lies

Tyson.
08-10-2010, 10:20 AM
based off of what K.Oing a long list of scared old men

Based on Tyson doing the impossible. Tyson was a small guy yet he could knock out people much bigger than him.

Noone in the history of boxing has ever won the heavyweight title as young as he did. Tyson is the only guy to ever knock out Larry Holmes. Only guy to beat Micheal Spinks.

Tyson was unstoppable in his prime. Like I said earlier Ali is the only one who stands a chance of beating him.

NChristo
08-10-2010, 10:29 AM
Based on Tyson doing the impossible. Tyson was a small guy yet he could knock out people much bigger than him.



Please explain, how is that the "impossible" ?, every small decent heavyweight has knocked out people taller then him.

Ziggy Stardust
08-10-2010, 10:30 AM
Based on Tyson doing the impossible. Tyson was a small guy yet he could knock out people much bigger than him.

Like that's never been done before? :nonono:


Noone in the history of boxing has ever won the heavyweight title as young as he did.

No one ever came up against as weak a batch of title holders as Mike did either. Trevor Berbick anyone? Not to mention fighters mature at different paces too.....Tyson was past it at 23: He loses points for that.


Tyson is the only guy to ever knock out Larry Holmes.

Since when is KOing a clearly past it out of shape former champion who hasn't fought in 2 years a big deal?


Only guy to beat Micheal Spinks.

A fighter who had all of 5 fights at Heavyweight in his career and who's own trainer said was NOT an outstanding Heavyweight. Spinks' record was racked up as a Light-Heavy where he's an ATG.


Tyson was unstoppable in his prime. Like I said earlier Ali is the only one who stands a chance of beating him.

Pure nuthuggery: Spewing propaganda for your favorite fighter. Drink some more KoolAid fan-boi.

Poet

Tyson.
08-10-2010, 10:40 AM
Please explain, how is that the "impossible" ?, every small decent heavyweight has knocked out people taller then him.

Its impossible as noone has been able to do it in the style Tyson was doing it against the quality of opposition at the age Tyson was doing it. Prime Tyson was flawless, to beat him you would need the perfect gameplan which only a Prime Ali could execute.

Toney616
08-10-2010, 10:40 AM
Tyson was past it at 23: He loses points for that.

I thought, you thought he was past it -post prison?

-CANE-
08-10-2010, 10:43 AM
i was at the Lewis vs Ruddock fight and it was clear that Ruddock was "Damaged-Goods" he never landed a single punch in the fight.. Ruddock took a ferocious beating off Mike Tyson having his Jaw, Cheek-Bone & Eye-Socket smashed... watch the HBO version of that fight and the Ruddock interview with Larry Merchant.

I too was at the fight, and you clearly know nothing. Ruddock was not damaged goods, if anything he gained as a fighter in confidence after his performances against Tyson. He didn't land a punch against Lennox because despite Lewis' amaturish ability at that point in his career he was still clever enough to circle away from his big left hook, and when Ruddock did get close enough to throw it, Lewis closed the gap and sat on his chest.

Lewis caught Ruddock cold and despite him trying to fight back, Lewis' final combination was simply breathtaking.

Come back when you have something intelligent and unbiased to say.

Ziggy Stardust
08-10-2010, 10:43 AM
I thought, you thought he was past it -post prison?

I'm just going by what people like him like to claim. In my personal view prison is the dividing line......Tyson nuthuggers always claim he was past it after the Spinks fight.

Poet

Toney616
08-10-2010, 10:47 AM
I'm just going by what people like him like to claim.
:rofl::rofl:

In my personal view prison is the dividing line......Tyson nuthuggers always claim he was past it after the Spinks fight.
Poet
Im going to agree with post prison as well

His going to be a star -Cus Damato

No, his going to be a comet -Teddy atlas

Ziggy Stardust
08-10-2010, 10:50 AM
:rofl::rofl:

Im going to agree with post prison as well

His going to be a star -Cus Damato

No, his going to be a comet -Teddy atlas

I personally thought the Ruddock fights were Tyson's finest performances.

Poet

Toney616
08-10-2010, 10:56 AM
I personally thought the Ruddock fights were Tyson's finest performances.

Poet
In terms of intangibles? Yes. But in terms of strategy, he fought a stupid fight imo

-CANE-
08-10-2010, 11:01 AM
Tyson started declining as a boxer from '89 when he fought Bruno. He wasn't past his physical prime by a long way, it was the fact that he believed everything he was told by all the people swinging from his sack. He neglected training and enjoyed the high life.

Shame he could of been so much better, had he desired. Could he of been the greatest of all time, i don't think so. If he had Holyfields desire to win and mental toughness then he could well of been.


I love Tyson, he singlehandedly revitalised a lacklustre division and a sport in decline. We owe him so much, but let's not swing on his nuts and be objective.

I personally think Lewis' proved he was better and would of beat a so called PRIME Tyson but i'm not an idiot. That Tyson was a dangerous fight for anyone.

Some of these Tyson fans are so f.ucking deluded it gives the rest of them a bad name.

Tyson.
08-10-2010, 11:05 AM
I personally think Lewis' proved he was better and would of beat a so called PRIME Tyson but i'm not an idiot. That Tyson was a dangerous fight for anyone.


Prime Tyson would KO Lewis the same way Mccall did.

Ziggy Stardust
08-10-2010, 11:06 AM
Some of these Tyson fans are so f.ucking deluded it gives the rest of them a bad name.

Amen brother! And there ARE objective Tyson fans out there they just get overshadowed by the KoolAid drinkers.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
08-10-2010, 11:07 AM
In terms of intangibles? Yes. But in terms of strategy, he fought a stupid fight imo

Yeah, but from my perspectives intangibles (things like grit and determination and toughness) always outweigh stategy :)

Poet

Toney616
08-10-2010, 11:08 AM
I personally think Lewis' proved he was better and would of beat a so called PRIME Tyson but i'm not an idiot. That Tyson was a dangerous fight for anyone.
I would favour Ali, Holmes, Liston and Foreman over Tyson. I would favour Tyson over Lewis though

Ziggy Stardust
08-10-2010, 11:09 AM
Some of these Tyson fans are so f.ucking deluded it gives the rest of them a bad name.

BTW, Moronales_ "grey" Ked me calling me a "skinhead racist" because I've been calling him on his abject nuthuggery :hahahaha9:

Poet

-CANE-
08-10-2010, 11:12 AM
Prime Tyson would KO Lewis the same way Mccall did.


That a fact is it?

So we are pitting a PRIME Tyson against the Lewis that got knocked out by McCall.

Seems fair to me, after all it would be unfair of me to pit say a PRIME Lewis against a PRIME Tyson.

sonnyboyx2
08-10-2010, 11:17 AM
That a fact is it?

So we are pitting a PRIME Tyson against the Lewis that got knocked out by McCall.

Seems fair to me, after all it would be unfair of me to pit say a PRIME Lewis against a PRIME Tyson.

Lewis was prime vs McCall in 94.. he could move on his feet and had fast hands.. from 96 onwards Lewis gained loads of weight and was sluggish in every fight he had right up to the end of his career... Lewis prime was 91-95

Toney616
08-10-2010, 11:21 AM
Seems fair to me, after all it would be unfair of me to pit say a PRIME Lewis against a PRIME Tyson.
When would you say Lewis's prime started then?

Tyson.
08-10-2010, 11:27 AM
That a fact is it?

So we are pitting a PRIME Tyson against the Lewis that got knocked out by McCall.

Seems fair to me, after all it would be unfair of me to pit say a PRIME Lewis against a PRIME Tyson.

Lewis was prime in that fight.

Mccall was Tysons sparring partner, its obvious that a Prime Tyson would KO Lewis.

-CANE-
08-10-2010, 11:29 AM
I would favour Ali, Holmes, Liston and Foreman over Tyson. I would favour Tyson over Lewis though

That I don't have a problem with. Your not saying PRIME TYSON detroys everything put in front of him.

Personally I'd take Lewis for one reason. People mention his chin and yes he got kayoed, good punches both of them but Lewis' got lazy and walked onto both. His fault and he deserved to get beat with that attitude. But the better the opponent the better Lewis got. He avenged both defeats and fought and beat a better class of fighter IMO.

Tyson never proved to me that when things got tough he had what it takes to turn a fight around. The only time I recall him showing some real fighting heart was in the Ruddock fight.

Why didn't it surface in the Douglas fight, Holyfield or Lewis because he resigned himself to the fact he was going to get beat. He took his punches like a man and proved how tough he was.

-CANE-
08-10-2010, 11:32 AM
Lewis was prime in that fight.

Mccall was Tysons sparring partner, its obvious that a Prime Tyson would KO Lewis.


If you say so mate. It's so obvious what your doing so good luck with that but it ain't gonna work on me.

Toney616
08-10-2010, 11:36 AM
That I don't have a problem with. Your not saying PRIME TYSON detroys everything put in front of him.
No ones unbeatable

Personally I'd take Lewis for one reason. People mention his chin and yes he got kayoed, good punches both of them but Lewis' got lazy and walked onto both. His fault and he deserved to get beat with that attitude. But the better the opponent the better Lewis got. He avenged both defeats and fought and beat a better class of fighter IMO.
Douglas gave Tyson problems with his jab and footspeed, I dont think Lewis was ever on the level of that Douglas. His jab wasn't as fast as Douglas's jab and I would say his footspeed was a bit slower as well

Tyson never proved to me that when things got tough he had what it takes to turn a fight around. The only time I recall him showing some real fighting heart was in the Ruddock fight.
True

Why didn't it surface in the Douglas fight, Holyfield or Lewis because he resigned himself to the fact he was going to get beat. He took his punches like a man and proved how tough he was.
I think he tried in the Douglas fight, but he just didnt seem to be focused on the task for whatever reason. I have to agree with you, on your take on the Holyfield and Lewis fights as well

-CANE-
08-10-2010, 12:10 PM
Lewis was prime vs McCall in 94.. he could move on his feet and had fast hands.. from 96 onwards Lewis gained loads of weight and was sluggish in every fight he had right up to the end of his career... Lewis prime was 91-95

Physical prime I agree with you, he wasn't as fast but technically he was so flawed.

After Steward started training him the impact was immediate. Watch the justin fortune fight and his previous fight the difference is unbelievable. The three finishing uppercuts were amazing, such speed and leverage for a big man.

I'd say Lewis' prime was 96-00.

His best performances were Mercer and Mavrovic because he showed in both fights everything that a champion should. He boxed beautifully on the inside and outside against two dangerous opponents who desperately wanted to win. Both had granite chins and Lewis showed everything, jab, combos, speed, power, boxing ability, ring generalship and a steely determination to win.

I'm not so much bothered about the McCall win, that was going to happen sooner or later had he stayed with Correa. Rahman was dissappointing but I can excuse him because the rematch was one of the best punches ever thrown.

I think Lewis only really let down his fans in the Holyfield fights, he paid him too much respect and the performances suffered even though I had him winning both.

The_Demon
08-10-2010, 12:19 PM
Goes without saying

IronWolverine
08-12-2010, 11:18 AM
i truly agree

Barn
08-12-2010, 04:27 PM
Quote by LionHeart Lewis.


"...tyson was always scared of lewis.he ducked him for six years before they did fight because he knew hed get beaten up and sparked out by lewis."

JUST NO!:nono:

T.McGrady
08-12-2010, 07:12 PM
Without a doubt. Mike was too good in his prime.

T.McGrady
08-12-2010, 07:22 PM
He had the potential to be the greatest, but...we all know what happened.

Bright-Eyes
08-13-2010, 12:15 PM
Yes he is.I personally have him in the top ten of my heavyweight list.A very dominant three year run against most of the contenders of that time.

Jim Jeffries
01-23-2011, 10:30 AM
Physical prime I agree with you, he wasn't as fast but technically he was so flawed.

After Steward started training him the impact was immediate. Watch the justin fortune fight and his previous fight the difference is unbelievable. The three finishing uppercuts were amazing, such speed and leverage for a big man.

I'd say Lewis' prime was 96-00.

His best performances were Mercer and Mavrovic because he showed in both fights everything that a champion should. He boxed beautifully on the inside and outside against two dangerous opponents who desperately wanted to win. Both had granite chins and Lewis showed everything, jab, combos, speed, power, boxing ability, ring generalship and a steely determination to win.

I'm not so much bothered about the McCall win, that was going to happen sooner or later had he stayed with Correa. Rahman was dissappointing but I can excuse him because the rematch was one of the best punches ever thrown.

I think Lewis only really let down his fans in the Holyfield fights, he paid him too much respect and the performances suffered even though I had him winning both.

If Lewis' prime was only 4 years, why do they bringing up a more than 12 year old fight when talking about Wladimir Klitschko? Most people are of the consensus that he's still in his prime, but even his last loss was almost 7 years ago.

Even Tyson, people usually talk about this 3 year window where he was unbeatable. Invincible one minute, knocked out by a (43 to 1 underdog) journeyman the next.

That said I think more and more people are starting to add Mike to their top 10 ATG HW lists, partly because of his impact on the sport. Like Dempsey, tons of people started watching boxing in the first place because of Mike's entertaining style and once seemingly indestructible "Iron Mike" persona.

betmen
01-24-2011, 12:03 AM
ha haaa what a hater... i set this post up waiting for your response and you did not let me down haaa

Lewis had ample opportunities to fight Mike Tyson but ran scared for more than 10yrs even Tysons sparring partner put Lewis to sleep in less than 2rds... Tyson defended his undisputed title against the No1 contenders unlike Lewis who was "Stripped of every belt" for refusing to fight the No1 contenders.... Lewis was nothing more than a 1st round KO for Mike Tyson during the 1990s even when Tyson was years past his best and had served several prison sentences..... Danny Williams, Lennox Lewis & Kevin McBride managed to beat Mike Tyson when he was completely `SHOT` and in desperate need of money..

Lennox Lewis fans try their best to "Trash, Ridicule and assassinate the career and Living Legend that Mike Tyson is, so as to try to improve the standing of Lewis but it will never work because film-footage exists to disprove their case, the same footage exists of Lennox Lewis to prove what a boring opportunist fighter he was and that he avoided every fighter who was At the Top of their Game

how about holyfield???
do you have something to say about the real deal beating iron mike???
holyfeld beat tyson anytime, even mike said so.

betmen
01-24-2011, 12:21 AM
Just for the record, being lazy at the gym and suffering harshly from it in the ring is considered falling out of your prime, no?

Mike Tyson after firing Kevin Rooney after the Spinks fight in 1988 was a fraction of what he was. Nothing you ever say will change that. He lost his reflexes, his timing, his speed, his ability to to throw combinations, his stamina, his head movement, his defense, his everything. If you can't see that from his 1988 fights vs. any fight in 1990, you don't need to be in the debate. Facts are facts. Pretend all you want to.

Mike had the death of Cus D'Amato, the death of Jimmy Jacobs, the Don King-Bill Cayton fiasco, the Robin Givens and Ruth Roper situation, bad influences like Rory Holloway and John Horne, his own immaturity, his lack of will for boxing, the false rape accusation by Desiree Washington, nightlife and friends, the lies and ruthlessness of Don King, his unwinding of his friendship with Kevin Rooney, etc., etc., etc. all hanging over his head and disrupting his boxing and training.

It would take more than just Cus being alive to keep Tyson in line. To keep Tyson in line and in the game, the following ingredients were needed:

1.) Jim Jacobs and/or Cus D'Amato
2.) Kevin Rooney
3.) Mike's discipline, heart, and willpower.
4.) Lack of bad influences and distractions such as Robin Givens, Ruth Roper, Don King, Rory Holloway, and John Horne (none of the last three would have entered Mike's life had Cus and/or Jimmy remained alive).

So back to the point: the facts are the facts. Your opinion or personal hatred of Mike doesn't change them.

man u fail!!!
u fail big time!!!!
this is boxing, in that ring u're alone beating yours enemy. forget your cornerman, if u want anybody feeding u all the good stuff all the time u dont have the right to be called ATG. :wave:

ROSS CALIFORNIA
01-24-2011, 01:21 AM
If Lewis' prime was only 4 years, why do they bringing up a more than 12 year old fight when talking about Wladimir Klitschko? Most people are of the consensus that he's still in his prime, but even his last loss was almost 7 years ago.

Even Tyson, people usually talk about this 3 year window where he was unbeatable. Invincible one minute, knocked out by a (43 to 1 underdog) journeyman the next.

That said I think more and more people are starting to add Mike to their top 10 ATG HW lists, partly because of his impact on the sport. Like Dempsey, tons of people started watching boxing in the first place because of Mike's entertaining style and once seemingly indestructible "Iron Mike" persona.

The thing about Wlad is he's shown to have a susceptible chin. It doesn't matter if he was 26 years old, it is what it is. :slap:

ROSS CALIFORNIA
01-24-2011, 01:33 AM
how about holyfield???
do you have something to say about the real deal beating iron mike???
holyfeld beat tyson anytime, even mike said so.

Holyfield did not beat Mike when he was hungry and interested in boxing. If you fallowed Tysons career closely, you would know he started going down hill after the Spinks fight. He wanted to call the shots, he wanted to train the way he wanted. That's why he got rid of Rooney and lost that great defensive head movement he had through most of the late 80's. Haters will hate and only see what they want to see. Tyson hurt a lot of your guys feelings and pissed off a lot of you and will always be underrated by you because of that. Holyfield at his best strugled with guys like an old Larry Holmes and Bert Cooper, to name a couple. A prime Tyson definitely would have knocked him out. Learn your history.

Barn
01-24-2011, 03:24 AM
Holyfield did not beat Mike when he was hungry and interested in boxing. If you fallowed Tysons career closely, you would know he started going down hill after the Spinks fight. He wanted to call the shots, he wanted to train the way he wanted. That's why he got rid of Rooney and lost that great defensive head movement he had through most of the late 80's. Tyson fans will nut-hug and only see what they want to see. Tyson hurt a lot of your guys feelings and pissed off a lot of you and will always be underrated by you because of that. Holyfield at his best strugled with guys like an old Larry Holmes and Bert Cooper, to name a couple. A prime Tyson definitely would have knocked him out. Learn your history.



Fixed.,,,,,,

Marchegiano
01-24-2011, 08:20 AM
Lol, I have a douglas glove signed. It says "**** you Mike- James Buster Douglas"

mickey malone
01-24-2011, 08:59 AM
I'm a massive believer in what Michael Gerrard Tyson was -

"A natural born killing machine" and by far the most exciting heavyweight i've ever seen..

I'll always be gutted over the things that went wrong in his life. He was special, very very special indeed!

Joeyzagz
01-24-2011, 09:25 AM
Mike Tyson - Youngest Ever Undisputed Heavyweight Champion and the most exciting Heavyweight who ever lived, Time will show that Tyson was one of the ATGs of the sport "A Living Legend".... in his prime 1986-1990 it is debatable weather any fighter in history could have withstood the onslaught which he brought to the ring, Mike Tyson had it all : Speed, Strength, Ability, Chin, Ring-Craft and incredible knock-out power in both hands... Tyson was the ultimate Prizefighter and other than Muhammad Ali he would be favorite to beat any fighter in history.

The great Lennox Lewis wouldve destroyed any version of Mike Tyson that ever lived. Too big, too smart, and far more powerful.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/17/article-1261064025560-0051DC6000000258-486599_466x343.jpg

CarlosG815
01-24-2011, 09:26 AM
The great Lennox Lewis wouldve destroyed any version of Mike Tyson that ever lived. Too big, too smart, and far more powerful.

http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/17/article-1261064025560-0051DC6000000258-486599_466x343.jpg

Just like he was too big, too smart and far more powerful for this guy?
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The_Demon
01-24-2011, 09:44 AM
He certainly is a legend,an incredible fighter in his peak and watching a prime tyson is always a joy

Barn
01-24-2011, 10:35 AM
ATG yes, just outside Top 10 Heavyweights for me.

The_Demon
01-24-2011, 10:58 AM
ATG yes, just outside Top 10 Heavyweights for me.

Thats how i see it

betmen
01-25-2011, 11:16 PM
Holyfield did not beat Mike when he was hungry and interested in boxing. If you fallowed Tysons career closely, you would know he started going down hill after the Spinks fight. He wanted to call the shots, he wanted to train the way he wanted. That's why he got rid of Rooney and lost that great defensive head movement he had through most of the late 80's. Haters will hate and only see what they want to see. Tyson hurt a lot of your guys feelings and pissed off a lot of you and will always be underrated by you because of that. Holyfield at his best strugled with guys like an old Larry Holmes and Bert Cooper, to name a couple. A prime Tyson definitely would have knocked him out. Learn your history.

lol...
know my history???
let me tell u something about the "real deal" holyfield, u said tyson is past prime but for me is holyfield is the one who is past his prime, why:
1.war againt dwight muhammad qawi in LHW division, probably the best puncher in that division 2 times
2. war again george foreman the best puncher in HW alltime
3. war again riddick bowe, the most talented HW at that time. 3times
4. war again michael moorer legit HW champion
5. heart(healt) problem
6. hepatitis problem
this is real life son, everybody has problem but to avercome problem is what make you great.
i always believe style make fight, and thats what happen in tyson-holyfield fight. tyson love inside and rough fight and holyfield too, the different is holyfield is a warrior and tyson easily frustated.
know your history!!!!
:hitit:

CarlosG815
01-25-2011, 11:48 PM
lol...
know my history???
let me tell u something about the "real deal" holyfield, u said tyson is past prime but for me is holyfield is the one who is past his prime, why:
1.war againt dwight muhammad qawi in LHW division, probably the best puncher in that division 2 times
2. war again george foreman the best puncher in HW alltime
3. war again riddick bowe, the most talented HW at that time. 3times
4. war again michael moorer legit HW champion
5. heart(healt) problem
6. hepatitis problem
this is real life son, everybody has problem but to avercome problem is what make you great.
i always believe style make fight, and thats what happen in tyson-holyfield fight. tyson love inside and rough fight and holyfield too, the different is holyfield is a warrior and tyson easily frustated.
know your history!!!!
:hitit:

The fact is that Tyson was far past it and not close to the fighter he was in his prime when he got out of prison. This is not debatable and had it been Tyson of the 80's he would have beaten Evander quite handily.

Despite his eroded skills and many headbutts he was able to give Holyfield hell. Imagine what would have happened had Mike been at his best. Holyfield looked as good as ever in his fight against Mike and was juiced up on steroids. Perhaps not his absolute prime, but pretty darn close as far as I'm concerned.

The_Demon
01-25-2011, 11:51 PM
The fact is that Tyson was far past it and not close to the fighter he was in his prime when he got out of prison. This is not debatable and had it been Tyson of the 80's he would have beaten Evander quite handily.

Despite his eroded skills and many headbutts he was able to give Holyfield hell. Imagine what would have happened had Mike been at his best. Holyfield looked as good as ever in his fight against Mike and was juiced up on steroids. Perhaps not his absolute prime, but pretty darn close as far as I'm concerned.

Holyfield was slightly past his best but not compared too tyson,who was way way past his best,thats for sure

betmen
01-26-2011, 12:19 AM
The fact is that Tyson was far past it and not close to the fighter he was in his prime when he got out of prison. This is not debatable and had it been Tyson of the 80's he would have beaten Evander quite handily.

Despite his eroded skills and many headbutts he was able to give Holyfield hell. Imagine what would have happened had Mike been at his best. Holyfield looked as good as ever in his fight against Mike and was juiced up on steroids. Perhaps not his absolute prime, but pretty darn close as far as I'm concerned.

like i said style make fight,i love mike tyson(he is the reason i love boxing) but for me mike is just 6 rounder fighter and holyfield always finish strong even in 15 round war. even the fight happen in 80's it will be the same, holyfield will fight rough and dirty and will catch frustated mike in the later round. i know mike not hungry anymore but he still has the instinct.
to be honest i'm shocked too with the result(ten years old at that time), but rightnow after watch so many fight, i believe evander just the better fighter overall, better skill,stamina and he aint afraid of mike.

The Surgeon
01-26-2011, 12:52 PM
In his prime He was a force of nature and the most explosive exciting fighter ive ever seen!

He was strong and fit, He had the speed of a WW and insane HW power, His combinations were breathtaking and his defence was excellent, he had fighting guts a quality chin and a big heart - The man could flat out FIGHT!

CarlosG815
01-26-2011, 01:53 PM
Thlike i said style make fight,i love mike tyson(he is the reason i love boxing) but for me mike is just 6 rounder fighter and holyfield always finish strong even in 15 round war. even the fight happen in 80's it will be the same, holyfield will fight rough and dirty and will catch frustated mike in the later round. i know mike not hungry anymore but he still has the instinct.
to be honest i'm shocked too with the result(ten years old at that time), but rightnow after watch so many fight, i believe evander just the better fighter overall, better skill,stamina and he aint afraid of mike.

This is one of the most absurd views of Mike Tyson that I have ever read. To each his own though, I guess.