do u think those last rounds and then him at the end indicate that Taylor is damaged in anyway?

do u think those last rounds and then him at the end indicate that Taylor is damaged in anyway?


I don't think so. He wasn't staggered by the cut and it was on the top part of the head. I think he will heal and continue to be a great fighter.

i really think mentally, it had some bad effect on Tayler. Not too much to damage him and affect his carreer. He wouldnt want a rematch if he really felt something bad on the inside afta the fight.


Wanna know who is a dmaged fighta? Juan Manuel Marquez. That doo dont want none of Pac no mo. That's a great example of how to mentally and physically damage sumbody. You could put Barrera in there aswell. nyahahaha, sorry to fans of these fightas.

Bernard Hpkins has taken his soul forvever. Taylor is going throught the same as Spinks did when he was flored by Zab in their 1st fight

No, Taylor will be better than ever when they meet in December. Gauranteed.

This will be one hell of a rematch either way.

i really think mentally, it had some bad effect on Tayler. Not too much to damage him and affect his carreer. He wouldnt want a rematch if he really felt something bad on the inside afta the fight.


Wanna know who is a dmaged fighta? Juan Manuel Marquez. That doo dont want none of Pac no mo. That's a great example of how to mentally and physically damage sumbody. You could put Barrera in there aswell. nyahahaha, sorry to fans of these fightas.

Barrera was damaged before he fought Pac.

You also act like hes that best boxer in the world, he is prolly in your country but not over here. Please speak english. :boxing:

Bernard Hpkins has taken his soul forvever. Taylor is going throught the same as Spinks did when he was flored by Zab in their 1st fight

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Barrera was damaged before he fought Pac.

You also act like hes that best boxer in the world, he is prolly in your country but not over here. Please speak english. :boxing:

Barrera havin won 8 times in a row befo facin Pac = DAMAGED? what a ****in dumbass we have here.


Please increase thinking in yer posts.

Jermain Taylor isn't damaged in anyway. He knows he was beaten by Bernard Hopkins so he has told himself and everyone else that he is going to train harder and fight smarter in the rematch. Bernard will beat him again and Taylor will realize that he can't beat B-Hop, but after their match B-Hop will be getting close to retirement so Jermain will be the king of the Middleweight mountain once again. He will learn a lot more from his loss to B-Hop in the rematch then he did in his controversial win against B-Hop.

do u think those last rounds and then him at the end indicate that Taylor is damaged in anyway?

:) Not at all, he has definatly proven that he can handle a elite stepup in class. He was as good and as much of a challenge as i thought he would be. The best Middleweight battle i have seen in years and the first guy to really test Bernard. Shame Bernard wasn't more in his prime because then people wouldn't have a get out line of "He was old anyway" ;)

Hopkins by ko in 7 in the rematch, he is gonna come out looking for the ko in his last hurrah

i think taylor ' s body is strong young and healthy enough to handle this kind of fight without losing anything .

on the other hand , he seemed like a mentaly broken fighter in the last round AND in the post fight press conference , which is a sign to me that somehow bernard has taken his soul in the last rounds .

Shame Bernard wasn't more in his prime because then people wouldn't have a get out line of "He was old anyway" ;)

No one has used that excuse? B-Hop has the last few fights in him. He won't get old until after he retires.

i think taylor ' s body is strong young and healthy enough to handle this kind of fight without losing anything .

on the other hand , he seemed like a mentaly broken fighter in the last round AND in the post fight press conference , which is a sign to me that somehow bernard has taken his soul in the last rounds .

You maybe right but i really really hope not. Jermain is a nice respectable sportman and a ideal champion. If he's the future of the middleweight division then he's going to be a respected one just like Bernard.

No one has used that excuse? B-Hop has the last few fights in him. He won't get old until after he retires.

:) I hope so, i like Bernard alot. There probably isn't a more dedicated fighter over the years like he has been.

This fight was all Hopkins from rd. 4 on
I thought the same thing,it was ugly like Trinidad Vs Hokins Or Trinidad Vs Wright but

I cant believe how much **** Jermain Taylor has taken for his victory over a guy who had not been beaten in over a decade, this young green rookie who had not been in a competitive or even remotely grueling fight is being tarnished for what???? Winning a close decsion against one of the best middleweights of all time?

I dont ****ing get it????

Damaged goods??? He did not take that bad a beating, **** he didnt even get touched up until late in the fight.

This fight could have gone either way and for anyone to suggest that a robbery took place needs to recheck that definition.

Nard has grown accustom to throwing 15-25 punches a round and against guys like Oscar and Eastman that was just fine, but against Taylor it wasnt, you did not need to be a better fighter than Nard to beat him you just needed to outwork him and for the first half of the fight that is exaqctly what the young green kid did, he outworked NArd.

The remtach will be a u pickem and people who are expecting for NArd to come out and start fast I think will be sorely mistaken, he has never started fast in his career...another thing...if Taylor had a concusion does anyone think that may have had something to do with his performance late in the fight?

No excuses for sure but doesnt this idea about the concussion at least have to be entertained. The kid fought a good fight and for whatever reason ran out of gas and began to get tagged by the master...NArd deserves critizism too, a guy with 20 title dfenses decided that he really didnt neeed to do much in the first half of the fight, he thought that it would not matter...guess what it did matter.

The fight could have gone both ways, it was that close and people who are acting like Jermain is damaged goods need to understand what damaged goods really are...David Reid....Fernando Vargas...those are fighters who were damaged....

Jermain Taylor damaged??? Settle the **** down!

i really think mentally, it had some bad effect on Tayler. Not too much to damage him and affect his carreer. He wouldnt want a rematch if he really felt something bad on the inside afta the fight.


Wanna know who is a dmaged fighta? Juan Manuel Marquez. That doo dont want none of Pac no mo. That's a great example of how to mentally and physically damage sumbody. You could put Barrera in there aswell. nyahahaha, sorry to fans of these fightas.
you might as well put morales in there too :p

you might as well put morales in there too :p

nyahaha. Morales wasn't damaged in anyway. He looked good actually. Pac also dint looked damage. Can't wait fo the rematch. Pac will KO Morales , I KNOW IT!

NArd deserves critizism too, a guy with 20 title dfenses decided that he really didnt neeed to do much in the first half of the fight, he thought that it would not matter...guess what it did matter.


Hopkins was not taking it easy as a strategy. He was avoiding the bombs that Taylor was throwing and fighting very defensively to protect himself. Getting knocked off balance in the second round told Hopkins to keep running. It was only when Taylor got gassed that Hopkins got back into the fight. Hopkins has fought more and more conservatively as he has aged. The guy is smart and knows that going at the younger fighters pace for the whole fight is not possible.

If Taylor trains twice as smart for the rematch, Hopkins will not get a chance. He can run his mouth now but when the rematch begins, Hopkins will be running.

Team Taylor has probably just hired a nutritionist and conditioning coach to correct the stamina problems in this fight. They never expected a 26 year old to burn out against a 40 year old and they will not repeat that mistake.

Get a grip folks. Beating Hopkins once already is not a negative for his confidence. I like that he is humble and talks about where he can improve, instead of the usual "I'm the baddest dude on the planet" insecurity trip.

do u think those last rounds and then him at the end indicate that Taylor is damaged in anyway?
i agree, taylor was stunned in those closing rounds and hopkins was more definitive. it was not a convincing win

Hopkins was not taking it easy as a strategy. He was avoiding the bombs that Taylor was throwing and fighting very defensively to protect himself. Getting knocked off balance in the second round told Hopkins to keep running. It was only when Taylor got gassed that Hopkins got back into the fight. Hopkins has fought more and more conservatively as he has aged. The guy is smart and knows that going at the younger fighters pace for the whole fight is not possible.

If Taylor trains twice as smart for the rematch, Hopkins will not get a chance. He can run his mouth now but when the rematch begins, Hopkins will be running.

Team Taylor has probably just hired a nutritionist and conditioning coach to correct the stamina problems in this fight. They never expected a 26 year old to burn out against a 40 year old and they will not repeat that mistake.

Get a grip folks. Beating Hopkins once already is not a negative for his confidence. I like that he is humble and talks about where he can improve, instead of the usual "I'm the baddest dude on the planet" insecurity trip.


I know what your saying...Hopkins was inactive for a reason in the first half of the fight...although Jermain did not land the big right flush he threw it very fast and very hard...it was enough a long with his jab to send a message to Nard and it is obvious at least too me that Nard got that message.

Second half of the fight was a different story but sometimes it is too little too late ask Joel Casamayor.

I still would like to learn a little bit about the concussion and when it occurred and how severe it was?

I have had a concussion before and I was one goofy mother****er that only remembers bits and pieces of myself, if Taylor did in fact have a concussion then he deserves a lot more praise than he is recieving.

Barrera havin won 8 times in a row befo facin Pac = DAMAGED? what a ****in dumbass we have here.


Please increase thinking in yer posts.

I know your a Pac fan but saying "hes gonna win, hes gonna win" is stupid. You still act like hes the fking best, hes not and his ass was getting hurt in the morales fight.

Bernard Hpkins has taken his soul forvever. Taylor is going throught the same as Spinks did when he was flored by Zab in their 1st fight


lol, what a joke.

Hopkins not only got punked by Taylor but also by his former advisor Lou DiBella. If anyones soul was taken it was his. No going out on top. No beating his former advisor. No belts. No power in future negotiations. lol, he's a hollow shell of his former self.

I still would like to learn a little bit about the concussion and when it occurred and how severe it was?

I have had a concussion before and I was one goofy mother****er that only remembers bits and pieces of myself, if Taylor did in fact have a concussion then he deserves a lot more praise than he is recieving.

I'm 99% positive it all came from that headbutt. After that point Taylor was completely different. He was uncoordinated and just generally sluggish and sloppy. That was the point in which Hopkins started really taking control.

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LMAO ottoevens u do be sayin some dumb ****...

I'm 99% positive it all came from that headbutt. After that point Taylor was completely different. He was uncoordinated and just generally sluggish and sloppy. That was the point in which Hopkins started really taking control.


This seams pretty logical, I just didnt want to pinpoint something and have the Hopkins faithful come down on me making excuses...excuses or not JErmain won the fight and if he did so with a concussion then I am even more impressed from the young green rookie.

i really think mentally, it had some bad effect on Tayler. Not too much to damage him and affect his carreer. He wouldnt want a rematch if he really felt something bad on the inside afta the fight.


Wanna know who is a dmaged fighta? Juan Manuel Marquez. That doo dont want none of Pac no mo. That's a great example of how to mentally and physically damage sumbody. You could put Barrera in there aswell. nyahahaha, sorry to fans of these fightas.


Yo MannyP, I have two questions for you. How old are you? and Why do you sometimes type normally, and other tymes type a like dis?

I dont see why Marquez would be afraid of Pac, considering he figured him out after that first round, but it may be true. Since he hasnt expressed any interest in fighting Pac again.

not damaged... jus that hopkins beat him in those rounds... both of them can beat each other on any given night. IF THEY FOLLOW THE RIGHT STRATEGY.
taylor should pounce on him when hes hurt, and also cut off the ring, not jus thro rangy punches.... also go to the body. hopkins should've started ealrier. if he did that he would've won... DOES ANYONE HAVE THE ENDING OF THE FIGHT, i WANT THE DECIOSIN ANNOUNCEMENT< AND THE INTERVIEWS

Taylor was tired. I guess that's what happens when a fighter puts all his effort into winning a fight. Of course Hopkins was fresh in the later rounds, he didn't do jack **** in the first 7 or 8 rounds. To quote my favorite quote when I was a kid, DUH!!!

Personally, I liked the fact that Bernard saved his energy for later rounds. I'd rather watch a guy save his energy early and land more effective and powerful punches in the long run, then watch a guy just throw punches early on and waste his energy right away. It's smart fighting in my eyes. Let your opponent wear himself out and then strike hard. I also see where it cost him in this fight because he let Jermain wear himself out for way too many rounds. He should've started earlier if he wanted to win and he didn't. He'll learn from this and beat Jermain in the rematch.

Personally, I liked the fact that Bernard saved his energy for later rounds. I'd rather watch a guy save his energy early and land more effective and powerful punches in the long run, then watch a guy just throw punches early on and waste his energy right away. It's smart fighting in my eyes. Let your opponent wear himself out and then strike hard. I also see where it cost him in this fight because he let Jermain wear himself out for way too many rounds. He should've started earlier if he wanted to win and he didn't. He'll learn from this and beat Jermain in the rematch.
I agree. It's nice when a fighter saves himself for the later rounds. But the only problem here is that he let Taylor win almost every round in the process. Is Hopkins the better fighter? Not against Taylor last Saturday night! In the rematch? Hopkins will change some stuff, but so will Taylor. It's a sad time for Hopkins. He's finally met a fighter who can not only outbox him for MOST of the fight, but also withstand his late-round surges.

Taylor never really outboxed B-Hop, though. He just threw more punches and B-Hop was letting him so he would get tired. Once he got tired, B-Hop worked him over. B-Hop just started to work Taylor too late. They both will learn things, but B-Hop has been around longer so I think he is more intelligent in the fight game and will outsmart Jermain Taylor in the rematch.

Taylor never really outboxed B-Hop, though. He just threw more punches and B-Hop was letting him so he would get tired. Once he got tired, B-Hop worked him over. B-Hop just started to work Taylor too late. They both will learn things, but B-Hop has been around longer so I think he is more intelligent in the fight game and will outsmart Jermain Taylor in the rematch.
Dude, Taylor was tired. Why can't people get this through their heads? The ONLY reason Hopkins was landing anything was bc Taylor was tired and didn't even try to jab. If Taylor paced himself Hopkins wouldn't of had achance to throw ****.

Outsmart him? Taylor has had half as much experience as B-Hop but he still ended up being smarter in the long run. If I was a Hopkins fan, I would be worried to hell about Taylor actually training to be better than he was last weekend.

I know Taylor was tired. And that's why he lost the later rounds. In order to be a good boxer you need to PACE YOURSELF. Taylor didn't do that. Taylor didn't end up being smarter in the long run. B-Hop made a mistake. Everyone does it. Just because I were to make a mistake tying my shoe, doesn't mean the kid next to me, who tied his shoes is smarter then me because I knew 1+1=2. He didn't.

I know Taylor was tired. And that's why he lost the later rounds. In order to be a good boxer you need to PACE YOURSELF. Taylor didn't do that. Taylor didn't end up being smarter in the long run. B-Hop made a mistake. Everyone does it. Just because I were to make a mistake tying my shoe, doesn't mean the kid next to me, who tied his shoes is smarter then me because I knew 1+1=2. He didn't.
Yeah, but your whole argument is based on Hopkins outboxing him in the first place. Taylor was tired in the later rounds and withstood the barrage. Taylor IMO won the first 7 or 8 rounds. Don't you think Taylor wearing himself out and winning most of the fight was smarter than Hopkins turning it on in the 9th round? Well hell yes. That's why he won the fight, no questions asked.

Taylor wearing himself out in the earlier rounds wasn't smart. Niether was Hopkins turning it on in the 9th round. What if Hopkins would've started to turn it on earlier then the 9th? How would Taylor of handled it if he had already wore himself out? Bad thinking on both fighters parts in my eyes.

Taylor wearing himself out in the earlier rounds wasn't smart. Niether was Hopkins turning it on in the 9th round. What if Hopkins would've started to turn it on earlier then the 9th? How would Taylor of handled it if he had already wore himself out? Bad thinking on both fighters parts in my eyes.
Yeah but my whole point is that Hopkins was only able to turn it on in the 9th because of Taylor being tired. If he was not tired, Hopkins wouldn't have been able to do much of anything. Taylor basically sat there and waited for B-Hop to throw those punches. Not to mention, he took them well. Let's not forget that Hopkins KO'd Tito and De La Hoya with lesser punches than he hit Taylor with. Taylor deserved that win so much more than anyone since Roy Jones. In the rematch, I'd be terrified if I was a Hopkins fan. Taylor is going to train even harder(as he said personally) and have a mroe effective gameplan. Hopkins NEVER gets beat by anyone in the last 10 years or so. The fact that Taylor, who most people said was too green to fight with him, did exactly that and won the fight. There's no backing up Hopkins this time.

Yo MannyP, I have two questions for you. How old are you? and Why do you sometimes type normally, and other tymes type a like dis?

I dont see why Marquez would be afraid of Pac, considering he figured him out after that first round, but it may be true. Since he hasnt expressed any interest in fighting Pac again.
i thought this is a taylor thread