********** and maxboxing both have articles about how they felt b hop won and that he landed the more crisper blows..I still got to see this fight but damn rematch has got to happen

i think it was all due to the fact that the one judge gave Taylor the 12th...

But those early rounds could have gone either way so you could argue that Taylor had already won enough rounds to win the fight.

I mean my roommate after hearing the decision started yelling hysterically "BURN IT DOWN!!... BURN IT ALL DOWN!!!"
but really i thought it was pretty justified.

I saw it at LEAST a draw for Taylor ... if not decision in 12.

I guess they tuned in at round 9 then. Seriously, the people whose fighter LOST always scream louder, because they LOST. This time however, unlike Oquendo-Byrd, the decision is LEGIT.

Nobody stole Hopkins' belts but father time and a country boy from Little Rock, Arkansas. :boxing:

I guess they tuned in at round 9 then. Seriously, the people whose fighter LOST always scream louder, because they LOST. This time however, unlike Oquendo-Byrd, the decision is LEGIT.

Nobody stole Hopkins' belts but father time and a country boy from Little Rock, Arkansas. :boxing:
To take the champs belt you have to beat him & Taylor did not do enough in my opinion. Should have been a draw or a Hopkins 115-113.

The rules are not and should not be adjusted to favor anyone, champ or not. Hopkins didn't do enough to retain his belts. He thought he was going to pull an Eastman on Taylor, and it didn't work. Taylor did do enough, because he won more rounds. The late rounds don't count any more than the early rounds.

It was a close fight, I'l say that. Nowhere near a robbery though. 60-70% of people agree Taylor won by my count so far from these polls. Losers scream the loudest.

********** and maxboxing both have articles about how they felt b hop won and that he landed the more crisper blows..I still got to see this fight but damn rematch has got to happen

Why are all of your posts in half caps and most of your thread titles misspelled? Makes your posts look bad.

we should just appreciate the fight and let the rematch do the talking for both of the fighters...

I dont think there will be any doubts after the second fight....

but it was pretty interesting how Taylor's facial expression didn't really show that he was confident about the win... he sort of looked SUPER SURPRISED when they were like "AND ... NEW... WORLD MIDDLEWEIGHT.... CHAMPION"....

He needs to just go in there a knock the old fart out...
Or the old guy needs to go in there and outwork Taylor for 12 rounds

What happened to the good ol' days of middleweights where they just tried to take each other's heads off... wussup with this circling and holding hands???

Whatever happens i think it'll be more action packed...

Guys! B-hop was NOT robbed. His "crisper, cleaner blows" helped him win 4-5 rounds. He lost the rest. Why is that so hard to understand?????

This isn't Pride where they judge the overall match. If Taylor won rounds 1-11 by only throwing 5 shots & B-hop won round 12 by throwing 100 shots & knocking Taylor down twice, TAYLOR STILL WINS BY DECISION.

Get it?

I wouldn't put him in the same league as Hagler. Hagler fought a prime Hearns (he'd destroyed Duran, and would have destroyed Leonard if they'd fought around this time too) and beat him in one of the most memorable middleweight fights EVER. Hagler also fought and arguably beat Leonard, Fletcher, Roldan,(his quality of opposition was MUCH tougher) and avenged his two previous loses easily. I don't think Hopkins could have avenged his loss to RJJ had RJJ remained a middleweight.

Only reason Jermain got that second judge's last round was because of the pro-taylor crowd. Had it been pro-Hop it'd have ended the opposite way. Bernard got robbed and this kid was sloppy.

They both are skinny runts tho. Ruiz **** them up, both at the same time.

********** and maxboxing both have articles about how they felt b hop won and that he landed the more crisper blows..I still got to see this fight but damn rematch has got to happen

His belts certaintly wern't taken by Taylor...hell Taylor was the one get pumbled in the late rounds. Bernard needs to start fast in the rematch.

********** and maxboxing both have articles about how they felt b hop won and that he landed the more crisper blows..I still got to see this fight but damn rematch has got to happen
That's how many fans felt when Hagler lost to Sugar Ray.

The rules are not and should not be adjusted to favor anyone, champ or not. Hopkins didn't do enough to retain his belts. He thought he was going to pull an Eastman on Taylor, and it didn't work. Taylor did do enough, because he won more rounds. The late rounds don't count any more than the early rounds.

It was a close fight, I'l say that. Nowhere near a robbery though. 60-70% of people agree Taylor won by my count so far from these polls. Losers scream the loudest. You are right the rules should not be adjusted to favor anyone but lets be realistic throughout the history of sports they have. Isn't it obvious when Jerry Rice turns around after an incomplete pass & asks for pass interference that it usually happens even though there was no P.I. How bout that Michael Jordan can obviously push off on Byron Russell in the Finals & not get called for it or that Barry Bonds gets the benefit of the doubt on any corner pitches. All-Time greats get that kind of respect & I have no problem with it because they earned it. Any other great boxing champion fighting that same fight would have walked away with the win or at least a draw. Face it HBO is so ****in glad that Taylor won as they have been pumping him up as the next biggest thing since he came on the scene. Did you listen to the telecast? Lampley & Merchant were talking up missed shots by Taylor but not saying anything about solid shots Bernard landed. Only RJJ, whose actually been in the ring, saw the fight correctly & knew that Taylor didn't do enough to take a 12 year champions belt. Best case for Taylor should have been a draw & for people who say Hopkins lost all first 8 rounds. He won round five easily & rounds like 3, 7, and 8 were very close. Ask youself this, If this same fight was fought by JCC (being Hopkins) & DLH (being up & coming Taylor) would DLH have walked away with this decision? Hell NO! Hopkins is hated by many in the industry because he is a man hard to do business with that fights to have things take place under his terms instead of being walked over& that why one Judge had round 12 to Taylor when everyone with a set of eyes saw that was Hopkins round.

Rick Reeno is boxingscene right?

Round 1 - Hopkins runs across the ring, halts and paws with the jab. Straight right by Taylor. Combo by Taylor as Hopkins came in. Two jabs by Taylor. Hopkins ties him up. Taylor jabbing and misses a right. They trade at the bell. First round goes to Taylor.

Round 2 - HBO gave Taylor the last round. Hopkins only threw 12 punches in the last round. Taylor pulls Hopkins down, ref breaks them apart. Taylor just rocked Hopkins big with a right hand and Hopkins flew across the ring and into the ropes. Crowd is on their feet, huge bodyshot by Taylor. Crowd is going berzerk and cheering for Taylor. Left hook by Taylor and a bodyshot. Big jab by Taylor right now. Right hand by Hopkins. They tie up and Hopkins landing inside shots. Taylor misses a left, Hopkins lands a right. Big round for Taylor.

Round 3 - HBO gave Taylor the last round. They tie in and Hopkins lands a few shots while holding Taylor. Ref warns Hopkins. Bodyhshot by Taylor, misses the right and lands two big jabs. Crowd is wild for anything Taylor lands. They trade jabs. Right hand lead by Hopkins. Good left hook by Hopkins. Taylor attacks Hopkins and lands a left-right combination. Another round for Taylor.

Round 4 - HBO gave Taylor the last round. Taylor misses a right, Hopkins ties him and lands shots on the inside. Good left hook by Taylor backs Hopkins up. They tie in and exchange shots. Hopkins misses a right. Taylor jabbing Hopkins back. The two men are jabbing and Taylor is winning. Taylor misses an uppercut. Combo pushes Hopkins back, Hopkins counters with a left hook. They tie up and Hopkins landing on the inside. Taylor attacks with a flurry, Hopkins ties him up and they exchange at the bell. Another round for Taylor.

Round 5 - Hopkins comes out jabbing. HBO gave Taylor the last round. Very defensive by both men right now. Big left hook by Hopkins. There was a clash of heads and there is a cut on the forehead of Taylor. Blood is streaming on Taylor's face. Taylor attacks Hopkins and Bernard ties him up. Nady breaks them, Bernard lands a hook. Two big right hands by Hopkins. Hopkins clows around and comes in landing on Taylor. Right hand by Hopkins. Bodyshot by Taylor, left by Taylor. Misses the right, Hopkins shuffles the shoulders. Taylro rushes him and the two men are exchanging big shots. Great round. Hopkins wins his first.

Round 6 - HBO gave Hopkins the last round. Huge Taylor chant starts as bothe men circle around. Takor is jabbing away. Blood flowing from Taylor's cut. Both men miss left hands. Taylor goes to the body. Taylor combos on Bernard against the ropes. Hopkins lands a right hand. Left lands for Taylor, right lands for Hopkins. Taylor goes to the body. Another round for Taylor.

Round 7 - HBO gives the last round to Taylor. Hopkins is throwing only 18 punches per round. Both men missing big shots. Big right hand counter for Hopkins, Taylor misses the counter. The tie up, ref breaks them. Hopkins hitting Taylor while holding, ref warns Hopkins and breaks them up. Both men jabbing at the bell. Another round for Taylor.

Round 8 - HBO gave the last round to Taylor. Taylor rushes in and misses a few punches, Taylor rushes in and misses some more punches. Taylor misses an uppercut. Taylor comes in with the jab and misses a right hand. The two men start to exchange a few punches. Now they start jabbing. Big left hook by Hopkins back Taylor up. They exchange jabs. Hopkins rushes in, hodls an hits Taylor. Ref warns Hopkins that points will be taken away soon. Another round for Taylor.

Round 9 - HBO gave the last round to Taylor. Big right hand by Hopkins. Big bodyshots by Taylor and Taylor goes to the head. Taylor moves away before Hopkins can counter. The two men jab. Jab snaps the head of Hopkins back. They tie up and Nady breaks them. They tie up and Hopkins landing some inside shots. Jab by Hopkins, they tie up and ref breaks them again. They tie up once again and exchange a few shots. Right hand counter by Hopkins, Taylor misses a left and Hopkins with two more right hands. Hopkins I feel stole the round at the end.

Round 10 - Bot men are jabbing. HBO gave Hopkins the last round. They jab and tie up, Hopkins lands a right and Taylor lands a left. They are fighting on the inside. Now they begin to trade some big shots as the crowd is on their feet. Taylor slips down from a missed right hand. Huge right hand rocks Taylro bad and he is holding onto Hopkins. Ref breaks them and Hopkins lands another nig right hand and another. Taylor with a left, Hopkins with two big right hands. Huge round for Hopkins.

Round 11 - HBO gave Hopkins the last round. Taylor misses a right. Hopkins with a right over the top. Taylor lands a left hook. Big combo by Hopkins. Let-right combo by Hopkins. Hopkins with a three punch combo and he mimics the Taylor shuffle. Taylor with a combo. Left by Taylor. Taylor's left eye is swelling. Huge 5 punch combo blasts Taylor into the ropes, Taylor misses his counters. Huge round for Hopkins again. Hopkins needs a KO to win on my card and on HBO's card.

Round 12 - Hopkins is coming in looking for the KO, Taylor fights him off. Huge right by Taylor. Hopkins missing his counters. Huge right by Hopkins. Huge combo by Hopkins. Big right by Taylor, Hopkins with a right. Another right by Hopkins. Hopkins now jabbing. Three big right hands wobble Taylor. They exchange at the bell. Hopkins wins the final round. I have Taylor winning the fight, 115-113, HBO has the same score.

taylor didn't do enough to take the champs' belts. you don't become champion with a fight like that. you need to beat the hell outta the champ or KO him.

Rick Reeno is boxingscene right?

Round 1 - Hopkins runs across the ring, halts and paws with the jab. Straight right by Taylor. Combo by Taylor as Hopkins came in. Two jabs by Taylor. Hopkins ties him up. Taylor jabbing and misses a right. They trade at the bell. First round goes to Taylor.

Round 2 - HBO gave Taylor the last round. Hopkins only threw 12 punches in the last round. Taylor pulls Hopkins down, ref breaks them apart. Taylor just rocked Hopkins big with a right hand and Hopkins flew across the ring and into the ropes. Crowd is on their feet, huge bodyshot by Taylor. Crowd is going berzerk and cheering for Taylor. Left hook by Taylor and a bodyshot. Big jab by Taylor right now. Right hand by Hopkins. They tie up and Hopkins landing inside shots. Taylor misses a left, Hopkins lands a right. Big round for Taylor.

Round 3 - HBO gave Taylor the last round. They tie in and Hopkins lands a few shots while holding Taylor. Ref warns Hopkins. Bodyhshot by Taylor, misses the right and lands two big jabs. Crowd is wild for anything Taylor lands. They trade jabs. Right hand lead by Hopkins. Good left hook by Hopkins. Taylor attacks Hopkins and lands a left-right combination. Another round for Taylor.

Round 4 - HBO gave Taylor the last round. Taylor misses a right, Hopkins ties him and lands shots on the inside. Good left hook by Taylor backs Hopkins up. They tie in and exchange shots. Hopkins misses a right. Taylor jabbing Hopkins back. The two men are jabbing and Taylor is winning. Taylor misses an uppercut. Combo pushes Hopkins back, Hopkins counters with a left hook. They tie up and Hopkins landing on the inside. Taylor attacks with a flurry, Hopkins ties him up and they exchange at the bell. Another round for Taylor.

Round 5 - Hopkins comes out jabbing. HBO gave Taylor the last round. Very defensive by both men right now. Big left hook by Hopkins. There was a clash of heads and there is a cut on the forehead of Taylor. Blood is streaming on Taylor's face. Taylor attacks Hopkins and Bernard ties him up. Nady breaks them, Bernard lands a hook. Two big right hands by Hopkins. Hopkins clows around and comes in landing on Taylor. Right hand by Hopkins. Bodyshot by Taylor, left by Taylor. Misses the right, Hopkins shuffles the shoulders. Taylro rushes him and the two men are exchanging big shots. Great round. Hopkins wins his first.

Round 6 - HBO gave Hopkins the last round. Huge Taylor chant starts as bothe men circle around. Takor is jabbing away. Blood flowing from Taylor's cut. Both men miss left hands. Taylor goes to the body. Taylor combos on Bernard against the ropes. Hopkins lands a right hand. Left lands for Taylor, right lands for Hopkins. Taylor goes to the body. Another round for Taylor.

Round 7 - HBO gives the last round to Taylor. Hopkins is throwing only 18 punches per round. Both men missing big shots. Big right hand counter for Hopkins, Taylor misses the counter. The tie up, ref breaks them. Hopkins hitting Taylor while holding, ref warns Hopkins and breaks them up. Both men jabbing at the bell. Another round for Taylor.

Round 8 - HBO gave the last round to Taylor. Taylor rushes in and misses a few punches, Taylor rushes in and misses some more punches. Taylor misses an uppercut. Taylor comes in with the jab and misses a right hand. The two men start to exchange a few punches. Now they start jabbing. Big left hook by Hopkins back Taylor up. They exchange jabs. Hopkins rushes in, hodls an hits Taylor. Ref warns Hopkins that points will be taken away soon. Another round for Taylor.

Round 9 - HBO gave the last round to Taylor. Big right hand by Hopkins. Big bodyshots by Taylor and Taylor goes to the head. Taylor moves away before Hopkins can counter. The two men jab. Jab snaps the head of Hopkins back. They tie up and Nady breaks them. They tie up and Hopkins landing some inside shots. Jab by Hopkins, they tie up and ref breaks them again. They tie up once again and exchange a few shots. Right hand counter by Hopkins, Taylor misses a left and Hopkins with two more right hands. Hopkins I feel stole the round at the end.

Round 10 - Bot men are jabbing. HBO gave Hopkins the last round. They jab and tie up, Hopkins lands a right and Taylor lands a left. They are fighting on the inside. Now they begin to trade some big shots as the crowd is on their feet. Taylor slips down from a missed right hand. Huge right hand rocks Taylro bad and he is holding onto Hopkins. Ref breaks them and Hopkins lands another nig right hand and another. Taylor with a left, Hopkins with two big right hands. Huge round for Hopkins.

Round 11 - HBO gave Hopkins the last round. Taylor misses a right. Hopkins with a right over the top. Taylor lands a left hook. Big combo by Hopkins. Let-right combo by Hopkins. Hopkins with a three punch combo and he mimics the Taylor shuffle. Taylor with a combo. Left by Taylor. Taylor's left eye is swelling. Huge 5 punch combo blasts Taylor into the ropes, Taylor misses his counters. Huge round for Hopkins again. Hopkins needs a KO to win on my card and on HBO's card.

Round 12 - Hopkins is coming in looking for the KO, Taylor fights him off. Huge right by Taylor. Hopkins missing his counters. Huge right by Hopkins. Huge combo by Hopkins. Big right by Taylor, Hopkins with a right. Another right by Hopkins. Hopkins now jabbing. Three big right hands wobble Taylor. They exchange at the bell. Hopkins wins the final round. I have Taylor winning the fight, 115-113, HBO has the same score.
Hopkins won rd 5 & the last four rounds of the fight. Rounds like 3, 7, & 8 were close & could have gone either way & are usually scored toward the Champion. If Hopkins gets 1 of those rounds the fight is a draw. What is ridiculous is that rd 12 was scored on one card for Taylor. Huh I wonder if HBO or any outside force had anything to do with that.

If you scored Hopkins winning then you cant score boxing, there's no doubt Taylor won the majority of rounds. Maybe Taylor didnt win them big but Hopkins has only himself to blame, as soon as he got going he was dominating the fight, it was just too little, too late.

The middle weight division is so weak a half cooked talent can become the top dog, Taylors good but not elite yet, guess he'll have to grow into the role because i doubt Hopkins can beat him in the rematch. Just goes to show how much Hopkins has declined as a fighter.

If you scored Hopkins winning then you cant score boxing, there's no doubt Taylor won the majority of rounds. Maybe Taylor didnt win them big but Hopkins has only himself to blame, as soon as he got going he was dominating the fight, it was just too little, too late. IS 6 ROUNDS TO 6 A MAJORITY. NO IT ISN'T. I HAD IT A DRAW, BUT NO WAY DOES THE CHALLENGER GET THE SPLIT IN A FIGHT LIKE THIS.

IS 6 ROUNDS TO 6 A MAJORITY. NO IT ISN'T. I HAD IT A DRAW, BUT NO WAY DOES THE CHALLENGER GET THE SPLIT IN A FIGHT LIKE THIS.

Hopkins didnt start working until late in the fight, even though Taylor didnt do a lot he was still winning the rounds. Hopkins only fought hard for the last 3 which is terrible. I had Hopkins needing a KO after the mid rounds.

Saying a champion should get the decision over a challenger just because he's a champion is complete bull****, if you had it 6 rounds each then in your opinion it was a draw.

Only RJJ, whose actually been in the ring, saw the fight correctly & knew that Taylor didn't do enough to take a 12 year champions belt.

Roy never said that really. He said it probably should have been a draw, and even he agreed Hopkins started late.

This isn't other sports. There should be no favoritism period. I don't care if Hopkins is champ, he just doesn't get rounds or to keep his title just by showing up.

:bottle:

That's great that all those guys in other sports got calls they shouldn't have. The only thing of relevance is that they should have never gotten them in the first place. Hopkins should not have relied on such follied thinking being the wise old pro that he is.

Only RJJ, whose actually been in the ring, saw the fight correctly & knew that Taylor didn't do enough to take a 12 year champions belt.

Even if Jones said that he doesnt mean its true, i'm not calling Jones a liar but he was the last person to beat Hopkins, he probably wanted to be the last so he can say he fought and beat great fighters. Hopkins was one of Jones best opponents so anything that effect his legacy will effect Jones' because all the "Jones didnt fight anyone" bull**** people say.

Roy never said that really. He said it probably should have been a draw, and even he agreed Hopkins started late.

This isn't other sports. There should be no favoritism period. I don't care if Hopkins is champ, he just doesn't get rounds or to keep his title just by showing up.

:bottle:

That's great that all those guys in other sports got calls they shouldn't have. The only thing of relevance is that they should have never gotten them in the first place. Hopkins should not have relied on such follied thinking being the wise old pro that he is. I'm not saying all he had to do was show up. I'm saying that Taylor needed to do more than he did to take the champs title. & as far as the sport of boxing, throughout the history of boxing Champions have 90% of the time got the benefit of the doubt in close rounds. I'm not saying it is right but that is how it has been for years & it is funny that now it has changed. Shame on you for saying that "this is boxing not those other sports" like boxing is honest & ethical. All those sports I mentioned have more ethics than boxing ever has.

I'll give props to Taylor because he got the decision, but I still disagree with the final scores. I thought Hopkins deserve the win and not just because I was rooting for Hopkins. I honestly believe that JT was relying too much on that jab of his to try and set up some thing big that never ended happening. Hop although he did start late, should have gotten the decision. For anyone that says the last rounds don't count for ****, tell that to DLH and Trinidad!

I'll give props to Taylor because he got the decision, but I still disagree with the final scores. I thought Hopkins deserve the win and not just because I was rooting for Hopkins. I honestly believe that JT was relying too much on that jab of his to try and set up some thing big that never ended happening. Hop although he did start late, should have gotten the decision. For anyone that says the last rounds don't count for ****, tell that to DLH and Trinidad! Those rounds are called "CHAMPIONSHIP ROUNDS" for a reason & if you believe that then there is no way Taylor should be champion. SHOULD have been a 6rd to 6 rd draw.

To take the champs belt you have to beat him & Taylor did not do enough in my opinion. Should have been a draw or a Hopkins 115-113.

Well it's easier to say that in retrospect, but all the judges can do is score each round individually.

Hopkins won rd 5 & the last four rounds of the fight. Rounds like 3, 7, & 8 were close & could have gone either way & are usually scored toward the Champion. If Hopkins gets 1 of those rounds the fight is a draw. What is ridiculous is that rd 12 was scored on one card for Taylor. Huh I wonder if HBO or any outside force had anything to do with that.

True, BUT, that same judge gave Hopkins rd 2 which was definately a Taylor rd.

I'll give props to Taylor because he got the decision, but I still disagree with the final scores. I thought Hopkins deserve the win and not just because I was rooting for Hopkins. I honestly believe that JT was relying too much on that jab of his to try and set up some thing big that never ended happening. Hop although he did start late, should have gotten the decision. For anyone that says the last rounds don't count for ****, tell that to DLH and Trinidad!

Well if you start AFTER you already lost 7 rds then you would need a knockdown OR a knockout, right?