View Full Version : Old School Boxers Physique's Compared To Current Fighters Physique's.


MeccaOfBoxing
07-30-2010, 05:22 PM
I find it amazing how different body types of old school fighters and modern day fighters really are.

I find pre 1950's the great were no were near as ripped, muscley, or toned. They didn't all have these incredible physique's with a 6 pack or massive biceps etc.

Let's take a look at some of some old school fighter's physique's.

Tony Canzoneri
http://www.fighttoys.com/Canzoneri%201-16-30%20(b).JPG

Jack Dempsey
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/18/62018-004-05AD4359.jpg

Harry Greb.
http://www.elitefts.com/images/PICTURES/boxing/harrygreb.jpg

Jimmy Mclarnin
http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/1/13/McLarnin.Jimmy.2.jpg

Now these fighters were truley some of the best of all time. But yet, there physique's looked mostly average. Yet most of todays crop of fighters have these incredible physique's with a 6 pack or massive biceps etc.

Thoughts and views on this subject?

A look at some current modern day fighters Physique's. Next page.........

MeccaOfBoxing
07-30-2010, 05:25 PM
Timoth Bradley
http://fr.canoe.ca/archives/24hmontreal/sports/media/2009/04/20090403-205024-g.jpg

http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/330/David-Haye15.jpg

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/files/2009/10/manny_pacquiao1.jpg

http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/yuriorkisgamboa.jpg

GJC
07-30-2010, 05:31 PM
Think it applies to a lot of sports.
Think people know a lot more about diet and maybe some dodgy chemicals these days.

I think that in a lot of sports these days you have people who are fine general athletes who find a sport to use their physique on and learn the rudiments and play by numbers. They don't have the missing x factor i.e. a god given skill the ability to do something different. These guys know whatever game they take up from A to Z but are not naturals and would struggle to re write the book.
Guess a non boxing example might be Nadal and McEnroe?

MeccaOfBoxing
07-30-2010, 05:33 PM
Think it applies to a lot of sports.
Think people know a lot more about diet and maybe some dodgy chemicals these days.

I think that in a lot of sports these days you have people who are fine general athletes who find a sport to use their physique on and learn the rudiments and play by numbers. They don't have the missing x factor i.e. a god given skill the ability to do something different. These guys know whatever game they take up from A to Z but are not naturals and would struggle to re write the book.
Guess a non boxing example might be Nadal and McEnroe?

But do you think todays fighters are a little busy obsessing over diet and nutrition, weights etc when they should be a boxing gym learning?

It boxing not bodybuilding......

--Israel--
07-30-2010, 05:43 PM
They had better chins... :D

frankenfrank
07-30-2010, 06:11 PM
For the past fighters Good examples could be : Walcott (Cream) , Norton and Foreman . Maybe Shavers too.
For the present / near past you should have mentioned : Bruno , Holyfield , Wladimir Klitschko and in the below HW Thomas Hearns , Chris Eubank , Julian Jackson .

CarlosG815
07-30-2010, 06:12 PM
Jack Johnson had one of the most incredible physiques I've ever seen. From his legs to his shoulders, he was a rare type for his time. Must have been from years of hard work and good genetics.

Vadrigar.
07-30-2010, 06:18 PM
Jack Johnson had one of the most incredible physiques I've ever seen. From his legs to his shoulders, he was a rare type for his time. Must have been from years of hard work and good genetics.

Yeah, pretty good physique:

http://highbridnation.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jack-johnson.jpg

TheMagicMan
07-30-2010, 06:21 PM
Yeah, pretty good physique:

http://highbridnation.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jack-johnson.jpg

uhh...are you kidding me, dudes body looks like Juan Diaz's. Compared to Wlad hes trash.

GJC
07-30-2010, 06:40 PM
But do you think todays fighters are a little busy obsessing over diet and nutrition, weights etc when they should be a boxing gym learning?

It boxing not bodybuilding......
Couldn't agree more, a lot of fighters I see nowadays seem to even know the basics but not much else.

TheHolyCross
07-30-2010, 07:01 PM
But do you think todays fighters are a little busy obsessing over diet and nutrition, weights etc when they should be a boxing gym learning?

It boxing not bodybuilding......

not really, when im in training it's usually an hour(two hours on mon-wed-fri)everyday and i got more abs and definition to show than those guys

just shadowboxing
sparring(on mon-wed-fri)
situps
pullups
running
pushups


no weights

MeccaOfBoxing
07-30-2010, 10:53 PM
>BuMp!.........!!!!!!!

S31KOU
07-30-2010, 11:06 PM
I believe guys fought more at their natural weights and didnt have to get rid of all their water weight

One more round
07-30-2010, 11:38 PM
There were still plenty of fighters back in the day who were pretty ripped


http://www.arcigayroma.it/rcm/foto1/449_1.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/furniture/in_depth/other_sports/2000/middleweight_masters/photos/turpin.jpg

http://www.boxingdvds4u.com/norton.jpg

http://hybridsnick.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/muhammad_ali_versus_sonny_liston1.jpg

sleazyfellow
07-31-2010, 01:26 AM
Del la hoya doesn't have the ripped muscular look, so it doesn't apply to 100% of the fighters today. Roberto duran also wasn't ripped like a monster(but he had problems with his weight).

them_apples
07-31-2010, 03:52 AM
Timoth Bradley
http://fr.canoe.ca/archives/24hmontreal/sports/media/2009/04/20090403-205024-g.jpg

http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/330/David-Haye15.jpg

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/files/2009/10/manny_pacquiao1.jpg

http://www.thenervousbreakdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/yuriorkisgamboa.jpg

you are comparing white people to other races. Not to be racist about it but genetics plays a big role.

Roy Robinson was just as ripped as those punks. Although boxers nowadays tend to have more developed muscle tone.

Toney Loc
07-31-2010, 03:56 AM
you are comparing white people to other races. Not to be racist about it but genetics plays a big role.

Roy Robinson was just as ripped as those punks. Although boxers nowadays tend to have more developed muscle tone.

Ding Ding Ding.

them_apples
07-31-2010, 04:11 AM
Yeah, pretty good physique:

http://highbridnation.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jack-johnson.jpg

considering they didn't lift weights back then he must have been a strong SOB to have all that natural muscle.

sonnyboyx2
07-31-2010, 06:56 AM
Jack Johnson had one of the most incredible physiques I've ever seen. From his legs to his shoulders, he was a rare type for his time. Must have been from years of hard work and good genetics.

i agree... Jack Johnson had an incredible physique

NChristo
07-31-2010, 08:00 AM
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii209/jennetteboxer/primocarneraskippingrope.jpg

http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii209/jennetteboxer/primosclothes-line.jpg

Carnera had a great physique too, better then most of todays heavies anyway.

NChristo
07-31-2010, 08:13 AM
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii209/jennetteboxer/Jennette-Kubiak.jpg

Joe Jeannete
Not a very good pic but you can see how well defined his torso is and how big his shoulders are.

Stallone60
07-31-2010, 09:24 AM
I always believe that the man in the ring that doesnt have as much definition has the better chance of winning the final in the later stages of the fight. The fighters i have always admired for there conditioning are:

Holyfield (Never seen this man out of shape ever, prob the best conditioned ever)
Benn (95 vs McClellen the best ive ever sn benn)
Eubank (All his career in good shape)
Tyson ( 95 vs McNeeley great muscle mass and ripped)

Mannie Phresh
07-31-2010, 09:27 AM
uhh...are you kidding me, dudes body looks like Juan Diaz's. Compared to Wlad hes trash.

do you daydream about wlad ass raping you?

SBleeder
07-31-2010, 11:27 AM
Physique means nothing.

Vadrigar.
07-31-2010, 11:50 AM
Physique means nothing.

Yeah, but we're just comparing them and asking why they're different.

Ziggy Stardust
07-31-2010, 12:03 PM
Yeah, but we're just comparing them and asking why they're different.

I think the difference is that these days people are hung up on superficial appearance. Having a six-pack doesn't help you one bit in the ring but since it LOOKS impressive people go ga-ga over it. If being ripped was the measuring stick of ring performance then Frank Bruno would have been the GOAT.

Poet

Vadrigar.
07-31-2010, 12:08 PM
I think the difference is that these days people are hung up on superficial appearance. Having a six-pack doesn't help you one bit in the ring but since it LOOKS impressive people go ga-ga over it. If being ripped was the measuring stick of ring performance then Frank Bruno would have been the GOAT.

Poet

Yeah this is what I had in my mind, just couldn't type it out :lol1:
So I just replied short and quick.


You may have missed this:


Sugar Ray Robinson
http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardian/stage/gallery/2008/aug/28/theatre.dance/EMP-481671-2423.jpg

Sugar Shane Mosley
http://www.goldenboypromotions.com/media/2009/jan/1.23.09_mosley_wi/1.jpg

Judging by the pictures, If you ask casual fan who would win, they'll probably say Shane Mosley. Your thoughts?

Cassius Liston
07-31-2010, 12:12 PM
Yeah this is what I had in my mind, just couldn't type it out :lol1:
So I just replied short and quick.


You may have missed this:


Sugar Ray Robinson
http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardian/stage/gallery/2008/aug/28/theatre.dance/EMP-481671-2423.jpg

Sugar Shane Mosley
http://www.goldenboypromotions.com/media/2009/jan/1.23.09_mosley_wi/1.jpg

If you ask casual fan who would win, they'll probably say Shane Mosley. Your thoughts?

thats laughable....Ray Robinson is top three G.O.A.T

TheHolyCross
07-31-2010, 12:13 PM
dare i say evo :ugh:

Ziggy Stardust
07-31-2010, 12:19 PM
Yeah this is what I had in my mind, just couldn't type it out :lol1:
So I just replied short and quick.


You may have missed this:


Sugar Ray Robinson
http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardian/stage/gallery/2008/aug/28/theatre.dance/EMP-481671-2423.jpg

Sugar Shane Mosley
http://www.goldenboypromotions.com/media/2009/jan/1.23.09_mosley_wi/1.jpg

If you ask casual fan who would win, they'll probably say Shane Mosley. Your thoughts?

Think of the difference here: Robinson's definition is natural, coming from no more than exercise and physical activity and most likely physical labor in his younger years; in other words useful muscle definition. Mosely's definition is the product of weights and sculpting.....ie non-useful muscle definition. Robinson's is to DO things with, Mosely's is for show.

Think of all those body builders out there pumping up these humungous muscles: Those are useless muscles that aren't good for anything but showing off.....practically all of those weight lifters would be unable to box. In fact, the first time they tried throwing punches they'd probably wind up tearing those precious show muscles of theirs.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
07-31-2010, 12:21 PM
dare i say evo :ugh:

Say it elsewhere where people are too ignorant to realize you're full of sh1t :bullsh1t9:

Poet

NChristo
07-31-2010, 12:22 PM
dare i say evo :ugh:

You really think humans have evolved over 50 or so years ?.

If you compare boxers back then and now you'll find their physiques havn't changed much at all, I posted a pic of 2 random boxers who I just happened to be looking up at the time, Joe Jeanette (100 years ago) and Primo Carnera (60-70 years ago) and they can easily compare with the physiques of today's boxers.

The only thing that has evolved is PEDS.

Vadrigar.
07-31-2010, 12:22 PM
dare i say evo :ugh:

:lol1:

Oh dear.........

TheHolyCross
07-31-2010, 12:27 PM
You really think humans have evolved over 50 or so years ?.

If you compare boxers back then and now you'll find their physiques havn't changed much at all, I posted a pic of 2 random boxers who I just happened to be looking up at the time, Joe Jeanette (100 years ago) and Primo Carnera (60-70 years ago) and they can easily compare with the physiques of today's boxers.

The only thing that has evolved is PEDS.

lol, so you found some people ahead of their time?

is PED's why people are getting taller too, scary :ugh:

Ziggy Stardust
07-31-2010, 12:28 PM
You really think humans have evolved over 50 or so years ?.

If you compare boxers back then and now you'll find their physiques havn't changed much at all, I posted a pic of 2 random boxers who I just happened to be looking up at the time, Joe Jeanette (100 years ago) and Primo Carnera (60-70 years ago) and they can easily compare with the physiques of today's boxers.

The only thing that has evolved is PEDS.

It's even worse: He thinks humans have evolved over the past 10-20 years :hahahaha9: It must be "magic" at work since biological evolution takes place over hundreds of thousands of years not a could of decades :rofl9:

Poet

TheHolyCross
07-31-2010, 12:32 PM
Think of the difference here: Robinson's definition is natural, coming from no more than exercise and physical activity and most likely physical labor in his younger years; in other words useful muscle definition. Mosely's definition is the product of weights and sculpting.....ie non-useful muscle definition. Robinson's is to DO things with, Mosely's is for show.

Think of all those body builders out there pumping up these humungous muscles: Those are useless muscles that aren't good for anything but showing off.....practically all of those weight lifters would be unable to box. In fact, the first time they tried throwing punches they'd probably wind up tearing those precious show muscles of theirs.

Poet
or maybe it's diet, no, proper food and bodyfat has nothin to do with muscle definition, it's all weights, muscle fo sho :ugh:

NChristo
07-31-2010, 12:38 PM
lol, so you found some people ahead of their time?

is PED's why people are getting taller too, scary :ugh:

Some people ahead of their time ?.
Can't be bothered doing your homework for you and posting pictures of others, goto the Classic Boxing Pictures thread, I guess all the people in there that had good physiques are ahead of their time as well.

If we're all evolving into Arreola's and Tua's, god help the future of mankind.

Ziggy Stardust
07-31-2010, 12:38 PM
or maybe it's diet, no, proper food and bodyfat has nothin to do with muscle definition, it's all weights, muscle fo sho :ugh:

That and 'roids.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
07-31-2010, 12:47 PM
or maybe it's diet, no, proper food and bodyfat has nothin to do with muscle definition, it's all weights, muscle fo sho :ugh:

You see, what this silly little retard doesn't get (aside from the fact that people growing larger is a different subject from physique and muscle definition) is that better diet, cleaner air and water, better medicine, ect. ect. ect. works both ways: If a fighter from today is placed back in, say, the 1940 he wouldn't get the benefit of the afore mentioned nutrition, evironment, and medicine; while a fighter from the 1940s placed in today's world WOULD get those benefits. BTW, people growing larger on average IS a result of those environmental factors mention and NOT a product of biological evolution :bringit9:

Poet

Cassius Liston
07-31-2010, 01:18 PM
You see, what this silly little retard doesn't get (aside from the fact that people growing larger is a different subject from physique and muscle definition) is that better diet, cleaner air and water, better medicine, ect. ect. ect. works both ways: If a fighter from today is placed back in, say, the 1940 he wouldn't get the benefit of the afore mentioned nutrition, evironment, and medicine; while a fighter from the 1940s placed in today's world WOULD get those benefits. BTW, people growing larger on average IS a result of those environmental factors mention and NOT a product of biological evolution :bringit9:

Poet

Imagine the great fighters from back whenever in todays ranks with proper diet and training ....that would be amazing

DarkTerror88
07-31-2010, 01:35 PM
Imagine the great fighters from back whenever in todays ranks with proper diet and training ....that would be amazing

Guys like Joe Louis and SRR would be total monsters!

SBleeder
07-31-2010, 05:25 PM
Imagine the great fighters from back whenever in todays ranks with proper diet and training ....that would be amazing

Fighters from the past generally trained a lot harder than modern fighters. And I doubt the old great fighters ate poorly.

nomadman
07-31-2010, 06:21 PM
Whilst I agree that there are certainly more impressive physiques in boxing nowadays than in the past (outside of the heavies of course) I don't think it's fair to compare fighters simply posing for a photo with fighters who've had to boil down for a weigh-in and are most likely dehydrated and at a dangerously low bodyfat percentage. Of course those guys are going to look more ripped.

nomadman
07-31-2010, 06:24 PM
Off topic, but I always get a chuckle out of the awkward looking poses those old-school fighters put on, like they've just been caught in the middle of a power walk.

frankenfrank
08-01-2010, 03:27 AM
considering they didn't lift weights back then he must have been a strong SOB to have all that natural muscle.

Why do you think they didn't ? or lifted something else ? or did very similar training to lifting weights ?

**** , I forgot , the human race devolved since then :hey:

One more round
08-01-2010, 03:32 AM
Off topic, but I always get a chuckle out of the awkward looking poses those old-school fighters put on, like they've just been caught in the middle of a power walk.

Lol, yeah.

Ziggy Stardust
08-01-2010, 09:50 AM
Off topic, but I always get a chuckle out of the awkward looking poses those old-school fighters put on, like they've just been caught in the middle of a power walk.

Football players back then used to pose in the huckabuck.

Poet

Ziggy Stardust
08-01-2010, 09:53 AM
Why do you think they didn't ? or lifted something else ? or did very similar training to lifting weights ?

**** , I forgot , the human race devolved since then :hey:

Maybe because no boxing trainer worth his salt would have had his fighter lifting? Weights were still verboten for fighters well into the 1990s. Why? Because weights fvck your reflexes and reflexes are far more important to a fighter than mere muscle mass.

Poet

BennyST
08-01-2010, 11:56 AM
There are so many factors in play here. The type of fighter, genetics, photo's (ie. full HD colour vs old grainy black and white), weight and weigh in and exercises.

Weigh ins are a big one. Guys today come in trimmed down to the max to get to their smallest weight and so have next to no body fat while the other guys were at their natural fight weight. Their weigh in photos are the same physique they go to the ring in. Check out many guys at the weigh in compared to when they fight. They look very different. They don't pose also like in the Marg/Mosley photo. It's not as media driven.

It's impossible to know when those photos were taken. Was it during fight time or were they in between fights?

http://www.boxing-memorabilia.com/toney.htm

Here is Joe Gans posing properly. Looks as ripped as any other lightweight today. Actually more ripped than most.
http://www.harrygreb.com/allentownjoegans.html

It's completely dependent on who you're looking at too. You've picked a few boxers from different weight classes that look like that. I could just as easily go find more that were ripped as hell and find a bunch of top champs today that look the same as those guys.

One of the greatest champs of our era. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/article1335797.ece

Some others:

Ricky Hatton
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/photo_galleries/2943122.stm

Ivan Calderon
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/305538/53150181.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/3/2/1332954/ivan-calderon-johnriel-casimero&usg=__C6ajMr4fwWD9gFsVBTZFvozuIjs=&h=1000&w=669&sz=219&hl=en&start=53&tbnid=A2109KJsnoBKdM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=95&prev=/images%3Fq%3Divan%2Bcalderon%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26 client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 10%2C1461&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=238&vpy=320&dur=1120&hovh=275&hovw=184&tx=94&ty=155&ei=Fp5VTNuJAZDEvQPhmOkY&page=3&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:23,s:53&biw=1346&bih=748

BennyST
08-01-2010, 12:37 PM
More of today and some yesterday boxers:
Oscar De La Hoya
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01201/oscar_de_la_hoya_1201419c.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxingandmma/3682233/Manny-Pacquiao-exposed-Oscar-De-La-Hoyas-age-in-their-eight-round-battle-Boxing-and-MMA.html&usg=__f2MnDqNIL-aTfu-zSNOuSTHCZ_0=&h=287&w=460&sz=26&hl=en&start=62&tbnid=4aWoAKyzJlnCTM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=175&prev=/images%3Fq%3Doscar%2Bde%2Bla%2Bhoya%26um%3D1%26hl% 3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 10%2C1336&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=712&vpy=464&dur=4881&hovh=177&hovw=284&tx=174&ty=106&ei=iZ5VTMnmNYWmvQO1muUY&page=3&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:25,s:62&biw=1346&bih=748

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.inewscatcher.com/timages/b9af0852a9038ad28408409f7a02c464.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.inewscatcher.com/2010/04/sergio-martinez-proves-worth-against-kelly-pavlik-pavlik.html&usg=__4bA_EHYGJPdPDhF-i8aH8QoYg7k=&h=410&w=300&sz=25&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=6xYO_C4GruxkAM:&tbnh=158&tbnw=122&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkelly%2Bpavlik%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=719&vpy=95&dur=88&hovh=263&hovw=192&tx=123&ty=117&ei=2Z5VTJbaLIyIvgO397gZ&page=1&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0

Castillo
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/JoseLuisCastilloPA_468x706.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-462859/Money-motivates-Castillo.html&usg=__VnWo2qQhRloLMflLXevgUTp6sNg=&h=706&w=468&sz=67&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=yhUKrKpBZD4PxM:&tbnh=146&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djose%2Bluis%2Bcastillo%26um%3D1%26hl% 3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 10%2C78&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=478&ei=Fp9VTKHNO4uuvgOM37gY&page=1&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:16,s:0&tx=39&ty=61&biw=1346&bih=748

Morales
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://suljosblog.com/david/files/erik_morales1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://suljosblog.com/david/2010/03/25/erik-el-terrible-morales-coming-to-the-uk/&usg=__Z5PgxqfwAek69944qzqjVrTSFm0=&h=362&w=225&sz=29&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=PZCAtOuMJ49wJM:&tbnh=158&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3Derik%2Bmorales%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1130&vpy=80&dur=10279&hovh=285&hovw=177&tx=122&ty=173&ei=W59VTPKHN42ivgODj4kZ&page=1&ndsp=29&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0

BennyST
08-01-2010, 12:37 PM
Henry Armstrong
http://www.nd.edu/~joycecol/exhibits/winkexhibit/Armstrong.710-1-57.jpg

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.infotainmentnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/jackjohnson.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.infotainmentnews.net/2009/10/16/jack-johnson-pardo/&usg=__ZmC7Ud3jX5M0Ertthpr47_BLis0=&h=800&w=592&sz=86&hl=en&start=63&tbnid=MbWA-SSwBlSSqM:&tbnh=133&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3Djack%2Bjohnson%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 10%2C1242&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=526&ei=9p9VTNbALIiuvgPegvkY&page=3&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:63&tx=53&ty=64&biw=1346&bih=748

Lionel Rose
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://media3.aso.gov.au/titlephotos/Lionel_Rose_portrait_800_1_jpg_240x180_crop_q85.jp g&imgrefurl=http://aso.gov.au/titles/radio/lionel-rose-wins-world-title/&usg=__fXFmrLf_A5Z_UCEW4OOiZeOAdNE=&h=180&w=240&sz=10&hl=en&start=54&tbnid=YNkyzO0CxEh6XM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=176&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfighting%2Bharada%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den% 26client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&ei=BqFVTOqTCI-KvQO7_dQZ&page=3&ndsp=26&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:54&tx=91&ty=61

Les Darcy
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.anbhof.com/images/darcy.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.anbhof.com/oldtimers.html&usg=__7jCiHYDAWhlFh6ZUvD3_2kofSxA=&h=200&w=142&sz=30&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=jAFFdwGwY6CqZM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dles%2Bdarcy%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26clie nt%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D4mw%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=828&vpy=433&dur=442&hovh=160&hovw=113&tx=93&ty=87&ei=uKFVTISWJIvovQPz84UZ&page=1&ndsp=33&ved=1t:429,r:21,s:0
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://*********.com/darcy.jpg&imgrefurl=http://*********.com/judgejake/greatnesscutshort.php&usg=__Gsj_xAJvKbXzHdM7IY6U1oVZ0tg=&h=142&w=200&sz=6&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=gdLrOdSPcSPORM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=159&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dles%2Bdarcy%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26clie nt%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3D4mw%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 10%2C44&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=626&ei=uKFVTISWJIvovQPz84UZ&page=1&ndsp=33&ved=1t:429,r:29,s:0&tx=66&ty=85&biw=1346&bih=748

BennyST
08-01-2010, 12:46 PM
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://i10.tinypic.com/34hjj8n.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.********boxing.com/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D214141&usg=__fKah2WtQWrXl-wY7lN1e2-eMqbE=&h=343&w=278&sz=16&hl=en&start=30&tbnid=gWDDPXjdj6K0IM:&tbnh=141&tbnw=119&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSandy%2Bsaddler%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26 client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 10%2C591&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=490&vpy=284&dur=19&hovh=249&hovw=202&tx=117&ty=133&ei=FKJVTM_tFILcvQPL5PgY&page=2&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:30&biw=1346&bih=748

Sam Langford
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/multiculturalism/black/images/samlangford.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/multiculturalism/black/people.asp&usg=__PmHNETZSqZdnek4OcwirirBM3v0=&h=113&w=135&sz=14&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=knlxpNMBAjMz7M:&tbnh=90&tbnw=107&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsam%2Blangford%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&ei=fqNVTKC0JIj8vQO3oP0Y&page=1&ndsp=34&ved=1t:429,r:22,s:0&tx=38&ty=37

When you see an old one in HD after seeing those ones that I put in above of todays fighters, you can see the huge 'difference'.

Harry Greb again: http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.antekprizering.com/grebharry5288.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://www.antekprizering.com/grebharry5288.html&usg=__frzmRf9nSOqPidUkFklYFipW24M=&h=864&w=581&sz=130&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=Xhyc98Wv0irUbM:&tbnh=152&tbnw=102&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dharry%2Bgreb%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26cli ent%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=394&ei=vKNVTJC6NoqIvgPMnegY&page=1&ndsp=34&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0&tx=22&ty=77

Or what about this one? A good HD rendered photo of HW Jim Jeffries, same era as Jack Johnson. You know, a HW like Chris Arreola, Sam Peter, Valuev, Rahman, Toney (well, lets not include him shall we), Tua, Holmes, etc etc.
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://coxscorner.tripod.com/Images/jeffries1900.jpg&imgrefurl=http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jeffries.html&usg=__AJUNSkzapMjKVzSGiS79tHm-FS4=&h=672&w=468&sz=87&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=HAQ1ZgLwBI0uHM:&tbnh=131&tbnw=97&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drocky%2Bmarciano%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%2 6client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&ei=JKRVTNuYLoiivQP1lOkY&page=1&ndsp=31&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0&tx=57&ty=59

them_apples
08-01-2010, 12:53 PM
Why do you think they didn't ? or lifted something else ? or did very similar training to lifting weights ?

**** , I forgot , the human race devolved since then :hey:

he probably chopped wood. or hit a tire with a hammer.

A lot of boxers to this day don't use weights, the ones that do always seem to have **** poor stamina.

I know Zab Judah is an avid weight lifter. Jeff Lacy..I even think Oscar in his first fight with Shane was doing some weights.

BennyST
08-01-2010, 12:58 PM
Check this out: Pre 40's white fighters. Surely their physiques can't compare to Pavlik's, Hatton's, Gavin Rees', Joe Calzaghe's etc etc.

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.anbhof.com/images/lang.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.anbhof.com/oldtimers.html&usg=__GO0uFZTV30vjIl9gS9Kf0Yj7By8=&h=200&w=142&sz=29&hl=en&start=113&tbnid=LenoUpiuqSD1NM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbill%2Blang%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26clie nt%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 10%2C2780&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=542&ei=x6ZVTKeQGo6gvQPVxLEY&page=5&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:14,s:113&tx=30&ty=63&biw=1346&bih=748

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.anbhof.com/images/palmer.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.anbhof.com/oldtimers.html&usg=__BjQviYKTl5OPGcxRNhjMutCiaJs=&h=200&w=142&sz=23&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=_Nv04Yrn1CxX8M:&tbnh=143&tbnw=98&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dambrose%2Bpalmer%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%2 6client%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=457&ei=M6dVTOWbL5HcvQOW8OgY&page=1&ndsp=31&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0&tx=58&ty=63

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.anbhof.com/images/squires.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.anbhof.com/oldtimers.html&usg=___AKhG_sTPi13FPtdUVSeMs9hx6Y=&h=200&w=142&sz=28&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=1UKeYeZWmg82eM:&tbnh=152&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbill%2Bsquires%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=740&ei=f6dVTMSrCpCIvgO1v5jbAQ&page=1&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0&tx=49&ty=69

http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/images/mccoy-kid-11.jpg&imgrefurl=http://cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/mccoy-k.htm&usg=__Ci8a_IxpAC77feg_pL7quWumgnY=&h=405&w=343&sz=49&hl=en&start=26&tbnid=x5p6AbXB7WvkMM:&tbnh=143&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dherb%2Bmccoy%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26cli ent%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D748%26tbs%3Disch: 10%2C745&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=929&ei=pKdVTMHBO5HovQOIqqUY&page=2&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:18,s:26&tx=53&ty=76&biw=1346&bih=748

cameronpaul
08-01-2010, 05:34 PM
i always thought calzaghe wasnt built like a fighter, and he faught pretty well.

AddiX
08-01-2010, 05:55 PM
Diet's were not as strict back than and everything wasn't Done to science. Also factor in all the extra stuff athletes can take today to help them build themselves up.

It makes no difference, they were 20 round fights back than.

Tobi.G
08-02-2010, 06:20 AM
he probably chopped wood. or hit a tire with a hammer.

A lot of boxers to this day don't use weights, the ones that do always seem to have **** poor stamina.

I know Zab Judah is an avid weight lifter. Jeff Lacy..I even think Oscar in his first fight with Shane was doing some weights.

I think weight lifting is a important part of modern day boxing. But it has to be done the right way and not to much. Most boxers today use weights, some more, some less but there is pretty much nobody that doesnt work with weights. And thats the reason why they look better than most of the old time boxers. And of course better nutrition. Boxer today have nutritians, strengt/conditioning coaches = better shape
On the other hand you have more lazy boxers today, they doesnt like to train and train not as hard as they should, especially heavyweights.

them_apples
08-02-2010, 10:45 AM
I think weight lifting is a important part of modern day boxing. But it has to be done the right way and not to much. Most boxers today use weights, some more, some less but there is pretty much nobody that doesnt work with weights. And thats the reason why they look better than most of the old time boxers. And of course better nutrition. Boxer today have nutritians, strengt/conditioning coaches = better shape
On the other hand you have more lazy boxers today, they doesnt like to train and train not as hard as they should, especially heavyweights.

if by weights do you mean 3-5 lb handweights?

Aside from deadlifts I know some boxers that don't use any weights at all. they use calisthenics, do weighted pull ups, medicine ball work and hammer & tire.

BennyST
08-02-2010, 12:20 PM
if by weights do you mean 3-5 lb handweights?

Aside from deadlifts I know some boxers that don't use any weights at all. they use calisthenics, do weighted pull ups, medicine ball work and hammer & tire.

...and this is exactly the stuff that the old timers did. They used small handweights to punch with, did calisthenics, medicine ball, hammer, axe, etc etc etc.

You know what....For people that still think they weren't as ripped...just look at this vid. It has footage from the 40's of Ray Robinson, and various other fighters at 147 pounds and let me tell you, they are all as ripped as anyone today.
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Watch it cunts and learn something about evolution, which is that it does not happen in twenty years. Unless you think that somehow fighters have evolved from Duran, Ali, and Monzon to whoever has ruled lightweight the past decade, the Klits and errr....Pavlik? Anyway, around 2 minutes it starts to show footage and stills of the fighters back then and let me tell you again, they look more ripped than the guys of today!

Hmmm, it would seem we have devolved.

BennyST
08-02-2010, 12:54 PM
I'm still waiting to hear from people that think evolution makes the boxers of today more ripped....or the TS...what's the deal?

Check this out: Another 40's/50's dude with no muscle compared to todays fighters:
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.leamingtoncourier.co.uk/CustomPages/GetImage.aspx%3FImageID%3D55408&imgrefurl=http://www.leamingtoncourier.co.uk/CustomPages/CustomPage.aspx%3FPageID%3D65482&usg=__GEtsRSjvcaG_cGonzPDv6Es8HG4=&h=359&w=250&sz=25&hl=en&start=31&sig2=J3Gtm4rEC84XlpEtck0y-Q&tbnid=P0vGcKrvutPoBM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=118&ei=tfZWTMqsF4PsvQPZwaQY&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drandy%2Bturpin%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D719%26tbs%3Disch: 10%2C525&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=534&page=2&ndsp=31&ved=1t:429,r:14,s:31&tx=76&ty=101&biw=1346&bih=719
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/2/22/Turpin.Randy.2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Randy_Turpin&usg=__-U6m7jGonMFz4AVH2TBBxZ4UySQ=&h=350&w=237&sz=11&hl=en&start=0&sig2=XZ0pqm7OMv65anfX--FZwg&tbnid=jBCjdOk6Zayi8M:&tbnh=140&tbnw=94&ei=ZPZWTJTlPIiqvQOzvqwZ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drandy%2Bturpin%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D719%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=233&vpy=41&dur=676&hovh=273&hovw=185&tx=115&ty=123&page=1&ndsp=31&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/07/article-1198070-059F0F08000005DC-908_224x295.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1198070/THE-LIST-Sports-greatest-nicknames-Nos-30-21.html&usg=__NSPQ-rKqw7G41rSeGLt_C3eKIYo=&h=295&w=224&sz=18&hl=en&start=0&sig2=DOBpe_1lkco8ZtDy68AaVg&tbnid=MEeVrKFmIRMknM:&tbnh=140&tbnw=106&ei=ZPZWTJTlPIiqvQOzvqwZ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drandy%2Bturpin%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D719%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&page=1&ndsp=31&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0&tx=39&ty=83
This is some American dude and some other English dude. **** me! They look like they are a bunch of devolved apes with no muscle. I swear they are ten times less muscled than Pavlik, Martinez, Wright, Chavez Jr, etc etc.
http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0202/box_g_turpin-robinson_300.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story%3Fid%3D3226200&usg=__GfnXxpCkQnUVSubkQ7-nHbvZofE=&h=200&w=300&sz=13&hl=en&start=0&sig2=EoZ6IptGkdC3dfzZ7P7NEQ&tbnid=v67LOrhRQeeMIM:&tbnh=140&tbnw=184&ei=ZPZWTJTlPIiqvQOzvqwZ&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drandy%2Bturpin%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1346%26bih%3D719%26tbs%3Disch: 1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1067&vpy=97&dur=4325&hovh=160&hovw=240&tx=166&ty=70&page=1&ndsp=31&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0

BennyST
08-02-2010, 12:57 PM
See? The only difference is in the choosing of the athletes. Yes, there are some today who are extraordinary body types but there were yesterday too.

Any evo BS is total wank and you have to be seriously daft to think evo happens across a few decades. Do you over your lifetime?

Jim Jeffries
08-02-2010, 09:29 PM
1890s-early 1900's Jim Jeffries

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/Images/jeffries1900.jpg

Early 1900s Jack Johnson

http://www.thatblackgirlsite.com/wp-content/uploadfiles/jack-johnson-boxer.jpg

1920's Tiger Flowers

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/media_content/m-2291.jpg

1960's Emile Griffith

http://blogs.msg.com/events/media/events/blog-assets/gameon/griffith_072508.jpg

just to name a few.

freudianfloyd
08-04-2010, 07:57 PM
I read somewhere, I think it was George Foreman after his comeback, where he said that Rocky was responsible for the sudden popularity in "Body Beautiful" boxers. People just didn't take fighters serious unless they looked like Mr. Olympia. George on the other hand said that he had a perfect fighters body, which I could only guess was due to the extra padding he was hiding under his skin.

<a href="http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu201/freudianfloyd/?action=view&current=rocky_3.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu201/freudianfloyd/rocky_3.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

<a href="http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu201/freudianfloyd/?action=view&current=apollo-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu201/freudianfloyd/apollo-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

compared too

<a href="http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu201/freudianfloyd/?action=view&current=george.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu201/freudianfloyd/george.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Sam Donald
08-05-2010, 04:15 AM
Rocky and creed were in shape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shabba Rank$
08-05-2010, 05:05 AM
Chris Arreola and James Toney's physique is way better than anyone's in history.

led
08-05-2010, 06:01 AM
http://0.tqn.com/d/prowrestling/1/0/J/C/-/-/butterbean.jpg

is this guy ripped?







just kiddin!

Spartacus Sully
08-05-2010, 06:13 AM
<a href="http://s648.photobucket.com/albums/uu201/freudianfloyd/?action=view&current=george.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu201/freudianfloyd/george.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Eh his biceps are alittle big leading to a more compact but slower blow. other then that hes got a pretty decent boxers body.

strong full abs, decent upper chest, not too much extra weight causing a restriction of ROM in the lower chest, with strong back and shoulders.

almost like an over weight Jim jeffries.

Tobi.G
08-20-2010, 07:03 AM
Eh his biceps are alittle big leading to a more compact but slower blow. other then that hes got a pretty decent boxers body.

strong full abs, decent upper chest, not too much extra weight causing a restriction of ROM in the lower chest, with strong back and shoulders.

almost like an over weight Jim jeffries.

Yeah, old Foreman was not ripped, but when he flexed his arms they were MASSIVE! A strong old but slow bull.

TheGreatA
08-20-2010, 08:21 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v309/TheManchine/Signaturet/foremanweighin.jpg?t=1282306881

BattlingNelson
08-20-2010, 08:46 AM
Typical old-school physique:

http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.sports-photos.com/catalog/images/TonyGalentoBW.tif.jpg&sa=X&ei=YXhuTOXuCJCUOJqf6LAL&ved=0CAQQ8wc4Bw&usg=AFQjCNEE_fulClyEyVLKx6wB06BKrCq6FA


Typical modern-day physique:
http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_V34u3S21bu8/R04mu6d4tbI/AAAAAAAAAPk/vgiGpadHWIw/s320/SteveCunningham_BIG_EMullholland.jpg&sa=X&ei=8nhuTM6vCMOaONeQrbAL&ved=0CAQQ8wc4AQ&usg=AFQjCNFfHp3FGSZFpqBkFdaTzOZhxqvz5Q



Q.E.D.

Vadrigar.
08-20-2010, 11:01 AM
See? The only difference is in the choosing of the athletes. Yes, there are some today who are extraordinary body types but there were yesterday too.

Any evo BS is total wank and you have to be seriously daft to think evo happens across a few decades. Do you over your lifetime?

Also it should be noted TS is comparing boxers of different races, which have different body types anyway. He should've put pictures of present day white boxers in OP. It makes for a better comparison.

Panthershock
08-20-2010, 01:14 PM
http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0911/boxing.top.ten.greatest.middleweights.alltime/images/dick-tiger-rubin-carter.jpg

Rubin Carter and Dick Tiger

http://www.boxing-memorabilia.com/images/alipatuc.jpg
Ali-Patterson 2, Ali weighed 218

Great physiques

Spartacus Sully
08-20-2010, 02:24 PM
Also it should be noted TS is comparing boxers of different races, which have different body types anyway. He should've put pictures of present day white boxers in OP. It makes for a better comparison.

sooo like Like Joe

http://s.bebo.com/app-image/7926350997/5411656627/PROFILE/i.quizzaz.com/img/q/u/08/03/29/joe-calzaghe19.jpg

compared to the rock

http://boxingfights.net/rocky-marciano.jpg

compared to joe choynski

http://www.be-hold.com/content/Boxers/images/013.jpg

dosnt really look like anything has changed.

Vadrigar.
08-20-2010, 02:29 PM
sooo like Like Joe

http://s.bebo.com/app-image/7926350997/5411656627/PROFILE/i.quizzaz.com/img/q/u/08/03/29/joe-calzaghe19.jpg

compared to the rock

http://boxingfights.net/rocky-marciano.jpg

compared to joe choynski

http://www.be-hold.com/content/Boxers/images/013.jpg

dosnt really look like anything has changed.

Exactly, .-|Akrobatic|-. is an idiot for claiming evolution. I remember you made a thread in the lounge, how did it turn out?

Spartacus Sully
08-20-2010, 02:37 PM
Exactly, .-|Akrobatic|-. is an idiot for claiming evolution. I remember you made a thread in the lounge, how did it turn out?

actually i think i lost with the new medical field of Epigenetics which is a whole bunch of scientific mumbo jumbo that i didnt feel like piking apart just to make an argument as it seems pretty legit.