since wright is at middle and ouma was the number 1 dude there, now that roman beat him soundly, woul du considered him the new king of 154 and the man to beat?

Sure, why not?

In my view, the division is pretty wide open. You have Karmazin, Ouma, Mayorga, Simms, Santos, and even Castillejo and Vargas.

So as of right now, I'd say Karmazin is on top, but there are a lot of guys right under him.

Ive always thought either Ouma or Simms was top guy at 154... So I guess this just makes Simms the #1 guy at 154 IMO

Karmazin is definitely the man at 154 but he should fight Santos and Simms to prove it

I've seen Karmazin fight a few times, i havent seen him recently and i had wondered if he was still fighting, he obviously is and it looks like he's the boss at the weight. he's quite a good fighter anyway, not amazing but effective.

I'll wait until the rematch to call him the king of the division. He is definitely at the top though along with Simms and Ouma. If he beats Ouma again then I would without a doubt call him the king of the division. I believe Ouma will beat him though.

I wasnt too impressed with his 'punch and grab' style, and think he won more because Ouma lost, if that makes any sense. Ouma looked terrible last night, totally unfocused and like he didnt want to be there. If he gets it together, I expect him to win the rematch.

Don't sleep on Cory Spinks.

Mayorga will be the king at 154. Just watch. LOL Spinks?? Spinks was never good.

Right now everybody is thinking bad about Ouma but he will be king.

Mayorga will be the king at 154. Just watch. LOL Spinks?? Spinks was never good.
spinks beat mayorga..... :confused:

Right now everybody is thinking bad about Ouma but he will be king.

Not everybody...I'm still crazy about him and know he was seriously off his game last night. I expect him to figure it out (whatever the problem is) and get back to what he's very good at. I'm not giving up on him just yet! ;)
As for Mayorga being king..hardly. He needs to learn to box first, and the street fighting thug in him wont allow that to happen.

Not everybody...I'm still crazy about him and know he was seriously off his game last night. I expect him to figure it out (whatever the problem is) and get back to what he's very good at. I'm not giving up on him just yet! ;)
As for Mayorga being king..hardly. He needs to learn to box first, and the street fighting thug in him wont allow that to happen.

I want to see Spinks-Mayorga II next year. The winner of Mayorga-whoevertheguyishe'sfightingnextmonth is supposed to fight the Vargas-Castillejo winner for the WBC belt. I would say the winner of that bout deserves consideration as the 'true' champion.

I like Ouma, but remember he won his belt from freakin' Verno Phillips...

I want to see Spinks-Mayorga II next year. The winner of Mayorga-whoevertheguyishe'sfightingnextmonth is supposed to fight the Vargas-Castillejo winner for the WBC belt. I would say the winner of that bout deserves consideration as the 'true' champion.

I like Ouma, but remember he won his belt from freakin' Verno Phillips...


So....? Are you implying that Vernos a bad fighter?

I want to see Spinks-Mayorga II next year. The winner of Mayorga-whoevertheguyishe'sfightingnextmonth is supposed to fight the Vargas-Castillejo winner for the WBC belt. I would say the winner of that bout deserves consideration as the 'true' champion.

I like Ouma, but remember he won his belt from freakin' Verno Phillips...

hahahaha, well, 'frekin' Verno used to be a very good fighter, so I wont knock him for that! :D I see Spinks beating mayorga every time...long as he remains the superior BOXER and does NOT get caught with one of Mayo's power shots. I am pulling for Castillo against vargas, and wouldnt mind seeing him in against mayo is he pulls out the win against vargas.

So....? Are you implying that Vernos a bad fighter?
hey OG, do you gots santos ahead of ouma in your p4p list after the way ouma looked? come on admit it :D

hey OG, do you gots santos ahead of ouma in your p4p list after the way ouma looked? come on admit it :D


I don't know...

I didn't have Santos even in my top 20 and probably not in my top 25. Ouma was around 15 or 16 or some **** and now hes bumped out of the top 20 as well.

They are about tied because Santos was blasted out by Jantuah, who Ouma dominated.

I don't know...

I didn't have Santos even in my top 20 and probably not in my top 25. Ouma was around 15 or 16 or some **** and now hes bumped out of the top 20 as well.

They are about tied because Santos was blasted out by Jantuah, who Ouma dominated.
but santos came back and defeated magarito

ouma is still very questionable, and looked downright terrible in his last fight, judging by that you'd have to say santos as of right now is p4p ahead of ouma

spinks beat mayorga..... :confused:

Whatever man, you know that was a robbery. There was at least 1 legit knockdown. Cory didn't do **** that night besides run and occasionally pitter patter Mayo with his gloves.

Whatever man, you know that was a robbery. There was at least 1 legit knockdown. Cory didn't do **** that night besides run and occasionally pitter patter Mayo with his gloves.

a robbery?/ I thought Spinks outboxed Mayo beautifully!

So....? Are you implying that Vernos a bad fighter?
not a bad fighter, but hardly a fighter who a 'W' over vaults you to "king"...

Right now everybody is thinking bad about Ouma but he will be king.

I've never been impressed with Ouma, he's always looked average when i have seen him so i wasnt suprised Karmazin beat him.

There's been a lot of hype about him so he's either really overated or i just havent seen one of his better fights. I watched the Karmazin fight last night and he took a beating, if Karmazin had better conditioning it would have been a stoppage IMO.

Can you or anyone suggest a good Ouma fight to watch??

I've never been impressed with Ouma, he's always looked average when i have seen him so i wasnt suprised Karmazin beat him.

There's been a lot of hype about him so he's either really overated or i just havent seen one of his better fights. I watched the Karmazin fight last night and he took a beating, if Karmazin had better conditioning it would have been a stoppage IMO.

Can you or anyone suggest a good Ouma fight to watch??

You can try Ouma-J.C. Candelo 2, and/or Ouma-Carlos Bojorquez...both were good fights.

there's a replay on hbo latin today right before taylor-hopkins ppv

i missed it the first time, i gotta see how this went down

You can try Ouma-J.C. Candelo 2, and/or Ouma-Carlos Bojorquez...both were good fights.

Thanks, i'll be sure to watch them.

i normally try watch as many fights as possible before i say anthing about a fighter but i've seen Ouma about 3/4 times and he doesnt look like he's physically capable of being an elite fighter.

Thanks, i'll be sure to watch them.

i normally try watch as many fights as possible before i say anthing about a fighter but i've seen Ouma about 3/4 times and he doesnt look like he's physically capable of being an elite fighter.

I think he is more than capable, just had a really terrible night with karmazin. anyway, the rematch with candelo was a very good showing for him..if you cant get your hands on it be sure to let me know okay.

Travis Simms, hes been inactive yes but hands down the most underrated fighter at 154. No one gives the guy much of a chance but if you have ever seen him fight hes awsome.

Travis Simms, hes been inactive yes but hands down the most underrated fighter at 154. No one gives the guy much of a chance but if you have ever seen him fight hes awsome.

I think theres a very good reson that 'tremendous' is avoided the way he is. ;)

not a bad fighter, but hardly a fighter who a 'W' over vaults you to "king"...


True. Still though, Vernos been at the top of that division for awhile now...and hes a tough test for anyone. He's probably a bit past his best now, but two wins over him shouldn't go unnoticed. Plus Ouma has the good wins over Jantuah and Candelo. :dunno:

I think I labled him the king of that division more on his potential to do big things in the division, not so much because his resume was incredible. He's beaten a few good fighters, but no one great.

I just wish Travis Simms was younger.

I think theres a very good reson that 'tremendous' is avoided the way he is. ;)

Defintley there is... give him some big fights and I think he could very well be the King of 154.

True. Still though, Vernos been at the top of that division for awhile now...and hes a tough test for anyone. He's probably a bit past his best now, but two wins over him shouldn't go unnoticed. Plus Ouma has the good wins over Jantuah and Candelo. :dunno:

I think I labled him the king of that division more on his potential to do big things in the division, not so much because his resume was incredible. He's beaten a few good fighters, but no one great.

I just wish Travis Simms was younger.

To be honest as a Simms fan, I agree with you.. if he was just a little bit younger it would be awsome. He got a late start in boxing but is a very young 34. Its time for him to start fighting again I dont understand this inactivty

Don't sleep on Cory Spinks.


yeah although I'm still high on ouma..I feel that cory spinks could be undisputed junior middleweight champ eventaully..i would say mayorga has a shot but his motivation is awlasy a factor

a robbery?/ I thought Spinks outboxed Mayo beautifully!
me too....

spinks outboxed mayorga all night long

1-spinks didnt dominate...he the non-KD call and the points deductions made that fight able to go anyway.Plus it would be at 154 which spinks would have even a tougher time with a mayorga that doesnt have to kill himself(as much to make weight and handles this one better)

2-i think Mayorga,simms or Ouma will be the last man standing at the end and from these will emerge one.

3-i havent watch fight yet.Was it on Boxeo the oro.(cuz if so i will watch it on hbo latin repeat coming in about an hour. Ayway until i watch fight i will know but i have a q for those who watched it. CAN Ouma take a punch??/cuz i read he was dropped quite easily. Other guys with more power would take him out than most likely.

1-spinks didnt dominate...he the non-KD call and the points deductions made that fight able to go anyway.Plus it would be at 154 which spinks would have even a tougher time with a mayorga that doesnt have to kill himself(as much to make weight and handles this one better)

2-i think Mayorga,simms or Ouma will be the last man standing at the end and from these will emerge one.

3-i havent watch fight yet.Was it on Boxeo the oro.(cuz if so i will watch it on hbo latin repeat coming in about an hour. Ayway until i watch fight i will know but i have a q for those who watched it. CAN Ouma take a punch??/cuz i read he was dropped quite easily. Other guys with more power would take him out than most likely.

Yes he can take a punch. The first knockdown was more of him being off balance. The second one caught him on the chin and he fell into the ropes and bounced right back up. He didn't appear to be hurt either time. I think the second one just caught him off guard a little.

me too....

spinks outboxed mayorga all night long

To make such a statment I think you have not seen that fight. It was a robbery Mayorga deserved the descision. Do you not forget that Mayorga dropped Spinks ass bad in that fight. The end result was a SD. I had Mayorga ahead by 2 points.

Yes he can take a punch. The first knockdown was more of him being off balance. The second one caught him on the chin and he fell into the ropes and bounced right back up. He didn't appear to be hurt either time. I think the second one just caught him off guard a little.

yeah the first one he was off balance..i guarantee you something was wrong with ouma yesterday..anyone knows that ouma usually looks happy and excited to be fighitng but since the beginning of the bout he looked like something was on his mind or he was sick..His balance was horrible he kept reaching and his legs looked real weak..It's fine that alot of you jump off the wagon but he will beat this guy in the rematch and Ill bet on it

To make such a statment I think you have not seen that fight. It was a robbery Mayorga deserved the descision. Do you not forget that Mayorga dropped Spinks ass bad in that fight. The end result was a SD. I had Mayorga ahead by 2 points.
ive seen the fight and spinks clearly outboxed mayorga, it was a close fight but i had spinks ahead


btw i also had vernon forrest in the second fight with mayorga but i gueess vernon just didnt do enough

EDIT- it was a majority decision not split, no judge had it for mayorga

ive seen the fight and spinks clearly outboxed mayorga, it was a close fight but i had spinks ahead


btw i also had vernon forrest in the second fight with mayorga but i gueess vernon just didnt do enough
I had Forrest Mayorga 2 a draw.

ive seen the fight and spinks clearly outboxed mayorga, it was a close fight but i had spinks ahead


Spinks clearly outboxing Mayorga and it being a close fight, split descision are contradictary statements. It was a close fight. I thought Mayorga won, and Spinks ass was down good in that fight.

Spinks clearly outboxing Mayorga and it being a close fight, split descision are contradictary statements. It was a close fight. I thought Mayorga won, and Spinks ass was down good in that fight.
not really, you can outbox someone and still lose in boxing....
see oquendo- byrd
btw check my edited post it was an md not a sd

not really, you can outbox someone and still lose in boxing....
see oquendo- byrd
btw check my edited post it was an md not a sd

i actually think the ref was bugging mayorga too much and the 12th round knockdown shuld have counted..anyone i think spinks has a longer career than mayo because he;s not gonna retire anytime soon

i actually think the ref was bugging mayorga too much and the 12th round knockdown shuld have counted..anyone i think spinks has a longer career than mayo because he;s not gonna retire anytime soon
What Toney fight is that.. (not the Ruiz one)

What Toney fight is that.. (not the Ruiz one)


Jason Robinson Cruiserweight title eliminator...I think.

ive seen the fight and spinks clearly outboxed mayorga, it was a close fight but i had spinks ahead


btw i also had vernon forrest in the second fight with mayorga but i gueess vernon just didnt do enough

EDIT- it was a majority decision not split, no judge had it for mayorga

Vernon did more than enough to win the rematch with mayo..he just didnt bully enough and wasnt a big enough thug for the judges. Oh, and he didnt try and fling mayo all over the ring either. But he definately deserved the win the second time around. Forrest is an outstanding boxer, while Mayo is a street fighter...it all depends on which the judges prefer any given night. Thankfully that crap didnt work with Tito and he got his ass handed to him.

Mayorga couldn't scare Tito the way he did with Forrest. When he let Forrest hit him on the chin it discouraged Forrest to see him take the punch. I thought the Mayorga/Forrest rematch was a draw. I had Spinks/Mayorga a draw but with the point deductions I had Spinks winning. If you look closely especially at the replays Spinks misses alot of punches that appear to land. There was one point I think in the 4th round where Mayorga landed a righthand and Spinks came back with about 5 punches that all missed. Even on the replays you can see they clearly missed though Chris Byrd tried to say that they landed.