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Equilibrium
07-21-2010, 01:16 AM
I already got quite a bit of information from friends and traning partners but some of you might know your **** too.

In the last year or two i injured myself twice and my training suffered from it and i gained a bit of weight, in april i sprained my foot and it took a long time to heal, i was not able to return to my normal training until 3 weeks ago. During the time i was injured i stopped caring, ate whatever i wanted, drank bear and kept training to a minimum.

My ideal weight would be 230-235 but right now i am at 267, i was at 280 when i started training again at full capacity 2 weeks ago. So i lost 13 pounds in two week training 6 days a week. In fall i'm going back to the gym and i want to be in top shape.

My problem is that with all the training it i am sore like a mother****er. I try to eat as much proteins as i can but cooking chicken and fish every day is not always easy.

So a friend of mine told me i should start taking protein shakes to add proteins to my diet, which would require me to eat less, make me less sore and lose the weight even faster.

Note that i work nights, so i get up and have breakfast at around 5 pm.

What i plan to do is:

Have a full meal when i get up.

Have a small collation after working out.(A fruit and some trail mix, or something of the sort)

Have a protein shake + 2 fruits later on.

That is all i would eat during a day. What do you guys think? Will it not be enough?


Edit: No i'm not a little fatty, 280 pounds is a lot but keep in mind that i am 6'4 and rather muscular.

Clegg
07-21-2010, 02:21 AM
If you're going to use them, then IMO when you get up you should have a protein shake with water. That means it'll get into your muscles (which have been starved of it all night) ASAP and prevent them being broken down as fuel. This will make your body more likely to use fat reserves instead. You can still eat soon afterwards because it won't be at all filling (at least in my experience).

I think your diet could do with some variation and some more calories. Healthy fats are good for you in moderation and encourage fat burning.

If you eat too little, your body goes into starvation mode and tries to preserve as much body mass as possible. If you're 6'4 and muscular I would think that you could take in 3000 cals per day and not get fat as long as the calories came from good food and not too much junk. Obviously you want to be lower than that as you're aiming to lose weight rather than stay the same, but if you go too low you risk having a lot less energy for your training and may end up having ****ty training sessions and not even losing much weight.

I think you should try a more regular, healthy diet. High protein, but also decent amounts of complex carbs and healthy fats. Just avoid junk food, sweets etc. and train hard and you should steadily lose weight. Only eating 3 times per day will slow your metabolism as well, it'd be better to space what you eat out a bit more if possible.

them_apples
07-21-2010, 03:10 AM
I already got quite a bit of information from friends and traning partners but some of you might know your **** too.

In the last year or two i injured myself twice and my training suffered from it and i gained a bit of weight, in april i sprained my foot and it took a long time to heal, i was not able to return to my normal training until 3 weeks ago. During the time i was injured i stopped caring, ate whatever i wanted, drank bear and kept training to a minimum.

My ideal weight would be 230-235 but right now i am at 267, i was at 280 when i started training again at full capacity 2 weeks ago. So i lost 13 pounds in two week training 6 days a week. In fall i'm going back to the gym and i want to be in top shape.

My problem is that with all the training it i am sore like a mother****er. I try to eat as much proteins as i can but cooking chicken and fish every day is not always easy.

So a friend of mine told me i should start taking protein shakes to add proteins to my diet, which would require me to eat less, make me less sore and lose the weight even faster.

Note that i work nights, so i get up and have breakfast at around 5 pm.

What i plan to do is:

Have a full meal when i get up.

Have a small collation after working out.(A fruit and some trail mix, or something of the sort)

Have a protein shake + 2 fruits later on.

That is all i would eat during a day. What do you guys think? Will it not be enough?


Edit: No i'm not a little fatty, 280 pounds is a lot but keep in mind that i am 6'4 and rather muscular.


your ideal weight is probably more like 220. George foreman was 6'4 220-224 in his prime and cut to shyt.

Uturn
07-21-2010, 09:07 AM
Hey guys i have the same sort of question instead making a new thread.. Id like to invest in a weigh protein but which ones are recommended and proven? I dont want to gain weight though i just want to recover after a workout. Im currently boxing 3 times a week and would like to stay at my weight (lightweight) without putting weight on! Any help would be much appreciated thanks!

Danny Gunz
07-21-2010, 01:38 PM
It seems like you should at least get 2 full meals a day or you could just take 2 protein shakes to replace the meal.

boxingsmash69
07-21-2010, 05:57 PM
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/boxing.htm

I use the #1 rated whey protein on that site, and wow it works wonders. I have the delicious strawberry flavor and I mix it with water for less fat, still tastes great.

Danny Gunz
07-21-2010, 07:10 PM
If you want to lose some weight effectively try this diet: http://velocity.tmuscle.com/indexVelocity.jsp?s=index

It takes alot of dedication but a few of my friends did it and it worked great. Read through it and see if you like it.

karategan
07-21-2010, 11:22 PM
Get some whey protein. It's cheap and it's a natural substance that helps with recovery after a workout.

Jack3d
07-22-2010, 12:57 AM
Just got with Optimum Whey or Isopure Zero carb. BCAA's in between meals with help.

Glutamine Powder is another thing you could try. Mix it with your shakes.

It should help with soreness. I'm sure you know as you keep at it, the soreness will become less and less intolerable.

kryo
07-22-2010, 03:46 AM
STRONG lol at thinking you'll be able to perform with a 1,000 calorie diet.. hahahaha.

you need to find your maintenance (the amount of calories you can eat a day and maintain your weight) and deduct around 500 from that and you should lose around 1 to 1.5lbs a week.. any more and you risk losing muscle. If you just want to cut ASAP then I suggest eating 3k a day.. if you really are training 6 days a week, you should be burning at LEAST 500 but probably closer to 1,000 calories a day if you're running as well as doing gym work.

remember, the faster you lose the weight, the more muscle you will also lose. it's a ****ty trade off, and healthy weight loss takes time.

-The Glove-
07-22-2010, 04:24 AM
It seems like you should at least get 2 full meals a day or you could just take 2 protein shakes to replace the meal.

Nah, do not do this. You should be eating at least 5-6 times a day, spreading them out every 2 or 3 hours. When it's hard to have solid foods, drink a protein shake. As far as recovery goes tho, get yourself some BCAA's w/ Glutamine. They're relatively cheap and don't have to be broken down like whey protein does. Take your protein shake or have a meal shortly after taking the BCAA's.

FISHTIKS
07-22-2010, 02:57 PM
As some have already said; buy some Glutamine powder to mix in with your protein. Optimum Nutrition has a 600gram container that should last you quite awhile. You only need 1 tablespoon per shake.

For a good protein powder, check out IDS' Multi-Pro Whey. I've found that their flavors are far better than other companies (I mix mine with water only) and they offer up to a 10lb bucket which is the largest I've seen. See if you can find a local supplement shop that's NOT GNC and you should be able to find it for around $49.99

idssports.com <----manufacturer's website

* Again, try to find this locally and you'll get a MUCH better deal....most shops are willing to match or beat the online price sans shipping, of course.

Also, I recommend the banana flavor :banana:

Equilibrium
07-26-2010, 05:12 AM
Thanks guys, i have been taking the shakes since last week and it was a great idea. I take one right after every work out and i haven't even been getting sore.

I got a few recipes for meal replacement shakes and they keep me full for half the calories i'd get if i hate a "normal" meal.

I'm at 259 pounds now, so i lost another 8 pounds.

Clegg
07-26-2010, 05:17 AM
What kind of training do you do?

Equilibrium
07-27-2010, 02:52 AM
What kind of training do you do?

Here is the schedule i try keep:

Sunday: 2 rounds of shadow boxing to get the sweat going, then i run 3 miles or so.

Monday:

Streching.

6 rounds of shadow boxing, 3 normal rounds and the other 3 i use 3 pounds dumbells to shadowbox.

2 rounds of maze bag with a little shadow boxing. But i mostly work on foot work and head movement.

2 rounds of double end bag.

I finish with plyometrics. I do medicine ball slams and throws, and do a couple of exercises to work my core.

Later on i do push ups, sit ups, dips and pull ups.


Tuesday:

Streching.

2 rounds of shadow boxing to warm up.

6 rounds of heavy bag.

Go for a 5 miles run.


Wednesday:

Same as monday.


Thursday:

Same as Tuesday.


Friday:

Weight lifting day.

Bench press 4 series of 6 reps
Overhead press 3 series of 8 reps
Curls 3 series of 8 reps(I do i different type of curl of each serie)
Triceps 2 series of 10
Deadlift 3 series of 6
Squats 2 series of 8
Front and side raises 2 series of 10 each
Shrugs 3 series of 10

I also do exercises for my back and core but i don't know what they are named.


Saturday: Rest.


Friday kills me but i want to keep my focus on boxing and lifting doesn't fit well with my other days.

Equilibrium
08-06-2010, 06:34 AM
Just weighted myself, 243 pounds and it's not morning, i have ate and had plenty of water today.

Protein shakes were a great idea, i'm not as sore as i used to be and i have much more energy.

I got some whey protein with some supplements in it, it was pretty expensive but it's definitely worth the money.

Bullrush
08-06-2010, 06:54 AM
when you say you wanna focus on boxing and then you lift weights and only do 6-8 reps that makes no sense, doesnt help you in boxing unless you want to clinch your opponent to death

Equilibrium
08-07-2010, 12:59 AM
when you say you wanna focus on boxing and then you lift weights and only do 6-8 reps that makes no sense, doesnt help you in boxing unless you want to clinch your opponent to death

I lift for strength, so i do little reps and lift heavy. Thats how you do it if you want to gain strength without gaining too much muscle.

Bullrush
08-07-2010, 05:31 AM
thats right i just didnt think thatd be your aim. fair enough

poopchuteboxe
08-08-2010, 09:40 PM
take isopure protein.

mix the protein powder with some fruit juice (ie orange, apple, etc), don't mix it with water, you'll just piss out.

you're a big mofo, you need a lot of protein. you should be drinking a protein shake as soon as you wake up, as soon as you're done training (immediately), and before going to bed.

also, do dynamic stretching before training and static stretching after training. never do static stretching before training - never.

Equilibrium
08-08-2010, 10:54 PM
take isopure protein.

mix the protein powder with some fruit juice (ie orange, apple, etc), don't mix it with water, you'll just piss out.

you're a big mofo, you need a lot of protein. you should be drinking a protein shake as soon as you wake up, as soon as you're done training (immediately), and before going to bed.

also, do dynamic stretching before training and static stretching after training. never do static stretching before training - never.

Mind taking a couple minutes to explain what is dynamic stretching and static streching?

Thanks for the tips, i started taking a protein shake as soon as i get up, however i don't think i will take one before going to bed, i hate sleeping when i just had something to eat/drink.

One more round
08-09-2010, 12:33 AM
Mind taking a couple minutes to explain what is dynamic stretching and static streching?

Thanks for the tips, i started taking a protein shake as soon as i get up, however i don't think i will take one before going to bed, i hate sleeping when i just had something to eat/drink.

Dynamic stretching consists of movements that stretch your muscles, it usually helps if they are sport specific (eg: warming up the muslces you will be using) so stuff like, leg swings back and forth (hold onto something for balance, stretches hamstrings), swinging your leg sideways (stretching groin), flicking your heels up to your ass, running on the spot, swinging your arms around in circles, jumping around, movements that prepare your body for the workout


Static stretching is your standard stuff like stretch out your hamstring, hold for 10 seconds etc It is best done after the workout. Doesn't really do anything useful beforehand.

Equilibrium
08-09-2010, 12:54 AM
Dynamic stretching consists of movements that stretch your muscles, it usually helps if they are sport specific (eg: warming up the muslces you will be using) so stuff like, leg swings back and forth (hold onto something for balance, stretches hamstrings), swinging your leg sideways (stretching groin), flicking your heels up to your ass, running on the spot, swinging your arms around in circles, jumping around, movements that prepare your body for the workout


Static stretching is your standard stuff like stretch out your hamstring, hold for 10 seconds etc It is best done after the workout. Doesn't really do anything useful beforehand.

Thank you sir, that's already what i have been doing for the longest time, i just didn't know the terms.