View Full Version : The two GOATs of MMA - forget these so called new breeds


monaroCountry
07-19-2010, 08:11 AM
I think that once you truely know the history of MMA and its fighters, you start appreciating the quality of fighters from all ages (none of these new breeds garbage). Fedor and Igor are truely the GOATs of MMA. Some interesting things between the two is that both Fedor and Igor uses the same casting punch (I think it was even called the Igor punch by the Japanese - way before Fedor came along), both have trouble with breaking/injuring their hands, both with a Sambo (Igor more kickboxing based and Fedor more grappling based) background and both originally from Ukrain.

IGOR
Kickboxing: 61 wins 2 looses
MMA: 49 wins 10 looses (30 straight wins and most of his losses came at the back end of his long career)

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FEDOR
Sambo: 12 gold medals and 4 bronze in Sambo; 2 bronze in Judo
MMA: 32 wins 2 looses (28 straight wins and one of his loss should have been a "No Contest"
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Both guys are super cool, here is a video of both GOATs sharing Vodka.
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Virgil Caine
07-19-2010, 09:03 AM
^^

The Japanese dude is saying Igor isn't drinking that much, mainly just him and Fedor are drinking. At the end of the video, Igor says through the interpreter that he has to get up early the next morning.

And nice thread.

monaroCountry
07-19-2010, 09:45 AM
Lol funny that.

kaps
07-19-2010, 10:34 AM
Igor is one of my all time favorites, funny story I read about him and his younger days was that the village would ring a bell whenever he got drunk so that people would know to stay out of his way, don't know if it's true or not but I found it funny...

prinzemanspopa
07-19-2010, 11:09 AM
I'm sorry,but when did Igor Vovchanchyn suddenly become "GOAT"?



Did you come to this conclusion after watching Tra Telligman thoroughly outclass him,or just after watching him be utterly humiliated by Mario Sperry?


His whole legacy is based on scoring a fairly decisive knockout over Francisco Bueno.It was a nice knockout and it's made the highlight reels ever since.


However,it's worth noting that he always lost to someone with half decent technique.

yeks
07-20-2010, 01:45 AM
i open the thread and expecting royce gracie...

but you can't go wrong with Igor.. one of my favorite Pride fighters..

Anthony342
07-20-2010, 03:06 AM
Igor and Fedor are two of my all-time favorites too. Royce Gracie is a great of his era as well and I loved watching Ken and Frank Shamrock compete when they were in their primes.

Miburo
07-20-2010, 05:54 AM
I think Marco Ruas was the first complete fighter, so I rank him above Igor among the guys from the early days even though he wasn't as dominant.

ƒallenloki
07-20-2010, 01:46 PM
Igor and Ruas guys?

The guys were great at the time, but as MMA has progressed it is obvious that these guys were simply pioneers... Not necessarily the most skilled or best.

I'd put Fedor, GSP, Anderson in the GOAT list of MMA

and.... I think it's dumb to make a GOAT list when the sport is less than 20 years old

kaps
07-20-2010, 02:20 PM
This thread lacks Sakuraba...

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Virgil Caine
07-20-2010, 02:43 PM
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kaps
07-20-2010, 03:13 PM
Fallenloki is right though, this thread should be titled "Legends" or something, because Fedor is really the only GOAT listed...

Virgil Caine
07-20-2010, 04:09 PM
Bas Rutten: 28-4-1

Finished his career with a 22 fight no-loss streak (one draw wedged between 13 and 8 fight winning streaks). Captured UFC brass in the process. One of the GOATs.

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Virgil Caine
07-20-2010, 04:17 PM
^^

Also worth noting, all 4 losses were by submission in a time when he was practically a novice in the grappling game. 2 sub losses to Ken Shamrock, 1 to Frank (avenged twice), and one to Funaki while trying to apologize for an illegal strike (fair play Funaki of course, just putting things in perspective).

Bas = BCE GOAT

Junito-Rulez
07-20-2010, 04:47 PM
Lol, no way Igor is a GOAT.

Wanderlei and Royce are both above him. Igor is probably the greatest PUNCHER in MMA history though, he hit like a ****ing mule.

yeks
07-20-2010, 11:42 PM
igor is one of the best puncher in the game. one hit and its over.

kaps
07-21-2010, 02:39 AM
igor is one of the best puncher in the game. one hit and its over.

One of the hardest punchers anyway....

Miburo
07-21-2010, 03:57 AM
Igor and Ruas guys?

The guys were great at the time, but as MMA has progressed it is obvious that these guys were simply pioneers... Not necessarily the most skilled or best.

I'd put Fedor, GSP, Anderson in the GOAT list of MMA

and.... I think it's dumb to make a GOAT list when the sport is less than 20 years old

I never said Ruas was GOAT, I said he was better than Igor and pretty much anyone in the early days of the sport. He's often completely forgotten, but he was the first real MMAer. Rutten and Igor were strikers, the Shamrock bros. and Gracies were grapplers, but Ruas was the first to be truly rounded.

Anthony342
07-21-2010, 07:59 PM
I never said Ruas was GOAT, I said he was better than Igor and pretty much anyone in the early days of the sport. He's often completely forgotten, but he was the first real MMAer. Rutten and Igor were strikers, the Shamrock bros. and Gracies were grapplers, but Ruas was the first to be truly rounded.

True and Don Drye wasn't too far behind, showing up in the next UFC, getting knockouts with punches on the feet and using his wrestling to win other fights. Ruas was also the first MMA fighter to show the importance of leg kicks. Ruas vs. Varelans in the UFC 7 final is a great illustration of that. Guys like Dan Severn and Renzo Gracie have since then become victims of effective leg kicks. Ruas was also one of the first guys I remember escaping a choke hold in MMA, he was a guy that knew how to stay relaxed in a fight.

PopoFreitas
07-22-2010, 09:45 AM
Fallenloki is right though, this thread should be titled "Legends" or something, because Fedor is really the only GOAT listed...

pretty much.