View Full Version : Fedor got lazy, thats why he lost...


photomane
07-14-2010, 12:48 PM
I feel the reason Fedor lost is because he got lazy and relied on his power, rather than technique. AGREE/DISAGREE?



ps: This loss is the best thang that happened with Fedor. It has remotivated him I believe.

-Swizzy-
07-14-2010, 12:59 PM
I knew he was gonna lose because he never fights with strategy. He will fight his opponents at their own game and he has gottan lucky in the past (Nogeuira on the ground, Cro Cop in the stand up) but I knew that Werdum's ground game was at just another level.

What Fedor did was the equivalent of fighting Wladimir Klitschko in an MMA match and choosing to stand and trade punches.

But this was a good lesson for him and he will be much improved because of it.

Sn1
07-14-2010, 01:11 PM
best thing about Fedor was he was undefeated in everyones eyes.

now hes been defeated, easily.

stop making up excuses, hope werdum subs him in 1st rd again.

Virgil Caine
07-14-2010, 01:43 PM
^^

Lol at our resident self-proclaimed troll here. You and I both know you don't really believe that.


On topic, Fedor definitely got lazy, and over confident imo. I really don't think this fight knock's Fedor down hardly at all. Even the best can be caught, and he wasn't dominated in any sense of the word, merely caught in a sub.

This analogy underrates Werdum's MMA ability a bit, however, it is not unlike a boxer in a tune-up fight being caught with a perfectly timed shot right on the button and being knocked out. I've seen this happen in the past, and this is the closest analogy I can think of. I don't want to use the word fluke, and Werdum is an amazing fighter and one of the best on the ground, bar none. However, Fedor clearly was caught, and Fedor is almost certainly the superior fighter.

As far as rankings go, as far as I'm concerned, any non-bias heavyweight rankings cannot possibly fail to be in utter disarray, as a result of the recent events (not that an unbiased ratings list necessarily exists). I saw some rankings with Brock and Carwin at 1 and 2, as if Brock employing the Homer Simpson defense against a man in Carwin who gassed within one round could warrent such a rating. I can understand the argument for Brock, but Carwin within the top 5 is a joke, let alone the top 3. He's still a fighter with great potential, but he has to work his way back, and you don't move up in rankings after gassing in less than 1 round, by virtue of exposing another man for being punch shy.

Anyways, rock on S******, you trolling cunt.

F l i c k e r
07-14-2010, 02:15 PM
I guess you can say that. I think he started believing his own hype. Everyone hyped him up so damn hard, calling him a god and ****. That it finally got to his head, he believed there was no possible way he would be beaten. Then Werdum put the triangle on him twice and it was a done deal.

That sense of invincibility is gone now. All that is left is to hope that it was a humbling experience for him.

Virgil Caine
07-14-2010, 03:08 PM
I guess you can say that. I think he started believing his own hype. Everyone hyped him up so damn hard, calling him a god and ****. That it finally got to his head, he believed there was no possible way he would be beaten. Then Werdum put the triangle on him twice and it was a done deal.

That sense of invincibility is gone now. All that is left is to hope that it was a humbling experience for him.

I agree with this to a large extent, however I don't believe Fedor believed in his invincibility. To the contrary, I think he may have been affected by the status of invincibility which was conveyed upon him.

I think this was quite clear from his post-fight interviews. He said that he never wanted to be an idol and that, essentially, he prefers to see himself as just another fighter. I think he may have let it all go to his head, the hype and all, but not in the sense that he thought he was unbeatable, but in the sense that he was dis-focused because of the hype which surrounded him.

I still think he has the most talent of any fighter in MMA, past or present. Whether or not his mind is still in it is the big question, I suppose.

Sn1
07-14-2010, 04:45 PM
how was it lazy ? he didnt believe he could be submitted.
and he got submitted.

no luck, no fluke. just one guy beating another in the area he excels.
but no, noone can credit werdum for winning, only discredit fedor for losing.

**** fedor fans.

idc if u think im a troll. you delusional fans made me this way :bling1:

Clegg
07-14-2010, 05:26 PM
how was it lazy ? he didnt believe he could be submitted.
and he got submitted.

no luck, no fluke. just one guy beating another in the area he excels.
but no, noone can credit werdum for winning, only discredit fedor for losing.

**** fedor fans.

idc if u think im a troll. you delusional fans made me this way :bling1:

Yeah, and you Brock fans are still swinging on his nuts and talking nonsense about Fedor despite the fact that Brock got subbed by a lesser BJJ guy than Werdum and then got the **** beat out of him in his last fight and only survived because his opponent gassed.

What happened to Brock being too strong for everyone? What happened to Brock being too fast for the other HWs? His great wrestling? His unstoppable takedowns? Him being a great natural athlete? Oh yeah, all of those claims turned out to either be untrue or to count for nothing against Carwin :lol1:

Fedor fans at least have a great resume and great skills and diversity to back up their fandom. Brock fans have 'wow, he's so big it's unnatural. Though not unnatural in a steroids way, haters'.

Left Hook Tua
07-14-2010, 05:40 PM
maybe.

but let's not take anything away from werdum , he is a world class grappler.

**** happens.

he can beat fabricio in the rematch.

$BloodyNate$
07-14-2010, 07:54 PM
maybe.

but let's not take anything away from werdum , he is a world class grappler.

**** happens.

he can beat fabricio in the rematch.

This.

He didn't get lazy he was too reckless. He got caught. It happens when your facing the best Heavyweight grappler in MMA.

Left2theliver
07-14-2010, 08:11 PM
I believe it was a combination of excitement, cage, and overlooking Werdum. He must have figured that, Nogueira's guard > Werdum's guard and since he whooped Nogueira three times Werdum would be nothing. Also when the fight went to the ground, Fedor was doing everything rigt, but as he was excaping IE circling to his right, the cage was there which forced him to move left right into the choke. But instead of stopping and repositioning himself he kept throwing shots and therefore got caught.

M Deezy
07-14-2010, 11:48 PM
i dont think he lost cuz he got lazy i think he lost cuz he got over anxious and didnt think, he knew werdum was an ace on the ground, when he escaped the first time he should let the fight stand but when he dived down he made a mistake. He WILL be back u can count on it

Virgil Caine
07-15-2010, 12:28 AM
how was it lazy ? he didnt believe he could be submitted.
and he got submitted.

no luck, no fluke. just one guy beating another in the area he excels.
but no, noone can credit werdum for winning, only discredit fedor for losing.

**** fedor fans.

idc if u think im a troll. you delusional fans made me this way :bling1:

So you admit it.

Not that it isn't obvious regardless.

TheAxe Murderer
07-15-2010, 04:48 PM
he slipped as the result of his ego and werdum skillfully capitalized on it, werdum specifically trained for this type of scenario in reign

atleast this loss will now motivate fedor to become an even better fighter, since this step backwards he can take 5 more steps forward to improve himself
man cant wait for his next fight

F l i c k e r
07-15-2010, 05:03 PM
This.

He didn't get lazy he was too reckless. He got caught. It happens when your facing the best Heavyweight grappler in MMA.


Kenny Florian (from Twitter): . No such thing as "just got caught." It was a technical error. He didn't slip & fall into the triangle. Got caught (twice).


:lol1:

Darkstar
07-16-2010, 09:56 AM
I still like how Fedor just tore through him standing up. Fedor just missed with the combo but probably thought he landed. Werdum just fell back, looked weak to me, and kinda got lucky to have Fedor fall into perfect position. 95% of the time that doesnt happen, cant wait for the rematch.

Sn1
07-16-2010, 10:42 PM
Yeah, and you Brock fans are still swinging on his nuts and talking nonsense about Fedor despite the fact that Brock got subbed by a lesser BJJ guy than Werdum and then got the **** beat out of him in his last fight and only survived because his opponent gassed.

What happened to Brock being too strong for everyone? What happened to Brock being too fast for the other HWs? His great wrestling? His unstoppable takedowns? Him being a great natural athlete? Oh yeah, all of those claims turned out to either be untrue or to count for nothing against Carwin :lol1:

Fedor fans at least have a great resume and great skills and diversity to back up their fandom. Brock fans have 'wow, he's so big it's unnatural. Though not unnatural in a steroids way, haters'.I dont like Fedor. so i must be a brock nuthugger ?

awesome logic.

yeks
07-19-2010, 02:12 AM
fedor would be back with a vengeance.. i pity his next opponent.. :D

Sn1
07-19-2010, 01:53 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if he loses in the exact same way, thinking that next
time theirs no way werdum will submit him when he goes for ground n pound.

Sn1
08-21-2010, 01:05 PM
I still like how Fedor just tore through him standing up. Fedor just missed with the combo but probably thought he landed. Werdum just fell back, looked weak to me, and kinda got lucky to have Fedor fall into perfect position. 95% of the time that doesnt happen, cant wait for the rematch.
i think that 95% stat doesnt really do werdums BJJ justice.

PopoFreitas
08-21-2010, 02:37 PM
I knew he was gonna lose because he never fights with strategy. He will fight his opponents at their own game and he has gottan lucky in the past (Nogeuira on the ground, Cro Cop in the stand up) but I knew that Werdum's ground game was at just another level.

What Fedor did was the equivalent of fighting Wladimir Klitschko in an MMA match and choosing to stand and trade punches.

But this was a good lesson for him and he will be much improved because of it.

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