Zab Judah has been put in the "WHO'S HOT" list because he's fight Shamba Mitchell next.

Surely Judah fighting Shamba Mitchell should put Judah more in the "NOT HOT" catagory, because Shamba is shot to pieces.

To be fair, Shamba Mitchell has looked like a fighter on the slide ever since his gift decsion against Lovermore Ndou. I think anyone with an eye for boxing would have noticed this... That's the reason I kept harping on about the Tszyu vs Mitchell II fight flattering Tszyu before Hatton fought Tszyu. (And I'm a Hatton fan).

Judah said that he'll fight ANYONE! when he became the Welterweight champ, yet so far he's fought that Cosme Riviera and now 37yr old Shamba "shot to pieces" Mitchell... Personally I think this qualifies Judah into the "NOT HOT" catogory.

Sooner or later, Judah's gonna have to fight a LIVE opponent. I think it'll be a big name in the light-welterweight division moving up, like Hatton/Cotto/Floyd...

you know the term ****** is pretty offensive to black people. thats like you basically saying you consider ghetto kids n!ggers..not cool at all..

pretty ****ing dumb of you to put that in your sig, you got that from my thread mocking godzhand.. you're an idiot lol..why is it that every single europeon(yes, peon) here is so dim witted?


and sharmbe mitchell is a fine opponent, you are just mad because zab is better than any current euroapes. troll this way please->

slip i was with you man until the european comment. that made you just as bad as him.

how ironice you criticize him for something like that then basically turn around and do the same thing.

IF Sharamba Mitchell is considered a decent opponent that just goes to show what a ****can the 147 pound divison is. Mitchell's last fight was an extremely lastluster performance that ended on a unintentional headcut. And in the fight preceeding that he was stopped before the end of round 3 by Kostya Tzyu. On top of that Mitchell has only had 1 fight at 147 and that was his most recent fight vs I believe Chris Smith?

Judah wants a big money fight like De la Hoya, Mosley or a rematch with Tszyu. That's why he is taking on these type of fighters right now to build up his reputation to the general public. Once that is done I believe he will get the big money fights he wants and will fight better opponents.

How is he building a repuation by fighting Coseme Rivera, and 37 year old, 1 fight at 147, stopped in the 3rd by Tzyu, Sharamba Mitchell? If he is building any kind of repuation through this kind of business is has to be a negative one. The guy wont touch Antonio Margarito with a ten foot pole despite the fact the guy is basically one the only live bodies at 147.

How is he building a repuation by fighting Coseme Rivera, and 37 year old, 1 fight at 147, stopped in the 3rd by Tzyu, Sharamba Mitchell? If he is building any kind of repuation through this kind of business is has to be a negative one. The guy wont touch Antonio Margarito with a ten foot pole despite the fact the guy is basically one the only live bodies at 147.
I agree.... This sort of competition Judah is facing is doing nothing but building a negative reputation for him.

He kept shouting out that he'd fight ANYONE when he became the welterweight champ, but so far Riviera and Mitchell are not what we'd call LIVE opponents. Judah said that he was gonna be one of those champs that isn't afraid to fight the best?

Imagine Ricky Hatton's next fight was to be against Shamba Mitchell?... Can you imagine the stick Ricky Hatton would get, yet it's ok for Judah to fight Shamba "shot to pieces" Mitchel because Judah is only doing it to help build his reputation.

It's all a load of B0LL0X!

He is building his reputation to the General public not boxing fans like us. Judah wants paydays that's all that matters to him right now and by blowing up a bunch of nobody's he get's the average non-boxing watching fan to take notice. Plus he needs more fans to be able to make money with a fight with Margarito. I'm not disagreeing with you this is just how I assume Judah is thinking.

you know the term ****** is pretty offensive to black people. thats like you basically saying you consider ghetto kids n!ggers..not cool at all..

pretty ****ing dumb of you to put that in your sig, you got that from my thread mocking godzhand.. you're an idiot lol..why is it that every single europeon(yes, peon) here is so dim witted?


and sharmbe mitchell is a fine opponent, you are just mad because zab is better than any current euroapes. troll this way please->

Are you ****ing joking, your saying its offensive to call black people ******s but then say all europeans are dumb?? thats just dumb in itself.

Back to the subject...

I dont see Mitchell as being shot, i just dont think he's ever had the tools to be as big of a deal as people make him out to be, he just cant punch hard enough to keep a pressure fighter off and Tszyu exposed that. He'll still give Judah a decent fight because he's a box puncher. If you think about it, Mitchell still took Tszyu more rounds than Judah.

If Judah catches him clean with the straight left its over pretty quickly but i think this will go 6+ rounds, maybe even the distance.

Zab Judah has been put in the "WHO'S HOT" list because he's fight Shamba Mitchell next.

Surely Judah fighting Shamba Mitchell should put Judah more in the "NOT HOT" catagory, because Shamba is shot to pieces.

To be fair, Shamba Mitchell has looked like a fighter on the slide ever since his gift decsion against Lovermore Ndou. I think anyone with an eye for boxing would have noticed this... That's the reason I kept harping on about the Tszyu vs Mitchell II fight flattering Tszyu before Hatton fought Tszyu. (And I'm a Hatton fan).

Judah said that he'll fight ANYONE! when he became the Welterweight champ, yet so far he's fought that Cosme Riviera and now 37yr old Shamba "shot to pieces" Mitchell... Personally I think this qualifies Judah into the "NOT HOT" catogory.

Sooner or later, Judah's gonna have to fight a LIVE opponent. I think it'll be a big name in the light-welterweight division moving up, like Hatton/Cotto/Floyd...


Well, Hatton/Cotto/Floyd... are all at 140 still, so who do you suggest he fight at 147 other than Sharmba?

How's about Antonio Margarito? Shane Mosley? But I don't think Sharmba Mitchell is a bad opponent. He's world class, still got skills, and lets face it Judah was knocked out one round sooner by the great Kostya Tszyu. Its an interesting fight to keep Judah going until something bigger (Mayweather or Oscar?) comes along.

How's about Antonio Margarito? Shane Mosley? But I don't think Sharmba Mitchell is a bad opponent. He's world class, still got skills, and lets face it Judah was knocked out one round sooner by the great Kostya Tszyu. Its an interesting fight to keep Judah going until something bigger (Mayweather or Oscar?) comes along.


Agreed. Margarito or Mosely would be a better fight than Mitchell. Anyone know why Judah isnt fighting Margarito? You'd think that they would be on a collision course.

Zab Judah has been put in the "WHO'S HOT" list because he's fight Shamba Mitchell next.

Surely Judah fighting Shamba Mitchell should put Judah more in the "NOT HOT" catagory, because Shamba is shot to pieces.

To be fair, Shamba Mitchell has looked like a fighter on the slide ever since his gift decsion against Lovermore Ndou. I think anyone with an eye for boxing would have noticed this... That's the reason I kept harping on about the Tszyu vs Mitchell II fight flattering Tszyu before Hatton fought Tszyu. (And I'm a Hatton fan).

Judah said that he'll fight ANYONE! when he became the Welterweight champ, yet so far he's fought that Cosme Riviera and now 37yr old Shamba "shot to pieces" Mitchell... Personally I think this qualifies Judah into the "NOT HOT" catogory.

Sooner or later, Judah's gonna have to fight a LIVE opponent. I think it'll be a big name in the light-welterweight division moving up, like Hatton/Cotto/Floyd...

Whatever, don't blame Judah. He's the one with the titles. He also fought Cory Spinks in a rematch for peanuts. He's not scared to fight anybody. How long did he call out Tszyu for a rematch? He never shut up about it. And there was always a big desire for a Judah vs. Mitchell match.

And did you really think Judah was going to get a better opponent for September 3? I think this is a damn good opponent on such short notice. Judah wanted Mosley, DLH, or Margarito. It isn't his fault that these guys wouldn't fight him yet. And hey, if anybody is worried about Judah ducking, which is silly, all they have to do is say they want Judah (which none of them have done) and one of the sanctioning bodies will rank one of these guys as a mandatory.

Seriously, you think Judah LIKES fighting ****ty mandatories?

Rivera was the WBC #1 contender. Now Mosley is. Mosley is #3 in the IBF, with #1 and #2 not rated. If Mosley really wants a shot, all he has to do is sign a contract. Or, if he doesn't want that, he can fight some bum to get the IBF #1, then Judah would have to defend.

And it has been looking like they're wanting to make Mosley vs. Margarito anyhow. So who else is there currently at 147?

Mitchell is the next best opponent. Please, name some better. Only one arguable is Luis Collazo or whatever, who is fighting already next month.

Yeah, Judah must feel like he's nobody with Oscar De La Hoya and Shane Mosley ducking him :D

Zab Judah has been put in the "WHO'S HOT" list because he's fight Shamba Mitchell next.

Surely Judah fighting Shamba Mitchell should put Judah more in the "NOT HOT" catagory, because Shamba is shot to pieces.

To be fair, Shamba Mitchell has looked like a fighter on the slide ever since his gift decsion against Lovermore Ndou. I think anyone with an eye for boxing would have noticed this... That's the reason I kept harping on about the Tszyu vs Mitchell II fight flattering Tszyu before Hatton fought Tszyu. (And I'm a Hatton fan).

Judah said that he'll fight ANYONE! when he became the Welterweight champ, yet so far he's fought that Cosme Riviera and now 37yr old Shamba "shot to pieces" Mitchell... Personally I think this qualifies Judah into the "NOT HOT" catogory.

Sooner or later, Judah's gonna have to fight a LIVE opponent. I think it'll be a big name in the light-welterweight division moving up, like Hatton/Cotto/Floyd...


Are you assuming that black ghetto kids are n!ggers in your sig? If so, I take exception to that comment. You should remove it from your avatar before you offend anyone else.

Zab is definitely going backwards, a W vs. Mitchell does nothing to his rep or cred, he'd be better off fighting another mandatory while waiting for the big fish, becuase after Mitchell another mandatory will be due and we'll have to wait another 6-8 months for Zab to fight a quality opponent, so it looks like we won't see Zab in a real "fight" for about a year

This is a mismatch..
by no means is Zab Judah stepping up his opposition...

Mitchell is a bum.

I like Zab Judah and **** but this is intended for the person that wrote the WHOS HOT WHOS NOT article..

I think this is a mismatch

sharmba is a half step up from zabs manditories. he's not going to fight anyone dangerous for as long as he can. get use to it.

can't blame him. why risk belts against a margarito or mosley when you can make money fighting paperbelt manditories.

zabs been jabbering about being ppv material but hopefully they dont make his sharmba and manditories ppv. and if they do don't buy them.maybe that will make zab fight someone that counts.

maybe every fight is going to be a ppv in future. look what they're doing with barrera. a fana being a ppv. a barrera/pedan ppv. man thats ****.

sharmba is a half step up from zabs manditories. he's not going to fight anyone dangerous for as long as he can. get use to it.

can't blame him. why risk belts against a margarito or mosley when you can make money fighting paperbelt manditories.

zabs been jabbering about being ppv material but hopefully they dont make his sharmba and manditories ppv. and if they do don't buy them.maybe that will make zab fight someone that counts.

maybe every fight is going to be a ppv in future. look what they're doing with barrera. a fana being a ppv. a barrera/pedan ppv. man thats ****.

Actually he isn't. Sharamba is rated #11 contender I belive by the WBC. He is not even a top 10 guy at 147.

Anyone else find it amusing reading a post from a British boxing fan about a fighter not facing live competition?


At the rate Judah is fighting, this is a fine fight for him to be taking. This will be his 3rd fight in 2005, and he will surely be fighting again in the late fall.

At Welter, there are really only two Marquee fights.

1. Shane Mosley, who had this to say about fighting Judah:


"I want to fight the best guys out there. It doesn't really matter which order I get them in, one at a time I'm going to get them all anyway. Zab's been talking some stuff, Tszyu is out there. I just want the biggest fights out there that the fans want.
I'd like to get another fight in before we go for something big. Estrada was my first fight back at 47 in a while, so one more fight and then I'm going to be looking for all of the top guys in the division." (May 26, 2005)

"The fight will happen probably some time next year, he's been talking a lot of junk and I'm going to shut him up... After my next fight or two, I'm coming for everybody."


The other fighter is Margarito, who Oscar Delahoya, Shane Mosley, Vernon Forrest, Ricardo Mayorga and Corey Spinks didn't fight either.

Margarito is an Arum fighter, and I haven't heard him talk much about fighting Judah.

I think because Mosley isn't ready yet, Zab vs Margarito is the next big fight at Welter, but there's nothing wrong with it happening later in the year. It also takes two of them to make a fight.

IMO Judah fighting Mitchell for his 3rd fight this year is very solid and admirable.

Are you assuming that black ghetto kids are n!ggers in your sig? If so, I take exception to that comment. You should remove it from your avatar before you offend anyone else.
If you don't like the word then I suggest you don't buy yourself a dictionary because there are bound to be a whole load words in there that easily offend you... LOL!... ;)

Hatton didn't fight Mitchell at 140 and that offer was on the table

Hatton didn't fight Mitchell at 140 and that offer was on the table
That's because Mitchell didn't want to fight Hatton.

Mitchell knew that Hatton would beat him, and Mitchell was Tszyu mandatory... Tszyu was not allowed to fight anyone else but Mitchell or he'd be stripped in his next fight coming off his injury.

I guess Mitchell wanted to fight Tszyu and didn't want Hatton to throw a spanner in the works.

If you don't like the word then I suggest you don't buy yourself a dictionary because there are bound to be a whole load words in there that easily offend you... LOL!... ;)


Answer the question instead of being a smart ass. I thought you had a better exercise of judgement, but I was totally wrong.

This is clearly a BARK no BITE situation.Plain and simple he is waiting for other things to happen to get easier fights in the future. Maybe it isnt him its his management but this guy by the way he talks should be fighting Margarito or Mosley already.

This is clearly a BARK no BITE situation.Plain and simple he is waiting for other things to happen to get easier fights in the future. Maybe it isnt him its his management but this guy by the way he talks should be fighting Margarito or Mosley already.

Maybe you missed my earlier post, but Mosley (by his own admission) isn't ready to fight Judah, and said he wants one or two more fights before taking a top fight at 147.

Margarito would be a good opponent for Zab, but I see no way to blame Zab for the fight not happening.

Margarito is with Arum, Zab is with King. It takes two to make a fight happen, and it's just as much up to Margarito to make the fight happen.

If you don't like the word then I suggest you don't buy yourself a dictionary because there are bound to be a whole load words in there that easily offend you... LOL!... ;)

I'm not sure about the whole thing, if its ok to call each other then why is it offensive if a different race makes reference too it?? isnt that racist in itself, saying that a different race isnt allowed to say the same thing because of their skin colour!?!

No one in my mind can be racist to me because i know i'm not inferior to any other race. If you think your inferior or think like a victim then your only racist to yourself.

Maybe you missed my earlier post, but Mosley (by his own admission) isn't ready to fight Judah, and said he wants one or two more fights before taking a top fight at 147.

Margarito would be a good opponent for Zab, but I see no way to blame Zab for the fight not happening.

Margarito is with Arum, Zab is with King. It takes two to make a fight happen, and it's just as much up to Margarito to make the fight happen.

That's the KEY, gentleman. Fighters don't control who they fight, their promoters do, and also which "network" they're signed to. Zab is with DKP, nuff said! When was the last time Don King promoted a meaningful fight?

I'm actually looking forward to this fight. Shamba is a very tough opponent for anyone. His speed and ring skills are great. good choice.

Zab is definitely going backwards, a W vs. Mitchell does nothing to his rep or cred, he'd be better off fighting another mandatory while waiting for the big fish, becuase after Mitchell another mandatory will be due and we'll have to wait another 6-8 months for Zab to fight a quality opponent, so it looks like we won't see Zab in a real "fight" for about a year

Did you not read what I posted? Mosley would then likely be the mandatory. He'd be the "next available contender" in IBF b/c #1 and #2 are Not Rated. Mosley is #3. He'd be the mandatory.

And you idiots. Mitchell is the next best thing! Come on, I've yet to see anybody name someone better than Mitchell if Mosley and Margarito are unavailable. Nobody. And Margarito is questionable anyhow. I personally think Mitchell is as good as Margarito. **** records, styles make fights. Margarito is ready made for Mosley or Judah. And I wouldn't at all be surprised if Mitchell beat him. Not saying I think he would, but I'd give him a better chance than others would.

Mitchell didn't want to fight Hatton? Quit sucking that brit dick, man. Hatton was ducking the hell out of Mitchell and Judah. Hatton mentioned Judah one time a LONG ass time ago and Judah said let's fight. You can't find one place, until maybe after the Tszyu fight, that Hatton even said Judah's name again. That's how scared he was of Judah. And if you can, find anything about Hatton talking about Judah after Judah agreed and said lets fight, and before the Tszyu win, I'll give you a million points. I'll save anybody the trouble, you won't find it b/c it isn't there. I read every single Hatton interview out there simply to see if he'd mention Judah or Mitchell. Never did he mention Judah.

To say hatton is or was scared of mitchell or judah because he hasnt slagged them or mentioned them is quite pathetic.Judah could take a leaf out of hattons book when it comes to integrity.As for a judah-tsyzu rematch,i seem to recall judah saying at the press conference before the fight that a rematch wasnt an option,it was "winner takes all",then when he gets knocked out he is harping on and on about a rematch that he wouldnt agree to pre fight.His reaction to the ref after he stopped the bout says everything you need to know about judah,he is a complete dick who does the image of this great sport no favours whatsoever.

Mitchell didn't want to fight Hatton? Quit sucking that brit dick, man. Hatton was ducking the hell out of Mitchell and Judah. Hatton mentioned Judah one time a LONG ass time ago and Judah said let's fight. You can't find one place, until maybe after the Tszyu fight, that Hatton even said Judah's name again. That's how scared he was of Judah. And if you can, find anything about Hatton talking about Judah after Judah agreed and said lets fight, and before the Tszyu win, I'll give you a million points. I'll save anybody the trouble, you won't find it b/c it isn't there. I read every single Hatton interview out there simply to see if he'd mention Judah or Mitchell. Never did he mention Judah.

I dont even know what what the debate is about but i've read yours so just wanted to mention this, I've seen Hatton mention Judah a lot, he only did it after a fight when he gets interviewed by Sky Sports about who he would like to fight next, he did it until Tszyu knocked his ass out then Hatton changed who he wanted to fight.

I even think Judah was on his hitlist(wishlist) on the Hatton website for a few years, he's never bad mouthed him though.

Zab Judah has been put in the "WHO'S HOT" list because he's fight Shamba Mitchell next.

Surely Judah fighting Shamba Mitchell should put Judah more in the "NOT HOT" catagory, because Shamba is shot to pieces.

To be fair, Shamba Mitchell has looked like a fighter on the slide ever since his gift decsion against Lovermore Ndou. I think anyone with an eye for boxing would have noticed this... That's the reason I kept harping on about the Tszyu vs Mitchell II fight flattering Tszyu before Hatton fought Tszyu. (And I'm a Hatton fan).

Judah said that he'll fight ANYONE! when he became the Welterweight champ, yet so far he's fought that Cosme Riviera and now 37yr old Shamba "shot to pieces" Mitchell... Personally I think this qualifies Judah into the "NOT HOT" catogory.

Sooner or later, Judah's gonna have to fight a LIVE opponent. I think it'll be a big name in the light-welterweight division moving up, like Hatton/Cotto/Floyd...

If Judah faught a "live" opponent and beat him you and everyone else would probably say...when Zab going to fight a LIVE opponent? :D

I agree that Cory Spinks sucks, but come on, you have to realize Judah is easily the 2nd most talented fighter in the world today. If him and Mayweather fight, it will be the most talent in a single ring in the history of the sport.

I agree that Cory Spinks sucks, but come on, you have to realize Judah is easily the 2nd most talented fighter in the world today. If him and Mayweather fight, it will be the most talent in a single ring in the history of the sport.

I hear you... :cool:

Maybe you missed my earlier post, but Mosley (by his own admission) isn't ready to fight Judah, and said he wants one or two more fights before taking a top fight at 147.

Margarito would be a good opponent for Zab, but I see no way to blame Zab for the fight not happening.

Margarito is with Arum, Zab is with King. It takes two to make a fight happen, and it's just as much up to Margarito to make the fight happen.

Even if the Margarito fight is tough to pull off I could not blame Judah for avoiding him. Zab has as much of a chance beating Mosley or De la Hoya as he does Margarito and he would make three times the bread.

I think Zab will crush De La Hoya or Mosley but not so sure about Margarito

But honestly, the only reason to fight De La Hoya at this point is to make $$$ because let's face it...everyone beats De La Hoya these days

I agree that Cory Spinks sucks, but come on, you have to realize Judah is easily the 2nd most talented fighter in the world today. If him and Mayweather fight, it will be the most talent in a single ring in the history of the sport.

Take away Judahs speed and he's nothing, the cant be said for Mayweather because he has got genuine skill.

Take away Judahs speed and he's nothing, the cant be said for Mayweather because he has got genuine skill.

If you took away any fighters speed they would be less of a fighter. :confused:

If you took away any fighters speed they would be less of a fighter. :confused:

Less of a fighter yes but Judah couldnt compete at the top without a big speed advantage, Mayweather has ring intelligence and would still be good if he was slower. Same sort of thing as James Toney, he was quick but now he's slower he's still really effective.

Less of a fighter yes but Judah couldnt compete at the top without a big speed advantage, Mayweather has ring intelligence and would still be good if he was slower. Same sort of thing as James Toney, he was quick but now he's slower he's still really effective.

I see your point but I think Zab is a very good boxer. His hand speed does make him but he also has good foot work and defense.

I see your point but I think Zab is a very good boxer. His hand speed does make him but he also has good foot work and defense.

He moves well, although i think his defence depends a lot on his speed, opponents would hit him a lot more if they knew they werent going to get hit with that fast bomb whenever they attack. Where a fighter like Mayweather hasnt got the same power so he needs a better defence.

I'm not playing down Judah's ability, i just dont think he has a long career in the sport, as soon as the speed goes so does his career.

He moves well, although i think his defence depends a lot on his speed, opponents would hit him a lot more if they knew they werent going to get hit with that fast bomb whenever they attack. Where a fighter like Mayweather hasnt got the same power so he needs a better defence.

I'm not playing down Judah's ability, i just dont think he has a long career in the sport, as soon as the speed goes so does his career.

Hopefulley that speed won't be going anywhere for another couple of years. :)

He moves well, although i think his defence depends a lot on his speed, opponents would hit him a lot more if they knew they werent going to get hit with that fast bomb whenever they attack. Where a fighter like Mayweather hasnt got the same power so he needs a better defence.

I'm not playing down Judah's ability, i just dont think he has a long career in the sport, as soon as the speed goes so does his career.

even if judahs speend slows down hes still gonna be faster than most

and sharmbe mitchell is a fine opponent, you are just mad because zab is better than any current euroapes. troll this way please->

Couldn't have worded it better myself. I suppose Zab is supposed to vacate his Welterweight Title, in order to make weight to fight Ricky Hatton.

Couldn't have worded it better myself. I suppose Zab is supposed to vacate his Welterweight Title, in order to make weight to fight Ricky Hatton.
I am not exactly a Judah fan but he will beat Hatton with speed,and a punch that i know is harder than Hattons

Personally I like this fight for Zab, its a good name to have on his record if he wins. I think this is a legitmate test, Mitchell is a hell of alot better than Cosme Rivera.

Personally I like this fight for Zab, its a good name to have on his record if he wins. I think this is a legitmate test, Mitchell is a hell of alot better than Cosme Rivera.
and thats THE TRUTH



Personally i would like to see Mayweather and Judah go at it and my dream fight is Morales vs Mayweather. I remember Morales at one time was calling out Mayweather but Mayweather for some reason skiped that fight. It may have been a great one

Zab is pathetic...he won't make money fighting nobodies...i guess he was happy with the $75000 he got for fighting spinks and he'll stick to that chump change....everyone knows that mexicans love to see their countrymen fight and they support them with ppv buys...that is the reason that dLH,morales, barrera,chavez,margarito etc etc etc,,,get fat money for their fights...so if zab had an ounce of brains he would fight margarito and get paid in 1 fight what he will get paid in these coward fights for the next 10 yrs combine...look how successful espn ppv worked out with margarito...but i guess the short zab is happy with short change,,,,,,

Personally I like this fight for Zab, its a good name to have on his record if he wins. I think this is a legitmate test, Mitchell is a hell of alot better than Cosme Rivera.



exactly. but what i really want to see is Judah - Margarito

IF Sharamba Mitchell is considered a decent opponent that just goes to show what a ****can the 147 pound divison is. Mitchell's last fight was an extremely lastluster performance that ended on a unintentional headcut. And in the fight preceeding that he was stopped before the end of round 3 by Kostya Tzyu. On top of that Mitchell has only had 1 fight at 147 and that was his most recent fight vs I believe Chris Smith?

oh yeah 147 sucks huh. judah mosley margarito, mitchell. obviously you read reports only about mitchells last fight cause if you saw it youd know he put on a brilliant performanc for the 4 rounds it lasted. his combos and accruacy were absolutely great he dominated the fight. mitchell looked the best iver seen him since the tackie fight against smith, but then again youll never give zab credit. if he were to move to heavyweight and KO wladimir klitschko youd say "oh well he had a *****y chin anyway and was overrated" which is true of course but with a welterweight knocking him out it doesnt matter.