The story of Iron Mike Tyson is a famous one. Most people will agree that PART of the downfall of Mike Tyson was his decision to scrap Kevin Rooney as his trainer, the last connection he had to the Cus Damato world. After scrapping Rooney, that is when Mike went with Don King and other scrupoulous characters who took Mike down a downward spiral of destruction, of course Mike is responsible for his own actions as well but who you associate with can also influence you. So now we have Mike Tyson a shell of his former self: bankrupt, skills eroded, glory gone, mansions gone, aura gone. BUT WAIT! There is hope because Iron Mike has a new trainer in Freddie Roach. Gone is the old destructive entourage, replaced my task master and disciple of boxing Freddie Roach. Freddie Roach is all business and his stable also includes James Toney as well as Pacman. And he has told Mike if he is not serious about making a comeback "don't waste my time". This is someone Mike needs someone who won't take shyt from him, and teach him some discipline. So do you think Freddie Roach can return Mike to Heavyweight Contendership and possibly the title? Or is Iron Mike so far gone that God himself couldn't save him?.....your thoughts please.

in short no.
not unless he is a master of time and can send the clock back 15 years.

The story of Iron Mike Tyson is a famous one. Most people will agree that PART of the downfall of Mike Tyson was his decision to scrap Kevin Rooney as his trainer, the last connection he had to the Cus Damato world. After scrapping Rooney, that is when Mike went with Don King and other scrupoulous characters who took Mike down a downward spiral of destruction, of course Mike is responsible for his own actions as well but who you associate with can also influence you. So now we have Mike Tyson a shell of his former self: bankrupt, skills eroded, glory gone, mansions gone, aura gone. BUT WAIT! There is hope because Iron Mike has a new trainer in Freddie Roach. Gone is the old destructive entourage, replaced my task master and disciple of boxing Freddie Roach. Freddie Roach is all business and his stable also includes James Toney as well as Pacman. And he has told Mike if he is not serious about making a comeback "don't waste my time". This is someone Mike needs someone who won't take shyt from him, and teach him some discipline. So do you think Freddie Roach can return Mike to Heavyweight Contendership and possibly the title? Or is Iron Mike so far gone that God himself couldn't save him?.....your thoughts please.


Roach was in his corner for the Williams fight.
Roach can't teach Mike to stop being such a frontrunner.
Mike could execute all of Roach's training, brilliantly, but if the opposition isn't cooperating (meaning, knocked out)....Tyson's inner ***** negates all that he's learned.

no, Tysons over and has been for some time.

Roach was in his corner for the Williams fight.
Roach can't teach Mike to stop being such a frontrunner.
Mike could execute all of Roach's training, brilliantly, but if the opposition isn't cooperating (meaning, knocked out)....Tyson's inner ***** negates all that he's learned.



I'm giving Mike the benefit of the doubt for the Williams fight because of what happened to his knee in that fight. I'd like to see Mike fight one more time, this way i can see if Roach has been helping or if he's on his way down

I'm giving Mike the benefit of the doubt for the Williams fight because of what happened to his knee in that fight. I'd like to see Mike fight one more time, this way i can see if Roach has been helping or if he's on his way down


He's on his way down no matter what you see.
How can you possibly think otherwise ?
He's nearly forty, a mental wreck, & has taken some serious ass-beatings.

in short no.
not unless he is a master of time and can send the clock back 15 years.
That about sums it up.

Tyson is simply a side show now. He is like a poor (or rich?) man's Butterbean.

Non boxing fans will still pay for his fights, so there is still money on the table for him.

His chances of being a legitimate heavyweight contender are all but over.

As he gets older, the quality of opposition that beats him will diminish before he retires for good after losing to Ali's equivalent to Berbick

Tyson is a shot fighter and he is finished. Forget it!!!

Tyson is a shot fighter and he is finished. Forget it!!!



i am giving tyson the benefit of the doubt becuase he messed up his knee in his last fight so he really couldnt fight. if he loses one more time I can say for a fact he is truly finished.

i dont think anyone can "save" tyson
im assuming u mean get his career back on track
he doesnt have time to be wasten
and that ko from williams only slowed down his chance to returning
with everday that goes by
its only gonna get harder n harder for tyson to have a shot at once again becomin a champ

Can Freddie Roach Save Mike Tyson?
He once has already saved him. There was it in July of this year. Then Freddie has offered Tyson to leave on rest.

The story of Iron Mike Tyson is a famous one. Most people will agree that PART of the downfall of Mike Tyson was his decision to scrap Kevin Rooney as his trainer, the last connection he had to the Cus Damato world. After scrapping Rooney, that is when Mike went with Don King and other scrupoulous characters who took Mike down a downward spiral of destruction, of course Mike is responsible for his own actions as well but who you associate with can also influence you. So now we have Mike Tyson a shell of his former self: bankrupt, skills eroded, glory gone, mansions gone, aura gone. BUT WAIT! There is hope because Iron Mike has a new trainer in Freddie Roach. Gone is the old destructive entourage, replaced my task master and disciple of boxing Freddie Roach. Freddie Roach is all business and his stable also includes James Toney as well as Pacman. And he has told Mike if he is not serious about making a comeback "don't waste my time". This is someone Mike needs someone who won't take shyt from him, and teach him some discipline. So do you think Freddie Roach can return Mike to Heavyweight Contendership and possibly the title? Or is Iron Mike so far gone that God himself couldn't save him?.....your thoughts please.

I think the only person that can save Tyson is Tyson. As a person and a fighter. As long as he still has his power (and word has it that he does) then he's still a force...but only he can make himself commit to it and everything that involves...like trainging, staying out of trouble, etc.

The only thing that Roach can teach Iron Mike right now is discipline. Mike still has the power and skill to bounce back, specially with the present mediocre heavyweight line-up. But if Roach fails on this, if Iron Mike refuses to be cooperative, then nothing else can raise a dead man from his grave. :rolleyes:

From what I saw in the Tyson/Williams fight....yes, Roach can help save Tyson. Prior to the torn ligament and for a while after the injury Tyson was beatin Williams without a question. He was slipping punches better than I've seen him do in a long while and he was throwin some ill body shots. In the times where Williams tried to tie up Mike earlier in the fight, he was victim to some nice uppercuts, showing that that tactic was not very effective like it would have been a couple years ago. I think that Tyson can make his comeback, but he's gotta be beyond disciplined cus everybody's against him and doesn't want to give him a chance.

The only thing that Roach can teach Iron Mike right now is discipline. Mike still has the power and skill to bounce back, specially with the present mediocre heavyweight line-up. But if Roach fails on this, if Iron Mike refuses to be cooperative, then nothing else can raise a dead man from his grave. :rolleyes:




Discipline seems to be the missing key. Cus Damato was the only one that Mike truly respected so after he died it was only a matter of time before he told Rooney to go jump in a lake. From the interviews I have read Mike seems to respect Freddie Roach too, Freddie Roach is known not clown and will tell Mike to get lost if he is not serious. Mike has even told Freddie,"Freddie I got your back man, if anyone f**ks with you I'll kill him." So the respect is there. It's up to Mike now to get motivated and driven to succeed then we will see if he still has a shot, once the knee heals of course.

I think he can still come back. But he has to really want it from inside. He should not step in the ring, just to get a paycheck.

The story of Iron Mike Tyson is a famous one. Most people will agree that PART of the downfall of Mike Tyson was his decision to scrap Kevin Rooney as his trainer, the last connection he had to the Cus Damato world. After scrapping Rooney, that is when Mike went with Don King and other scrupoulous characters who took Mike down a downward spiral of destruction, of course Mike is responsible for his own actions as well but who you associate with can also influence you. So now we have Mike Tyson a shell of his former self: bankrupt, skills eroded, glory gone, mansions gone, aura gone. BUT WAIT! There is hope because Iron Mike has a new trainer in Freddie Roach. Gone is the old destructive entourage, replaced my task master and disciple of boxing Freddie Roach. Freddie Roach is all business and his stable also includes James Toney as well as Pacman. And he has told Mike if he is not serious about making a comeback "don't waste my time". This is someone Mike needs someone who won't take shyt from him, and teach him some discipline. So do you think Freddie Roach can return Mike to Heavyweight Contendership and possibly the title? Or is Iron Mike so far gone that God himself couldn't save him?.....your thoughts please.

Nobody can save Tyson. Tyson is an old man who's skilla have been goind down for 15 years now, its time to let go.

yeah Tyson is an old man who's skills have really gone down the tubes. But he's a heavyweight, that applies to a lot of the contenders now adays

yeah Tyson is an old man who's skills have really gone down the tubes. But he's a heavyweight, that applies to a lot of the contenders now adays
I don't think he's that old. A healthy and focused Tyson today can still handily beat the likes of Byrd and Ruiz. But the problem is that he's not healthy and has lots of distractions. He certainly needs help and if he's "willing" to be helped (by Roach), then he can still be his old "killing" machine.

I don't think he's that old. A healthy and focused Tyson today can still handily beat the likes of Byrd and Ruiz. But the problem is that he's not healthy and has lots of distractions. He certainly needs help and if he's "willing" to be helped (by Roach), then he can still be his old "killing" machine.


he's 38

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He's 38 but you know over last 10 years he hasn't fought that much,I mean think about it most Tyson fights don't last that long anyways, so its not like he has fought as many rounds as you think. What I am saying is over Tyson's 19 year career because he is such a bigger puncher(not as many rounds or poundings that a fighter with 12 round decisions would recieve)he might have more left than you think, not to mention the three years in jail were he didn't fight at all.

thanks to tyson knee getting jacked in his last fight we cant tell as of right now if roach can save him. it will take another fight. in my humble opinion.

I dnt think he can, tyson's too old, hes past it

I dnt think he can, tyson's too old, hes past it



in this day and age in sports 38 is not that old. look at hopkins and jerry rice.

no one can save mike except for himself, simple as that. it doesnt really seem like he listen to anyone except when he was with cus and kevin after that he didnt and did not want to listen to anyone.

no one can save mike except for himself, simple as that. it doesnt really seem like he listen to anyone except when he was with cus and kevin after that he didnt and did not want to listen to anyone.


yup for some reason tyson wouldnt listen to no body but old man Cus. too bad the old man died.

yup for some reason tyson wouldnt listen to no body but old man Cus. too bad the old man died.

Tyson is not only hardheaded, he's too old to change and get trained. Roach should not waste his time teaching new tricks to a stupid old dog.

Tyson is not only hardheaded, he's too old to change and get trained. Roach should not waste his time teaching new tricks to a stupid old dog.



hey if he he could resurrect toney than why not tyson

Roach can only help; as a few others could. But it's only Tyson who can really do something about Tyson's problem.

In addition, time is not standing still for anyone; not even for someone like Mike Tyson.

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I don't think he's that old. A healthy and focused Tyson today can still handily beat the likes of Byrd and Ruiz. But the problem is that he's not healthy and has lots of distractions. He certainly needs help and if he's "willing" to be helped (by Roach), then he can still be his old "killing" machine.


I agree to this post.

Roach can make him look respectable in the ring, but thats about it. Tyson always seems to self destruct his personal life. I dont see anyone willing to risk their neck out for a guy that just cant get it together.

Roach can make him look respectable in the ring, but thats about it. Tyson always seems to self destruct his personal life. I dont see anyone willing to risk their neck out for a guy that just cant get it together.



yup as I'm reading your post --breaking news tyson just got arrested again no kidding.

yup as I'm reading your post --breaking news tyson just got arrested again no kidding.

for real? :eek: Now what?? Morbid fascination wins out every time :o

Nobody can save Mike except himself. Cant ppl just except the hunger is gone.

Nobody can save Mike except himself. Cant ppl just except the hunger is gone.



yup he got arrested again. it seems hes a lost cause.

yup he got arrested again. it seems hes a lost cause.

I asked you earlier but you never said for what? Matter of fact,I also asked you a question on the thread about your grandma and you didnt answer it either. Thats it...I'm not gonna be your friend anymore! :p :D Seiously though, any idea why ?? :confused:

I asked you earlier but you never said for what? Matter of fact,I also asked you a question on the thread about your grandma and you didnt answer it either. Thats it...I'm not gonna be your friend anymore! :p :D Seiously though, any idea why ?? :confused:



oh im sorry....I jump around from thread to thread so if I dont answer you it's not intentional its because I didnt read your post yet...maybe I need to stay in one thread more. Anyway Tyson got arrested for jumping on the hood of some guys car outside of a nightclub. he jumped on the guys car and pounded it did some damage to the car. Dont know why he did it.

oh im sorry....I jump around from thread to thread so if I dont answer you it's not intentional its because I didnt read your post yet...maybe I need to stay in one thread more. Anyway Tyson got arrested for jumping on the hood of some guys car outside of a nightclub. he jumped on the guys car and pounded it did some damage to the car. Dont know why he did it.

Probably cause he's Tyson! ;) I dont know about you, but I am on so many threads sometime...in the middle of discussions with several people, and if it werent for the "Topic Reply Notifications" that I get in my private email I'd never be able to keep up! In case you've not activated that yet, you can find it somehere in the control panel (just dont ask me where cause I like to have never found it when Rick changed the format..so, sorry :o ) It will ask if you'd like a notification of replies to the threads you've posted on, etc.. ;)

Probably cause he's Tyson! ;) I dont know about you, but I am on so many threads sometime...in the middle of discussions with several people, and if it werent for the "Topic Reply Notifications" that I get in my private email I'd never be able to keep up! In case you've not activated that yet, you can find it somehere in the control panel (just dont ask me where cause I like to have never found it when Rick changed the format..so, sorry :o ) It will ask if you'd like a notification of replies to the threads you've posted on, etc.. ;)



nah i dont want to be bothered all the time with that in my private email. I have too many threads on here, id get notified every second.

nah i dont want to be bothered all the time with that in my private email. I have too many threads on here, id get notified every second.

Okay, then just fly blind and never answer my questions :D Actually, I delete alot of them but the ones I like to keep up with I delete after reading the latest post. ;)

Okay, then just fly blind and never answer my questions :D Actually, I delete alot of them but the ones I like to keep up with I delete after reading the latest post. ;)



just come bug me if you see me online and you want an answer to a question I missed....I dont mind.

just come bug me if you see me online and you want an answer to a question I missed....I dont mind.

I can bug...no problem :D

lets see what happens now after the latest arrest