Just as people thought Tsyzu is trying to back out of hatton fight. ********* reports that Tsyzu manager is dening that FranK Warren made an agreement ( which i think was a huge offer to the Tsyzu camp ) and sys they might vacate the title all together and fight some one else. I wish Tsyzu or anyone with a name fight Hatton, does he have to get to his knees and beg?

Hatton is a nobody.
Tsyzu doesnt want to waste his short time fight average fighters.

I think he will either fight Spinks or Oscar at 147!!!

C'mon Tzyu ducking Hatton. He was out for over a year and came back a fought the top guy in the division (who Hatton had been ducking and fighting all his leftovers)

Why would he possible be ducking Hatton??

C'mon Tzyu ducking Hatton. He was out for over a year and came back a fought the top guy in the division (who Hatton had been ducking and fighting all his leftovers)

Why would he possible be ducking Hatton??

I'd hardly call Mitchell the top guy. Who's he beaten that's any better than the other guys have fought? He'd lose to 3 or 4 of the top guys at 140. KT knows Hatton's probably his toughest fight since Phillips and he'd have less problems with Spinks and get more money. Hatton ducking Mitchell is a flat out joke - if Mitchell had beaten KT he'd be fighting him next.Fool.

tzsyu is'nt ducking hatton it's just warren digging his heels in about the venue. frank seems to think that even though tzsyu is the champion warren can still dictate where the fight takes place. why should tzsyu come to mancester? if hatton was champ would he go to australia, russia or the us? i think not.

tzsyu is'nt ducking hatton it's just warren digging his heels in about the venue. frank seems to think that even though tzsyu is the champion warren can still dictate where the fight takes place. why should tzsyu come to mancester? if hatton was champ would he go to australia, russia or the us? i think not.

To be fair, Warren is offering him well over the odds to fight in Manchester according to the reports. I don't know if either fighter would get as much if the fight was elsewhere.

right im a hatton fan but lets get this straight Zoo is not ducking hatton. (ill be there sat night)

Conversely i dont think hatotn is ducking zoo.

Kostya is at that time of his fistic life where he wants the big american names and quite rightly, he has nothing to gain by fighting hatton, if he wins everyone expects him to (the majotity of folk) but if loses its all down the pan. all the big money fights.

Zoo is however not scared of hatton. Zoo in fact i dont think is scared of anyone.

right im a hatton fan but lets get this straight Zoo is not ducking hatton. (ill be there sat night)

Conversely i dont think hatotn is ducking zoo.

Kostya is at that time of his fistic life where he wants the big american names and quite rightly, he has nothing to gain by fighting hatton, if he wins everyone expects him to (the majotity of folk) but if loses its all down the pan. all the big money fights.

Zoo is however not scared of hatton. Zoo in fact i dont think is scared of anyone.

If the reported figure of £2million on offer to Tszyu is correct, surely it would be worthwhile to take it and then move on, unless he is a bit wary of Hatton?

if it is 2m then it's a good deal, but if saying it's the men or nowhere and costs ricky the fight then whats the point. i think tzsyu is right to be wary of hatton, but no more wary than anyone else in the top 10.

If the reported figure of £2million on offer to Tszyu is correct, surely it would be worthwhile to take it and then move on, unless he is a bit wary of Hatton?


Just another sickening case of Warren babying Hatton and trying to keep all his fights in his backyard where he is comfortable.

Let me say this once and for all..........the United States is where the major championship fights of our generation go down...PERIOD. The Klitchko's fight here, all the Mexican champs fight here, Tszyu fights here, Lennox fought here, all the African fighters fight here.

Warren, if you wanna have your little spoon feed fighter get his ass laid down by the best 140 pounder in the world.......then sign the contract and bring his lilly ass to Mandalay Bay!

If the reported figure of £2million on offer to Tszyu is correct, surely it would be worthwhile to take it and then move on, unless he is a bit wary of Hatton?

not when you would get ten for fighting gatti / mayweather / spinks / corrales / it isnt.
its peanuts.

if it is 2m then it's a good deal, but if saying it's the men or nowhere and costs ricky the fight then whats the point. i think tzsyu is right to be wary of hatton, but no more wary than anyone else in the top 10.

I think the £2m offer is probably a list ditch attempt to stop KT from vacating and Warren obviously feels that he can only generate that sort of money if the fight's in Manchester.

I think they'd take the fight anywhere but there's more chance of KT moving up to 147, the less cash is on offer.

I'd trim your top 10 bit down to 5 too :D

not when you would get ten for fighting gatti / mayweather / spinks / corrales / it isnt.
its peanuts.

Is that how much they're getting at the lower weights these days? :eek: I'd be genuinely suprised, even if the figure was in $$.

ok lets meet half way 10 mill dollars ;) :D

in serioussness theres too much of a down side for Kostya idf he loses, thats not ducking which implies cowardice, its pure biznezz sense.

expect hatton vs ndou for vacant title in manc next year, been saying it since the kostya/ sharmba fight. ;)

Is that how much they're getting at the lower weights these days? :eek: I'd be genuinely suprised, even if the figure was in $$.


he got over 2 mill against shamrba GBP that is.
A superfight against the likes of gatti would earn at least double.
so its not far off.
was using ballpark fig, its would be considerably more than 2 mill for fighting hatton in his own back yard thats for sure.

ok lets meet half way 10 mill dollars ;) :D

in serioussness theres too much of a down side for Kostya idf he loses, thats not ducking which implies cowardice, its pure biznezz sense.

expect hatton vs ndou for vacant title in manc next year, been saying it since the kostya/ sharmba fight. ;)

I agree. I never meant to imply he was ducking him due to fear, just business sense as you say. :)

i agree about n'dou. i just don't see this tzsyu fight coming off.

just thinking a little left of field.... its not just that its the logistics of it too, the US tv companies to finance the fight would want it to take place around 2 am for PPV purposes, cant see 22 thousand folk piling into the centre of Manchester at gone 3 am with no transport and bevved up being too much of a problem for the local authorities can you.

Guess who would have to sanction the go ahead...yip the local authorities.

So thats out then, so all the money has to come form FW, which is why its not feasible to go above 2 mill and FW would be taking a loss on that as well I would imagine.

Ah the perenial 140 who's who! Lets be honest it makes sence for Zoo to take on Spinks at 147 becuase he can handle him physically and has the power to hurt him, If I was Zoo I'd much rather take on Spinks than Hatton, Its a step up in weight meaning if he wins he gets the plaudids that go with that, and he becomes a two weight world champion.

If he fights Hatton then its just another defence, if he loses, he loses the belts and does not vacate as he would if he moved up. Hatton is strong and similar in many ways to Zoo, Hatton won't let Zoo bully him and has the power to hurt Zoo. It makes perfect sence for him to move up to Spinks.

From Hatton's perspective, he needs Zoo, really needs him. Hatton and Warren sould chase Zoo round the world for a location, even if its a barn in Siberia. However I can't think that Zoo would get more than 2 million, if that is the figure that Warren is banding about, for facing Spinks - he might match it but I doubt he'll beat it.

I truely believe that Hatton can take Zoo, he has all the tools and then we can have an end to all the bloody americans banging on about Hatton being a ***** and ducking everyone! I notice the Mitchell 'chat' has gone a bit quiet on the forum...maybe that's becuse he was a tad over hyped by you yankee boys!......bring it on

Let me ask all you Hatton fans a question......if roles were reversed say:

Hatton is current champ and considered best at 140.......would you go fight Miguel Cotto in Puerto Rico for the championship?


I didn't think so.

Let me ask all you Hatton fans a question......if roles were reversed say:

Hatton is current champ and considered best at 140.......would you go fight Miguel Cotto in Puerto Rico for the championship?


I didn't think so.

If the money was right, yes.

I don't think anyone was going nuts over Sharmba Mitchell. It wasn't his incredible skills that had many (myself included) favoring him over Tszyu. It was Tszyu's inactivity, injury-induced, that lead me to believe a slick lefty like Sharmba would be too difficult a challenge after such a long layoff.

As for Tszyu-Hatton....

Tszyu will dominate Hatton. Everything Hatton does, Tszyu does better.
Hatton's power is overrated. He overdoes it with his shots, frequently.....cranking them way up, yet not delivering one-shot power. He has exaggerrated moves, like the ones he does to set up body shots. Those moves look nice against mid-level guys, but will get him caught against the higher-level fighters.

Hatton will be exposed by Tszyu...as just a good, solid pug.....a fighter not cut out to be one of the world's best.

Let me ask all you Hatton fans a question......if roles were reversed say:

Hatton is current champ and considered best at 140.......would you go fight Miguel Cotto in Puerto Rico for the championship?


I didn't think so.
my point exactly.
thats a good point about the timing. last time i went to a hatton fight (magee) the cops were armed with what looked like uzi sub-machine guns, and this was before the pubs closed! i was glad when i got back on the m6, i don't mind saying.

just thinking a little left of field.... its not just that its the logistics of it too, the US tv companies to finance the fight would want it to take place around 2 am for PPV purposes, cant see 22 thousand folk piling into the centre of Manchester at gone 3 am with no transport and bevved up being too much of a problem for the local authorities can you.

Guess who would have to sanction the go ahead...yip the local authorities.

So thats out then, so all the money has to come form FW, which is why its not feasible to go above 2 mill and FW would be taking a loss on that as well I would imagine.

I agree that Warren probably would be taking a loss on those figures without some US TV backing and I agree that there would be logistical problems but a midnight fight would go out in the US at 5-7pm at the right time of year which isn't too bad.

I don't think anyone was going nuts over Sharmba Mitchell. It wasn't his incredible skills that had many (myself included) favoring him over Tszyu. It was Tszyu's inactivity, injury-induced, that lead me to believe a slick lefty like Sharmba would be too difficult a challenge after such a long layoff.

As for Tszyu-Hatton....

Tszyu will dominate Hatton. Everything Hatton does, Tszyu does better.
Hatton's power is overrated. He overdoes it with his shots, frequently.....cranking them way up, yet not delivering one-shot power. He has exaggerrated moves, like the ones he does to set up body shots. Those moves look nice against mid-level guys, but will get him caught against the higher-level fighters.

Hatton will be exposed by Tszyu...as just a good, solid pug.....a fighter not cut out to be one of the world's best.


I agree, but there is always the possibility that Hatton proves all of us non-believers wrong. If that happens, I will have no problem stepping forward and saying that I was wrong and I underestimated him.

Let me ask all you Hatton fans a question......if roles were reversed say:

Hatton is current champ and considered best at 140.......would you go fight Miguel Cotto in Puerto Rico for the championship?


I didn't think so.


I totally agree with you - hence as I said..... 'Hatton and Warren should be chasing Zoo round the world for a location even in a barn in Siberia if they have to.'

Tszyu will dominate Hatton. Everything Hatton does, Tszyu does better.
Hatton's power is overrated. He overdoes it with his shots, frequently.....cranking them way up, yet not delivering one-shot power. He has exaggerrated moves, like the ones he does to set up body shots. Those moves look nice against mid-level guys, but will get him caught against the higher-level fighters.

Hatton will be exposed by Tszyu...as just a good, solid pug.....a fighter not cut out to be one of the world's best.

Maybe Tszyu will get exposed by Hatton. Although he's beaten the best at his weight except Phillips, the quality on is resume is not that great. There's only one way to find out. As for his power, not many peolpe claim he does have 1 shot power but the cummulative effect of his shots is more than adequate. If his moves were that exagerated he wouldn't average nearly 50% shots landed in all his fights, the majority of them power shots.

I think Tszyu has a terrific resume !

I think Tszyu has a terrific resume !

Who in particular out of interest, as I don't claim to know half of the guys on there? :)

Jabbs...

I have to disagree with you there I really don't think Zoo does everything better than Hatton, Zoo could never keep up the temp and work rate that Hatton has....not in a million years! As for the arguement about power yes Zoo bangs harder than Hatton I give you that but Hatton's power is not overated and he has the ability to hurt Zoo, I question weather Zoo throws better to the body, I think Hatton is the most effective body puncher in the division although Gatti can bang to the body.

The one thing I do agree with you about is the movement that sets Hatton up to deliver to the body, it is a little exagerated and telegraphed - but I would imagine that can be worked on.

I'm not suggesting that Hatton is a dead cert to beat Zoo, I think it could be a great fight but I do give him chance.

Who in particular, out of interest? :)

Judah, Mitchell, Jake Rodriguez, Hurtado, M.A. Gonzalez, Tackie...
No true greats, but a steady stream of very solid guys.
Tszyu has been on top for a long time, is super-consistent.

He also beat tough guys early in his career. He was about the least protected "super" prospect I can remember.

Judah, Mitchell, Jake Rodriguez, Hurtado, M.A. Gonzalez, Tackie...
No true greats, but a steady stream of very solid guys.
Tszyu has been on top for a long time, is super-consistent.

He also beat tough guys early in his career. He was about the least protected "super" prospect I can remember.

I agree that he couldn't have done more but I think Hatton would give him a lot more problems than the guys on your list that I've seen fight, especially Tackie.

Here are a few other known fighters he has beaten:

Livingstone Bramble
Roger Mayweather
Rafael Ruelas
Miguel Angel Gonzales
Julio Cesar Chavez
JJ Leija

Here are a few other known fighters he has beaten:

Livingstone Bramble
Roger Mayweather
Rafael Ruelas
Miguel Angel Gonzales
Julio Cesar Chavez
JJ Leija

(I may be arguing against my own cause, but....)


They're all known fighters, but 5 out of 6 were kinda shot when tszyu took them on.
Listing those names actually detracts from Tszyu's record.

(I may be arguing against my own cause, but....)


They're all known fighters, but 5 out of 6 were kinda shot when tszyu took them on.
Listing those names actually detracts from Tszyu's record.


Fair statement, but he also fought them much earlier in his career and wasn't the fighter he is today.

Here are a few other known fighters he has beaten:

Livingstone Bramble
Roger Mayweather
Rafael Ruelas
Miguel Angel Gonzales
Julio Cesar Chavez
JJ Leija

He's definitely fought a lot of good fighters but only a couple of great ones IMO, and Chavez was well on the slide by then. I don't think his resume stands up against the likes of DLH's, Barrera's,etc to the point where you can say that he is unquestionably great. I'm also not convinced that he has had to answer the sort of questions that a fight with Hatton would ask of him.

Just another sickening case of Warren babying Hatton and trying to keep all his fights in his backyard where he is comfortable.

Let me say this once and for all..........the United States is where the major championship fights of our generation go down...PERIOD. The Klitchko's fight here, all the Mexican champs fight here, Tszyu fights here, Lennox fought here, all the African fighters fight here.

Warren, if you wanna have your little spoon feed fighter get his ass laid down by the best 140 pounder in the world.......then sign the contract and bring his lilly ass to Mandalay Bay!

You couldnt have said it better. Warren has just been feeding him all of Sharmba's leftovers. I mean c'mon he fought Mike Stewart for Gods Sake after Sharmba destroyed him. Sharmba was going to bend over backwards to fight Hatton and Hatton wanted no part of it.

You couldnt have said it better. Warren has just been feeding him all of Sharmba's leftovers. I mean c'mon he fought Mike Stewart for Gods Sake after Sharmba destroyed him. Sharmba was going to bend over backwards to fight Hatton and Hatton wanted no part of it.

Rubbish. And it was Hatton who destroyed Stewart, Mitchell couldn't get rid of him in 12.

There is alot of talk about records and who protected particually at 140, if you look at all the top contenders none of there records set the world on fire:

Tyzu has beaten: Mitchell (x2), JC Chavez, Judah, Tackie, Hurtardo, Rulez, Leija

Hatton has beaten: Tackie, Phillips, Stewart, Rios, Vilches, Magee.


Mayweather has beaten: Chop chop, N'dou at 140


Gatti has beaten: Dorrin, Ward (x2), Branco
but more ominously lost to: Ward, Robinson (x2), Manfreddy

Mitchell has beaten: Stewart, N'dou, Tackie, Phillips, Vilches, Flores, Green
but again more ominously lost to: Johnson, Johnston

Cotto has beaten: Pinto, N'dou

Harris has beaten: Urkal (x2),Hurtardo, Johnson
more worringly lost to: Olivera

Nobody is throwing up bones in the division, although you would say that Zoo has the most impressive, although if you count Mayweather at lower weights then....

Rubbish. And it was Hatton who destroyed Stewart, Mitchell couldn't get rid of him in 12.


Mitchell floored him 3 times, battered him, & pretty much shut him out.
He did this before Hatton took him out.

Edge goes to Mitchell.

Lovely, its just as well Hatton didn't fight Mitchell because he would have eaten him up. I was actually at the Mitchell Stewart undercard and then at the Hatton Stewart fight there was a world of difference trust me!

Stewart himself said the same after the fight.... and for the record Hatton certainly didn't run away from a fight with Mitchell.

Mitchell floored him 3 times, battered him, & pretty much shut him out.
He did this before Hatton took him out.

Edge goes to Mitchell.

I know it was one sided, but it didn't look like an ageing fight to me that would detract from Stewart's performance against Hatton, except maybe in terms of confidence. Hatton physically destroyed him, Mitchell gave him a lesson.

I know it was one sided, but it didn't look like an ageing fight to me that would detract from Stewart's performance against Hatton, except maybe in terms of confidence. Hatton physically destroyed him, Mitchell gave him a lesson.

Two different types of fighters.

[QUOTE=pinkpanther]There is alot of talk about records and who protected particually at 140, if you look at all the top contenders none of there records set the world on fire:

Mayweather has beaten: Chop chop, N'dou at 140
QUOTE]

floyd was still lightweight champ when he fought n'dou

Two different types of fighters.

That they are, but the fact that he fought Mitchell first shouldn't detract too much from Hatton's performance against him.

There's not that many guys on the scene worth fighting and someones got to fight them first.

[QUOTE=pinkpanther]There is alot of talk about records and who protected particually at 140, if you look at all the top contenders none of there records set the world on fire:

Mayweather has beaten: Chop chop, N'dou at 140
QUOTE]

floyd was still lightweight champ when he fought n'dou

Stand corrected, the point I'm trying to make is that N'dou has fought well at 140 in the past - worth consideration.

Lovely, its just as well Hatton didn't fight Mitchell because he would have eaten him up. I was actually at the Mitchell Stewart undercard and then at the Hatton Stewart fight there was a world of difference trust me!

Stewart himself said the same after the fight.... and for the record Hatton certainly didn't run away from a fight with Mitchell.


How the two beat on a human punching bag (Stewart) doesn't determine who would win a fight between the two.

You can't determine how Hatton would do against Sharmba, based on Sharmba's fight with Tszyu, either.
It's a style issue. Tszyu's quick, powerful right hand is the perfect weapon against a slick lefty like Mitchell. Hatton doesn't possess that same weapon....& also not the patience to wait for that type of opportunity.

Ricky would have problems, lots of them, with somebody like Mitchell.

Kostya Tszyu is not afraid of anyone south of middleweight. Frank Warren is a prick,

How the two beat on a human punching bag (Stewart) doesn't determine who would win a fight between the two.

You can't determine how Hatton would do against Sharmba, based on Sharmba's fight with Tszyu, either.
It's a style issue. Tszyu's quick, powerful right hand is the perfect weapon against a slick lefty like Mitchell. Hatton doesn't possess that same weapon....& also not the patience to wait for that type of opportunity.

Ricky would have problems, lots of them, with somebody like Mitchell.

Mitchell's not significantly cagier than Magee ,Phillips or Tackie IMO and Hatton dealt with them pretty easily.

Mitchell's not significantly cagier than Magee ,Phillips or Tackie IMO and Hatton dealt with them pretty easily.

He's certainly more difficult !

especially more than Tackie....who's a freakin' ZOMBIE.

Stand corrected, the point I'm trying to make is that N'dou has fought well at 140 in the past - worth consideration.

i hear ya :D

How the two beat on a human punching bag (Stewart) doesn't determine who would win a fight between the two.

You can't determine how Hatton would do against Sharmba, based on Sharmba's fight with Tszyu, either.
It's a style issue. Tszyu's quick, powerful right hand is the perfect weapon against a slick lefty like Mitchell. Hatton doesn't possess that same weapon....& also not the patience to wait for that type of opportunity.

Ricky would have problems, lots of them, with somebody like Mitchell.

I'm not suggesting that you can, I agree about boxers styles, however Hatton is a good enough boxer over the course of a fight to open Mitchell up, Hatton used to be labled a banger but he has shown that he can box.

He's certainly more difficult !

especially more than Tackie....who's a freakin' ZOMBIE.

Not to Kostya he wasn't!! :D

I guess my main point is that can anyone point to a fight on KT's record and say yeah, he's dealt with a guy who fights like Hatton and is as good as him at what he does? If not, how can anyone say with any certainty that he'll be able to deal with the body shots, power and tempo that Hatton brings? Likewise, there's nothing to prove that Hatton won't be able to take KT's power. He's not KO'd everyone that he's fought and if it goes to the cards Hatton's the only winner IMO due to the sheer volume of punches that he'd land. The guy very rarely loses a round.

What really interesting is that the only person to ever beat Zoo is Phillips - How did he do it ...pressure. There are few exponents of the pressure game in boxing at the moment better than Hatton. I believe that Hatton is a better fighter than Phillips ever was.

What really interesting is that the only person to ever beat Zoo is Phillips - How did he do it ...pressure. There are few exponents of the pressure game in boxing at the moment better than Hatton. I believe that Hatton is a better fighter than Phillips ever was.


Phillips didn't beat Tszyu with pressure. He beat him by refusing to back down, & by having the better right hand that night. Hatton will not beat Tszyu with his right hand.
I actually don't believe Hatton is as good as Phillips was.

Phillips didn't beat Tszyu with pressure. He beat him by refusing to back down, & by having the better right hand that night. Hatton will not beat Tszyu with his right hand.
I actually don't believe Hatton is as good as Phillips was.

The right hand that Hatton walked through several times? :)

Phillips didn't beat Tszyu with pressure. He beat him by refusing to back down, & by having the better right hand that night. Hatton will not beat Tszyu with his right hand.
I actually don't believe Hatton is as good as Phillips was.
I agree. Phillips was a sucked down Welter. Kostya is a ten times fighter he was before his loss. Hatton is waiting to be exposed.

Peace :cool:

The right hand that Hatton walked through several times? :)

Yes....& I give credit to Hatton for doing so.
But, did Vince have the gas left in his tank to sustain the bombs ?
Nope.
When he fought Tszyu...& he was fresher, & far hungrier.

Phillips didn't beat Tszyu with pressure. He beat him by refusing to back down, & by having the better right hand that night. Hatton will not beat Tszyu with his right hand.
I actually don't believe Hatton is as good as Phillips was.

You call it refusing to back down, I call it pressure, it will be interesting to gauge the opinion of someone else who watched the fight.

Frank..... Hatton certainly did walk through that right hand, althogh Phillips was past his best they say the last thing to go is power.

You call it refusing to back down, I call it pressure, it will be interesting to gauge the opinion of someone else who watched the fight.

Frank..... Hatton certainly did walk through that right hand, althogh Phillips was past his best they say the last thing to go is power.

He certainly caught him with some good ones and briefly stunned him a couple of times but most of them seemed to have no effect so I can't really see Phillips beating Hatton at any stage of his career. He didn't back down against Hatton either but was obviously not as sharp as he once was.

Stand corrected, the point I'm trying to make is that N'dou has fought well at 140 in the past - worth consideration.
wrong N'dou, lil' floyd beat phillip not lovemore

Jabs,

How would you see KT-Hatton panning out and how do you think KT would beat him?

To be fair, Warren is offering him well over the odds to fight in Manchester according to the reports. I don't know if either fighter would get as much if the fight was elsewhere.My question is why does everyone that fights hatton have to fight in Manchester? Is hatton scared of flying in an airplane or something. Hattton isn't a champ he is a contender. Hatton's people are always talking about money and how much of draw hatton is overthere. Why would any champ go into the ring in the MEN arena and fight hatton seeing how it is nothing for a fighter to get robbed of a decision these days. I hardly feel that Tszyu is ducking Hatton,I just thinkhe is smart enough not to risk hios title and future profits fighting somewhere where he may not get the decision no matter what.This is just my opinion but I think it is time for Hatton to get off his high horse and fight somebody, that isn't a has been or a never was....:mad:

My question is why does everyone that fights hatton have to fight in Manchester? Is hatton scared of flying in an airplane or something. Hattton isn't a champ he is a contender. Hatton's people are always talking about money and how much of draw hatton is overthere. Why would any champ go into the ring in the MEN arena and fight hatton seeing how it is nothing for a fighter to get robbed of a decision these days. I hardly feel that Tszyu is ducking Hatton,I just thinkhe is smart enough not to risk hios title and future profits fighting somewhere where he may not get the decision no matter what.This is just my opinion but I think it is time for Hatton to get off his high horse and fight somebody, that isn't a has been or a never was....:mad:

To be fair to Hatton, if you look at his record he has fought all over the UK and overseas a few times and his next fight's in London.

Would you level the same criticism at Eric Morales for never fighting more than 500 miles from TJ and not fighting in NY or Atlantic city or overseas?

It's about who you fight, not where you fight them and there's no real history of fighters being robbed by fighting in the UK so where have you got that from?

true, Hatton would fight anyway if he had to. Its just a shame that regardless of opinion Hatton has at least earned a big fight against a top guy but when its been on the table the other guy as denied hatton. Hatton dominated everyman he has faced, this includes ben tackie and Vince Philips, for **** sake, he deserves a title match, give it to him and stop vacating titles!

Everybody wants to see him in a fight with a top notch guy....his fans....his doubters...everyone. You are pointing the finger at the wrong people though. All the guys that you are wanting to see him fight have never ducked anyone in the past, so why are the ducking Hatton? Let me answer that for you....THEY AREN'T. It's ****ing Warren demanding too much that botchs all the possible matches.

Yes....& I give credit to Hatton for doing so.
But, did Vince have the gas left in his tank to sustain the bombs ?
Nope.
When he fought Tszyu...& he was fresher, & far hungrier.

Phillips had gas in the tank against Hatton, he was filled the the eye balls with steroids!!

I dont like to judge on common foes but Hattons win was a lot more impressive than Tszyu effort, even if you take age & ambition into consideration.

Phillips had gas in the tank against Hatton, he was filled the the eye balls with steroids!!

I dont like to judge on common foes but Hattons win was a lot more impressive than Tszyu effort, even if you take age & ambition into consideration.


No...once you take age & ambition into account, that's what makes Hatton's victory not so impressive.

No...once you take age & ambition into account, that's what makes Hatton's victory not so impressive.

Either way, props to Phillips - that boy can take some abuse, old man or not.

I always liked Phillips.
He'd have been even better, had he not gotten hooked on drugs, early in his career.
He came back from that nicely, however.

Everybody wants to see him in a fight with a top notch guy....his fans....his doubters...everyone. You are pointing the finger at the wrong people though. All the guys that you are wanting to see him fight have never ducked anyone in the past, so why are the ducking Hatton? Let me answer that for you....THEY AREN'T. It's ****ing Warren demanding too much that botchs all the possible matches.

I wouldnt blame Warren for all the problems, especially not the Pinto and Harris fights.

I think Hattons become an easy target for bull****ters, any fighter can demand far more than they are worth and if Warren doenst pay it, they will just blame him for breakdown.

IMO Tszyu wouldnt duck Hatton, i dont think Cotto would either, but i'm not sure about the rest.

No...once you take age & ambition into account, that's what makes Hatton's victory not so impressive.

If he had no ambition to win why would he take steroids for the fight? Why risk a ban if you came to lose anyway?

He wasnt exactly young when he beat Tszyu anyway, wasnt he 35/36 or something like that?

If he had no ambition to win why would he take steroids for the fight? Why risk a ban if you came to lose anyway?

He wasnt exactly young when he beat Tszyu anyway, wasnt he 35/36 or something like that?

I checked a while back - I think he was 34.

I checked a while back - I think he was 34.

Did you see the Tszyu stoppage? he was hurt pretty bad!!

Just as people thought Tsyzu is trying to back out of hatton fight. ********* reports that Tsyzu manager is dening that FranK Warren made an agreement ( which i think was a huge offer to the Tsyzu camp ) and sys they might vacate the title all together and fight some one else. I wish Tsyzu or anyone with a name fight Hatton, does he have to get to his knees and beg?


huh?


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Did you see the Tszyu stoppage? he was hurt pretty bad!!

Yeah, I've downloaded it. There's a bit of encouragement there for our boy! :D

Hattons workrate could take him to victory but i think he's wide open for a straight right and i don't think he takes zoos power, he is patient and sneaky with shots usually very well placed, magee had the power if only he wasn't so lazy!!!!

Yeah, I've downloaded it. There's a bit of encouragement there for our boy! :D

Yeah, Tszyu's chin is the key to the fight!

He hasnt got a glass jaw but its the weakest part of his game.

hatton style and speed will get him KO'ed fast...i agree with KT holding up..but if i were KT iw oudl take this fight since gatti and floyd have fights already coming up and just beat the hell out of hatton (to put him and us out of misery) then wait for winner of those fights..but i can see why he doesnt want peanuts :D

Hattons workrate could take him to victory but i think he's wide open for a straight right and i don't think he takes zoos power, he is patient and sneaky with shots usually very well placed, magee had the power if only he wasn't so lazy!!!!

Hatton done a lot to improve his defence but that low left is always going to be there. IMO Tszyu's best shots is the straight right :eek: !!

Tszyu's Accuracy & power is a big worry, Hatton's chin is pretty good but i think Tszyu could crack it!!

Yeah, Tszyu's chin is the key to the fight!

He hasnt got a glass jaw but its the weakest part of his game.

I hope the bookies give Hatton as much chance as most of the people on here :D

Hatton done a lot to improve his defence but that low left is always going to be there. IMO Tszyu's best shots is the straight right :eek: !!

Tszyu's Accuracy & power is a big worry, Hatton's chin is pretty good but i think Tszyu could crack it!!

Exactly - especially when he leans for the 'how the **** did you find that angle' body shot.

Good call on his chin, it is good - no more

I hope the bookies give Hatton as much chance as most of the people on here :D

I dont know who i think will win, i slighty favour Tszyu but as a styles match i like Hatton.

Its worth a bet if the odds are good.

Exactly - especially when he leans for the 'how the **** did you find that angle' body shot.

Good call on his chin, it is good - no more

Luckily for him, he's usually pretty close when he does it so hopefully KT won't have the room to put too much into it.

Exactly - especially when he leans for the 'how the **** did you find that angle' body shot.

Good call on his chin, it is good - no more

I like the way Hatton slips the right hand now but Tszyu so good he'll always find the target.

IMO the bodyshot lean is more of a problem against a southpaw but its another defect in Hatton defence that Tsyzu will aim for.

If this fight happened I would put my money on Hatton by TKO just because of the odds. I think Hatton certainly has glaring holes in his game but makes up for it with toughness and workrate. He also throws well to the body. I know Tszyu is the better fighter, but with all of the upsets that have happened in the past year, I wouldn't be surprised if Hatton pulled it out.

Another thing I notice when people explain how Tszyu will win his fights it's always the same **** over and over..."Eventually Tszyu will catch him with that straight right hand bomb! The straight right is going to catch him at some point!" Well my question is what the **** is he going to be doing leading up to that point where the opportunity presents itself. I think guys who throw well to the body could take a lot of steam out of that punch. It seems like a lot of Tszyu supporters make him out to be one dimiensional. I dunno, has anybody else noticed this?

If this fight happened I would put my money on Hatton by TKO just because of the odds. I think Hatton certainly has glaring holes in his game but makes up for it with toughness and workrate. He also throws well to the body. I know Tszyu is the better fighter, but with all of the upsets that have happened in the past year, I wouldn't be surprised if Hatton pulled it out.

Another thing I notice when people explain how Tszyu will win his fights it's always the same **** over and over..."Eventually Tszyu will catch him with that straight right hand bomb! The straight right is going to catch him at some point!" Well my question is what the **** is he going to be doing leading up to that point where the opportunity presents itself. I think guys who throw well to the body could take a lot of steam out of that punch. It seems like a lot of Tszyu supporters make him out to be one dimiensional. I dunno, has anybody else noticed this?

I've asked that question a couple times myself without reply. And what if Hatton takes the straight right and it doesn't take him out, what does he do to win the fight then?

Tsyzu has started to run from hatton Already!
:D


Kostya in general the big coward. He outside of any doubts avoided fight with such dangerous and and the experienced opponent, as Hatton. Also tried to organize meetings with such inutile fighters, as Gatti, May and Spinks.

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Kostya in general the big coward. He outside of any doubts avoided fight with such dangerous and and the experienced opponent, as Hatton. Also tried to organize meetings with such inutile fighters, as Gatti, May and Spinks.

My question is...huh?

What you think?:)

Tszyu can outbox Hatton, or outslug him.

He's the better boxer, the much bigger puncher, the more accurate fighter, the stronger & more experienced guy.

Whatever Hatton brings, Tszyu answers.
He's not gonna conk Hatton with one shot & end it. He'll beat this guy down systematically.

Hatton's body attack will not work with Tszyu, because Tszyu will control him.

:D


Kostya in general the big coward. He outside of any doubts avoided fight with such dangerous and and the experienced opponent, as Hatton. Also tried to organize meetings with such inutile fighters, as Gatti, May and Spinks.You really think that Hatton is more experienced and dangerous than Gatti, Mayweather and Spinks? Have you went crazy? If you like Hatton it's all good, but for you to say that you sound like you be watching boxing with your eyes closed....

I have been reading "Great"s posts long enough to see....he was being sarcastic.

You really think that Hatton is more experienced and dangerous than Gatti, Mayweather and Spinks? Have you went crazy? If you like Hatton it's all good, but for you to say that you sound like you be watching boxing with your eyes closed....
Another one. :)

Tszyu can outbox Hatton, or outslug him.

He's the better boxer, the much bigger puncher, the more accurate fighter, the stronger & more experienced guy.

Whatever Hatton brings, Tszyu answers.
He's not gonna conk Hatton with one shot & end it. He'll beat this guy down systematically.

Hatton's body attack will not work with Tszyu, because Tszyu will control him.

I'm struggling to see on KT's record, anything that would back-up your claim that he could outbox him Jabs. He's got a points decision over an old Roger Mayweather, Urkhal and Tackie but I don't think he has the work rate to take enough rounds off Hatton to win on points unless he gets a few kd's. The only person who he hasn't ko'd who's in the same class as Hatton, beat him.

There's more evidence that Tszyu is a better boxer than Hatton, than the other way around.

I'm struggling to see on KT's record, anything that would back-up your claim that he could outbox him Jabs. He's got a points decision over an old Roger Mayweather, Urkhal and Tackie but I don't think he has the work rate to take enough rounds off Hatton to win on points unless he gets a few kd's. The only person who he hasn't ko'd who's in the same class as Hatton, beat him.


I got something that should back up the comment that Tszyu is the better boxer of the two:

Tsyzu has been a world champion since before my balls were hairy, and Hatton hasn't.

Tszyu can outbox Hatton, or outslug him.

He's the better boxer, the much bigger puncher, the more accurate fighter, the stronger & more experienced guy.

Whatever Hatton brings, Tszyu answers.
He's not gonna conk Hatton with one shot & end it. He'll beat this guy down systematically.

Hatton's body attack will not work with Tszyu, because Tszyu will control him.


I agree with many things you say here...but theres no reason for me to believe Hatton will lay down to Tszyu's power.

When have we seen Tszyu in an all out, ugly brawl? Tszyu's thing is more effective aggressiveness and accuracy, not brawling and slugging. Hatton brings that element of an in-your-face attack, somewhat like a poor man's Pryor.

With Hattons consistent output, it's hard for me to see how Tszyu would take multiple rounds off of him. If anything, I think this fight would look like a miniature version of Jirov/Toney.

Tszyu is a better boxer than Hatton period.

I got something that should back up the comment that Tszyu is the better boxer of the two:

Tsyzu has been a world champion since before my balls were hairy, and Hatton hasn't.

lol.you win. :D

Seriously though, do you really think that KT lands more punches than Hatton? Hatton's pretty accurate and he doesn't stop throwing.

Tszyu is a better boxer than Hatton period.

He's a more skilled boxer, I'd agree. It doesn't mean he'll outbox him though.

You really think that Hatton is more experienced and dangerous than Gatti, Mayweather and Spinks? Have you went crazy? If you like Hatton it's all good, but for you to say that you sound like you be watching boxing with your eyes closed....

Crazy? :confused:

Experience = No, Dangerous = Yes.

Maywether wasnt even a puncher at Super Feather never mind Light Welter.

Spinks isnt a puncher full stop.

Gatti hasnt stopped a light welter(genuine) for nearly 3 years.

lol.you win. :D

Seriously though, do you really think that KT lands more punches than Hatton? Hatton's pretty accurate and he doesn't stop throwing.

Tszyu's accuracy is very good, i think it normally just over 50%,

Hattons is very impressive for a pressure fighter, its normally just under 50%

I assume that Hatton would land more shots in a fight because his volume would normally be higher.

lol.you win. :D

Seriously though, do you really think that KT lands more punches than Hatton? Hatton's pretty accurate and he doesn't stop throwing.

Frank....I gotta give you credit, you're adiment about your fighters and I like that. Frankly, I haven't seen much of Hatton. Elveiel posted website once where I was able to watch some highlights and yes the kid has some serious skills.

He has a chance versus anyone, no question about it......I just wouldn't bet on him because he hasn't fought that stiff of competetion by my standards and he's never to fight in an adverse situation. When everyone is hooting and hollering for you and you are in a comfortable setting that does wonders for a fighters psyche. He doesn't get the respect he may deserve by many American boxing fans because he doesn't attempt to earn it. In my opinion, he doesn't deserve to even get a shot at Tszyu's belt at this juncture. The only reason why I'm even talking about it is because it would be an action fight. Frankly, I think Hatton needs to fight guy like Harris, Corley, Gatti, etc...before getting in the ring with the best fighter in the division. His competition up to this point hasn't granted him a shot at the belt......especially not in his backyard...regardless of the money offered to Kostya.

Frank....I gotta give you credit, you're adiment about your fighters and I like that. Frankly, I haven't seen much of Hatton. Elveiel posted website once where I was able to watch some highlights and yes the kid has some serious skills.

He has a chance versus anyone, no question about it......I just wouldn't bet on him because he hasn't fought that stiff of competetion by my standards and he's never to fight in an adverse situation. When everyone is hooting and hollering for you and you are in a comfortable setting that does wonders for a fighters psyche. He doesn't get the respect he may deserve by many American boxing fans because he doesn't attempt to earn it. In my opinion, he doesn't deserve to even get a shot at Tszyu's belt at this juncture. The only reason why I'm even talking about it is because it would be an action fight. Frankly, I think Hatton needs to fight guy like Harris, Corley, Gatti, etc...before getting in the ring with the best fighter in the division. His competition up to this point has granted him a shot at the belt......especially not in his backyard...regardless of the money offered to Kostya.

I hear what you're saying and KT would obviously be favorite because not many people have been able to take the power. But for people to say Hatton has no way of winning this fight is bull**** IMO.

I'd have liked to have seen him in against those guys too before taking on KT but none of them seem keen on fighting each other, it's not just Hatton.

Frank....I gotta give you credit, you're adiment about your fighters and I like that. Frankly, I haven't seen much of Hatton. Elveiel posted website once where I was able to watch some highlights and yes the kid has some serious skills.

He has a chance versus anyone, no question about it......I just wouldn't bet on him because he hasn't fought that stiff of competetion by my standards and he's never to fight in an adverse situation. When everyone is hooting and hollering for you and you are in a comfortable setting that does wonders for a fighters psyche. He doesn't get the respect he may deserve by many American boxing fans because he doesn't attempt to earn it. In my opinion, he doesn't deserve to even get a shot at Tszyu's belt at this juncture. The only reason why I'm even talking about it is because it would be an action fight. Frankly, I think Hatton needs to fight guy like Harris, Corley, Gatti, etc...before getting in the ring with the best fighter in the division. His competition up to this point hasn't granted him a shot at the belt......especially not in his backyard...regardless of the money offered to Kostya.

I was seriously pissed that Hatton vs Harris fell through, it would have been a good fight! damn you Vivian Harris!! :p

Gatti turned down a big day against Hatton, but i think it was because of the HBO deal, etc. So another good fight missed!! Damn again!!

And I dont really want to see Hatton vs Chop Chop.

I'm just hoping the Tszyu fight comes off, i dont think Hatton done anything special to get a shot, but nobody else has done better, IMO Hattons proved he should be mixing it at a higher level, whether or not thats at Tszyu's level remains to be seen.

I was seriously pissed that Hatton vs Harris fell through, it would have been a good fight! damn you Vivian Harris!! :p

Gatti turned down a big day against Hatton, but i think it was because of the HBO deal, etc. So another good fight missed!! Damn again!!

And I dont really want to see Hatton vs Chop Chop.

I'm just hoping the Tszyu fight comes off, i dont think Hatton done anything special to get a shot, but nobody else has done better, IMO Hattons proved he should be mixing it at a higher level, whether or not thats at Tszyu's level remains to be seen.Chop Chop was a recent champ...I wouldn't mind see this fight and seeing how hatton fairs against someone that can get away from hatton's body assault...

Tszyu can outbox Hatton, or outslug him.

He's the better boxer, the much bigger puncher, the more accurate fighter, the stronger & more experienced guy.

Whatever Hatton brings, Tszyu answers.
He's not gonna conk Hatton with one shot & end it. He'll beat this guy down systematically.

Hatton's body attack will not work with Tszyu, because Tszyu will control him.

I can back up his words. Kostya has been the winner of european amateur tournament 4 times in a raw and amateur world championship 2 times in a row before converting to pro.
he also won "best amateur boxer" award 3 or 4 times during his amat. years. You have to have some pretty sweet skills to achieve so much at amat. level, not just big punch

Chop Chop was a recent champ...I wouldn't mind see this fight and seeing how hatton fairs against someone that can get away from hatton's body assault...

I'd watch it, i'd rather watch it than Olivera but its not on my wish list.

Chop Chop would be a good opponent but its a no win situation at the moment, if Hatton won who would care and if he lost he could kiss his career good bye.

I can back up his words. Kostya has been the winner of european amateur tournament 4 times in a raw and amateur world championship 2 times in a row before converting to pro.
he also won "best amateur boxer" award 3 or 4 times during his amat. years. You have to have some pretty sweet skills to achieve so much at amat. level, not just big punch

That's pretty impressive. I think he's got used to his power shots doing the job so he spends more time waiting for the chance to land those as opposed to building up points now, which is why I don't think he'd outbox Hatton.

Just as people thought Tsyzu is trying to back out of hatton fight. ********* reports that Tsyzu manager is dening that FranK Warren made an agreement ( which i think was a huge offer to the Tsyzu camp ) and sys they might vacate the title all together and fight some one else. I wish Tsyzu or anyone with a name fight Hatton, does he have to get to his knees and beg?
I this a joke? Cuz it's not funny. Come on, Frank Warren has promised us three fights that were never signed THIS YEAR ALONE! Tzyu has never DUCKED anyone. I love Hatton, I really do, but as far as he's come, and as good as his wins over Tackie and Phillips were, he has yet to beat a top five guy, and a title shot would not be warranted. The only reason it gets made is that negotiations are easy cuz they both fight on the same network. Apart from that, there's not advantage for Tzyu and I believe him when he says he never made a verbal agreement with Warren, whom I despise and distrust.

I read one of the Tzuyi's interviews and he made the point that he has only couple of good fights left so he wants big names like Spinks or PBF. And Hatton does not give enough money nor fame.Hey, we are talking about one of the best fighters ever in Jr. Welter. The guy never ducked anybody. And now when he is 35 he wants couple of really big fights te cement his place in Hall of Fame and make big bucks

Crazy? :confused:

Experience = No, Dangerous = Yes.

Maywether wasnt even a puncher at Super Feather never mind Light Welter.

Spinks isnt a puncher full stop.

Gatti hasnt stopped a light welter(genuine) for nearly 3 years.You make a very good point, but I think the only one he beats out of Tszyu, Mayweather, Spinks and Gatti is Gatti...This is only my opinion but I think that once hatton steps up and fights some of the top fighters out there he will no longer be undefeated... You are from the UK right? Why haven't we seen a fight between "The Hitman" and "The Hitter"?

I'll be sticking a couple full Hatton fights in the download section shortly if anyone's interested.

i think Tszyu has got too much for hatton

I know everyone talks about Tszyu's 'straight right' and its probably overtalked - what's undertalked is his body shots. Often after settling in a little, Tszyu will start working someone's body, and with the power he has, it doesnt take long before he chops them down.

I think body shots in general arent used enough in Boxing, I love watching body KO's too - they must be in some sweat ass pain! Hehe.. anyways I'd probably put a bet against Tszyu just because of the crazy odds.. of course I'd be cheering for him all the way tho!

Just as people thought Tsyzu is trying to back out of hatton fight. ********* reports that Tsyzu manager is dening that FranK Warren made an agreement ( which i think was a huge offer to the Tsyzu camp ) and sys they might vacate the title all together and fight some one else. I wish Tsyzu or anyone with a name fight Hatton, does he have to get to his knees and beg?

Let me let you in on a little secret okay? Kostya Tszyu wouldn't duck a cruz missile if it were heading straight for his little pig-tailed head okay?

Hatton needs to fight someone of note before he gets my respect...hell, make him fight Mitchell or even better, Lovemore N'dou to see how he goes. Tszyu only wants BIG fights so he is entitled to go for the bigger fish in the division, simple as that. If and when they do meet, Hatton will get KTFO!!

Just another sickening case of Warren babying Hatton and trying to keep all his fights in his backyard where he is comfortable.

Let me say this once and for all..........the United States is where the major championship fights of our generation go down...PERIOD. The Klitchko's fight here, all the Mexican champs fight here, Tszyu fights here, Lennox fought here, all the African fighters fight here.

Warren, if you wanna have your little spoon feed fighter get his ass laid down by the best 140 pounder in the world.......then sign the contract and bring his lilly ass to Mandalay Bay!

Word Brother!!

I say Mayweather and DLH next. After that Kostya can retire (assuming he can get past DLH). Forget Hatton - he was, is, and will be a big hype. He is another Mesi, that's all.

I'm struggling to see on KT's record, anything that would back-up your claim that he could outbox him Jabs. He's got a points decision over an old Roger Mayweather, Urkhal and Tackie but I don't think he has the work rate to take enough rounds off Hatton to win on points unless he gets a few kd's. The only person who he hasn't ko'd who's in the same class as Hatton, beat him.


Then you gotta take a look at some of his amateur fights...he was a defensive master and a lot more mobile than he is today. He had in and out movement, lateral movement and was a great counterpuncher. He can box, that's for sure.

Tszyu can outbox Hatton, or outslug him.

He's the better boxer, the much bigger puncher, the more accurate fighter, the stronger & more experienced guy.

Whatever Hatton brings, Tszyu answers.
He's not gonna conk Hatton with one shot & end it. He'll beat this guy down systematically.

Hatton's body attack will not work with Tszyu, because Tszyu will control him.

I don't have the stats on Zoo but Hatton is pretty accurate running at about 50% career, I agree Zoo is the bigger puncher but Hatto ain't short oin power himself, he won't let Zoo bully him like Zoo bullies most fighters and Hatton like aI said before Hatton certainly has a higher work rate than Zoo, he has a big shout if the fight comes off.

Tszyu should body punch more. He stopped Hurtado with body shots, and the punches he threw at Mitchell during the 2nd knockdown in the 3rd recently were awesome.

Juan LaPorte said that the hardest punch he ever felt was a Tszyu bodypunch.

By the way, Tszyu outboxed Forrest 32-9 in the world amateur champs in Sydney in 1991. I have it on video, and it is amazing to see a guy outbox somebody half a foot taller & with a massive reach advantage.

pinkpanther, mayweather fought n'dou at 135lb. the corley fight was his 140lb debut.

The reason ppl rate Kostya so highly is because of this amateur and pro record combined.
Ppl have got to realise that previous to the fight between Kostya and Phillips, he was in court battling his promoter for a fee of 7 million dollars (he lost). His mine wasnt on the job and he didnt train properly.

Hatton punches are accurate against bums, but it will not be accurate against good fighters.
Tyszu has proven that he can be accurate against good fighters.
If Tyszu fought Hatton 2morow, Hatton would get KTFO.

pinkpanther, mayweather fought n'dou at 135lb. the corley fight was his 140lb debut.


yeah somebody else pointed that out, my oversight.

Warren NEVER made an offer to Tszyu.

That is one tactic to killing a deal and saving face at the same time. Say you made an offer when you didn't. Causing the other side to tell you to **** off.

Warren NEVER made an offer to Tszyu.

That is one tactic to killing a deal and saving face at the same time. Say you made an offer when you didn't. Causing the other side to tell you to **** off.


correct young sir.
and he has done it b4. :mad:

The reason ppl rate Kostya so highly is because of this amateur and pro record combined.
Ppl have got to realise that previous to the fight between Kostya and Phillips, he was in court battling his promoter for a fee of 7 million dollars (he lost). His mine wasnt on the job and he didnt train properly.

Hatton punches are accurate against bums, but it will not be accurate against good fighters.
Tyszu has proven that he can be accurate against good fighters.
If Tyszu fought Hatton 2morow, Hatton would get KTFO.

yeh ur damn right....hatton has got no chance, i dnt like the guy for staying in manchester fighting bums- for the last few years...

Hatton needs to get his ass out of Manchester and go and fight in America. He wants the champion to fight in Manchester he's having a laugh is he.

its very stupid and lacking in knowledge to say he "has no chance!" there are matches where poeple have no chance randall bailey againsty cotto for example, bit this in not one worthy of saying such imo.

you are taling bout unbeaten porspcet against ageing pro, check out history theres been plenty of fighter who have grown old overnight. Roy jones......for one..... so to suggest an unbeaten 25 year old whom has fought contenders in the lower half of the top ten has no chance agianst va 35 yr old is pure folly.

its 70-30 zoo for me.

You make a very good point, but I think the only one he beats out of Tszyu, Mayweather, Spinks and Gatti is Gatti...This is only my opinion but I think that once hatton steps up and fights some of the top fighters out there he will no longer be undefeated... You are from the UK right? Why haven't we seen a fight between "The Hitman" and "The Hitter"?

I really wanted this fight to happen at one stage, i always knew Witter was beating up very poor fighters, but he looked good doing it! He was definitly in line for a showdown until the Jurgen Haeck fight, IMO Witter step in front 15,000+ Hatton fans and got hurt by a terrible fighter!! Haeck was a guy with no skills, chin or defence but he was able to push Witter back with ease, the only reason Witter won that fight is because Haeck's nerves got the better of him.

I spoke to a lot of Hatton fans after the fight and nobody wanted the Witter fight anymore, the feeling was that Witter was a fake and Hatton would KO him in a round!! I think Hatton knew the fans lost interest in the fight.

Witter's beaten some better opponents recently and i get the feeling there's a demand again. I'd like watch it but i feel its Hattons time to test himself against a proven world class fighter, which Witter isnt.

You are from the UK right? Why haven't we seen a fight between "The Hitman" and "The Hitter"?[/QUOTE]

Because Warren is scared to let Ricky in with him cos he's a genuine threat, been brit champ, commonwealth and european champ, stopped the last 15 far too risky since only the brits rate him, the last time you lot saw him he was escaping Judah, not a very impressive true but at 9 days notice i was surprised he didn't get ko'd, oh and he's vastly improved since then.
IMO it's a good match but it'll never happen unless witter gets a world title, even though the titles he's won are much better than the wbu bull**** one of hattons

Because Warren is scared to let Ricky in with him cos he's a genuine threat, been brit champ, commonwealth and european champ, stopped the last 15 far too risky since only the brits rate him, the last time you lot saw him he was escaping Judah, not a very impressive true but at 9 days notice i was surprised he didn't get ko'd, oh and he's vastly improved since then.
IMO it's a good match but it'll never happen unless witter gets a world title, even though the titles he's won are much better than the wbu bull**** one of hattons

:D

theironone, i think junior Witter has stoled you PC!!

Witter power is a risk, but i havent seen him in with a guy who can take a punch yet!!

I'd like to see the Hatton vs Witter fight at some stage but Witter title are only worth as much as the opponent he faced to get them!! Witter the type of guy who looks amazing on a punch bag, infact some of his opponents have been punch bags!!

If Witter fights a guy like Rios, Stewart or Vilches and does a decent enough job, i would agree that he deserves the Hatton fight.

I'll be sticking a couple full Hatton fights in the download section shortly if anyone's interested.

Please do, i have most on tape but its useful to have them on my PC.

This ones quick lee cos i'm about to watch the sky countdown, i rate both fighters, i think witter would look better than hatton against those level fighters both are unproven at true world level, i think both are top ten too, c u in abit :)

Hatton needs to get his ass out of Manchester and go and fight in America. He wants the champion to fight in Manchester he's having a laugh is he.

Are the ring in the US better than the UK?? Why the **** would anyone travel for less money??

Hattons only human, he wants to earn as much money as he can for his family!! Manchester earns Hatton more money than anywhere else in the world so i dont see the problem! :confused:

I would understand your point if Hatton was getting home town decisions but he's obviously not.

This ones quick lee cos i'm about to watch the sky countdown, i rate both fighters, i think witter would look better than hatton against those level fighters both are unproven at true world level, i think both are top ten too, c u in abit :)

Ha Ha!! running scared of my written assault!! :D ;)

The reason i named them fighter is because it could showcase Witter's skills against a recent Hatton foe!

Rios is a decent fighter(better than Witters recent opponents), so i'm unsure if Witter could do much better than Hatton.

I doubt Witter would be anyway near as good as Hatton against Stewart.

Vilches would be the perfect fight for Witter, Hatton fought Vilches on a off night so its possible Witter could do a lot better and prove he's good enough for the Hatton fight.

At the moment i think Witters wasted his obvious talent by *****ing out of difficult fights.

I think the only fight he's *****ed out of is pinto, we're going to have to agree to disagree, i think witter can perform at the same level if not higher than hatton, time will tell anyway

I think the only fight he's *****ed out of is pinto, we're going to have to agree to disagree, i think witter can perform at the same level if not higher than hatton, time will tell anyway

Yes, agree to disagree sounds good.

Please do, i have most on tape but its useful to have them on my PC.

Stewart's on there now and Thaxton is uploading as we speak (as long as it doesn't crash again :mad: )

Stewart's on there now and Thaxton is uploading as we speak (as long as it doesn't crash again :mad: )

Thanks, i have the Stewart fight on my PC already but i havent seen the Thaxton fight for a while. :cool:

Love how people are on about Hatton should have to go to Vegas to fight Tsyzu. Fights should always be made where the most money can be made and it's pretty certain this fight would sell out any football stadium in Britain.

Thanks, i have the Stewart fight on my PC already but i havent seen the Thaxton fight for a while. :cool:

I watched it a couple weeks ago and it's as good as I remembered it. It's on there now.

Love how people are on about Hatton should have to go to Vegas to fight Tsyzu. Fights should always be made where the most money can be made and it's pretty certain this fight would sell out any football stadium in Britain.

Any football stadium in Britain hey? And how many is that exactly?

What about holding the fight in Australia? We have bigger stadiums here, not that 10,000 seat business, and we can fill them too. I think whoever you may think would win this fight, the drawcard is to watch Tszyu, not Hatton. He derserves the home fight, he derserves more money and if Hatton isn't prepared to leave his snug hometown then who the f*ck cares seriously? Tzsyu can just fight someone else.

Kosta scared of Hatton?! You must be on something. Hatton is a joke. Just like James Toney said in an interview. English fighters build a big record by fighting a bunch of tomatoes cans. Then when they fight a true champion they get the s**t beaten outta them. I truly feel this way. Hatton needs to step it up.

Kosta scared of Hatton?! You must be on something. Hatton is a joke. Just like James Toney said in an interview. English fighters build a big record by fighting a bunch of tomatoes cans. Then when they fight a true champion they get the s**t beaten outta them. I truly feel this way. Hatton needs to step it up.

I agree. Tszyu doesn't need to run from Hatton. I'm tired of hearing about Hatton & his so called "big fights for the future". The guy just keeps making money in his backyard fighting the leftovers of Sharmba Mitchell & other top Jr. Welters. If he wants big fights & respect, he needs to cut the umbilical cord from Frank Warren & demand some big fights instead of being babied. He's made milions already so there's no excuse. Take a pay-cut do whatever he has to do to make a big fight.

Kosta scared of Hatton?! You must be on something. Hatton is a joke. Just like James Toney said in an interview. English fighters build a big record by fighting a bunch of tomatoes cans. Then when they fight a true champion they get the s**t beaten outta them. I truly feel this way. Hatton needs to step it up.

Well thought out, Hatton is joke :rolleyes:

Your talking about a professional boxer, someone who puts his whole life into pleasing people like you!! Yes some pro's are idiots or cheats and deserve to be called a joke *cough* Sven Ottke *cough* but the decent guys deserve a little more respect!!

If you listen to James Toney and take him seriously, then you need a new role model!!

I listen to Toney and LMFAO because his bull**** is so funny, you only have to look at Toney last opponent to realise he's padding his record, and when it comes to fighting a real fighter(Roy Jones) he gets the **** beaten out of him!! :D

Any football stadium in Britain hey? And how many is that exactly?

What about holding the fight in Australia? We have bigger stadiums here, not that 10,000 seat business, and we can fill them too. I think whoever you may think would win this fight, the drawcard is to watch Tszyu, not Hatton. He derserves the home fight, he derserves more money and if Hatton isn't prepared to leave his snug hometown then who the f*ck cares seriously? Tzsyu can just fight someone else.

The football grounds in the UK hold about 70,000 all seater, Hatton vs Tszyu would never sell that many ticket anyway.

If Tszyu can sell out 20,000 - 30,000 seats in Oz the fight should be there because he's the champ, if not Hatton could easily sell that in the UK, they were talking 40,000 sell out for Junior Witter so a great champ like Tszyu should be able to do it(even though he's unknown to non boxing fans in the UK)

I think its been said that Hatton will travel anywhere to fight Tszyu, Hatton would obvious like the fight in front of his fans but its not a big deal.

Tszyu the man at 140 but Hattons a draw fighter too, Tszyu's the champ, the favourite but Hatton brings a lot of revenue to the fight.

DLH is becoming a mere joke. One or two more fights and his previous fans will all turn against him. He's becoming a journeyman!

Kostya would take that fight with alacrity, due to the payday opportunity and proceed to knock DLH out cold!!

Any football stadium in Britain hey? And how many is that exactly?

What about holding the fight in Australia? We have bigger stadiums here, not that 10,000 seat business, and we can fill them too. I think whoever you may think would win this fight, the drawcard is to watch Tszyu, not Hatton. He derserves the home fight, he derserves more money and if Hatton isn't prepared to leave his snug hometown then who the f*ck cares seriously? Tzsyu can just fight someone else.

Seriously, are you on drugs? Arenas in Aussie??? Don't you ever watch UK soccer? The average stadium is bigger than most. Unless you are proposing that the fight be held in Melbourne where the footy games are played. But.......would the fight draw a filled stadium? It would, in the UK!

Ah the perenial 140 who's who! Lets be honest it makes sence for Zoo to take on Spinks at 147 becuase he can handle him physically and has the power to hurt him, If I was Zoo I'd much rather take on Spinks than Hatton, Its a step up in weight meaning if he wins he gets the plaudids that go with that, and he becomes a two weight world champion.

If he fights Hatton then its just another defence, if he loses, he loses the belts and does not vacate as he would if he moved up. Hatton is strong and similar in many ways to Zoo, Hatton won't let Zoo bully him and has the power to hurt Zoo. It makes perfect sence for him to move up to Spinks.

From Hatton's perspective, he needs Zoo, really needs him. Hatton and Warren sould chase Zoo round the world for a location, even if its a barn in Siberia. However I can't think that Zoo would get more than 2 million, if that is the figure that Warren is banding about, for facing Spinks - he might match it but I doubt he'll beat it.

I truely believe that Hatton can take Zoo, he has all the tools and then we can have an end to all the bloody americans banging on about Hatton being a ***** and ducking everyone! I notice the Mitchell 'chat' has gone a bit quiet on the forum...maybe that's becuse he was a tad over hyped by you yankee boys!......bring it on

For a non Yankee boy, I wish you'd use a spellchecker!

Tszyu Leija had 25,000 in Melbourne. I was one!!