View Full Version : Does Cain Velasquez deserve a title shot?


Gorilla Dogs
06-24-2010, 07:54 PM
8-0 with 7 KO's while beating Nog by KTFO


I wanted to see Carwin Vs. Cain cuz you know either way it wouldnt last long :boxing:

Jack3d
06-24-2010, 07:57 PM
Well from what I remember he's getting the winner of Lesnar/Carwin, and he does deserve it, IMO.

He'll beat either guy.

Dorian
06-24-2010, 07:59 PM
JDS vs Cain should have been on the undercard of Carwin-Lesnar, winner fights winner..

ƒallenloki
06-24-2010, 08:03 PM
Well, what else are you going to do with that HW division?

There are only 4 guys in it.

Personally, I'd like to see JDS v. Cain, winner fights Lesnar v. Carwin winner.

Carwin sparks out Cain.

Cain is good, but he gets hit too often by basic punches. As usual, it's the typical inability to roll punches,parry and counter in MMA. Cain would get tapped once and die. Don't forget he got dropped like 3 times against Kongo, and Kongo can't stop a takedown. Carwin's wrestling > Cain's. Checkmate.

Nick Fury
06-24-2010, 08:34 PM
Well, what else are you going to do with that HW division?

There are only 4 guys in it.

Personally, I'd like to see JDS v. Cain, winner fights Lesnar v. Carwin winner.

Carwin sparks out Cain.

Cain is good, but he gets hit too often by basic punches. As usual, it's the typical inability to roll punches,parry and counter in MMA. Cain would get tapped once and die. Don't forget he got dropped like 3 times against Kongo, and Kongo can't stop a takedown. Carwin's wrestling > Cain's. Checkmate.

I think Cain has better wrestling.

cusd'amatokid
06-24-2010, 09:44 PM
cain has been doing good but he's not beating lesnar or carwin. i think he deserves the title shot but wont be able to win it. really this new generation of giant explosive heavyweight seems unbeatable. i thought mir was so much more skilled and experienced than carwin, plus he bulked up and added strength to his arsenal. i thought he was gonna drag carwin into deep water and give him a schooling. didnt happen, now other than carwin and lesnar fighting eachother who else poses a threat. not many in the ufc. maybe overeem but again not in ufc.

ƒallenloki
06-25-2010, 12:49 AM
I think Cain has better wrestling.

You are wrong.

murmagic
06-25-2010, 05:27 AM
carwin or lesnar would be cain, cain is so overrated its unreal. JDS would beat him. and i would have loved to see JDS vs Cain

TPhenom01
06-26-2010, 02:19 AM
Well from what I remember he's getting the winner of Lesnar/Carwin, and he does deserve it, IMO.

He'll beat either guy.

I agree.

And I think they're saving the Dos Santos vs. Velasquez matchup for when one of them is the UFC HW Champion. It wouldn't be wise to waste that matchup right now and have a promising young title challenger lose momentum.

When Dos Santos beats Nelson, I assume the UFC will put him on the shelf the way they are doing with Velasquez and have him face the winner of the next HW title fight.

Jack3d
06-26-2010, 01:41 PM
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Cain is good, but he gets hit too often by basic punches. As usual, it's the typical inability to roll punches,parry and counter in MMA. Cain would get tapped once and die. Don't forget he got dropped like 3 times against Kongo, and Kongo can't stop a takedown. Carwin's wrestling > Cain's. Checkmate.

What's so bad about getting dropped by Kongo? Kongo has some of the best and most powerful striking at HW in the UFC.


Besides, Cain has made monumental improvements since that fight.

Cain beats Carwin easily with Footwork, speed and more technical striking.

And Carwin is not a better wrestler than Cain.

Cain is a 2 Time Div 1 All American.

TPhenom01
06-26-2010, 02:57 PM
Velasquez is undeniably a superior wrestler in comparison to Carwin.

Carwin's wrestling credentials:
2-time Division II national runner-up (1996-1997)
NCAA Division II National Champion (1998)

Velasquez's wrestling credentials
2-time Division 1 All-American
Finished 5th at 2005 NCAA Division I Championships
2005 Pac-10 Conference Wrestler of the Year

A great, borderline elite Division I wrestler is superior to an elite Division II wrestler.

Also, Shane Carwin was put on his back by Gabriel Gonzaga with a single leg takedown from the clinch.

Nick Fury
06-26-2010, 03:30 PM
You are wrong.

Just because Shane is a stronger wrestler doesn't make him a better one. Cain has better technique, he sets it up better, and he transitions better. Shane's a beassssst, but I do believe Cain will beat Shane when they fight for the HW title.

Nick Fury
06-26-2010, 03:31 PM
Velasquez is undeniably a superior wrestler in comparison to Carwin.

Carwin's wrestling credentials:
2-time Division II national runner-up (1996-1997)
NCAA Division II National Champion (1998)

Velasquez's wrestling credentials
2-time Division 1 All-American
Finished 5th at 2005 NCAA Division I Championships
2005 Pac-10 Conference Wrestler of the Year

A great, borderline elite Division I wrestler is superior to an elite Division II wrestler.

Also, Shane Carwin was put on his back by Gabriel Gonzaga with a single leg takedown from the clinch.

Preach my brother, PREACH!

nodogoshi
06-26-2010, 11:29 PM
Velasquez is undeniably a superior wrestler in comparison to Carwin.

Carwin's wrestling credentials:
2-time Division II national runner-up (1996-1997)
NCAA Division II National Champion (1998)

Velasquez's wrestling credentials
2-time Division 1 All-American
Finished 5th at 2005 NCAA Division I Championships
2005 Pac-10 Conference Wrestler of the Year

A great, borderline elite Division I wrestler is superior to an elite Division II wrestler.

On paper, sure. Fights aren't fought on paper though. And if you don't think Carwin could've been a successful Division 1'er you're a fool. Credentials are nice, but they are not the be all end all.

Also, Shane Carwin was put on his back by Gabriel Gonzaga with a single leg takedown from the clinch.

Carwin was buzzed from a punch at the time.

phallus
06-27-2010, 09:40 PM
carwin or lesnar would be cain, cain is so overrated its unreal. JDS would beat him. and i would have loved to see JDS vs Cain

Velasquez is undeniably a superior wrestler in comparison to Carwin.

Carwin's wrestling credentials:
2-time Division II national runner-up (1996-1997)
NCAA Division II National Champion (1998)

Velasquez's wrestling credentials
2-time Division 1 All-American
Finished 5th at 2005 NCAA Division I Championships
2005 Pac-10 Conference Wrestler of the Year

A great, borderline elite Division I wrestler is superior to an elite Division II wrestler.

Also, Shane Carwin was put on his back by Gabriel Gonzaga with a single leg takedown from the clinch.

Just because Shane is a stronger wrestler doesn't make him a better one. Cain has better technique, he sets it up better, and he transitions better. Shane's a beassssst, but I do believe Cain will beat Shane when they fight for the HW title.

On paper, sure. Fights aren't fought on paper though. And if you don't think Carwin could've been a successful Division 1'er you're a fool. Credentials are nice, but they are not the be all end all.



Carwin was buzzed from a punch at the time.

cain is overrated, kongo isn't that great and big nog is shot. those are his best wins, i'd like to see him fight mir, nelson or dos santos, someone who is't past prime or with a padded record ( kongo).
cain may be a better wrestler, but this isn't a wrestling match. carwin has the intangibles that make a better fighter, big shane was put on his back by manbearpig, but knocked him the f*ck out 40 seconds later, even though on paper manbearpig's ( and mir's ) skills were better. when they fight, after big shane becomes HW champ, carwin will scramble cain's brains quick.

$Natedatpkid$
06-27-2010, 09:44 PM
of course. he knocked Big Nog the **** out. That's a huge accomplishment even at this point in Big Nog's career.

Kongo & Rothwell are also seasoned veterans and solid wins since their both tough as hell.